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Seanad Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 8 Jul 1992

Vol. 133 No. 15

Adjournment Matter. - UCC Governing Body Membership.

The matter I wish to raise is of great interest and curiosity to my colleagues as well as I would suggest to a wider educational circle. There has been a new governing body in University College, Cork since 1 February, and there have been new governing bodies in the other constituent colleges. I know that Senator Fitzgerald, who is here, has some interest in that matter. I am primarily concerned with UCC but my remarks also apply to University College, Dublin and University College, Galway.

These governing bodies are made up of a wide range of representatives who are elected and nominated in different ways, some of the graduates — I had the honour to be on that panel in University College, Cork — and some by the academic body, by the professors, and so on. Since the enactment of the Universities Act, 1908, the Government have been represented on these bodies. In University College Cork, for example, traditionally the Government appointed the Roman Catholic Bishop of Cork, the Church of Ireland Bishop of Cork and, over the past 20 years, a student who was generally the President of the Students' Union.

In the present governing body which assembled for the first time in mid-February, there is no Government representation, which is quite extraordinary. As far back as last September, our college formally notified the Government that there would be a new governing body but no nominees were appointed by the Government. That body have been meeting since February and my contention is that although we are validly constituted we are not fully constituted.

My information is that University College, Cork, and I am sure the other colleges as well, have made frequent representations to the Government reminding them of the need to appoint their nominees. This is quite unprecedented, and it is particularly regrettable that there has been no student representation for the period since 1 February and even before that. This is bad because students are supposed to have a voice on matters such as fee increases and so on.

I simply want to know the reason for the Government's inaction in this case. Admittedly, there have been three Ministers for Education in quick succession and the Government have a lot on their plate, but surely it would take only a couple of minutes either to reappoint the two bishops and the student, or if there is some other intention — and rumour has it that the Government intend to replace the traditional nominees by business people — why do they not do so? It seems quite extraordinary that they have not acted.

I want to make it clear that my concern is with the student vacancy. I do not stay awake at night worrying about whether the bishops should be reappointed — that is not the point I wish to make. I would welcome any acceptable nominees of the Government but it is extraordinary, discourteous, and negligent on the part of the Government not to have made these appointments. They seem to take the attitude, "We are the Government, we give the universities 70 per cent of their grants and, therefore, we can afford to treat them with contempt and dangle them on a string", but that is not good enough. I look forward to hearing the Minister's reply on this matter.

I appreciate the Senator's concern in raising this matter. Under a provision in the Irish Universities Act, 1908, University College Cork, University College, Galway and University College, Dublin were given charters and under these charters provision was made for the appointment of governing bodies in each of these three colleges. The triennial period of office of the governing body of University College, Cork expired on 31 January 1992 and the triennial period for the new governing body of University College, Cork commenced on 1 February 1992.

The position regarding the composition of the University College, Cork governing body is as follows: the President; three people nominated by the Government; two members appointed by the Senate of the NUI; four graduates of the university who are members of the college elected by these graduates; six professors of the college elected by the academic council; the Lord Mayor of Cork; the Mayor of Limerick; the Mayor of Waterford; representatives of Cork County Council, Waterford County Council, Kerry County Council, Limerick County Council and the joint county councils of Tipperary and four cooptions, giving a total of 28 members. The three crown nominees which were originally provided for under the charter are now the three Government nominees. This change was made possible by means of University College Cork Statute No. 61. The Senator will appreciate, therefore, that there is quite an extensive provision for the composition of the governing body.

The outgoing Government nominees on University College, Cork governing body were: Most Reverend Michael Murphy, Bishop of Cork and Ross; Right Reverend Robert Alexander Wark, Bishop of Cork, Cloyne and Ross, and Mr. John O'Connor, former President of the Students' Union, University College, Cork.

I must emphasis that the non-appointment of Government nominees to the governing body of UCC in no way hinders the smooth operation of the governing body at the college.

The Senator will be aware that as part of the process of consultation on the Green Paper discussions will take place with all interested parties on the appropriate composition and functions of university governing bodies. I would refer the Senator to paragraph 8.5 of the Green Paper in this regard. The question of Government nominees to the governing body of University College, Cork, as well as to other governing bodies will arise for consideration in due course as part of the ongoing consultation process.

I thank the Minister for his reply, but it is not very satisfactory. The Green Paper will, in time, lead to an Education Act, but by that time surely this term of the UCC governing body will have expired. The Minister has not answered the question as to why nominees can not be appointed pending the outcome of that clause in the Green Paper and its possible consequences. I submit that the Minister is right in that the governing body are functioning but they are not fully or satisfactorily functioning without the Government nominees.

There is a process of ongoing consultation. As I said, the appointment will be made in due course but I cannot put a specific date on it at this time.

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