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Seanad Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 27 Apr 1988

Vol. 119 No. 6

Adjournment Matter. - County Roscommon Roads.

The road network in County Roscommon — that is, all grades of roadway — is among the very worst in the country. The county or minor road network in this county is the most deteriorated, the most deficient, the most dangerous, in short, the very worst network of county or minor roads in the whole country. This evening I call on the Minister immediately to increase the block grant to the Roscommon local authority in order that remedial work can be undertaken to ameliorate the misery and the humiliation felt by thousands of people in the county who live along these roads and who must use them as access to their homes, their farms, their schools and, indeed, their work.

The Minister may have no news for us tonight other than to say he has no money but we do not accept that. There is a clear responsibility on the Government to maintain the public highway. When the deteriorated and deficient state of the public highway threatens life and limb — that is a fact — and when it threatens livelihoods and when children can no longer reach their schools — that is another fact because school transport services are being withdrawn from these awful roads — the Government cannot plead inability to pay.

In relation specifically to Roscommon, the relevant statistics and figures show the injustice which is being done to this county by the Government in terms of the allocation it gets to maintain and keep in order its road network. The county has 3,330 kilometres of county road; 1,250 kilometers are classified as primary or more important county roads, not to be confused with national primary roads or national secondary roads. We are talking about the more important mileages of the county roads. A recent survey shows that 550 kilometres, or approximately 45 per cent of this category, are seriously deficient, barely passable or downright dangerous. The remaining 2,080 kilometres are not yet fully surveyed to determine the level of danger and deterioration but that will be soon available. However, conservative estimates ahead of the survey suggest that 55 per cent of this second category, all 2,080 kilometres of it, are either dangerous or impassable and that the stretches that are reasonably acceptable in relative terms are nevertheless rutted and potholed over all the better stretches. The genesis of the disaster, of course, goes back to the madness of 1977.

Taking 1977 as the base year we find that the expenditure on county road maintenance in County Roscommon was £731 per kilometre. In the current year, 11 years on, the expenditure is £350 per kilometre, more than halved in money terms. In real terms the cut is unbelievable because the building cost index has increased by 247.9 per cent from May 1977 to the end of 1987. If we were to spend at the same level on maintenance as applied in 1977, the expenditure now would be £1,812 per kilometre. I have just mentioned that instead we are spending £350 per kilometre.

There is another set of statistics which shows the serious disadvantages of Roscommon and, indeed, a few other counties in the west in relation to road funding, particularly county road funding. I will quote from an analysis of the level of expenditure on county roads in 1986 prepared by the Minister's own Department which refers to all local authorities in the State. In 1986 the amount available to Roscommon County Council to expend under this heading was £420 per kilometre and this year that figure has fallen to £350 per kilometre. In 1986 Dublin County Council had £4,700 per kilometre to spend on county road maintenance. Tipperary South Riding had £1,300 per kilometre to spend on county roads in 1986. County Wicklow had £960 per kilometre, County Limerick, £934; County Cork had £866, County Kildare had £760 and the Minister's own county of Mayo had £410 per kilometre.

That has gone up.

No. I do not think it has. The Minister would want to take note of that particular statistic. Galway had £400 per kilometre.

These are just facts and figures and I am not saying anything to denigrate any of the counties I mentioned. These are facts and it is important, if we are to make our case, since all things are relative, that we bring in all the relative figures so that a proper judgment can be made. This gross injustice in determining the size of the allocation is a throw-back to the days when the total valuation of all the property in an administrative county determined the size of that authority's budget. Naturally areas like Dublin with a very high density of buildings, all valued for PLV purposes, won out in this system. Naturally counties like Wicklow and south Tipperary, with very good land, highly valued under the old PLV system, won by this system also. Counties like Roscommon and Mayo, by and large with poor land and low valuation, are put at a very serious and unjust disadvantage when this otherwise abolished system is used as the base to determine the size of the budget.

This system takes no account of the fact that a typical western county like Roscommon or, indeed, Mayo has greater difficulty in maintaining rural roads because of the subsoil conditions the roads are necessarily built upon. It is estimated that almost 60 per cent of the minor roads in County Roscommon are built on difficult or water-logged soils. This gives an instability to the road pavement which leads to easy breakdown. Also, there is the greater level of rainfall in western counties which is most damaging to road surfaces.

Factors like these are the relevant matters that should be taken into account in determining budgets for the various counties. With the present crazy set-up we have now counties where there are fewer problems deriving from the land and fewer problems deriving from the elements are faring much better than the counties in the west which have all the difficulties of land and of the elements.

A recent report by the county engineer in Roscommon showed that the funding for county road maintenance alone — leaving aside any new improvements — was only 37 per cent of what is needed and 63 per cent short of what is needed and that the remedying of all the accumulated deficiencies on the complete county road system would cost an estimated £80 million.

Members of the Government, the Minister included, have engaged in enormous reams of rhetoric about developing forestry, tourism, peat bogs and, indeed, farmland. Very often the rhetoric is just nonsense, if judged by any follow-up action. It amounts to utterly dishonest nonesense, if not chicanery, to engage in this kind of verbosity while the basic infrastructures which service these activities and these industries, the county and main road systems, are allowed to destruct into quagmires and moonscapes of ruts and patholes, fatal both to human and machine life.

Let us remember that if there is to be any integrated rural development programme which is now enunciated by the EC and if these policies are to succeed, the first thing we must improve is the basic infrastructure in the areas where they will be applied and that is the road system. There was a Dáil debate in Private Members' Time on the condition of county roads. It was a motion proposed by Fianna Fáil on May 22 1985. The then spokesperson on the Environment for the Opposition, Deputy Bobby Molloy, now departed of course to other climes, had this to say on behalf of his party and I quote——

You are aware we do not allow full quotations from Dáil debates, Senator.

I plead with you, a Cathaoirligh that I am reading from the Official Dáil Report, column 1934.

Paraphrase it. I am sure, given the eloquent way you have made your contribution up to now, you will be able to do so.

Deputy Molloy, on 2 May 1985, in Private Members' Time in the Dáil said:

Fianna Fáil believe special action is required to cater for the crisis situation that exists and to restore the worst affected roads to satisfactory standards again.

Our motion calls for special action. Special funding is now needed from the Exchequer for maintenance and the rate support grants need to be restored to allow local authorities to maintain satisfactory level of services.

Concluding Deputy Molloy said:

Fianna Fáil are calling on the Government to invest in county road maintenance and establish a five year programme to bring these roads back up to a proper standard.

We appeal to the Minister to act. He said on two recent occasions known to me that he was the man who was going to fill the potholes. There are literally millions of potholes in County Roscommon. No doubt there are almost as many in the Minister's own county. I plead with him here tonight to increase the block grant to County Roscommon from something just over £500,000, a totally unrealistic figure. I know money is very short but here is an area of clear Government responsibility. Life and limb are threatened. We plead with the Minister to increase our allocation. Thank you.

I welcome the opportunity to speak to the Members of the House about the question of local roads. I want to assure the House that I am fully aware of the general condition of the network of regional and county roads throughout the country. The relevant information is available in my Department as a result of ongoing contact with local authorities as well as submissions received from local authorities and representative bodies such as the County and City Engineers' Association. Detailed information has been received from all county councils in response to a departmental circular issued in May 1987 about the condition of the network of county roads together with the estimates of the level of investment required to remedy deficiencies in the network.

I am considering the information in the context of the preparation of a proposed blueprint for road development. State road grants totalling £150 million have been made available to local authorities in 1988; £120 million has been provided for road improvement works and the balance of £30 million has been provided for road maintenance. While the 1988 provision is £16 million less than the provision in 1987, it is still a substantial sum at a time when reductions have to be made in most sectors of public expenditure to improve the state of the public finances. The 1988 provision sees, in fact, an increase of 11 per cent in real terms compared with 1982.

Senator Connor spoke of the need for additional investment in the county road network. Primary responsibility for the network of county roads, including the assessment of the need for improvement and maintenance works on them, rests with the local authority. However, because of my particular concern about the state of county roads and the system of county roads, I have taken special measures in recent times to increase the level of State funding for works on these roads. In 1987 I allocated a total of £15 million to local authorities for the strengthening of county roads compared with £5 million allocated by a previous Government in 1986.

Announced in November 1986.

The Minister, without interruption.

A further £15 million has been allocated in 1988.

Down in real terms.

Senator Connor, I do not think the Minister interrupted you. You cannot have this chat across the floor with the Minister, not here while I am in the Chair.

I defer to your ruling.

Block grants totalling £20.2 million were also provided to local authorities in each of the years 1987 and 1988. This year I have also relaxed the conditions which apply to both the county roads strengthening grants and the block grant to allow local authorities greater flexibility in deciding how the money is to be spent. County councils have been informed that they can now use the block grant for roads on surface dressing and repair of potholes on primary county roads. County councils can also adopt a more flexible approach to the grant for strengthening county roads which should be spent on primary county roads as far as practicable. Where it is evident that a stretch of road with a number of potholes is in need of strengthening, the remedial works can qualify for the strengthening grant if the cost of the strengthening is more than half the total cost of the work.

The specific measures to be undertaken on foot of the State grant assistance are matters for each individual local authority. Under existing arrangements the cost of works on county and regional roads falls to be financed by a combination of State road grants and local resources. The relevant State grants are the block grant, county road strengtening grant, special improvement grants and grants for EC western package schemes. In the case of Roscommon County Council, road grants totalling £1,691,000 were allocated in 1988 under those headings. These include a block grant of £592,000, a county road strengthening grant of £675,000, a grant of £234,000 under the EC western package and other special grants of £190,000 and the level of expenditure from local resources is a matter for determination by the local authorities.

It is interesting to compare one or two of the figures. In 1980 the State and local resources total expenditure on non-national roads in County Roscommon was £1.05 million. I allocated this year, in 1988, £2.67 million. I want to inform the Senator, through you a Chathaoirligh, that the block grant and the county road strengthening grants and FEOGA grants are all allocated on a strict mileage basis, somewhat different from the method adopted by my predecessor in office. Should the good Senator or any other Senator wish me to go into any detail about the means adopted by my predecessor in the divvying up of the money for road grants I will be quite happy to do so and it will be shown up in exactly the light which the good Senator from Roscommon well knows.

We did better under it.

County road maintenance, the basic subject matter to which the motion refers, is not met from State grants at all. It is met from local resources. That is apart from the recent change in the surface dressing and the change in the block grant which was welcomed by all and sundry as a major breakthrough and something that was requested by county councils up and down this country for many years and never conceded until this Minister and this administration allowed it to be done. It has had an enormous impact on what I being done to relieve the situation.

The moneys available to me for road grants in 1988 were fully allocated to local authorities in November last. I was a little upset to hear the Senator say that the Minister no doubt would suggest that there was no money but that he did not accept that. I would like to know at some stage whether he is saying that I am misleading the House in that matter or whether he is suggesting that the Government have some other funding available to them that I know nothing about. The fact is that I have no other source of finance available to provide for increases in the individual grants notified to any local authority. Any increase I would or could give to one authority could only be provided by withdrawing grants that have already been notified to other authorities and I am not going to do that. I would regard that as being inequitable. In any event, I am satisfied that each local authority received their fair share of the funds available to me in 1988.

I do not accept that the situation in Roscommon is as bad as the Senator suggests. He does not have the most deficient and most dangerous road situation in Ireland. He was using rather inflamatory language and his speech was more for local regurgitation than a serious attempt to assess the position in pragmatic terms. I will prove my point by making reference to the position that exists in Roscommon County Council in so far as their total financial position is concerned. It may be of some interest to the House to hear this. Roscommon's current financial position is relatively sound at present in comparison with very many other county councils throughout Ireland. There was a substantial improvement of £541,000 in their revenue account during 1987 to give them a closing credit balance of almost £130,000. The credit situation on the current account is offset by a substantial debit balance of about £1 million on the capital account.

Notwithstanding the large debit on capital account, the council had a cash surplus of £120,198 at the end of 1987. I wonder how many other county councils in Ireland could boast the same. That overall cash surplus enabled Roscommon County Council to avoid overdraft borrowing for the last three months in 1987. How many other county councils could say the same about their financial position? I would also point out that the debtors in County Roscommon exceeded £2.8 million at the end of 1987. If there was a serious reduction in the number and the level of the debtors it would cetainly lead to a very improved situation in the council's current finances and would enable them to undertake much stronger maintenance works on their county road system the funding of which they are responsible for anyway.

All that being said it is obvious that Roscommon is not in a disadvantaged situation is so far as the distribution of moneys available to me is concerned and I would refer the good Senator to remarks made by colleagues of his, from his own party in the other House, where they persistently suggest to me that more money should be spent on the road networks in and around Dublin and in and around Leinster. They say they have a higher and greater usage of vehicluar traffic than roads in the west and they suggest that Roscommon, Donegal, Galway, Mayo, Cork and Kerry get more than their fair share of the money that is going about. On taking office I dispensed with the system of divvy up that was practised by my predecessor, which was inequitable, and I divided strictly on the mileage in each county and consequently Roscommon gets its fair share straight down the line as every other county in Ireland does.

In regard to the future, the blueprint which I will be announcing and publishing shortly will address the question of the medium and long term development needs of the entire system of public roads, national, primary, secondary, regional, county and whatever, including the roads referred to in the motion.

The Seanad adjourned at 9 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Thursday, 28 April 1988.

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