It is proposed to take items 1, 2 and 29, motion 24. Item 1 will be taken at the end of the Order of Business until 6 p.m., item 2 from 8 p.m. to 10 p.m. and item 29, motion 24, from 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. I suggest 20 minutes per speaker on item 1.
Order of Business.
I take it that if item 1 does not conclude by 6 p.m. it will conclude on another day.
On 5 February I proposed an all-party motion on the Nirex centre and the Leader agreed; all the parties of the House agreed to demand that the British Government not proceed with the Nirex dumps so this week's decision must be welcomed. I said at the time it was a national issue and that was a national victory. We should build on one or two aspects of that decision. For the first time the British Government recognises the legitimate Irish interest in that issue and recognised its obligations to other states in relation to nuclear waste and Sellafield. I now ask that the House unite again behind a further motion to ensure that the aging 30 year old nuclear reactors be destroyed and that their waste, which has been declared a health risk, be dealt with safely.
We should be putting pressure on the German Government not to send any more waste to Thorp. I ask the Leader to consider my proposal that we unite, again, in the national interest on this important issue. I commend all those who have been involved in helping the British Government to come to what was an important decision for the Irish people.
I echo what Senator Wright has said. The manner in which the Nirex executives sought to conceal the seriousness of the situation adds weight to Senator Wright's request. At the meeting of the British-Irish Interparliamentary Body we were exposed to the justifications by the Nirex chief executive. The sanctimonious self-righteousness of the presentation showed just how far these people have a sense of complacency and are trapped in a certain scientific, technological mindset which refuses to accept as serious the concerns of ordinary people. As Nirex is son of Sellafield in many respects, I am quite sure the same mindset prevails among the Sellafield people. What has happened over Nirex gives further support to Senator Wright's request that we push as hard as possible on Sellafield.
I support the remarks that have been made about Nirex. While I welcome the decision that has been taken I agree that it is only half the story and much more needs to be done to get rid of the inherent dangers in the facility. There has been huge complacency in Britain at official level regarding that facility. It is worth recording that the public inquiry into Sellafield was conducted by the Ministry of Agriculture in Whitehall. One wonders about the relevance of that ministry to the activities of nuclear energy.
Last week I raised the hepatitis C issue and in his reply on the Order of Business the Leader indicated there would be a debate on the report of the tribunal of inquiry into the Blood Transfusion Service Board. As we are all aware, things have developed even more seriously since that report was issued last week. There is a great cloud hanging over the activities of the Blood Transfusion Service Board. In my view it has come to the point where the board should be replaced and an alternative way found of supplying blood to those who require it. This is an extremely serious matter and one the House needs to examine in detail. It is important that the Minister attend the House. We must establish who is accountable because there seems to be a tremendous lack of accountability in all this. In addition to having such a debate there should be questions to the Minister.
I noted today that a senior official in the Blood Transfusion Service Board said there was embarrassment over the incident that had taken place. It is only today that a letter of apology has issued for an incident which took place some time ago. That is not acceptable and we will have to give it due attention in the House. The Leader has said he hopes the matter will be debated before Easter.
The other matter I wish to raise concerns the unfortunate death of a young person in Cork as a result of joyriding. There was a suggestion that the Garda Síochána is restrained from using so-called "stinger" spikes to puncture car tyres. I understand that this measure is covered in the legislation but it is a question of bringing it into effect to allow the spikes to be used. As things stand, gardaí are only able to use them in particular circumstances and joyriding is not one of them. The provision is in the legislation, however, and that part of the Act should become operational. I would ask the Leader to investigate the matter with a view to implementing it.
I support Senator Wright who raised the question of Nirex. I welcome the decision of the British Government not to proceed with the dump facility. The British authorities have acknowledged the legitimate interests of the Irish Government and people in regard to the issue. I also support the Senator's second point that the question of Sellafield must be raised again in a determined manner. We should pay tribute to the Minister of State, Deputy Stagg, who has been extremely tenacious in pursuing Government policy on the issue as well as the interests of people both here and in Britain.
Senator Dardis raised the hepatitis C issue and the report of the tribunal of inquiry into the Blood Transfusion Service Board. It is absolutely inexcusable that the board has again made a mistake in contacting a woman who had contracted hepatitis C through anti-D. At the same time it is irresponsible to suggest we can suddenly find another method of supplying blood. We must have a continuous supply of blood for a great many people around the country who are dependent on it, whether on a regular basis or once off as the result of an accident. It is not as simple as saying that the Blood Transfusion Service Board should be disbanded. I was dismayed by the interview with Deputy Harney on Morning Ireland this morning. She did not address the real issues concerning the question of having a safe and reliable supply of blood in which the public can have confidence.
That is not the issue.
The question is not as simple as disbanding the board and finding an alternative way to supply blood. That does not advance the safety of blood supplies and finding the truth. I support the decision by the Minister for Health to transfer the board to the grounds of a public hospital to ensure proper accountability. Deputy Harney's proposals go too far in this regard.
It was announced today that a Bill will be introduced by the Minister for Education to raise the school leaving age to 16 and to tackle the problems of truancy and young people not attending school. Perhaps we could speed up its passage through the Houses by introducing it in the Seanad. I ask the Leader to make inquiries in this regard.
Given the recent joyriding accidents in Cork, where a young girl was killed, and in Limerick, where a garda was seriously injured, I ask the Leader to ask the Minister for Justice to consider reintroducing the use of the cat o' nine tails or the cane. The people committing such crimes are 14 and 15 years of age and they have no regard for law and order. We need a form of punishment to act as a deterrent. If anyone else injured or killed a garda they would get life in prison, but these people are getting away with it. It would only cost the taxpayer £60 or £70 a week to keep them in Loughlin House. The Minister should consider introducing such forms of punishment.
I support Senator Wright. I visited the Nirex site on two occasions and I was delighted that Mr. John Gummer, the Environment Secretary, refused the application on appeal. The initial application was refused by Cumbria County Council which, together with a number of local authorities, voiced their concerns about the site. If we want to close Sellafield we must harness the goodwill already established among the local authorities in England. We must bring home to the British people the problems Sellafield could cause.
I have always tried to be careful when speaking about the hepatitis C issue because of my involvement with patients. It is the most appalling therapeutic disaster we have had in this country but we must be careful and measured in what we say.
I was extremely sorry this morning to hear a politician giving clinical advice to patients to think carefully before having blood transfusions. I ask the Leader to ask the Minister for Health, who has no medical qualifications or expertise in transfusion medicine as far as I know, to issue a statement that patients should be guided by their clinicians who have their best interests at heart.
I feel particularly strongly about the maternity services. During the 1960s the major cause of death in women of child bearing age was haemorrhage. This has now ceased. I would be deeply disturbed if a woman going for an elective caesarean section would be guided in what she said to her clinician about receiving blood by a non-qualified person. I would also be concerned about patients going for elective operations where blood might be required being obliged to take the advice of someone who, as far as I know, has no expertise in transfusion medicine.
I was extraordinarily critical of the Blood Transfusion Service Board and I insisted on a debate in the Seanad when I discovered I had been deceived by it. I support those who say everything must be done to ensure that blood is of the highest possible standard. However, we must be extraordinarily careful about those less fortunate than us who are lying on hospital beds and being given advice by people who are not expert in this area.
I support Senator Dardis' comments on the joyriding problem in Cork. In the last month two lives have been lost while another person has been seriously injured. There have been ongoing discussions on the crime and justice issues in both Houses of the Oireachtas and attempts have been made to solve the joyriding and other criminal problems. It is surprising that the gardaí still cannot use spikes to deal with joyriding. Why is that? There is great concern in the Cork region about this matter.
There should be a serious discussion about the comments by the Central Bank on living costs in the east of Ireland. We might have an opportunity for such a discussion when the Seanad deals with the Finance Bill. Would the Leader ask the Minister of Finance to come to the House to discuss this matter? There is a danger of an increase in interest rates and consequent price increases because of increased costs in the eastern region, particularly in property costs. Would it be possible to have a discussion on this issue in the Seanad since it is already being discussed in business circles and in the Central Bank? We must ensure this problem does not destroy the economy.
The latest hepatitis C scandal is worrying. The Minister does not appear to be in control. The fact that a hepatitis C sufferer was asked to give blood, even though the judicial inquiry was in the middle of its proceedings, undermines confidence. It was a highly incompetent action. It is insensitive that such a thing should happen and everybody is extremely concerned about it. It is up to the Minister to deal with it but he does not appear to have his finger on the public pulse in this regard. He should have been extremely vigilant to ensure that such a thing would not happen. However, it did happen and it is a matter of great concern for everybody who is trying to convince the public that everything will be all right. If the Minister intends to carry out his job he must create confidence in the blood supply. The House should urge him to deal strongly with this matter or, if he cannot do his job, he should step aside and let others deal with it.
I read this morning that the school leaving age is to be increased to 16 years. I have no difficulty with that policy as in most schools children automatically remain in school beyond school leaving age. However, in certain areas children do not even want to stay in school beyond the age of 13 or 14 years. How can we devise a system to deal with those pupils? It is easy to offer platitudes about truancy and dropping out of school but would the Minister come to the House for a full debate on such issues before she issues statements? The principals of schools do not know what this statement really means. There should be a full discussion with the Minister about it and I ask the Leader to facilitate such a discussion.
A potentially damaging situation has arisen in sugar beet growing areas as a result of the failure of the IFA and Greencore to reach agreement on the price for the 1997 crop. The IFA has urged farmers and beef producers to boycott products and fertilisers produced by Interchem and Grassland Fertilisers, respectively. As a result, those not directly involved in the dispute will suffer and jobs will be lost.
During the next six weeks the sugar beet crop will be sown and time is not on our side if we are to take action in respect of this potentially serious situation. Intervention at the highest level, perhaps by the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Forestry, might be helpful. I urge the Leader to encourage both sides to enter negotiations before serious damage is done.
Would it be possible to consider framing a resolution to urge the establishment of a full international judicial inquiry into the slaughter of people on Bloody Sunday in Derry? I am sure the Leader shares my concerns about the most recent revelations which suggest that state-sponsored terrorism occurred on that day. My views on this matter became further entrenched when Mr. Heath argued that what happened in Tiananmen Square, which was in line with views expressed by Mr. Kitson at the time, was a perfectly legitimate approach on the part of the Chinese state. There can be no confidence that the Widgery Tribunal or the British judiciary are in any position to carry out a judicial inquiry and it is time an international inquiry into this slaughter took place.
I join with other Members in welcoming the decision on Nirex. I endorse statements by Senator Wright and others that the halfway stage has been reached. However, the problem of Sellafield remains to be addressed. Ministers and Ministers of State in successive Governments must be complimented because they held a good line on this issue. The pressure must be maintained.
Notwithstanding comments by Senator Henry, confidence is significantly important if the Blood Transfusion Service Board is to be accepted as legitimate. There is so much evidence of incompetence and maladministration that it is time to dismantle the BTSB and put in place a body which can win the confidence of the public. That lamentable organisation has placed itself completely outside the pale. I share Senator Henry's concerns about people about to undergo operations because everyone must have confidence in surgical procedures and one of the most important of these is blood transfusions.
There have been some welcome changes in the circumstances of Róisín McAliskey. However, it is time the German and British judicial authorities brought her case to a conclusion. Ms McAliskey is innocent and it is extraordinary to hear her being referred to in certain terms by right-wing British Tories touting votes. It is time the judicial authorities involved realised that justice delayed is justice denied. As an innocent person, Róisín McAliskey is entitled to justice.
I join with other Members in welcoming the decision on Nirex which, with Sellafield, has been the subject of discussion for a number of years. This House championed the campaign to highlight the issue of Sellafield and current and former Ministers and Ministers of State must be congratulated for their work in bringing this issue to the attention of people throughout Europe.
I join with Senator Dardis and others in expressing concern about recent appalling joyriding incidents in counties Cork and Limerick. A young Garda in the first weeks of his career is lucky to be alive, almost every bone in his body has been broken. The Minister has introduced measures. Will they be stepped up and introduced in areas outside Dublin? The situation has improved immensely as a result of changes in Dublin but there are difficulties in other cities.
I agree that we need a safe supply of blood and a board that will ensure its safety. That is the only thing that will give confidence to those who receive blood transfusions. I do not want to see any more victims as a result of incompetence or negligence on the part of the Blood Transfusion Service Board. The Minister acknowledged the first recommendation in Mr. Justice Finlay's report which was that the blood bank should be closed down and moved to a new site. If the board is not capable of delivering a safe blood supply to people who require it, it should move aside and its members should be replaced. I was amazed to hear officials from the blood bank say today they were dealing with an antiquated system. It is extraordinary that the safety of the blood supply and the effective running of the BTSB is not the number one item on the agenda of the Minister for Health. It is the number one health issue and has been for a long time. The Minister must take political responsibility and deliver on that. Then, we will be happy.
Mr. Naughten
With the spotlight on the food industry following recent newspaper articles will the Leader ask the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Forestry to instigate an information campaign on genetically modified organisms and their alleged risks to the food chain? Will he also ask him to ensure genetically manipulated foods are labelled as this is not the case at present? The public are worried about these types of food due to a lack of information. Will the Leader provide time for a debate on genetic engineering in food and cloning?
Will the Leader ask the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Forestry to implement the law regarding wandering horses? Last week on my way to Dublin, three horses crossed the Sligo-Belfast by-pass. It was a miracle an accident did not occur. Last night on my way to Dublin I witnessed an accident where a horse was killed and a truck jackknifed. It could have been a serious accident. Do we have to wait for more people to be killed before stray horses are rounded up? The Bill was passed by the Oireachtas and it is time those wandering animals were taken off the roads around Dublin.
I appeal to the media to be more careful when reporting incidents in the North. In Dromore peace was restored. The Orangemen, Nationalists and Sinn Féin agreed to allow a march to pass through the village but, because it was highlighted by the media, hard line Orangemen have said there is no agreement. It would be more beneficial if the media kept quiet until the event was over. We have to be very careful where Northern Ireland and the restoration of peace is concerned. It is a delicate instrument and issues should not be highlighted that will cause more interference.
I agree with those who have raised the question of joyriding. It is called "joyriding" but there is no joy in it for those who are killed. I agree with Senator Bohan, though many people might not. The day of psychiatry and psychology is gone. We have been dealing with this problem for 20 years and we have a disastrous situation. The day of sitting such people down to try and talk sense to them is gone. Queen Victoria did not bring in harsh rules because she enjoyed doing it; it was a case of having to.
A question for the Leader.
I am afraid we may have to reintroduce Victorian laws because we cannot allow teenagers to take the lives of gardaí. A deliberate attack was made on the garda in Limerick when a teenager drove a car over him. Do we intend to stand by and allow that to happen or will we take a strong line?
I agree with the sentiments expressed by Senator Henry on unqualified people making comments on radio about the Blood Transfusion Service Board. Politicians must be careful what they say at a time when there is a shortage of blood. The Blood Transfusion Service Board depends on voluntary donations. This is an extremely sensitive and emotional issue and we should be careful what we say in this regard.
Senator Farrell mentioned Dromore where a decision was taken by both communities on parades marching through the town this summer. Suddenly, outside influences became apparent— I do not blame the media — in the Orange Order in relation to Sinn Féin and the decision was squandered. It was the first time a step was taken in the right direction. It is important we send a message to party leaders to get the Anglo-Irish secretariat to work as quickly as possible and the Department of Foreign Affairs and the Northern Ireland Office to do something to instigate talks on the marching season. I have no doubt the madmen in Northern Ireland are gearing up for a long hot summer which will be worse than anything we have seen heretofore. Everything should be done to try to remove tension from the situation.
I express my sympathy to the family of the victim tragically killed by a car thief in Cork this weekend. This raises fundamental issues. I suppose we should be careful what we say as regards zero tolerance. There should be mandatory reporting of children who are expelled from school. At present there is a huge problem as regards children who have been expelled from secondary schools because of involvement in anti-social behaviour, drugs, etc. There is nothing for these children to do. It is time we had a debate on this matter as these children are being thrown on the scrap heap because of a misdemeanour in school.
The Department of Education has not issued guidelines in this regard and social services do not follow up cases where children have been expelled from school for anti-social behaviour. It is time we had a debate on delinquency. Perhaps mandatory rehabilitation, which has been successful in the United States, should be considered. Delinquency, joyriding, etc., are serious problems and it is time we had a full debate involving the Department of Education and the Department of Health to ensure that, once and for all, we solve these problems and remove the burden from teachers who cannot cope because there are no backup services.
We all derived much joy from the All-Ireland Club Finals in Croke Park on St. Patrick's Day. From a Galway point of view, we were pleased that our champions, Athenry, won the title.
Be humble.
I am sure it is an indication of better things to come from other Galway teams this year.
Unless something is done, the game of hurling may be priced out of existence. Will the Leader ask the Minister for Finance to examine the price of hurleys, particularly in relation to VAT? Will the Minister consider removing VAT from hurleys? This situation has pertained for many years but nobody has done anything about it. The Minister might consider allowing clubs, which are finding it difficult to survive, to claim a rebate on the VAT they pay on hurleys. It is important that our national game of hurling is nurtured, cared for and cultivated and this would be a means of doing so.
I refer to the breakdown of law and order, especially the incident in Limerick which has resulted in trainee Garda Keating from Kilbaha in west Clare being seriously injured in the Limerick Regional Hospital. Will the Leader convey our serious concerns about what is taking place to the Minister for Justice and ask what action she proposes to take, especially with vicious and well organised attacks on members of the Garda Síochána?
Will the Leader ask the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Forestry to state the outcome of negotiations he had in Brussels in the past few days for compensation payments for farmers as a result of fluctuations in the green pound and the fallout from the BSE outbreak? Will he draw the Minister's attention to the crisis small dairy farmers have suffered in the past year because of the payment of levies and super levies? In allocating the package the Minister negotiated, I ask that he take account of small family farms which have been severely penalised in the past few years and that some allocation be made to them.
I offer sympathies to the family in Cork and to the young Garda in Limerick who were victims of joyriding. Will the Leader clarify whether the trainee garda is fully insured because of his trainee status? A rumour, widespread in Limerick on St. Patrick's Day, is that he does not have the same insurance protection as a fully trained garda.
For decades, we built huge housing estates without providing any form of recreation facilities and no programmes were initiated to cater for the youth of those estates. It is little wonder then that one or two in each large estate take to stealing cars and driving them at reckless speeds. They are a danger to themselves and to the inhabitants of the estates. As public representatives we have much to answer for because we have let them down.
I wish to be associated with Senator Bohan's call to deal harshly with joyriders. These young criminals no longer fear the law. The Minister for Justice would have everyone's support in immediately introducing stricter measures to tackle the problem. Seanad Éireann is united today in calling for these measures.
I also concur with Senator McDonagh in his call for support for hurling clubs. We have tried before to have VAT removed from hurleys.
The Senator tried for years when his party was in Opposition.
The Senator is no stranger to Opposition. There should be grant aid for hurling clubs. The Minister for the Environment is an influential man from the All-Ireland winning county. This is the fastest grass game in the world. It is something of which to be proud and it is all Irish. Will the Leader arrange a discussion on the matter soon?
In light of the Minister for Arts, Culture and the Gaeltacht making known his proposals for forthcoming legislation for a super broadcasting authority, will the Leader arrange for a discussion on this? The Minister has been very supportive of the House and perhaps he will come before us for a discussion on this matter. There are farreaching changes involved. I am happy with the RTÉ Authority and the Independent Radio and Television Commission but the Minister's proposals are farreaching. I know they will not be implemented before the general election, but a debate to enlighten his civil servants on the attitude of the House towards these changes would be helpful.
I join with Senator Naughten in requesting a debate on genetic engineering. This matter is of immense importance to agriculture. Our farm produce enjoy an excellent image and it could be necessary to debate this process in the near future to ensure that our food standards and quality remain high. This process is causing considerable concern. I have received a number of representations, as I am sure most Members have.
The Minister for Justice has carried out her duties in a splendid manner and has introduced much important criminal law legislation. There is a necessity to further tighten laws, particularly in the context of gardaí being attacked over the weekend and squad cars being damaged. Is the Leader aware that quite a number of rows have taken place in which different types of implements, such as pickaxes and billhooks, have been used? There should be an examination of the situation where cases of such a serious nature are heard in a District Court where the maximum sentence is two years. These cases should be heard in the Circuit Court to show society's abhorrence of what is happening. Joyriding offences should also be heard in the Circuit Court and it is also essential that they be heard expeditiously. Delays result in people thinking the crime has gone unpunished and that a sense of urgency is absent. Will the Leader arrange for a debate on this matter?
I wish to ask the Leader if there is an appropriate form of dress for the House. If a Senator deliberately flouted this form of dress, would it be seen as a snub to the Cathaoirleach? I read in a newspaper that one head of state visited another head of state, deliberately flouting the acceptable form of dress, thereby delivering a deliberate snub——
That issue is not relevant to the Order of Business.
I am only interested in the question of formal dress in the Seanad.
The code of dress for the Seanad is a matter for the Committee on Procedure and Privileges.
Will the Leader get a report from the Minister for Justice on an individual in Galway who escaped from Loughan House in February and who was charged in the District Court in Galway on 12 March on five counts of aggravated robbery with violence? This individual, when he went to jail on 13 January, had been in detention on five previous occasions. Prior to going to jail he committed a large number of serious robberies——
This is not a matter for the Order of Business. Has the Senator a question for the Leader?
Will the Leader ask the Minister for Justice how a criminal of this nature, two days after going to Mountjoy Prison, was sent to Loughan House from which he escaped and returned to Galway where he has spent the last month committing serious crime? I want to know where this man is at the moment and whether the people of Galway can be assured that he is going to serve out his sentence.
For the information of the House, I draw Members' attention to the circulation of a Supplementary Order Paper of an amendment to the Private Members' Motion to be taken tonight.
There were many contributors today but a number of the issues raised were covered by several speakers. With regard to Nirex, I compliment Senator Wright, in particular, because it was at his instigation that we had an all party debate in this House on the issue some months ago. That debate was influential as was the Labour Party's Private Members' motion, as amended, on the action taken. That is a good example, where the national interest is at stake, of all the parties being willing to come together and speak with one voice. The Minister appreciated our backing in the excellent work he did on our behalf.
The question of joyriding was raised. The death of a young Cork man, the terrible injuries sustained by his friend and the injuries sustained by a trainee garda in Limerick are matters which need and receive our full sympathy. They also provoke anger and outrage that such things happen. The terrible loss of life of a promising young man fills us all with sadness. I will convey this sentiment to the Minister who, as a parent, is fully aware of the depth of feeling on this issue and of the call for necessary preventative action to be taken.
The House owes a vote of thanks to Senator Henry for her very sane and informed contribution on the topic of the blood supply. I was angry this morning when I heard a non-medical person offering clinical advice to people who might be in life threatening situations. That sort of shrill and irresponsible opportunism on a clinical matter is something in which no politician should ever indulge. No vote is worth that kind of danger. The security of the blood supply system is something which should be fundamental to anything we say in this House. Any scaremongering which causes that confidence to be weakened and which may have effects further down the line is something we should avoid at all costs. There will be an opportunity next week in a very full debate on the hepatitis C report for all these points to be made and for the Minister, who is very anxious to answer the points made in recent days, to reply.
Senator Ormonde raised the question of the legislation on the school leaving age. That legislation will be debated in the House in the normal way. I will convey Senator Townsend's concerns on beet to the Minister. Senator Roche raised, as he has done on a number of occasions, the matter of Bloody Sunday. We also had an all party debate on that issue and it is clear that a judicial tribunal must be one of the options considered.
Senators Naughten and Enright raised the question of genetically manipulated foods. I would be prepared to allow time for that next session. Senator Farrell raised the question of straying horses. The Control of Horses Bill has been enacted and is in effect.
Senator Maloney raised a very important question, as did Senator Farrell, on the events in Dromore. For a short time at the weekend there was a ray of hope and a belief that sanity would prevail and that a headline could be set for people across Northern Ireland. Sadly, the old bigotry and intransigence seem to have intervened but let us hope that, even at this late stage, what would have been a copybook example may yet come into being.
Senator Kelleher raised a number of issues which would really be more appropriate to discussion on the Education Bill when it comes before the House. Senator McDonagh, apart from his well merited pride in his local hurlers, raised the question of VAT on hurleys. Many of us remember when this vexed issue put us under great pressure in the mid-1980s. Certain commitments were made then which, sadly, have not been honoured but perhaps we could look at the issue again.
Senator Daly raised compensation payments, on which I expect a full statement in the near future. I do not have the information for which Senator Kelly was looking. The broadcasting policy debate called for by Senator Cassidy may take place in the next session. Senator Lydon raised forms of dress. Senator Lydon is always impeccably dressed and gives this side of the House no cause for concern so he can rest easy. The matter raised by Senator Fahey would be better discussed on the Adjournment.
Order of Business agreed to.