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Seanad Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 16 Jul 1968

Vol. 65 No. 14

Electricity (Supply) (Amendment) Bill, 1968: Second Stage.

Question proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

The purpose of the Bill is to authorise the increase to £50 million of the existing statutory limit of £42 million on the expenditure which the Electricity Supply Board may incur on the electrification of rural areas.

Expenditure on the rural electrification scheme at 31st March, 1968 was nearly £41½ million and the Board will soon reach the existing statutory limit of £42 million. The Board is at present doing a systematic post-development scheme in the course of which all unconnected householders will have a further opportunity of taking supply. The increase of the limit to £50 million should enable the Board to complete the scheme. This will take another five years as the Board will have to go back over the areas already covered by the post-development scheme so that all householders will have an opportunity of taking supply at the improved terms recently announced. I shall refer to these improved terms later.

The number of rural houses connected at 31st March, 1968 was 334,000, which is about 87 per cent of the estimated total of 384,000. By the time the scheme is completed, electricity at a reasonable cost will be available to 97½ per cent of rural homes and, on the ESB estimates, approximately 92 per cent of the existing total of rural houses will have accepted the terms offered. I may mention that, of the number not expected to take supply, nearly half could have it at the normal standard charges, that is to say, without any special service charges, and a great many others at very little more than the standard charges.

The Government have been concerned to arrange that, within practical limits, electricity is available to the maximum number at reasonable charges. The ESB system of charges consists of a fixed charge, to meet the costs which arise from connecting the consumer to the supply, and a unit charge, which is the charge for the actual current used. The charge per unit is the same for all rural consumers. In some cases, because of the high cost of connection, the normal fixed charge, related to the size of the premises, is not sufficient to meet the annual fixed costs to the ESB and the ESB find it necessary to impose special service charges. The Government considered the question of these charges.

It has been argued that special service charges should be abolished and that everyone in the country should be entitled to electricity at the same cost —on the analogy that letters are delivered at a flat rate to all rural as well as urban areas. However, this is not a valid comparison. The delivery of letters to isolated areas does not involve heavy capital outlay and substantial annual maintenance costs, irrespective of the use made of the service. A flat rate is therefore possible. In the case of the telephone service, however, which is comparable to electricity, in that it involves heavy capital costs, the customer in an isolated position has to pay an additional charge because of the extra costs involved in providing the service and then pays the standard rental and rate for calls made.

Similarly an electricity consumer in an isolated position, who receives current at the standard rate, must expect to contribute to the extra high cost of connecting him to the electricity distribution system.

If there were no special service charges the ESB would have to incur heavy capital expenditure in bringing supply to very isolated houses—in some cases the capital cost could be £1,000—and then receive an utterly inadequate revenue from the connection. In these areas the very substantial subsidy from taxpayers and consumers which would be incurred would be out of all proportion to the benefits received. Indeed the ESB have found that many of the isolated houses seem likely to be abandoned when the present occupancy ceases. The heavy capital expenditure involved in providing supply would in such cases be wasted. I may say that in one form or another special service charges are to be found in electricity tariffs the world over.

Nevertheless, the Government are very conscious of the fact that the special service charges payable by some rural consumers were very high. It was estimated that at 31st March, 1967 there were about 22,500 unconnected houses the special service charges for which would add 50 per cent or more to their two-monthly fixed charges. I do not know what the upper limit might be, but over the 22,500 houses the average two-monthly fixed charge would amount to about five times the normal charge based on the size of the premises. The Government, therefore, have decided to reduce the level of special service charges. Where special service charges, as previously calculated, are over half the normal charges, reductions are being granted. The consumers who will gain most benefit are those who would have to pay the highest special service charges; in many cases these charges will be reduced by a half to two-thirds and even more in some cases. Those whose charges, as previously calculated, were only slightly over half the normal charges will gain small reductions; special service charges which are half or less of the normal fixed charges remain unchanged.

To show clearly how much rural consumers are going to benefit, I think I should give the House some typical examples of the reductions which will result. The occupant of a county council cottage paying, two-monthly, 14/-fixed charge and £1 15s 6d special service charge will have his special service charge reduced to 11/5d. A consumer, similarly housed, but who because of higher connection costs, was previously liable for a special service charge of £2 12s will have it reduced to 16/-. A consumer with a medium-sized farm paying, two-monthly, £1 5s fixed charge and £2 14s special service charge will now pay a reduced special service charge of £1. A large farmer, with a fixed charge of £2 5s and a special service charge of £2 18s 4d will now pay a special service charge of £1 9s 11d. The House will see, therefore, that the reductions are quite substantial.

These reductions are being introduced by agreement with the ESB and do not require amending legislation. It was therefore decided to introduce the revised terms immediately—as from 1st June, 1968, for new customers. Existing consumers will benefit from and including their accounts for the September/October and October/November billing periods. These are the earliest dates from which it is practical for the ESB to introduce the modified charges. By the end of the post-de velopment scheme, the reductions will add about £300,000 to the Board's annual loss on rural electrification. This will have to be borne by the Board's consumers generally and no increase in the statutory State subsidy payable to the ESB is contemplated.

The ESB, while they are forbidden by law to make profits, are, also by law, required to avoid losses and the additional loss expected on the extension of rural electrification will require to be met by surplus revenue from existing consumers.

Any householders who did not accept supply because of the high special service charges when the ESB were recanvassing their areas and who now wish to obtain connection, may get in touch with their local ESB offices. I think I should stress, however, that while some householders may be able to get supply at the revised terms without delay, people in general will find that they will have to wait until the ESB come to do their areas. In carrying out the post-development scheme, the ESB are recanvassing the country in a planned sequence of areas so as to ensure orderly development and to keep costs to a minimum. Any departure from the planned arrangements upsets the Board's programme and increases the costs involved. Preference for any area can be arranged only by delaying supply to other areas. It is clearly impossible for the ESB to connect immediately all who will now seek supply. The Board expect that it will take them nearly five years to give all unconnected householders in the country an opportunity to take supply at the revised terms.

As I have explained, the new arrangements for rural electrification are going to mean substantial reductions for those who would have to pay high special service charges. There may be some householders, however, in areas isolated from the Board's network, who will consider even the reduced charges still too high. For these people we are increasing the subsidy for the installation of bottled gas to £35. The former subsidy of £10 was intended to provide only a basic installation. In this way it was the equivalent of the rural electrification subsidy which provides only for the connection of a premises as far as the meter, leaving wiring and fittings on the consumer's side of the meter to be provided by the consumer himself. The higher subsidy of £35 will pay for a more complete bottled gas installation. It should cover the basic equipment and three, or perhaps more, consumption points, depending on the circumstances, which may be used for lighting, heating, cooking or other appliances. This grant will be available to all rural householders whose special service charges for electricity, under the revised terms, would still be more than 100 per cent of the normal charges. Enquiries about the increased grant, which does not require amending legislation, should be addressed to my Department.

While the cost of rural electrification is high, the benefits to the rural population are considerable. It has spread the amenities of modern living all over the country. This is clearly illustrated by the fact that there are now 140,000 television sets, 240,000 electric irons, 160,000 electric kettles as well as many thousand washing machines, electric cookers, refrigerators and storage heaters in rural homes. On the other hand, electricity has provided the rural population with greater opportunities for relaxation to enjoy these benefits, with the aids which it has made available for easier farming and simultaneous increased farm productivity. In milking, for instance, the use of electrical milking machines has increased from about 18,000 in 1963-64 to nearly 30,000 at present. There has also been an increase in the use of electric milk coolers. Piped water is, of course, essential for efficient farming operations and this is easily provided by electricity; about 60,000 electric water pumps have now been installed.

I think I need say no more about the benefits of rural electrification. As I have said, the purpose of the Bill is to authorise the ESB to incur the capital expenditure necessary to complete the current post-development scheme. The present proportion of rural households connected, 87 per cent, must be considered very good when one has regard to the fact that our farmhouses tend to be isolated and not sited in groups as in some countries. Over the next five years we expect to raise the proportion to about 92 per cent, with connection available to many other houses which could bring the total even closer to 100 per cent. At that stage we should be among the most advanced countries in the matter of rural electrification. In fact with the revised charges and the continuation of the subsidy, the Government is seeing to it that practically every unconnected householder in the country will now be able to enjoy the benefits of electricity on reasonable terms.

I commend the Bill to the House.

I certainly welcome this Bill, as it deals with matters that have interested me for quite a number of years. I congratulate the Minister on at last bringing the benefits of the rural electrification network and the modern aids that come in its wake to the last remaining few people deemed, up to now, to be uneconomic electricity consumers. I want to pay a special tribute to the ESB as a body since they have been so eminently successful. Looking at them from my own county, it is nice to see them comprised of public-spirited men, with officials and employees taking a very active interest in the community in which they live.

Apart from this Bill, I want to compliment the ESB on their initiative in organising a special junior effort in regard to the Tidy Towns competition. This may be far removed from the Bill but it indicates the spirit of the ESB employees, people who have their work at heart and are so helpful to the public. It is this spirit of co-operation and goodwill that one meets in an ESB office that means so much to their success. One can only wish that other semi-State organisations would take a leaf out of the book of the ESB; it would be bound to achieve the same result.

I welcome especially the provisions in the Bill whereby the supplementary charges for rural electrification are being met to some extent. I am not clear as to whether this includes the odd case where a Land Commission estate is divided and you have an unfortunate farmer saddled with a huge mansion and a correspondingly huge bimensal charge. In many cases I know that the ESB officials have agreed to accept the sealing of one or two floors of a big Georgian dwelling and not take other floor area into account. Perhaps the Minister would be good enough to let me know whether or not that will be included in his revised charges in the October-November period.

I should like to avail of this opportunity to compliment the ESB and the staff in Portlaoise on the great work in the new techniques they have developed down there in handling and working on live lines. These things do not get sufficient acknowledgment, but they show the progressive attitude and the strides that are being made. The one thing on which the ESB might go a little easy is the large sums of money they spend each year on advertising. One would think the ESB had not a monopoly of electrification to judge by the vast sums of money they spend on both television and other advertising. I wonder if this money could not be spent on other methods of helping to provide a cheaper service.

I should like the Minister to be a little more explicit on the ceiling he envisages for the new special service charge. It was not too clear as he was reading his statement. He also mentioned, and has given some examples of the new charges, and I wonder if he could lay before the House fuller details of the scheme which he seems to have fully worked out at this time.

The increase in the bottled gas subsidy is a little more realistic. The old scheme whereby £10 was made available was not very attractive, and it was availed of very little by the public. The subsidy of £35 should be a greater inducement because it would be possible to have, perhaps, a cooking point and a few lights installed for the £35, and the more remote areas may find it easier to avail of it.

One of the better points in this Bill is the fact that people who have been paying very high special service charges in order to avail of the ESB network can expect some easement of the situation in the autumn. The number of branches in which the ESB are now operating in rural Ireland is certainly something to be admired. Their work in the field of rural electrification and the service they give to promoters of group water schemes in providing free of charge the plans of operations on different charts is something that to a great extent goes unnoticed. The public relations in the Board must not be really on the job because the good work they have been doing over the past few years for the rural community has got scant recognition whereas the decision on their new office block in Dublin seems to have got a whole lot of adverse publicity.

We have in the ESB a body of dedicated men, especially the linesmen whom I marvel at in the winter time, attending to breakdowns so very efficiently and in all weathers. These people are certainly not in the higher income brackets. I am certainly not in the labour relations movement but I do know there is there a great sense of dedication in regard to the 24-hour breakdown service the ESB give. The fact that one very seldom meets a bad humoured ESB man when he comes out—at least I do not meet any down my way—and the promptness with which breakdowns are undertaken are things I have always admired. It goes to show that the ESB must have a contented staff, and I sincerely hope that the Board will do all they can to keep them in that happy condition.

There were a few other points I meant to mention, one of them being the principle of the Turf Development Bill relating to the transfer of the burden of the special charges from the user of electricity to the taxpayer. In the case of rural electrification the Minister proposes to increase the burden on the electricity users outside the rural areas, and I should like to know why the Government should not provide the subsidy directly from the Exchequer rather than in the way the Minister proposes to do it.

I should like again to underline the very great social service the ESB are engaged on and the great service they are rendering to the community. Because so much of the economics of Irish agriculture are tied up with the cost of electricity, and having regard to the fact that the price structure of so many farm crops has not changed or improved in the past 12 months, it is to be hoped that the Minister or the Board do not contemplate an increase this year in the price of the unit of electricity.

I should like to welcome the Bill. Anyone who comes from a rural area knows the advantages of rural electrification, and I was not one bit surprised that the Minister gave us a fairly detailed account of those advantages. Everything he said about it was quite true. Anyone who gets electricity, no matter how poor he is, will tell you he would prefer to do without a couple of meals a day than have the electricity cut off. That in itself shows the advantage of having proper light in a house.

The Minister is aware that most of the people who have not got electricity in those areas are poor people. He has gone a good way towards meeting them, and I am sure the demand from the people in those areas who have not the advantage of electricity will be very great. It is a bit disappointing that it will take five years to supply electricity to all who are likely to apply for it. We know there is quite an amount of development going on at present in areas which did not look economic at one time but which are now considered to be economic.

The Minister said it will cost about £300,000, and in the next sentence, he said it will have to be borne by the Board's consumers. That gave us a slight fright but in the next sentence he said the ESB are required to avoid losses and that the additional loss expected on the extension of rural electrification will require to be met by surplus revenue from existing customers. I consider it a great concession that there is to be no increase in the present rate of electricity to provide electricity for these other areas.

I certainly welcome the Bill and I am sure there is no one in the country who will not welcome its provisions. I entirely agree with everything in it.

I should like to welcome the Bill briefly and to pay tribute to the great benefit which rural electrification has been to the countryside. It is almost impossible to think back now to less than 20 years ago when the greater part of the countryside was without electricity. There has been a great achievement in that period.

I suggest that a five years delay seems rather long. I know it is in keeping with the systematic approach to these areas. I would suggest to the Minister that he could make it easy for the people in those areas during the five years while they are awaiting electricity, if they could avail in some way of the bottled gas scheme. Until these remote areas are connected, it is highly desirable that they should have some stand-by scheme. This is not possible under the present Bill, but if the Minister saw fit he could encourage the giving of a gas scheme prior to connection, and when the connection is made, perhaps half of the cost of the gas scheme could be recouped. It might be possible to work out some compromise for the future. It is rather difficult for those in the remote areas to have to wait five years for connection. There may be a tourist potential which could be profitably developed over the next five years.

I thank the House for their enthusiastic reception of the Bill. Senator McDonald asked about the effect of the provisions of the Bill on farmers owning very large houses. The fixed charge will not be affected in any way. It will remain the same. It is the special service charges only that will be altered, and reduced in the circumstances which I have indicated. The reduction will apply in all cases where the special service charges are more than 50 per cent of the basic fixed charges as previously calculated. There is no upper limit or ceiling in relation to this charge which can be reduced to one-third of the previous charges.

Having regard to the fact that the ESB loss on rural consumption will increase, perhaps the Seanad would like to have some figures. If the Government provided all the extra capital required to facilitate these additional fixed charges, the extra loss to the ESB to instal electricity in the rural dwellings we estimate to be £205,000 at the end of five years. As we are not providing the extra capital, the loss would be £305,000, so the difference is £100,000 in connection with loss on rural consumption. This extra loss of £305,000 represents over a five-year period 1.13 per cent of the total value of sales of electricity, so it is not very much. There is already a loss of £1½ million on rural electricity which is subsidised by urban consumption. Again in relation to total revenue of £30 million that is not an excessive figure. If by any chance we find at the end of two years that even this slight total additional annual loss might affect the ESB in any way, I will be prepared to go back to the Government and ask them to make some contribution additional to the present one of 75 per cent of the cost or £75, whichever is less, for any single rural connection. That subsidy is also applied to system improvement, an improvement of the system in general as consumption increases and long lines have to be erected in order to supply rural consumption.

I think I have answered all the questions except one. I am afraid we do not make bottled gas available for a temporary period. As in the case of many other things, we do our best about social and economic improvements, but a bottled gas subsidy would apply only to those whose special service charges are over 100 per cent of the fixed charges.

Is the Minister aware that by excluding these people who have Land Commission houses, he is leaving them with no hope? The houses I am thinking of normally have £7, £8 or £11 bimensal charges. They are 30 to 50 acre Land Commission houses, but the Minister must know that you cannot farm unless you have electricity.

I should like to do a lot of things like that but I have discovered by long experience of comparing electricity charges here and in other countries that it is terribly important to have mathematically exact calculations made in relation to fees and charges for electricity. The system must be worked out exactly and it is too complicated to take the House into it now. Even the charges that are being made in this Bill must be absolutely fair and equitable with no exception of any particular class of person.

Question put and agreed to.
Agreed to take remaining Stages today.
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