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Seanad Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 30 Nov 1955

Vol. 45 No. 9

Fatal Injuries Bill, 1954—Second Stage.

Question proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

The object of this Bill, which had its origin with the late Mr. Justice Casey when he was Attorney-General, is to consolidate and amend the Fatal Accidents Acts of 1846, 1864 and 1908. When the original Act of 1846 was framed, the spread of the railways had caused a substantial increase in the number of deaths from accidents. Prior to 1846, the law was that a personal action died with the person. To this there was an exception in this country. Under the Grand Jury Act of 1836, the personal representative of a peace officer, a magistrate or an ordinary person killed as a result of activity in the maintenance of the peace could recover compensation in the old county court, the amount awarded being raised from local rates.

Since the first Fatal Accidents Act — (known as Lord Campbell's Act) — was passed in 1846, the members of the family of a deceased person may, through the personal representative or by themselves, bring an action against any person who by his wrongful act has caused the death of the deceased, irrespective of the circumstances of the death. It is proposed in the Bill that that position continue to be the law, subject to important changes for the benefit of the family. I shall refer to these changes in discussing the various sections.

The new legislation is, under Section 1, designed to come into operation on 1st January next, and it will not apply to any death before that date.

In Section 2 of the Bill are defined the dependents and they are to be the members of the family who suffer loss. We are adding in the brothers and sisters of the deceased and the half-brothers and half-sisters. Adopted persons, illegitimate persons, and persons to whom the deceased stood in the position of a parent, or who stood in the position of a parent to the deceased, are also covered.

The question of the limit of dependency for the purposes of the Bill received long and careful consideration. We examined the law in Britain, in the Six Counties and in the various provinces of Canada. We took account of the provisions in the Workmen's Compensation Act, 1934, the Air Act of 1936, the Garda Compensation Act of 1941, and we went back to the old Grand Jury Act of 1836. There are provisions in all these Acts dealing with fatal cases. The provision about persons in the position of parents and vice versa was introduced on Committee Stage in the Dáil. We do not think we should go any further. It was argued in the Dáil that we have gone too far. Uncles and aunts are not covered where there is no question of being in the position of a parent.

In coming to the conclusion we have come to, we were influenced by, among others, two considerations. First of all, if the range of dependents were extended, insurance companies might be tempted to raise their premiums. Secondly, juries could easily tend to award the same amount in damages, irrespective of the number of dependents, with the result that the sums for the major sufferers, say, the wife and children, would be smaller. Though the limitation to close relatives may not be in theory ideal in all cases, it is, we maintain, sound practically, as otherwise it would be difficult to decide where and how to draw the line. There must be a definite and clear limitation.

Section 3 re-enacts the existing law. A tortfeasor who causes death is made liable in damages. Only one action may be brought, and the period of limitation for bringing it is being extended from one year to three years.

Section 4 provides for damages. The section caused us much thought. We tried to get a wider definition of damages. We were well aware that many people consider that awards in fatal cases are too small. We eventually abandoned the proposed definition, however, because we were of opinion that it might only lead to a lot of litigation to settle finally what it actually meant, and because we were satisfied that in the eventual result it would place the dependents in no better position. Sub-section (1) of the section, accordingly, follows the wording of the 1846 Act.

Sub-section (2), which is new to the law, allows damages to be awarded in respect of expenses actually incurred by the dependents or by the deceased by reason of the tort. This provision was inserted to cover funeral and medical expenses, which cannot at the moment be recovered. Sentimental damages may not be awarded at present and we do not propose they should. Nothing is given for bereavement, or for pain and suffering, or for loss of the society of the deceased. It is, to our way of thinking, impractical to introduce the type of speculation which would be inherent in trying to assess in money the sentimental loss of a relative, and we are convinced that it should not be attempted.

Even so, we do realise that there is a strong case to be made for the view that awards in fatal cases should be higher. This can only be brought about if, in time, the courts are persuaded to be more liberal. The persuasion is for the members of the legal profession, and I am afraid there is nothing the Legislature can do to help. It should be remembered that, though the amount awarded for a very serious personal injury is often much greater than what would be awarded for a death, the question of the pain and suffering a seriously injured person has to undergo for the rest of his life must, in a non-fatal case, be taken into account, in addition to the loss of earnings. In a death case, there is only the question of loss of earnings: the sentimental loss is not capable of estimation. This is not to say, however, that there is little to be said for the argument that the difference in amounts is in many cases far too great, but I cannot see how that can be remedied, except, as I have pointed out, by the arguments of legal practitioners before the courts.

Section 5 is concerned with the sums which are not to be taken into account in assessing damages. Under paragraph (a), insurance payable on death is to be excluded; this has been the law since 1908. Paragraph (b) goes much further than the existing law by providing that pensions, gratuities and other like benefits are not to be taken into account. This is a very important and beneficial provision. At present, in a death case, where the widow and children become entitled to a gratuity or pension, other than a social welfare benefit, the payments to which they are entitled must be taken into account in assessing damages. This is not alone the law here bat it is the law in England and the Six Counties, and it is the law in Canada.

Our proposal is that no amounts, except, of course, workmen's compensation, payable under statute or otherwise on the death are to be taken into account in assessing damages. This means that the members of the family of a deceased person will be entitled to the pension or gratuity payable as a result of the death and also full damages, calculated as if no pension or gratuity were payable. Statutory pensions and gratuities are payable under the various enactments covering the superannuation of members of the Civil Service, the local government service, the Gardaí and the Defence Forces. Payments are in addition made on death under the Ministers and Parliamentary Offices Acts. Companies like the E.S.B. have pension schemes for the widows and children of their officers, and payments under these schemes will be excluded in calculating damages, as also will payments made by an ordinary public or private company.

An example will illustrate the effect of the proposed provision. If a serving civil servant dies, his wife is entitled to a gratuity equal to a year's salary. Let us suppose that the gratuity comes to £500 and that the widow has a good cause of action by reason of the fact that her husband's death was caused by the negligence of another person while driving a motor-car.

In assessing damages under the existing legislation, the court must take into account the fact that the widow is entitled to £500 gratuity from the Minister for Finance, and the damages will be reduced accordingly. Where, if there had been no question of a gratuity, she would have been awarded £2,000, she will, under the existing law, only get £1,500. Under the Bill, however, she will be entitled to the full award of £2,000 from the court, and she will get the £500 gratuity as well from the Minister for Finance. Accordingly, she will be £500 better off.

I should mention that there is another side to a case like this. It is possible to prevent a widow reaping the benefit of the proposal in the Bill by a provision in the pension legislation or scheme that the gratuity is to be subject to deduction on account of compensation received in respect of death. There were provisions to this effect in the Garda Síochána Pensions Orders but they were repealed in the 1955 Order.

Section 6 of the Bill provides for the survival of causes of action against the estate of a deceased wrongdoer. The section follows the principle to be found in Section 171 of the Road Traffic Act, 1933, which covers proceedings against the estate of a deceased person who has been liable for the negligent driving or management of a mechnically propelled vehicle.

Section 7 deals with death caused by the negligent driving of a State-owned vehicle and also follows a provision in the 1933 Road Traffic Act. Here I should like to refer to a question which may be raised by Senators and which was in fact raised by an amendment ruled out of order in the Dáil. This amendment was put down by Deputy Vivion de Valera and was ruled out of order as placing a prospective charge on public funds. The Deputy sought to make the State liable in so far as the Bill was concerned, first in respect of the torts of its servants; secondly, in respect of the breach of any duty which a person owes to his servants; and, thirdly, in respect of the breach of any duty attaching at common law to the ownership, occupation, possession or control of property. What the amendment sought to do was to provide that the legal relationship of master and servant shall apply to a State servant in the same way as it applies to an ordinary servant, that is, of course, for the purpose of making the State liable for the acts of its servants committed in the course of their employment.

We did consider a provision on the lines suggested in the amendment, but we decided to leave the matter over for consideration in connection with a State Proceedings Bill. Such a Bill would deal with the liability of the State for the acts of its servants, the position of independent contractors, the procedure to be followed in suing the State and other related matters. The whole question is a complicated one, and it is not as easy to provide the right solution as might at first glance appear.

The State already accepts liability in the case of State-owned vehicles, and the relationship of master and servant applies under the Workmen's Compensation Acts in the case of a State workman. The amendment put down in the Dáil followed the wording of Section 2 of the British Crown Proceedings Act, 1947, which was applied to the Six Counties in 1949. This section is, however, to be read in conjunction with the whole British Act.

For instance, the defence forces in Britain are excluded from that Act in cases where a member thereof is injured or killed in circumstances which entitle him or his dependents to a pension from the State. I should like to remind Senators that, where persons are injured or killed by the actions of State servants in this country, ex-gratia payments are made by the Minister for Finance in practically all cases. We realise that this type of payment is not a proper substitute for a legal right to damages. We think, however, that the whole subject of the State's liability is one for separate legislation, and we are examining the position. I have dealt at some length with this subject in order to show that we were quite alive to what was involved.

Section 8 adapts any references in existing legislation to the Fatal Accidents Acts.

Section 9 is the repeals section and Section 10 is the short title section.

I trust I have given the House a sufficient outline of the objects of the Bill. We feel that this is a piece of law reform which is necessary and desirable.

Ní bheadh aon chur i gcoinne an Bhille seo agamsa, mar tuigim chomh maith leis an Aire go bhfuil gá le hathrú ar an dlí sa tír seo mar is léir ó chuid de na rudaí atá luaite aige. Tuigim, leis, go bhfuil cuid de na hathraithe atá i gceist curtha i bhfeidhm i dtíortha eile agus ní haon díobháil dúinn féachaint ó am go ham cad iad na hathraithe a déantar i dtíortha eile chun a fháil amach an ceart dúinn na rudaí céana a dhéanamh anseo.

Is mór an trua nach bhfuil níos mo ama againn chun an cheist mhór seo do scrúdú i gceart, mar ceist mhór is ea í, iarracht a dhéanamh ar na forálacha a cheapann an tAire, a cheapann an Rialtas agus a cheapaimid go léir a bheith riachtanach sa tsaol nua atá anois ann. Ní haon díobháil iad a chur i bhfeidhm.

While, generally speaking, I welcome the provisions of this Bill, I feel, at the same time, it is my duty to point out that it would be far more satisfactory from the point of view of giving constructive consideration to it and to its provisions, if we had more time to consider it. Unfortunately, we had no expectation, when we last met here, that this measure was to come before us on this occasion. That is to be regretted, because we are here bringing about rather important changes in the law relating to fatal accidents and because of their very nature it would be advisable and desirable that the members of Seanad Éireann should have plenty of time to consider the significance of the proposed alterations, in the light of the modern world that we live in.

After all, this is essentially a revising Chamber and, that being so, I will say this and I will say no more about it. It is always desirable, in the case of important Bills, that there should be, between the passing of those Bills through Dáil Éierann and their consideration by Seanad Éireann, plenty of time to examine them carefully. I am aware, of course, that it is possible to get time for the consideration of the Committee Stage. That is as it should be but, at the same time, we must remember that the principles of the Bill, by which I mean the things that go to the very root of it, are the things that we consider on the occasion of the Second Reading. While it is something to have plenty of time to consider the Committee Stage, it is also sometimes very necessary to have plenty of time to consider the Second Stage.

However, I am prepared to give this measure support for the simple reason that it proposes to bring about changes in the law relating to fatal injuries — changes which, I understand, have been a long time under consideration. I think everybody must admit that the law which could have been described as suitable or appropriate for the circumstances of 100 years ago, 50 years, or even 20 years ago, may not be appropriate in the circumstances of the present age, especially when we consider the big increase in the number of mechanically-propelled vehicles on the roads of the country.

While certain changes are being contemplated in this measure to which I am prepared, as one Senator, to give support, changes which, I think, are desirable and which the Minister has said are desirable and necessary in this modern age, there is still one anomaly in the law relating to fatal accidents that remains and will remain, as far as I can see, even after the passage of this measure. For instance, a great many people up and down the country, and even a good many members of the legal profession, take the view that it is strange concerning the assessment of damages or compensation for accidents on the roads, the assessment is nearly always greater in the case of a person who has been injured than it is in the case of a person who has been killed outright. I will go further and say that it could even happen, under the present law, that a person who has sustained an injury, even only to his hand, will himself get damages greater, and much greater in amount than the personal representatives of a person who has been killed on the road.

I for one think that is an anomaly, and while, perhaps, it may not be possible to have that anomaly removed in the present Bill, at the same time it should get consideration at some future date. I know very well that the courts have a certain method of assessing compensation in these cases. They take into account the trade or profession the person has been engaged in and his usefulness to his family, and not merely his usefulness to them at the time of the accident, but his usefulness to that family if he had continued in that employment. In other words, as well as having a real assessment of the usefulness of the person in question to his family, there must be also a notional assessment in his case of his services to his family and dependents had he lived.

But while I have said that the anomaly still remains that a person who sustained an injury can get greater compensation in a court than the personal representatives of a person killed outright, I know, of course, the grounds on which that differentiation is made. It is held that a person who has been badly maimed or injured will have to suffer pain and loss for the rest of his life, and also that he will be a burden on his own people while he lives. These things must no doubt be taken into consideration, but at the same time, apart entirely from any legal interpretation that may be put on these matters, the ordinary member of society would look upon the death of a person as being a far greater loss and tragedy than if that person were maimed, and not killed.

These are just a few general remarks I have to make on this amending Bill. The Minister described it in the other House as a codification measure. No doubt, it is a codification measure to a certain extent. As Senators are aware, and as has been mentioned in the other House, the law relating to fatal accidents is now over 100 years old. The law to which I refer is, of course, Lord Campbell's Act. It was only under this Act that any compensation at all in ordinary cases could have been got in the case of fatal accidents. As people will see, even the provisions of that Act appear to have been rather grudgingly and sparingly given, because there were certain conditions attached to that Act which were not attached to other legislation of a similar kind.

For instance, one of these was — and still is, until we pass this measure before us — that the claim for compensation should be made within 12 months of the fatal accident. I see that that is now being amended and that the time limit is being extended to three years. That is, no doubt, an improvement and a liberalisation of the law, but, at the same time, I would hold the same view as certain speakers in the other House, that even that limitation is hardly justifiable, and that the time limit that applies to ordinary tort law should also apply to this. I do not know whether the Minister gave any justification in the other House for the differentiation. As I say, I have not had time to go into this matter properly, but I would like to hear the Minister on that point — why he considers the differentiation necessary, between this and other cases under the law of tort.

Section 2 deals with dependents who will be entitled to get compensation under this measure when it becomes law. I would say that the Minister is doing a good job when he applies the provision to a wider circle of relations than has hitherto been the case. There are now being included brothers and sisters, half-brothers and half-sisters, adopted persons, illegitimate persons and persons to whom the deceased stood in loco parentis. That is a step in the right direction, but the only trouble and the only argument that could be advanced against it is that the class of relations who up to now would have been solely entitled under Lord Campbell's Act to compensation will be in danger of getting less now from a jury in the case of a fatal accident. However, we cannot have it both ways.

I was wondering if the Minister and his Department have considered the question of dependents in another light, because it could happen that there would be no brothers or sisters or half-brothers or half-sisters or any very near relations at all and there would still be a deserving dependent, such as a nephew or niece, or uncle or aunt, who should be taken into account but who would not come into all the categories mentioned here. I wonder whether it would not be possible to have that contingency provided for, because, if I am not mistaken, such a contingency is provided for in other branches of statute law.

I would say that in the case of I.R.A. dependents' pensions, the overriding consideration is dependency, whatever the degree of relationship between the person who died and the person who makes the claim. Where dependency can be proved by the person who makes the claim, in respect of a relative, he has a good case. I am putting that point to the Minister for his consideration.

I know that it is very difficult to deal with these points all together, because, as we have said in connection with another Bill which we were discussing here quite recently, when you go about doing good in one direction, there is sometimes a danger that you may do damage in another. That is one of the things we have to take into account.

There is another point arising out of Section 5 which did not give me any anxiety until I heard the Minister's own statement, or at least until I read it, because I got a copy of the Minister's statement before he came into the House by way of courtesy, and I am thankful to him for that. I see that, in connection with Section 5, he said:—

"Our proposal is that no amounts except, of course, workmen's compensation payable under statute or otherwise on the death are to be taken into account in assessing damages. This means that the members of the family of a deceased person will be entitled to the pension or gratuity payable as a result of the death and also full damages calculated as if no pension or gratuity were payable. Statutory pensions and gratuities are payable under the various enactments covering the superannuation of members of the Civil Service, the local government service, the Gardaí and the Defence Forces."

I do not know why the Minister has mentioned these bodies specifically, because I have always a feeling that when certain categories are mentioned like that specifically, there is a danger later on that other categories will be omitted. I take, for instance, people who are in receipt of military service pensions, I.R.A. pensions. Are they to be included in this provision?

They are included.

That is what I want to find out from the Minister.

They are included in the Bill.

Very well, then. If it is the case in connection with these persons, that the pensions or gratuities they would be in receipt of will be excluded, from calculation in assessment of damages, I have nothing that will cause me anxiety. My reason for putting the question was that they are not mentioned at all here, but the other classes of persons are. Perhaps it would be as well, in order to clear the air and to remove any possible doubt, that the Minister would consider that between this and the Committee Stage, since he did make specific reference to certain other bodies.

The Minister has mentioned State liability, in connection with which an amendment was tabled in the other House. I am aware that any attempt to deal with that comprehensively under this measure would be very difficult. I understand from the Minister that it is proposed to deal with that question later on, that is, the liability of the State for its servants in the matter of tort, in the matter of fatal injuries.

This is not an unimportant measure. I consider it an important one and therefore it would be right that we should have time to give its provisions the utmost consideration. What we do here now will regulate the position of claims for compensation for fatal injuries, for many years to come.

Sin a bhfuil le rá agam an babhta so, agus tá súil agam go bhfaghfaimid an fhaid aimsire sin atá ag teastáil uainn chun forálacha an Bhille seo do scrúdú go mion.

There are some points I should like to mention. One point that has occurred to me is that, as the Minister is aware, under the Air Navigation Act the Warsaw Convention applies to fatal accidents in the air. This Bill appears to apply to all fatal accidents and, if so, it would appear to repeal the provisions of our Air Navigation Act which limited the amount of damages payable under a fatal air accident under the international convention. I do not know if that is intended and I doubt very much if it is, so I thought I should draw the Minister's attention to it. It appears to me that this Bill as framed would conflict with the law as stated, and that might raise the question of international air conventions.

Another point that occurs to me is that there may be possible danger in Section 4, which says that the damages shall be such amount as the jury or the judge, as the case may be, may think proportionate. I am not criticising that in the slightest, but as everybody knows, it is possible at the present time, on an appeal ultimately to the Supreme Court, that the court might hold that the damages given were either excessive or were inadequate. It seems to me that that right of appeal, so far as it does lie in certain cases, is a right which, in the interests of both sides, should be retained, if possible. I am by no means certain that Section 4 may not knock it out.

I should like the Minister to consider also the period in which the action may be taken. There are two cases — one is where the person who did the injury is still living and the other is where he is dead. In the first case, probably the period of three years may be fair enough. It is, of course, a considerable extension of one year. Under the Air Navigation Act it is two years. The extension to three is rather long, but at the same time it may be fair. In the case of an action against the representatives of a deceased person, however, it seems to me that to let the possibility of an action hang on for three years may mean in certain cases that the estate of the deceased cannot be wound up. I know that in most cases nowadays we are very accustomed to think of deaths arising from motor accidents, in which case it is always an insurance policy, but it does not necessarily follow that that would invariably be the case. While I fully agree that it is just for the remedy to continue against the estate of the deceased person, I think the period of three years is too long and may mean working an injustice the other way round. That particular provision should be thought over. The Bill is a very welcome one, if for nothing else than that it codifies and clears up a number of points in various laws.

In consequence of modern traffic conditions and the craze for speed, the number of dependents who would be entitled to damages grows greater each year. Therefore, this Bill is more than justified. The Bill provides a number of desirable amendments to the existing law, arising from the fatal injury to a breadwinner in a family, and therefore it is a further step in the march of progress towards better social justice for dependents.

In connection with the definition of dependents, members of a family, as set out in Section 2, I feel that injustices may still exist. A spinster aunt or a bachelor uncle who may be incapable of work may be seriously injured in consequence of the fatal injury to a nephew who may be trying to carry on on an uneconomic holding in one of the western counties. It is a usual thing for an elderly spinster to try to carry on the home in which she was reared and the holding is so uneconomic that unless some relative like a nephew comes along to help her — and to obtain work for himself on the roads or on other public schemes during the winter months — it is impossible for her to carry on. The only alternative would be for her to sell the small holding and go into the county home. I suggest that the Minister should reconsider that point. He has already suggested that if there are too many dependents it may deprive the widow and children of a fair share of the total award. That is not always the case — there are often no next-of-kin of the first degree, as in the instance I have given. I think the Minister should include a provision whereby, if there is no immediate relative and still there is a dependent such as an aunt or uncle, they would be included.

The Minister has already referred to the fact that under the Workmen's Compensation Acts the total award is £1,800. If he had any fear as to insurance companies increasing their premiums substantially in consequence of including further dependents than those already in the Bill, then he could limit the total award as in the case I have mentioned.

Furthermore, it is not a very desirable thing to allow a jury to assess and apportion the damages between the various dependents. As a result of the numbers of dependents now included, the number of people may be very considerable. If this question of damages is left entirely to a jury, the standard which they apply may vary very much, according to the type of composition of the particular jury, whether for instance they are motorists or a rural jury whose standard of living would be lower and who would assess the damages at a lower amount. Under this Bill, it would be normal to have a jury, unless all the parties consent that the action should be heard by a judge. But, as there would be so many parties, in consequence of the number of dependents, it might be difficult to get the consent of all the parties. The ordinary practice in the Circuit Court is to serve a notice and that notice sets out whether or not a jury is required. In other words, if the plaintiff in his notice of trial does not request a jury, a jury is not brought in.

It is suggested that there would be few actions in the Circuit Court, because of the limited jurisdiction of that court. The jurisdiction in that court is, as far as I know, £600. But, on account of the number included as dependents under this Bill, it is possible that the claim — because of the fact that a grandmother or some elderly person may be involved — may be small. For that reason, I can visualise that quite a number of actions will be brought in the Circuit Court, rather than in the High Court. I understand that, under a case which has been mentioned in the other House — Gallagher v. the E.S.B. — it will be necessary to have an actuary to give evidence on behalf of the plaintiff.

That is another reason why I think the apportionment of the damages between the next-of-kin and the dependents should be done by the judge rather than by the jury. He is more of an expert. He is much better qualified to apportion the damages. If necessary, he can call in an actuary or an expert to assist him in assessing the damages between those who are entitled to them. That cannot very well be done by a jury. For instance, there is no jury in the case of workmen's compensation. The application is heard by the judge and the judge awards the damages amongst the dependents. I might mention that, under that Act, there is apparently no restriction on dependents, such as there is in this Bill.

The Minister stated that juries could easily tend to award the same amount in damages, irrespective of the number of dependents. Surely that is another reason why a judge would be better qualified and more suitable in the assessing of these damages? As a number of speakers have already complained, juries, in fatal accident cases, do not appear to award the same high damages as they do in non-fatal cases. Possibly judges may take a more realistic outlook on such a matter. It is suggested that the courts should be more liberal and that that is a matter for the lawyers.

I should also like the Minister to consider whether people under disability — for instance, people who are temporarily insane — are properly protected as people who might benefit as dependents. Only one action can be brought for all the dependents and a person who may be in a mental home at the time of the death may only be there for a short period and would possibly be a dependent and his rights would require to be properly safeguarded. In sub-section (4) of Section 4 it is set out: "The amount recovered in the action shall, after having deducted the costs not recovered from the defendant...." I wonder if it is necessary to insert the words "and expenses". Possibly the word "costs" would be sufficient to cover expenses, but, in case it would not, perhaps the Minister would consider that point. Apart from this, this Bill is a very desirable one and certainly it is very proper that the time limit should be extended to three years.

I am aware of a case of a fatal accident in my county where correspondence had gone on for a very long time between the solicitor and the insurance company. Eventually, a year elapsed and, after that time, the insurance company refused to accept any responsibility. The solicitor in the case had to pay a very substantial amount out of his own pocket, because he felt that he was somewhat negligent in not bringing the proceedings in time. Senator Cox has pointed out that a person may live for over a year after the injury and the dependents cannot then bring the action. It is very proper, therefore, that the limit should be extended to the time mentioned in the Bill.

I deeply appreciate and I welcome the constructive criticism of the members of this House. I should like to take this opportunity to express my thanks to the legal profession on both sides of the House and in both Houses for the assistance they have given me in trying to produce a Bill not from any Party point of view, but one which, in the opinion of both Houses, will do good to the general public.

I can assure Senator Kissane that we have given very careful consideration to this particular Bill. He raised the question of the three years and personal injuries. Under the Statute of Limitations Bill, which has been issued and circulated to Deputies and Senators, the three years' limitation period will apply to personal injuries actions.

Senator Kissane also raised the position of pensions payable to Old I.R.A. men. As far as I know, widows or dependents of Old I.R.A. pensioners are not entitled to pensions on the death of the pensioner, but, if they were, these pensions payable to the widow or dependents could not be taken into account under the Bill. It is the pensions payable to the widow and dependents on the death that are not to be taken into account — not pensions payable to a person irrespective of whether there is a death or not.

I tried to meet the wishes of all sides of the Dáil by including a larger number of dependents: one speaker said we had put in too many. I think the Senator's point is to some extent met by the provision that any persons considered persons to whom the de-deceased stood in the position of a parent and vice versa are also covered. We put in these words so that a person who received any benefits from the person killed, such as was described by Senator Kissane and Senator Walsh would, if there were the relationship of in loco parentis, be en-entitled to benefit.

Senator Cox raised a point in regard to damages under Section 4. We are following exactly the words in the 1846 Act. On the question of the three-year period, we think a year is too short. We are extending the period to three years in all personal injuries cases, and I think that is the fairest period. One year was too short, especially where a death took place and the dependent might be sick or ill or otherwise unable to pursue his action within 12 months of the death.

Senator Walsh pointed out that there may be genuine dependents who are not covered by the Bill. I know it can happen that a dependent in some way may not come in under the Bill. These things will happen. The officials of the Department and myself endeavoured to do everything we possibly could with the suggestions received from all sides of the House so as to try to cover as many as ought to be covered and to do Justice to everybody concerned in the action.

Senator Walsh also spoke about juries. I am informed that at present you must have a jury, except by consent, when you must have the judge. That is the law since 1936. If the law is not acted on in the Circuit Court it does not make it any less the law: parties have the privilege of a jury. Under the Bill, the juries will divide up the amount, whereas the judge now divides it. I do not want to misrepresent the Senator in any way. I suggest, however, you cannot have a judge alone in these particular cases, except where there is agreement.

This Bill is not controversial. It is not based on Party lines, as I said. I appreciate the constructive criticism and assistance I have received in both Houses and from all sides. I shall consider all the points raised between now and Committee Stage and, if it is necessary, I shall bring in amendments. When we pass this Bill, we will have an Act which will be the result of the united wisdom of all sections of the Legislature and which will do the best for the greatest number.

May I ask a question which arises out of a statement made by the Minister just now in relation to my reference to I.R.A. pensions? While the exemption in the case of the assessment of damages or compensation would apply to a man who is in receipt of an I.R.A. pension, did I understand the Minister to say that it would not apply to his wife, if she were in receipt of an I.R.A. pension?

If a pension were payable to the widow, it would not be taken into account.

That is all right. I wanted to make that point clear.

If the Senator thinks he can make it plainer than that, we will be only too willing to do so on the Committee Stage.

Question put and agreed to.
Committee Stage ordered for Wednesday, 14th December.
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