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Seanad Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 22 Apr 1999

Vol. 159 No. 2

East Timor Conflict: Statements.

I am thankful for the opportunity to speak on this important matter. The Seanad will be aware of my visit over the past week to Indonesia and East Timor. Although I have always followed developments relating to East Timor closely, I was not prepared for the full horror which confronted me when I visited Dili, East Timor's capital, last Saturday. My experiences there brought home to me the brutal fact that the suffering of the Timorese people has been continuing for nearly 24 years, ever since the illegal invasion of their territory by the Indonesian army in 1975. It is time for the international community to insist that this suffering must at last come to an end and that the people of East Timor ought finally be allowed to exercise their right to self-determination in a free, open and peaceful manner.

In keeping with commitments which I made to the Oireachtas over the past year, the main purpose of my visit to Jakarta and Dili was to express my solidarity with the cause of the people of East Timor. I also travelled there to seek the release of the resistance leader, Mr. Xanana Gusmao, whose outstanding qualities have made him a force for moderation and a leading spokesman for the Timorese people in recent years.

I also pay tribute to the East Timor Ireland Solidarity Campaign for its outstanding work in recent years, ensuring the issue of East Timor received the attention it deserves from Members of the Oireachtas and the Irish people in general. Particular credit is due to the dedicated work of the leader of the campaign, Mr. Tom Hyland.

I arrived in Jakarta last Thursday, 15 April. My first meeting was with Mr. Ali Alatas, the Indonesian Foreign Minister, the following morning. During this meeting we covered a wide range of bilateral and international issues in a detailed, substantive and frank manner. I am happy to say that on many of these issues we shared similar views. The main focus of the meeting, however, was on the subject of East Timor. Mr. Alatas explained in detail the approach which Indonesia would take at the next round of the tripartite talks with Portugal which are being resumed today under the aegis of the UN Secretary General in New York. He expected that these talks would be concluded successfully and that the method of consulting the people of East Timor on Indonesia's autonomy proposals would be on the basis of universal suffrage. Details of the pre cise formula are, however, still under negotiation in New York.

I sought from Mr. Alatas assurances concerning the release of the Timorese resistance leader, Mr. Xanana Gusmao, who is currently being held under house arrest in Jakarta. Regrettably, the Foreign Minister could only respond that his release would take place in the context of an overall agreement. He conceded, however, that Mr. Gusmao could in the meantime be part of the negotiating process and that either he or his appointees could take part in inter-communal discussions in Dili involving, among others, the Indonesian Human Rights Commission and the two bishops in East Timor, Bishop Belo and Bishop do Nasciento.

Later that day, I met Mr. Gusmao at his place of detention in Jakarta. He spoke of the deterioration in the situation in East Timor which was clearly a matter of great distress to him since the Liquisa massacre on 6 April. He explained the background to his statement of that day – which had been interpreted by some as a renewed call to arms – and his subsequent clarifications. He reiterated his desire for a ceasefire by all parties in East Timor and expressed his deep distress at the recent murderous activities of the pro-integration militias. He strongly suspected that these militias were acting with the support and encouragement of the Indonesian armed forces in the territory.

The following day, 17 April, I travelled to Dili, the capital of East Timor. I was shocked and horrified by what I encountered there, as was my party. My first meeting was with the military commander, Colonel Tono Suratman. It was clear that he was aware fully of the activities being carried out throughout the territory by the pro-integration militias but it was evident that he was making no effort to curb their rampaging or to protect the ordinary citizens of the territory from their brutal behaviour. Lorry loads of armed militia drove directly past his residence during my meeting with him.

Shortly afterwards, a prominent local citizen, Mr. Manuel Carrascalao, came in great distress to the commander to report that his house was being attacked by the militia and that his 17 year old son had been wounded. As it transpired from later developments, it is clear the commander took not the slightest action to calm the situation, nor did he demonstrate any willingness or sense of responsibility to act in support of the civil power – in so far as any existed – in order to maintain law and order and to protect the lives and property of citizens.

I was appalled by my meeting with the Indonesian appointed Governor, Mr. Soares. This official was quite adamant that he put no store by what the Indonesian Government might agree with Portugal and the United Nations. He said that he would countenance only the implementation of an autonomy plan and that there should be no consultation on it, no matter what the Indonesian Government might agree inter nationally. It was clear that for him "autonomy" meant acceptance of Indonesian sovereignty in East Timor, in other words, integration. He further stated that, if autonomy was rejected and the consultative assembly in Jakarta voted to part ways with East Timor, he would continue to fight for the integration of the territory, or at least part of the territory, with Indonesia. This might lead to some form of partition.

My next meeting was with the Nobel laureate, Bishop Carlos Belo. The bishop was dismayed by the army's apparent reluctance to defend civilians against murder. He believed that efforts were being made to pre-empt the consultation process, through a campaign of intimidation and terror, in order to force people to vote for integration. He believed that the leaders of the pro-independence groups were being targeted for murder so that their followers would be left leaderless. He believed that a free and fair consultation could not be held in the existing climate of violence and that a UN presence, coupled with the disarming of the militias, was, therefore, an immediate necessity. The bishop also noted that regular shipping services from Surabaya had ceased and that food and medicines were becoming scare. He believed this was an attempt to demonstrate to the East Timorese the likely consequences of independence.

While I was meeting with Bishop Belo, our discussions were interrupted by the sudden arrival in a state of enormous distress, of Mr. Carrascalao to announce that his son had just been killed by the militia. A few minutes later, his daughter, also in extreme distress, came to say that her brother had been murdered and the militia were attacking others. It transpired subsequently that they were murdering others while we spoke with the bishop.

I also met several aid workers during my visit to Dili. They supplied details of the attack by the militia on Mr. Carrascalao's house where more than 150 refugees had been sheltering. We now know that a number of these refugees were killed. The fate of others who were taken away by the militia is still unclear. The aid workers had also witnessed attacks by the pro-integration militia on a local market. In each case they saw army and police units standing by but not making the slightest attempt to protect the unarmed civilians. They had also seen army units cheering the trucks of armed militia as they drove past the army posts. The aid workers also believed that it was Governor Soares, who had earlier addressed a rally of the pro-integration militias outside the official government buildings, who had encouraged them to proceed with their murderous rampages and attacks.

When I returned to Jakarta I telephoned Foreign Minister Alatas to inform him of what I had seen and heard during my visit to Dili. Mr. Alatas expressed his regret and sought to explain the events in terms of the long-standing divisions within East Timor. He promised that the Minister of Defence and Chief of Staff, General Wiranto, would travel to East Timor this week to investigate the situation on the ground.

I also spoke to the UN Secretary General, Mr. Kofi Annan, and to my colleague the Portuguese Foreign Minister, who kindly phoned me to inquire about my safety and that of my party. I informed them of what had occurred and of my deep concerns. I subsequently contacted the US Secretary of State, the Australian Foreign Minister and others. I also briefed the EU Ambassador in Jakarta on the afternoon before I left.

I reiterated my concern when I met the Indonesian President, Mr. Habibie, on Monday, 19 April. He assured me that Indonesia fully intended to go ahead with the tripartite talks in New York this week. He also said that he had asked the Red Cross and the National Commission for Human Rights, together with two Timorese bishops, to help calm the situation and to establish the facts. He repeated to me the options that Mr. Alatas would be putting forward in the tripartite talks – after they had been approved by his Government. He stressed that the people of East Timor should have the option themselves either to stay with Indonesia or to separate from Indonesia "in peace and honour".

The president added that Indonesia would be willing to accept, in addition to a UN presence, the involvement of a number of other countries in observing the implementation of the consultative process. External involvement, alongside that of the UN, is desirable. I hope if this is agreed that the EU could also be collectively represented. I pressed for the presence of UN peacekeepers. However, President Habibie said that this would not be acceptable to him.

I subsequently had a meeting with the Indonesian Defence Minister, General Wiranto. He left a cabinet session on East Timor to meet me and said he would visit East Timor the following day. He intended to meet Bishop Belo, pro-integration groups and the Governor. He said he would do everything possible to calm the situation. He also said he would meet local officers and discuss how to keep peace on the island.

It is reported that General Wiranto arranged a ceasefire agreement in Dili yesterday and that the militia will now lay down its arms. While some scepticism has been expressed about whether this ceasefire will be honoured, I hope it marks a step in the right direction. Sadly, it is also reported that five more people died on the island yesterday and it is clear that tension remains very high.

My visit to Indonesia and East Timor was at times a shocking experience. The right of the East Timorese people to exercise self-determination in a free, open and peaceful manner has been challenged directly. It is essential that further bloodshed is avoided and that some level of stability is restored to the territory. For that reason it is essential to establish some form of UN presence at the earliest possible date. An early and positive conclusion of the tripartite talks should facilitate this. The onus will then be on Indonesia to implement in good faith whatever may be agreed between the parties in New York.

The Government is committed to doing everything it can to promote a peaceful transition in East Timor. I will raise this issue with my EU colleagues at the General Affairs Council in Luxembourg next Monday. Since my visit the EU has issued – with our support – a strong statement on the latest developments and has also made a follow-up approach in Jakarta. We are considering what contribution we can make nationally at present. If a UN presence is agreed and it is one to which we can contribute then it will be considered favourably.

We are also examining how we can support the work of Irish NGOs. They make an exemplary contribution to whatever country they visit. They are brave and courageous people and they work for courageous organisations. For example, the Department has recently approved financial aid for a project, to be managed by Trócaire, to assist the people of East Timor in the area of conflict resolution and the mediation of disputes. Some aspects of this project would draw on our experiences in Northern Ireland and the lessons we have learned there of the clear need to draw all elements of the community into the peace process. We also stand ready to provide whatever humanitarian assistance we can to alleviate the suffering of the East Timorese. It is the least we can do considering our current circumstances, our history and traditions.

I welcome the Minister and thank him for his detailed report on his visit to Indonesia and East Timor. I compliment him on undertaking such a trip and on the number of meetings he held with a variety of people on all sides. I also compliment him on the information he succeeded in extracting from them. It is highly commendable that the Minister, Deputy Andrews, a senior foreign minister within the EU structure, undertook such a trip. I wish him good luck with the further meetings and contacts he makes with EU ministers, the UN and with everyone he can influence in order to seek a satisfactory resolution to this problem.

The Minister outlined clearly what he witnessed and it is shocking. It corresponds with independent media reports by journalists, particularly Conor O'Clery from The Irish Times. The Minister gave a detailed report of his meetings with the aid workers, Colonel Suratman, Mr. Soares and Bishop Belo. During his meeting with Colonel Suratman a man called Mr. Carrascalao joined them and explained that his son had been injured. Later his daughter arrived and informed all present that her brother had died. Few government ministers or people in such positions witness such first hand evidence. The Minister's position is now very credible. His voice can be relied upon internationally and he should be listened to. He holds a very high moral standing and he can talk confidently about this issue around the world at every level. He has done good work during this trip and I urge him to continue doing so. He used his position in a constructive and positive manner.

The Minister made reference to the tremendous work carried out by the East Timor Ireland Solidarity Campaign, led by Mr. Tom Hyland. That organisation has worked hard to ensure the Department of Foreign Affairs, the public and Members of the Oireachtas have been well advised and informed. Mr. Hyland has kept this issue to the forefront. If there are in other countries proponents of this cause as effective, determined and committed as he is, I am confident the international community will come together to ensure the East Timorese succeed in securing their right to self-determination. One must question the sincerity of the announcement by the Indonesian Government to allow a democratic referendum to take place in July. It is apparent that the pro-independence people are being targeted and many of them have been murdered. Conor O'Clery of The Irish Times believes this is being done with the support of the Administration and the Indonesian Army. Other reports concur with that opinion.

It is important that we keep a close eye on events. There is intimidation of people who want independence, freedom and to establish their own administration. These people are being intimidated so that they will be afraid to vote for pro-independence candidates. This is an insidious practice which must be condemned and Members of this House have a responsibility to do so. The Minister is doing everything he possibly can but the Timorese people are being left without some of their most effective leaders, which is dangerous. I do not know what the Minister can do to address this danger between now and July. However, he can speak loudly and confidently at all levels about what is taking place.

It appears that an agreement between the various parties was drafted yesterday but we do not know how sound this will be. It is important that those who seek independence are not intimidated between now and July. They should be able to vote freely and should not be conditioned to fear voting in a particular way in advance of casting their vote. I hope the election in July is monitored properly and I am pleased that monitors from the EU and Australia, under the auspices of the UN, will be in place.

I want to put on record my compliments and thanks to the Minister for his work during his recent visit. I urge him to continue this work. He said that in the meantime Mr. Gusmao could be part of the negotiating process. I hope the Minister continues to keep in contact with the Indonesian authorities to ensure Mr. Gusmao is part of the negotiating process.

We welcome the Minister frequently to the Seanad but on this occasion, it is a great pleasure to welcome him because something has happened as a result of his visit to East Timor which would not otherwise have happened. This must go on the record. We have debated the problems of East Timor in the Seanad on many occasions. Senator Norris started the debates – prior to that we hardly knew where East Timor was. When debating issues one often believes that nothing will happen. However, it is only by continually highlighting problems throughout the world that things can and will happen. The Minister's visit to East Timor is evidence of this.

The Minister met a number of people during his visit. One of the key phrases in his statement is that General Wiranto came out of a session of the cabinet on East Timor to meet him. This would have been unthinkable a short time ago. General Wiranto then flew to East Timor to see what he could do. The Minister also expressed his concerns to President Habibie. It is important that what he did is noted because he probably prevented major loss of life in the territory last weekend. Up to 30 Timorese people lost their lives when Indonesian backed paramilitaries went on the rampage.

I am convinced that the actions taken by the Minister, Deputy Andrews, in Dili and Jakarta have had a significant international impact. He has helped to prevent a major humanitarian catastrophe. The statements issued in recent days by world leaders are a direct result of the Minister's intervention. There have been statements from the European Union; the United Nations; the UK; the Australian Prime Minister, Mr. Howard; the US State Department and the Japanese Parliament. These would not have been made but for the Minister's visit. This is amazing and should be noted as such.

The Minister met Mr. Xanana Gusmao. He also met Mr. Saores whose intentions are nothing short of frightening. However, I hope something will come of this meeting. When the Minister was meeting with Bishop Belo he was interrupted by Mr. Carrascalao who told him what was happening. He contacted the UN Secretary General, the Portuguese Foreign Minister, the US Secretary of State, the Australian Foreign Minister and others.

I wish to record a tribute to the Minister. It was a personal decision taken by him to visit East Timor. He was absolutely right to bring not only his advisers, but also to bring Mr. Tom Hyland whose work we honour in this House. This was an important visit, not because these things can be stopped, but because a witness from the West was watching and observing what was taking place. I agree with Senator Lydon that the presence of the Minister for Foreign Affairs undoubtedly helped to save lives and the Minister, Deputy Andrews, can say that there are people living who, had it not been for his presence, would not be alive today.

The Minister's speech is fascinating because the language is very strong and undiplomatic. He was not prepared for the full horror of what happened. Although intellectually aware of the problems, he said that he was appalled by his meeting with the Indonesian appointed Governor, Mr. Soares. Apparently he was right to be appalled. Reports from credible journalists in recent months have indicated that this man is swearing in members of the militia and is responsible for switching the violence on and off. The most significant comment in this morning's article in The Irish Times about the so-called peace accord is that Mr. Soares has the capacity to switch the violence on and switch it off and that it is not a naturally occurring phenomenon.

I wish to place on record what I would like to see happening. First, the Minister is 100 per cent correct in respect of a possible UN presence in East Timor. We must use every available method to ensure that a UN monitoring and peacekeeping mission, in which Irish personnel can be involved, is put in place. That is the one thing which will inhibit the violence of the militias. There should be an immediate cessation of the provision of military experts from the European Union to the Indonesian regime. It is intolerable that arms continue to be exported from the EU to that regime, which is morally and politically responsible for events in East Timor. The horrible reality appears to be that Mr. Soares, the governor, is completely out of control and is prepared to break international agreements, to state that they are meaningless and that what he wants goes. The Indonesian authorities must be held responsible.

Material that is currently being collected should be referred ultimately to a war crimes tribunal. In my opinion such a tribunal should be established to deal with those responsible for the terrible crimes perpetrated in East Timor. The Australians, who collaborated with the Indonesian regime, ought to immediately revoke their recognition of East Timor. In view of the fact that their Foreign Minister has admitted that 70 per cent of the population of East Timor, including Indonesian born residents, want independence, if the Australians have any decency they should revoke their recognition. We should transmit that demand to the Australian Ambassador to Ireland.

I do not have time to discuss the reports in The Irish Times in great detail but we must consider the pattern that emerges from them. On 7 April it was reported that 45 refugees were massacred in a church by the militia. On 9 April it was reported that Mr. Carrascalao visited Ireland and met the Minister for Foreign Affairs and others and requested an international boycott on Indonesian goods. Mr. Carrascalao's nephew was slaughtered while the Minister was discussing matters with Bishop Belo in Dili. On 10 April it was reported that a massacre had taken place in Liquica. It is interesting that after this massacre, red and white Indonesian flags were raised on the surrounding buildings and houses and the people there informed Jenny Grant, a reporter for The Irish Times, that if they did not display these tokens they would also be massacred. This situation was deliberately created by the Indonesians in order to give make visible what they claimed was pro-Indonesian support, which it is not. The people are terrified and they are obliged to display such tokens in order to survive.

The Irish Times also carried reports of an attack on vehicles in Bishop Belo's convoy in which it was stated that the members of the militia shouted “You are dead” and “We will get you” at the aid workers and unarmed personnel accompanying the convoy. The Minister was very prudent when he referred to reports of the involvement of Soares in these events. Conor O'Clery made it clear in his article for The Irish Times when he stated:

The "coup" was completed on Monday when several hundred paramilitaries, including the longhaired leader of the feared "Thorn" outfit, Mr. Eurico Gutteres, were inducted into a "voluntary civilian security force" by Dili's regent, Mr. Domingos Soares, in the grounds of the governor's offices and assigned to "police" 26 sub-districts of Dili.

This morning information has been received that since the Minister's return yesterday, five more people were killed by the anti-independence Besi Merah Putih militia which attacked the town of Basartete, 30 kilometres south-west of Dili. In addition, up to 30 youths were detained by militias on Wednesday in Hera, five kilometres outside Dili.

The situation in East Timor is appalling. I honour and salute the Minister for the action he has taken. There is not much more I can say because he knows how I feel about this matter. This House unanimously supports what the Minister is doing. The record of this debate should be sent to the persons identified on the last occasion on which we debated this issue so that they can be made aware of our concern and the unanimous cross-party support in this House for the remarkable intervention the Minister made.

We should consider the respect in which the Minister is now held in East Timor and Indonesia, with people being dragged from Cabinet meetings to meet him. What a contrast to the response of Ali Alatas in New York when he informed Deputy Spring that his attitude was tantamount to a declaration of war. I salute the Minister and offer him any practical support we can give, particularly though the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs which, I am sure, will produce a resolution on this matter. Whatever support the Oireachtas can give, the Minister will receive. He is a brave man, we praise him for what he has done for the people of East Timor and for the honour of the people of Ireland.

I am conscious that this matter must conclude at 11.45 a.m. Given that Senator Ryan wants to contribute, I will be brief.

One could speak at length about this issue. I join with other Members in thanking the Minister for his intervention, by means of his visit to East Timor, and the fact that he put into tangible effect the succession of resolutions passed and statements made by this House in respect of East Timor's future. I also welcome the explicit language he used in his statement, which was not couched in the diplomatic niceties that sometimes tend to conceal the reality behind events such as those which have occurred in East Timor.

The Minister is a very powerful witness in international terms in verifying what we know to be happening in East Timor in terms of abuses of human rights, murders, etc. Apart from the fact that he placed himself and his party at considerable personal risk by travelling to East Timor to witness these events, speak to those directly involved and forcefully make his views known to the Indonesian authorities, the Minister followed up his visit effectively and quickly by contacting the Secretary General of the United Nations, the US Secretary of State and the Australian Foreign Minister and by briefing EU ambassadors in Jakarta. He has done an extraordinary amount of positive work in a short period.

The Minister's action arises from the determination and persistence of Tom Hyland and his colleagues in the East Timor Ireland Solidarity Campaign. It has been gratifying that in recent weeks further journalistic and televisual evidence of events in East Timor has emerged. We should not underestimate the power of the court of international public opinion in this matter. The more that can be done by the Seanad, the Minister and others to highlight what is happening in East Timor, the greater the likely effects will be.

The Minister made a point which is worth repeating in respect of the exercise of self-determination in a free, open and peaceful manner. We have been sceptical about announcements emanating from Indonesia in the past and we must now show caution and ensure that the forthcoming ballot is fair, open and free. It is evident that the paramilitaries backed by the Indonesian authorities are intimidating the population to such a degree that people will find it difficult to vote in favour of self-determination in a free and open manner. That must be our major concern. Those of us who monitor elections in other countries are always aware of the fact that there may be someone standing in the corner of a room who appears to be quite unattached from the polling, but whose presence can have a significant effect on the outcome of the poll. We need to be aware of that. There is also the issue of the rights of the East Timorese people to be involved in the negotiations. The Minister secured certain assurances in that respect, but they should have a direct role in these negotiations.

As to the UN presence, I am gratified by what the Minister had to say and I commend him on that. The preferred option would be a peacekeeping force, but that was not the commitment given by the Indonesian authorities. Anything that can be done to set up an independent verification system in East Timor that would be credible and highlight whatever abuses take place would be a step in the right direction. We would like to see a peacekeeping force there.

There are powerful vested economic interests at play in terms of the importance of the US and Indonesia in world trade and the question of oil in Australia. The Minister is well aware of those issues and he does not need me to remind him of them. I endorse what other Members said. The Minister did a very good day's work by going to East Timor and we thank him for that.

Mr. Ryan

I thank Senator Dardis for sharing his time with me. We should applaud the Minister for making a courageous diplomatic and personal decision. It is not usual for Foreign Ministers to go to a place like East Timor to express themselves in the language he used and to put himself and his party at risk of some personal hazard. It is not what Ministers do or, I am sure, what they are advised to do. Nevertheless, it was a courageous and correct decision, which is already showing signs of considerable fruit. His presence under horrific circumstances has moved the issue of what is happening in East Timor firmly up the international attention agenda. He has done that in terms of the international political and media attention.

I wish to add to Tom Hyland's blushes by adding my praise for his work to that of others. He is a formidable figure and will be part of the folklore of East Timor when it finally gets independence.

We should pursue the issue Senator Norris raised. The Minister is in a position of unique moral authority to turn to his EU colleagues and say there is something tainted about selling arms to a country like Indonesia, which for almost 30 years has been using those arms to suppress the people of East Timor. We could stop that now. It would not end anything, but it would be a statement. With that moral authority and having persuaded his colleagues in EU, the Minister could turn to the other great arms exporter of the world and say we expect no less from it. We expect a country that calls itself the leader of the free world to defend freedom and to stop selling arms. That would make a statement to the army in Indonesia, the most dangerous part of the equation. If permitted by the army, I believe the political system in Indonesia would move towards an accommodation and democracy, but by doing that the army in Indonesia risks losing an enormous amount of influence and perks. We need to bring our international moral authority to bear on the army. The most effective way to do that would be through an immediate move to stop selling arms and spares for existing arms and to say this must end. Our Minister has done an extraordinary job in bringing all of those things closer. I was very proud of him.

This is not something the Minister discovered when he became Minister. When he was languishing on the back benches in the Dáil for far too long, his commitment to issues of international human rights was well recorded. That commit ment has continued in office. I am sure we will disagree with him on many issues in the future as we have in the past, but nobody doubts his commitment. It has been demonstrated in the most effective fashion. We will all support his insistence that the people of East Timor should be protected adequately by whatever means necessary to enable them to make a free decision about their future without external interference or coercion from any side. I do not believe anyone doubts what that decision will be if it is allowed to be taken freely. When we want to find out what the people think on an issue, we hold a referendum. We fight, argue and disagree, but we recognise the decision that is taken is a free decision. We take that for granted, but we must ensure that happens in East Timor. Once a free decision is taken, we must use the resources of the international community to ensure the freely expressed wish of the people of East Timor is brought to fruition.

What the Minister did was a considerable, substantial and brave contribution for which he should be congratulated. He deserves our good wishes and I wish him well. I know he will continue to use the moral authority he has to make a difference in the next few weeks which are critical for East Timor.

I express my deep appreciation of the views of the Seanad and those of the contributors to this debate. I genuinely value their views and support. When this problem has been solved to the satisfaction of the people of East Timor, I would like to return here to give a further report. I am grateful for the opportunity Senators have given me to express my views on the matter.

Sitting suspended at 11.50 a.m. and resumed at 11.55 a.m.
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