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Seanad Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 24 Feb 1954

Vol. 43 No. 5

Rent Restrictions (Amendment) Bill, 1954—Second Stage.

Question proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

The main object of this Bill will, I think, be non-controversial. It is to cure, with retrospective effect, a flaw in the Rent Restrictions Act, 1946. It was the intention of the Legislature in 1946 that a district justice sitting privately should have power to make a provisional order fixing the rents of small premises, whether or not they were let with some little furniture or with services, such as a supply of electricity. The High Court recently quashed two provisional orders, however, on the ground that a district justice has no power to apportion the rent of partly furnished or partly serviced premises as between the premises themselves and the furniture or the service and that only a court may make such an apportionment. The result is that applications from tenants of small premises which are partly furnished or partly serviced cannot be dealt with by a justice sitting privately.

Section 2 remedies this defect retrospectively, but not so as to validate a provisional order which has been quashed before this Bill is enacted. The two tenants whose provisional orders have been quashed now find themselves involved in arrears of rent because they became liable to pay the difference between the rents fixed by the orders and the original contract rents. Sections 3 and 4 of the Bill are intended to minimise this unfortunate consequence. Section 3 will enable a district justice to make a fresh and valid provisional order, the result of which will be to prevent any further accumulation of arrears. As regards the arrears which have accumulated, it is provided in Section 4 that the court will have discretion to stay the execution of a decree for the amount of the arrears, or of a decree for possession of the premises so long as the arrears are paid by instalments.

The provisions of this Bill, particularly in Sections 3 and 4, seem to be reasonable enough. I remember the 1946 Act going through and it was intended, to make for what is called cheaper law, that a district justice should have certain powers. Apparently we were not successful in framing the Bill in the end, so as to give that power effectively. The Minister has now avoided the objectionable idea of nullifying a decision of the courts already given.

That is right.

He is not nullifying that decision, but providing that, in future, a district justice shall have the power that originally he was intended to have. While two tenants are left in rather a difficult position, as he says, Sections 3 and 4 endeavour to minimise that. From that point of view, the Bill is unobjectionable as it stands and I am in favour of it.

If I am not mistaken, even if the Minister did want to deal with these provisional orders, he would not be able to do so under the Constitution. As well as I remember, retrospective legislation is prohibited under the Constitution, so that we accept it both from him and the Constitution as a good clause.

I am afraid the Constitution is not as simple and as easily readable as the Senator makes out.

Could the Minister tell us if he is perfectly clear that he is not dealing with the cases with which the orders of certiorari dealt? As I understood the Minister he suggested that the Bill would not deal with those cases in respect of which the certiorari orders had been made but it would appear from the Bill that, notwithstanding the orders of certiorari, the cases are being dealt with by the Bill. I should like the Minister to clear the position for us. I understand the Bill to deal with the two cases in which the High Court made orders. If that is the case, as I think it is, I am afraid I do not share the views expressed by Senator Hayes. I think we should not attempt in any way to have legislation that would operate retrospectively. It is entirely wrong and both Houses have from time to time emphasised that we should not endeavour to do anything by means of retrospective legislation to affect parties whose rights have been changed, particularly by court orders. I strongly disapprove of any effort to do that and I should like the Minister to clear the position for us.

My recollection of the Act which this Bill proposes to amend was that it was the clear intention, and accepted by everyone in both Dáil Éireann and Seanad Éireann, that so-and-so should be the law. It transpired—it is immaterial what the reasons were—that that intention was not upheld by the courts in their legal technical interpretation of the law as it was. Like Senator O'Reilly, I am averse from retrospective legislation in so far as such retrospective legislation will deprive a citizen of rights which the Oireachtas gives him; but in a case like this I have no inhibitions at all because the clear intention was that the law should be so-and-so. Technical legal interpretation of the Act by the courts arrived at a different conclusion and, therefore, I think we are entitled, in justice and in fair play to the Houses which are superior to the courts of the land—this is a point I want to emphasise—to take the action which the Bill proposes.

In matters of this kind, matters of intention, the Houses of the Oireachtas are far superior to the courts of the land. I repeat that the intention of the Oireachtas was that the law should be so-and-so. Legal interpretation later on by the courts decided that the law was not as we intended it to be. What is proposed to be done in this Bill is to make clear, as far as it can be made clear, that our intentions will be effective and good law.

What actually happended was that the order made by the district justice was quashed by the court. All we are doing here is to have it go back to the district justice to make a valid order. I do not think we are interfering with the court decision there. I agree that in the Bill as originally introduced in the Dáil that could be said.

As far as the Constitution is concerned—I am not a lawyer—I have been advised by the Attorney-General and our legal advisers that it was quite consistent with the Constitution. I inquired again and they assured me that that was so. I agreed to an amendment in the other House. Undoubtedly we are taking something off a person which he had been given by the court. The tenants knew that other tenants had got these orders made and had got the benefit of a reduction in their rent. They had incurred, through no fault of their own, arrears of rent that no working people could face. On the Report Stage in the Dáil I accepted an amendment safeguarding for the landlords the rights they had got in this particular case. We cannot be said to be interfering.

We have laid it down in Section 4 that they can pay by instalments and that if they are not able to pay by instalments they cannot be evicted without another order from the court. I think that was about the fairest way we could have got out of it having regard to all the circumstances of the case.

Question put and agreed to.

I suggest next Wednesday, Sir.

Is there no hope of getting it now? We thought the matter would be more urgent than it turned out to be. We were afraid that there might be other court proceedings. We thought we would have got all stages in both Houses but we found there were snags in it in the other House. The Bill was delayed a week longer than I thought it would. But the snags having been cleared up in the Dáil, I thought the Seanad might agree to give all stages.

We can take the Committee Stage now.

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