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Thursday, 27 Oct 2005

Vol. 181 No. 12

Air Navigation (Eurocontrol) Bill 2005: Second Stage.

Question proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

I thank you, a Chathaoirligh, and the House for accommodating this Bill. Many people have asked me what the Bill is all about. In brief, the Air Navigation (Eurocontrol) Bill 2005 is all about improving and modernising Eurocontrol in air traffic management. The benefits to the commuter should be the prevention of airline delay, improved safety and integration with other European players. The main purpose of this Bill is to give effect to the International Convention relating to Co-operation for the Safety of Air Navigation signed at Brussels on 13 December 1960, as consolidated by the protocol signed at Brussels on 27 June 1997.

Eurocontrol, the European organisation for the safety of air navigation, was established by an international convention in 1960. The provisions of the 1960 convention were given effect in the Air Navigation (Eurocontrol) Act 1963. The formal accession of Ireland to the Eurocontrol organisation came into force on 1 January 1965. Membership of the organisation has continued to grow and has now reached 35 states, including all EU member states except Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. The accession of the European Community to Eurocontrol took place on 8 October 2002.

Eurocontrol is the European organisation for the safety of air navigation. It currently numbers 35 member states and has as its primary objective the development of a seamless, pan-European air traffic management system. The achievement of this objective is a key element to the present and future challenges facing the aviation community, which are to cope with the forecast growth in air traffic, while maintaining a high level of safety, reducing costs and respecting the environment.

Eurocontrol develops, co-ordinates and plans for the implementation of short, medium and long-term pan-European air traffic management strategies, and their associated action plans, on a collaborative basis. It is a collective effort involving national authorities, air navigation service providers, civil and military airspace users, airports, industry, professional organisations and relevant European institutions. Its core activities span the entire range of gate-to-gate air navigation service operations, from strategic and tactical flow management to controller training, from regional control of airspace to the development of leading edge technologies and procedures, and the collection of air navigation charges.

Since the 1960 convention a number of protocols have been adopted. Two of these dealt with tax provisions while the third protocol of 12 February 1981 was a multilateral agreement on route charges. This provided for a common policy and joint system for the establishment and collection by Eurocontrol, on behalf of the contracting parties, of en-route air traffic control charges in European airspace covered by the agreement.

The convention provisions and its subsequent protocols were given effect in Irish legislation by the Air Navigation (Eurocontrol) Acts 1963 to 1983. These Acts were subsequently repealed and the provisions of the convention and subsequent protocols given effect in the Irish Aviation Authority Act 1993. The Irish Aviation Authority is required under that Act to implement specific provisions of the Eurocontrol convention.

A revised Eurocontrol convention was concluded following several years of negotiation. The changes represent a major revision of the convention and are designed to update it to take into account progress made in the area of air navigation services. The final Act to the convention and the protocols amending and consolidating the text of the Eurocontrol international convention were signed by Ireland, subject to ratification, on 27 June 1997. The revised convention will come fully into force when it is ratified by all member states. To date 26 of the 35 member states have ratified it.

The amendments are designed to strengthen the co-operation between contracting parties via joint activities in the field of air navigation. These objectives do not prejudice the principle that every state has complete and exclusive sovereignty over the airspace above its territory, nor the capacity of each state to exercise its prerogatives with regard to security and defence in its national airspace.

The main provisions of the revised convention include the following: an updating of the objectives of the organisation, commensurate with its current and possible future activities; a new institutional structure for formulating and implementing the organisation's policy; an expansion of the tasks of the organisation to achieve a European air traffic management system; more effective decision making based on majority voting; and an enabling provision for European Community membership of Eurocontrol. At approximately the same time as the signature of the revised convention, EU member states agreed in principle to Community membership of Eurocontrol as the most appropriate way for the Community to exercise its competence in air traffic management. Negotiations between the European Commission and EurocontroI subsequently resulted in the text of an agreed accession protocol in 2002.

Signature of the accession protocol took place at a diplomatic conference held on 8 October 2002. Signature of the final Act and the protocol on the accession of the European Community by Ireland was approved by Government at a meeting held on 11 June 2002. This Bill contains a reference to the protocol in the definition of the Eurocontrol convention, which will allow Ireland to ratify the accession protocol. The accession of the European Community to Eurocontrol was the culmination of negotiations aimed at ensuring consistency between the two organisations as they work together to develop the European air traffic management system. This move was followed by the conclusion of a memorandum of co-operation between the two organisations in December 2003, establishing a framework for mutual co-operation and support in five areas, namely, the implementation of the single European sky, research and development, data collection and analysis in the areas of air traffic and environmental statistics, satellite navigation and international co-operation in the field of aviation.

It is important to explain what is meant in this context by the single European sky. The European Union's single sky and the revised Eurocontrol convention are deeply interlinked initiatives designed to tackle structural inefficiencies in European air traffic management. The approach represents, in many respects, a marriage of the technical expertise of Eurocontrol with the political and legal wherewithal of the Union. In the late 1990s the sharp rise in European air traffic led to substantial air traffic control delays. People here may have experienced such delays, but we hope to avoid them in the future. We manage traffic on the ground. Therefore, it is only right that we manage the growth in air traffic with our partners to avoid delays so that air passengers can travel safely without delay.

The delays experienced prompted the European Commission to launch its own initiative, with the issue in December 1999 of its communication on the creation of the single European sky. Significant progress has been made on the move towards implementing the single European sky policy, which attempts to reform the current air traffic management system. Air traffic management in Europe, with 73 air traffic control centres operating in the pan-European airspace, is fragmented and faces capacity constraints. An estimated 350,000 flight hours a year are wasted due to inefficient air traffic management and airport delays.

The European Commission has proposed a regulatory approach in the area of air traffic management with the objective of achieving a harmonised approach to safety, the regulation of air traffic services, technical interoperability of systems and airspace design and management at a European level. A key element of the institutional arrangements is the single sky committee which provides a mechanism for collaboration between member states' civil and military authorities on airspace allocation and use. The single sky is the best means of overcoming the current institutional and structural problems that exist in the European air traffic management system and offers an effective process for securing member states' compliance with agreed system improvements.

The single European sky initiative marks the beginning of a new dramatic and exciting chapter in European air traffic control. The development of the proposals is both a challenge and an opportunity for air navigation service providers to demonstrate in a practical way the greater efficiencies that can be obtained through the integration and development of services on a European scale while ensuring uniformly high safety standards throughout Europe. A single sky committee, chaired by the Commission, will oversee the preparation of implementing measures to establish the appropriate regulatory framework.

These proposals envisage Eurocontrol acting as the technical advisor to the single sky committee and playing a significant role in defining and developing rules in accordance with mandates given by the European Union. The Commission sees Eurocontrol reflecting the single European sky rules across its membership and therefore achieving some of the single sky objectives in the wider European sphere. At the same time, the intention is that the single sky committee would adopt Eurocontrol's own rules when these were considered appropriate. In this way, the synergies between the two organisations can be meaningfully developed.

The single European sky legislation has implications for the organisation and management of air traffic control services in Ireland and will require changes to the Irish Aviation Authority as service provider and regulatory authority for air navigation services. These developments and other evolving policies at international level give rise to the need for a critical examination of the structure and functions of the IAA, with a view to ensuring continuation of the highest safety standards, maximising organisational and operational efficiency and ensuring alignment with international and European air navigation and safety policies.

The single European sky regulations require that all air navigation service providers be certified. Certification encompasses air traffic services, meteorological services for air navigation, aeronautical information services and communications, navigation and surveillance services. Common requirements for the certification of air navigation service providers, when adopted, will cover a range of criteria including technical and operational issues. Air navigation service providers will also be required to demonstrate suitability in the areas of ownership and organisational structure and human resources, including adequate staffing plans and security.

These criteria provide the foundation for national supervisory authorities to certify service providers. Only validly certified air navigation service providers can then be designated to provide air traffic services on an exclusive basis within specified, constituent airspace blocks of the national airspace. The safety regulation division of the Irish Aviation Authority has been nominated as Ireland's interim national supervisory authority.

While Eurocontrol was previously almost exclusively concerned with air traffic management activities for the en route segment, the revised convention has considerably extended the scope of its activities to include the entire spectrum of air traffic services. These changes enable the following: the introduction of independent performance review and target setting; improvements to safety regulation; strengthened policy and planning for the airport air traffic system interface as part of the gate-to-gate concept; improved airspace design processes; improved standards making; the provision for common design and procurement of systems; enhanced research, development, trials and evaluation and more effective introduction of new technology; enhanced user consultation and/or involvement; and enhanced global co-operation and influence.

With the growth in air traffic and the expansion in membership, it was recognised that the previous unanimous decision-making structure was unwieldy. Under the revised convention, most decisions can be taken by a majority vote. The revised convention will enable Eurocontrol to pass binding decisions on contracting parties in the fields of air safety, which is seen as a significant step in the right direction towards a more harmonised and safer European air traffic management system.

Even though the revised convention will not come into force until all contracting parties have individually ratified it, contracting parties agreed to implement certain provisions of the revised convention early. These have included the expansion of the scope of the organisation's activities, establishment of the provisional council and advisory bodies to it and delegation of broader executive powers to Eurocontrol and its director general for the day-to-day running of the organisation. These important developments have enabled Eurocontrol to function more effectively.

The Commission sees Eurocontrol reflecting the single sky rules across its membership and therefore achieving some of the single sky objectives in the wider European sphere. At the same time, the intention is that the single sky committee would adopt Eurocontrol's own rules when these were considered appropriate. In this way, the synergies between the two organisations can be developed, which is the correct way to move forward. Eurocontrol can play an important role in bridging the gap between EU states, under the new ATM regulatory structure being devised under single sky, and the non-EU contracting parties and will also continue to act as the main technical support body for Europe's air traffic management industry.

The Bill amends the Irish Aviation Authority Act 1993 and also makes provision for related matters. Specifically, the Bill reflects changes in the management structure of Eurocontrol and provides for the making of regulations requiring the Irish Aviation Authority to comply with any conditions laid down for the operation of a common European air traffic flow management system at a common international centre. Eurocontrol already operates such a centre, the central flow management unit based in Brussels, which has worked well with national air traffic service providers over a number of years. Furthermore, the Bill provides that Eurocontrol officers may give evidence in Irish courts and also provides for such officers to carry out on-the-spot inspections.

Government policy on air navigation services is designed to ensure that Irish-controlled airspace is operated safely with maximum efficiency and effectiveness and that the highest internationally set and agreed safety standards are applied to the operations of Irish airspace and those using it. This policy is based on standards that are set internationally, mainly through the International Civil Aviation Organization convention to which Ireland is a signatory. Effect is given to this policy through the Air Transport and Navigation Acts and the Irish Aviation Authority Act 1993. Both Government policy and the development of these standards are designed to ensure continuing acceptable passenger and aircraft safety levels.

Having regard to the largely executive nature of air navigation and safety regulatory functions, the requirement to ensure that these remain responsive to market needs and the desirability of capitalising on its potential for additional commercial and employment opportunities, the Government assigned these functions to the Irish Aviation Authority in 1994. The Irish Aviation Authority has responsibility for regulating the technical and safety aspects of civil aviation and the provision of air traffic standards. In its regulatory capacity, it oversees the safety standards in the operation, maintenance and airworthiness of Irish registered aircraft, the Irish air navigation services, Irish airlines and aircraft maintenance organisations, the competency of Irish pilots and aircraft maintenance engineers and the operation of Irish aerodromes. In fulfilling its role, the Irish Aviation Authority operates to international safety standards and procedures as laid down by the International Civil Aviation Organization and all other European and international regulatory organisations.

I now turn to the main provisions of the Bill. Section 1 defines the 1993 Act as the Irish Aviation Authority Act 1993, while section 2 provides for miscellaneous amendments to the 1993 Act reflecting the new and more streamlined organisational arrangements within Eurocontrol and updating the penalties contained in section 74 of the 1993 Act. Section 3 provides for amendment of Part III (Eurocontrol Convention) of the 1993 Act to delete references to the statute of the agency and the multilateral agreement on route charges, which are incorporated into the new convention. This section also empowers the Minister to make regulations for the purpose of giving effect to the common European air traffic flow management system at a common international centre, specified in Articles 2(e), 7.2(d) and 19 of the new convention, and ensuring compliance with that system by way of random checks and inspections and evidence in proceedings. Eurocontrol already operates such a centre, the central flow management unit based in Brussels, which has worked well with national air traffic service providers over a number of years.

Section 4 repeals section 67 of the 1993 Act on detention of aircraft. Subsections (a), (b) and (c) of section 67 relate to the transfer of powers from the Minister to the Irish Aviation Authority set out in section 32 of the Air Navigation and Transport Act 1988. Section 32 was repealed by the Air Navigation and Transport Act 1998 so these subsections are already in fact redundant. Subsections (d) and (e) of section 67 of the 1993 Act comprise textual amendments to section 41 of the 1988 Act, which also relates to the transfer of powers from the Minister to the Irish Aviation Authority. I am advised that the repeal of section 67 of the Act of 1993 in its entirety does not now affect the status of section 41 of the 1988 Act, as amended by section 67. I hope Senators have been able to follow all of that. Section 5 is a standard legislative provision that provides for the Short Title while the Schedule reproduces the text of the consolidated Eurocontrol Convention.

I have been advised that the Air Navigation (Eurocontrol) Bill 2005 represents a progressive and pragmatic way of managing the European air traffic control network in an efficient manner. It will reduce journey times, increase efficiency and improve safety. I am happy to commend the Bill to the House. I look forward to the contributions and comments of Senators.

I welcome the Minister of State, Deputy Callely, to the House. He has been here quite often in recent weeks. I welcome the opportunity to speak on the important Air Navigation (Eurocontrol) Bill 2005, which for the most part I support. Its many positive aspects include its efforts to modernise air traffic management systems throughout Europe. It is crucial that we increase co-ordination between all Eurocontrol member states, not least because of the massive increase in the number of flights since the advent of low-cost air travel and the consequent increase in the numbers of landings and take-offs from airports across Europe.

Eurocontrol, which is the European organisation for the safety of air navigation, has a long history and has served Europe well in co-ordinating air traffic for over 40 years. It has 35 member states at present. Its primary objective is the development of European air traffic management. Eurocontrol develops, co-ordinates and plans the implementation of short, medium and long-term pan-European air traffic management strategies and associated action plans. It partakes in a collective effort that involves national authorities, air navigation service providers, civil and military airspace users, airports, industry, professional organisations and the relevant European institutions.

One of the most significant changes to the convention that is being made in the revised convention before the House is provided for in the article that allows for the expansion of Eurocontrol's authority to include airport taxiways and runways, as well as the areas which are en route. The article also provides for increased research and improved co-ordination of elements of air traffic management. The revised convention before the House will permit greater co-operation between Eurocontrol and other European institutions. It will introduce European air traffic management performance review and target-setting systems. It also strives to create a more efficient decision-making process within the Eurocontrol commission, based on majority voting and the reinforcement of co-operation between civil and military authorities. Eurocontrol has made important changes to its administrative and deliberative structures by allowing for the establishment of a provisional council, which will be the organisation’s central deliberative body. The council will be instrumental in implementing the expanded activities permitted under the revised convention.

The Common Market was established and expanded with the aim of creating a unified trading area within Europe. Similarly, Eurocontrol has attempted from its earliest days to unify Europe's air traffic management system. This positive development corresponds with the European ideal of encouraging closer co-operation in all aspects of life. The revised convention significantly expands the powers of Eurocontrol in many key areas. It will allow the organisation to improve its co-ordination of the actions of its contracting parties in crucial areas of air traffic management and to impose binding decisions on them. It is clear that this power of enforcement is one of Eurocontrol's most important powers, particularly when one considers the importance of ensuring that the safety of air travel is the paramount consideration and having a powerful watchdog to protect the flying public.

I hope the increased powers that the revised convention will give to Eurocontrol to assist it in its key role as the co-ordinator of European air traffic control will help to address Europe's worsening air traffic problems. Senators are familiar with the delays which are often encountered at this country's airports. We have not been helped in that regard by the Government's delay in making a decision on the construction of a second terminal at Dublin Airport. Air traffic delays are a tiresome burden for passengers, frustrate the expansion and efficient operation of airlines, lead to additional costs for airlines and create losses for the national economy. I welcome any legislation that helps to address such problems by facilitating better and more effective pan-European co-operation in air traffic management.

The unprecedented expansion in the business of low-cost carriers in recent years seems to have made air traffic problems worse. The European Commission has argued that some air traffic delays can be attributed to the manner in which airspace is organised in Europe. The Commission has argued that the problem is linked to European fragmentation along the lines of national boundaries. Such divisions make air traffic delays and air traffic congestion much worse than they need to be, thereby highlighting the need for better co-ordination and forward planning, services which Eurocontrol is best placed to provide. I agree with the Commission's statement that Europe cannot retain frontiers in the sky, given that it has abolished them on the ground in areas like free movement and free trade.

I would like to raise the broader but related issue of the EU's open skies deal with the US, which has been the subject of a great deal of discussion in recent months. I urge the Minister for Transport to make progress in respect of the deal and the renegotiation of the bilateral agreement with the US, which offers tremendous opportunities for Ireland. I do not believe we should lose out to other European states in that regard. I recognise that Shannon Airport is a particularly sensitive issue that has been discussed for some time. The problems in that respect need to be resolved to the benefit of Irish aviation growth.

I am very supportive of the broad outline, aims and objectives of the enabling legislation before the House. It has come to my attention, however, that the Bill in its present form raises concerns for some people within the aviation industry. I will endeavour to point out to the Minister of State the complicated problems encapsulated within the Bill. The main difficulty in the legislation relates to the collection of Eurocontrol charges, which are levied by the organisation if a member state airline breaches a regulation. The arrangements for the payment of such charges are set out in a 1981 agreement, which Ireland has signed. Ireland appears to have gone beyond what is required under the agreement, however, for reasons which I do not understand.

The 1981 agreement provides that if an operator fails to pay the Eurocontrol charges, each member state will give Eurocontrol the power to sue the operator to obtain the full payment. Ireland appears to have gone beyond the normal regulations by permitting Eurocontrol, under its enabling legislation, to detain or sell aircraft to enforce the payment of the charge. It also provides that Eurocontrol can seek payment from non-operators and allows preference to be given to outstanding Eurocontrol charges over other debts in the event of an operator becoming insolvent.

People within the Irish aviation sector have pointed out to me that the Irish Aviation Authority Act 1993 conflicts with the common collection process that was adopted by other Eurocontrol member states. They have argued that it distorts competition to the detriment of Irish interests, which seems arbitrary and unfair to Irish operators. I ask the Minister of State to explain the rationale behind the Irish provisions, which seem severe given that Eurocontrol has a 98% rate of recovery of such charges. Ireland is equally compliant with other countries so it does not explain why we have chosen to go beyond what is necessary under our convention obligations.

Indeed, Ireland has an almost exemplary record in regard to complying with Eurocontrol requirements. Since the introduction of the State Airports Bill 2004, we have gone further and permitted each of the State airport authorities to detain aircraft and sell them, regardless of ownership, to pay Eurocontrol in preference to other interests. This policy does not take into account that the operator and owner of aircraft are not the same in most cases.

We need to be careful to get the balance right and not unfairly penalise innocent parties to the detriment of the development of the Irish aviation sector. It could be off-putting to potential international investors in Irish aviation if we were to operate requirements more rigid than our European counterparts, when it is clearly not necessitated by our membership of Eurocontrol. Irish law as it currently stands permits Eurocontrol to take charges from innocent third parties, irrespective of guilt or innocence, either by way of the detention or sale of aircraft, which may only be leased by the operator. Such operators are not the party which takes the hit if the aircraft is ultimately sold to recoup the Eurocontrol charge.

There may even be constitutional issues in regard to the protection of property rights enshrined in Bunreacht na hÉireann. Until the enactment of the State Airports Bill in 2004, the Irish Aviation Authority exercised such powers on behalf of Eurocontrol. However, it rarely went so far as to seize the property of innocent third parties. This power of seizure and detention has now transferred to the three State airport authorities based in Dublin, Cork and Shannon, and there is a fear within the aviation sector that such reserve might not be so willingly exercised by these authorities in the future.

This is a complicated issue which I have done little more than briefly outline. However, I am sure the Minister's officials in the Department are well aware of this discrepancy in Irish law. To my knowledge Eurocontrol can bring proceedings to hold aircraft owners as well as operators liable, whichever is the most appropriate in the circumstances. This would appear to reduce the necessity for detention and seizure. Will the Minister of State explain why he believes this difference between Irish law and the method adopted by other Eurocontrol members is necessary? Will he consider amending the legislation to place the Irish aviation industry on a level playing field with other member states, who are also signatories of the Eurocontrol convention?

I welcome the Bill. I hope the Minister of State will address this issue on Committee Stage, if not today.

I will be happy to respond to the Senator on that issue.

I welcome the Minister of State to the House and welcome the introduction of the Bill in the Seanad. From my reading, the Bill is of a technical nature but, nonetheless, it is important and should come into force without delay. Any Bill dealing with safety is obviously of paramount importance and should be dealt with by the Legislature with the utmost speed.

The Bill will allow Ireland to ratify certain changes to the international convention which effectively established the European Organisation for the Safety of Air Navigation in 1960. As Senator Paddy Burke stated, it is not surprising that the convention would need to be updated because significant changes have occurred in the air transport and navigation sector in that period, particularly in terms of the growth of the industry, the greater number of aircraft in Europe, the increased number of flights and the increased number of passengers travelling. This growth in aviation is due to the significant growth of the economies of Europe, which makes us all better off, while globalisation has been a further significant factor.

While this growth is welcome, it brings certain difficulties for those organisations charged with the responsibility for ensuring that air navigation is carried out in a safe manner. The Minister of State clearly indicated to the House the wastage that takes place at present and the inability to get the best from the available airspace and air slots. However, if we ensure the Bill is put in place, we can move to a point where we can — I do not like to use the phrase — sweat the asset a little more. Despite what is thought about the size and scope of our skies, the number of flight paths is limited. It is important that proper management systems that cross individual state boundaries are utilised in an effective and efficient manner to ensure we continue to grow this sector in line with the growth of the economies across Europe and the world, and in particular to allow the continued globalisation to which we all refer.

It is agreed that safety is of paramount importance. Despite the large increase in aircraft movements and passengers travelling, air transport is thankfully the safest method of transport. This is highlighted by the carnage on our roads. If the numbers travelling on land are compared with those travelling by air, it is clear that, despite the complexities associated with aviation, air travel is safer than road travel. It is important that the highest standards are maintained to ensure that air travel remains at the top with regard to safety standards.

As an island nation, our dependence on air connectivity is of vital economic importance. Therefore, safety standards are essential. Real challenges are potentially emerging as more airlines compete for business. We know of the changes in the market, particularly in the past ten years but more specifically in the past three to five years, due to the emergence of the low-cost carriers, to which Senator Paddy Burke referred. However, low-cost cannot mean low safety standards. We must be clear on this point. The Government has a particular role to ensure through national legislation that safety standards are maintained despite the necessity to force down prices, costs and charges. This is being achieved through the aviation authority, Eurocontrol.

It is important the State does not facilitate a race to the bottom. In other sectors, we have heard the language used with regard to jobs. While we have lower costs and cheaper air fares, we must not force the industry to a point where safety is compromised. There are recent examples, with regard to which the Minister of State may be able to provide technical detail. The Greek carrier Helios regularly flies to and from Cyprus and operates charter flights to and from Ireland. Its passengers had real concerns about the safety of the airline for some weeks before one of its aircraft was involved in a crash. It is important that the desire of low-cost carriers to facilitate lower charges and ensure competition does not force them into a compromised position. While the outcome of the Helios investigation may not yet be known, if lessons are to be learned, the matter must be investigated, whether through Eurocontrol or the European Commission, to ensure that this race to the bottom in terms of cost does not mean a race to the bottom in terms of safety standards.

To deviate slightly, as a result of the lowering of costs, there is a desire to allow aircraft to land in a less expensive environment. This has led to a desire among some of our airport authorities to reduce the conditions of workers by outsourcing certain functions within airports. This is neither helpful nor necessary. There is still a capacity for airports, while reducing costs in line with the expectations of workers, to at the same time maintain a level of standards and quality of employment for all involved. Outsourcing is a quick fix solution which has serious repercussions for the future of employment. Cost-cutting must be also examined in how it affects the social fabric of the local community and region. Yellow pack jobs are in no way helpful for the morale or the wealth of a community. What is needed is a workforce open to real change. In recognition of changes in the aviation sector, the trade unions have a role in co-operating with management to ensure a reduction in cost bases. They must be prepared to enter negotiations to bring about cost reduction. However, management cannot force a situation of cost reduction through outsourcing. In co-operation with union representatives, bringing about changes in work practices will resolve some of the problems. In return, employees must take on these changes. Employers, in recognition of this, must pay a decent wage for a decent day's work. I ask the Minister of State to take an active role in defining policy in this regard, particularly with the recent establishment of the airport authorities in Dublin, Cork and Shannon.

I am familiar with these issues at Shannon Airport and I understand the same has arisen in the other airports. Management at Shannon Airport is proposing cost-cutting measures by outsourcing the catering division, effectively creating yellow pack jobs. Costs can be cut without doing this. The Government must carefully monitor this process to ensure a situation similar to that at Irish Ferries does not arise. While I accept Irish Ferries is not a State company, lessons can be learned from that experience.

All Members welcome low-cost carriers with the capacity to travel more freely and cheaply. However, the knock-on effects are significant. Carriers are making more profits in the lower cost environment. However, I do not want to see the workers carry the can for changes taking place across Europe. While the Bill does not specifically address the impact of these changes on employment, any legislation which deals with the aviation sector has the capacity to lead to changes in lifestyle of those providing the service. We must ensure there is no negative impact on their existence.

Eurocontrol does provide a good framework in which co-operation can take place across Europe. Senator Paddy Burke already mentioned that the European Commission is dealing with the open skies policy. Media reports indicate that the dual gateway policy is about to be changed. While Senator Paddy Burke would like this to happen sooner, I certainly do not want to see it expedited. I want to see it delayed, if possible, because it will have a significant impact on Shannon Airport. Some claim the only way to deal with this is when it occurs. Leaving the dual gateway status is the only way to deal with it. The incremental gain in tourism from transatlantic flights from a change to the dual gateway status will be of a limited nature. It will not compensate for the significant loss to the western seaboard. While there may be a small gain in passenger numbers on the east coast, the west will lose out. The Government will then have to put in place other measures to prop up the west's tourism industry. This will not be cost effective in the long term.

I want an economic impact study to be carried out on the ending of the dual gateway status, as has been proposed by several businesses in the mid-west region. I am not saying the outcome will be negative. Instead, it will set out the challenges from the drop in passenger numbers. It is then a matter of how we work back from that and put in place measures to ensure a decline in business in the region does not happen. The Government has good policies for decentralisation and balanced regional development. The dual gateway status provides for balanced regional development by ensuring direct transatlantic connectivity on a daily basis. It ensures the business community and the tourism services in the Shannon region are catered for. If the dual gateway piece is taken out of the jigsaw, the carriers will want to consolidate their efforts in one airport, namely, Dublin Airport. I would welcome any initiatives the Minister of State, Deputy Callely, can bring to bear on this matter.

I welcome the Bill, the speedy passage of which will be of immense benefit. It introduces an important framework for the delivery of a safe environment in air travel.

I welcome the Minister of State at the Department of Transport, Deputy Callely, and the Bill to the House. However, an issue I wish to raise is not covered in the Bill and I do not know if it can be included in its provisions. I have had complaints from individuals, which is the reason all politicians must act, about the use of private helicopters in suburban areas. There seems to be little in the way of legislation to control their use. The statutory instrument covering their use is Irish Aviation Authority (Aerodromes And Visual Ground Aids) Order 2000. On places of take-off and landing of aircraft, section 5(1)(d) states “in the case of a rotorcraft or balloon, not being used for public transport, any place where the aircraft may take-off or land without undue hazard to persons or property and in respect of which the owner or occupier shall have given permission;”.

When this order was introduced, there were only about a dozen private helicopters but now there are over 200. A few years ago, private helicopters were used by a few rich people and were not a public nuisance or hazard. Now, it is much more of a problem. Will the Minister of State address this matter in his reply? I realise it is only loosely connected with the Bill but it is an area that will become increasingly important. More and more people believe that a private helicopter is one of the most suitable methods of transport around the country, despite the splendid work you are doing, Minister, on the roads.

That is a valid point. I thank the Senator.

I remind Senators that remarks should be addressed through the Chair.

I join my colleagues in welcoming the Minister of State to the House and thank him for outlining in great detail the provisions of the Air Navigation (Eurocontrol) Bill 2005. I compliment Senator Henry on raising the important issue of the increasing number of helicopters using our airspace.

The Bill amends the Irish Aviation Authority Act 1993 and makes provision for related matters. Specifically, the Bill reflects changes in the management structure of Eurocontrol and provides for the making of regulations requiring the Irish Aviation Authority to comply with any conditions laid down for the operation of a common European air traffic flow management system at a common international centre. Eurocontrol, the European organisation for the safety of air navigation was established by an international convention in 1960. The provisions of the convention were given effect in the Air Navigation (Eurocontrol) Act 1963. The formal accession of Ireland to the Eurocontrol organisation came into force on 1 January 1965, which was also a momentous year for other reasons, which I will mention to the Minister in private. Membership of the organisation has continued to grow and now numbers 34 states, including all EU member states except Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.

The accession of the European Union to Eurocontrol took place on 8 October 2002. As the Minister of State outlined, since the 1960 convention a number of further protocols have been adopted. An additional protocol of 6 July 1970 concerned tax provisions. A protocol of 21 November 1978 amended the 1970 protocol. An amending protocol was adopted on 12 February on a multilateral agreement on route changes which provided for a common policy and joint system for the establishment and collection by Eurocontrol, on behalf of the contracting parties, of en route air traffic control changes in European air space covered by the agreement.

The provisions of the convention and its subsequent protocols were given effect in legislation under the Air Navigation (Eurocontrol) Acts 1963 to 1983. These Acts were subsequently repealed by the provisions of the convention and subsequent protocols given effect in the Irish Aviation Authority Act 1993, which the Minister referred to in detail. The final Act giving effect to the convention and the protocols amended and consolidated the text of the Eurocontrol convention and were signed by Ireland subject to ratification on 27 June 1996. The revised convention will fully come into force when it is ratified by all member states. To date 22 of the 34 member states have done so.

The revised Eurocontrol convention was concluded following several years of negotiation. The changes represent a major revision of the convention and were designed to update it to take account of progress made in the area of air navigational services. The main new provisions of the revised convention include an updating of the objectives of the organisation, a new institutional structure for formulating and implementing its policy, an expansion of the tasks of the organisation to achieve a European air traffic management system, more effective decision making based on majority voting and an enabling power for European Union membership of Eurocontrol. Many of the provisions of the revised convention do not require legislative changes as they are already provided for in existing legislation or relate to administrative arrangements for the operation of the Eurocontrol agency.

In the late 1990s the sharp rise in European air traffic led to substantial air traffic control related delays, to which the Minister of State referred. Some colleagues have experienced such delays recently. This prompted the European Commission to launch its own initiative in December 1999 with a communication entitled The Creation of the Single European Sky. This proposal envisaged Eurocontrol acting as a technical adviser to the single sky committee and playing a significant role in defining and developing the rules.

I will raise two points with the Minister of State. First, what additional costs will arise to the State from the passing of this legislation? Second, we do not have an airport in Cavan so we must use the airport in Dublin. To get there we have to use the road. I thank the Minister of State for the work he and Minister for Transport, Deputy Cullen, are doing on progressing the N3. This road is very important to the people living in Cavan, Meath and north Leitrim who need to get to Dublin, whether for the airport or for work. I urge him to keep pressing to get this road under construction as quickly as possible. We will discuss the rail link to Cavan at a later date.

If the road is wide enough it might serve as a runway.

I welcome the Minister of State and compliment him on bringing the Air Navigation (Eurocontrol) Bill 2005 before this House. I commend him on his presentation of the Bill which will receive the full support of the House, because it is of vital importance. We have a proud record on air navigation and the work carried out by his officials is effective. They provide a wonderful service.

I will outline developments at the former Knock Airport, now called Ireland West Airport, Knock, having been rebranded last Monday. The first flight landed at and took off from the airport 20 years ago, with Rome its destination. It was a historic occasion which I wish to put on record in this House. May 2006 will be the 20th anniversary of the official opening of Knock Airport by the then Taoiseach Mr. Charles J. Haughey. A combination of the leadership of Mr. Haughey and Monsignor James Horan brought about one of the greatest infrastructural developments in the west of Ireland and indeed the country.

The fact that we have an international airport of the standard and quality of Ireland West Airport, Knock, has contributed enormously to the economy of the west. Some 500,000 passengers are now recorded annually, which is a marvellous achievement in such a short time. Projections for the future are substantial. At present, users of the airport contribute an inbound tourism spend in the region of €7.1 million. There was a direct contribution of €6.5 million by Knock to the GDP of 2004 and a contribution of €30 million from the tourism spend in the region. The Exchequer received €5.4 million in income tax and PRSI and there were 500,000 tourism bed-nights in 2004. Some 110 people are directly employed and 580 jobs are supported in the wider local economy. Those represent impressive progress for the airport.

I ask the Minister of State for further investment in the airport. The management estimates it requires some €22.9 million for navigational aids and ATC, runway and apron upgrades, terminal works, fire and ramp services, baggage and security, catering and retail services, car parks, IT and CCTV cameras. The CAT 11 navigation aid provides the means to land aircraft in lower levels of visibility. It is a navigational aid for the airport itself. Navigation status is not available in the Border, midlands and west region and if the region is to reverse its deficiency in direct airport access then CAT 11 or CAT 111 status in the region is vital. Knock Airport represents the most viable and realistic opportunity to achieve that. The cost of the perimeter fencing and all other requirements will be included in the estimates.

The extension of the apron to the end of the runway, the significance of which the officials present will realise, will also provide additional safety. The apron is part of the aerodrome where aircraft park and passengers disembark. Currently there are two official aircraft parking stands at the airport. The airport currently suffers from acute ramp congestion with scheduled aircraft such as Easyjet regularly having to hold in the air or on the runway as it waits its turn for a stand on the apron. The funding referred to above would provide the airport with four aircraft parking stands. I was in the Minister of State's Department for a short period of nine months around the time when Knock Airport, or Ireland West Airport as it is now known, was being built. I was delegated responsibilities by Mr. John Wilson, who was a Minister at the time, and I concentrated on the post office services.

We are very proud of Ireland West Airport, Knock, a flagship project in the region. A programme on its history was shown a few days ago on television. Some Opposition Members must cringe when they remember the foggy and boggy site.

Hear, hear.

It was one of the more damaging political decisions made by that Government at the time.

We put the money into the project. We hope the present Government will carry out its aims and secure the money that is now required.

The Senator without interruption.

Mr. Paddy O'Toole, a Minister at the time, paid the price in Ballina, and Senator Jim Higgins, now an MEP, was rewarded with a seat in Leinster House. The decision had many repercussions. When I attended the rebranding of the airport, there was a great feeling of satisfaction from Fianna Fáil in that the party was part of this particular history.

The party has let the same people down in the past number of years. They are seeking money and it is not being provided.

People such as Pádraig Flynn, Albert Reynolds and Charles J. Haughey played their part.

Senator Leyden had some part in it also.

I was present the day the invitation arrived from Monsignor James Horan to the then Leader of the Opposition. The invitation stated that Monsignor Horan would yield to nobody but the Pope in Rome. The Pope had visited the country in 1979. Our party was in Opposition at the time, and I was the spokesman for posts and telegraphs. We have a very proud record——

The Senator was all talk. No money was provided at the time and no money is being provided now.

Senator Burke needs somewhere to land a helicopter.

I will park it at the Minister's door.

I ask the Minister of State and his officials to take on board this submission. We have his goodwill and that of the Minister for Transport, Deputy Cullen, and the Taoiseach. The Minister for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs, Deputy Ó Cuív, has brought his Department to Knock, which is a great achievement for the Government. We should announce it more often as due recognition is not being received.

The Government has got enough already. It is on a merry-go-round.

I welcome this Bill and will use this opportunity to explain a personal interest in it. The last time an air navigation Bill came before this House I was a spokesman on transport. I broadly welcomed the Bill because it increased passengers' rights, etc. Last June I returned from a wedding in Rome, flying with Aer Lingus. The aircraft's departure was delayed, and my experience of complaint since has been a nightmare. I have received no compensation apart from a €100 Aer Lingus voucher. The aeroplane that was coming from Dublin was diverted to Gatwick Airport for safety reasons, as there was a smell of gas on it. It later transpired that the smell was from sweets being consumed. The aeroplane was delayed in Gatwick which led to a delay in it arriving in Rome.

Is this relevant to the Bill?

It is relevant from the perspective of air navigation, and it is at least as relevant as a discussion on Knock Airport. When the last air navigation Bill was in the Seanad, it promised better rights for passengers. This has not come about, and there is no co-operation between flight operators and passengers.

Returning to my experience, the aeroplane was due to fly out at 7 p.m. on a Saturday evening but we finally returned to Ireland at 2 p.m. on the Sunday. There was chaos in between, with no accommodation being offered. It did not affect me that much as I am quite young and can take some rough and tumble. If I can survive political life here I can survive sleeping on the floor of an airport for a few hours. However, some affected people were in their 70s. Even worse, mothers with young children were also affected, and I do not know how they did not crack up completely.

Those affected were given no information to begin with and any information that was received afterwards was complete misinformation. It was akin to a scene from "Fawlty Towers" as nobody was in charge or knew what was happening. Being entitled to compensation, I should have received a full refund of my fare and compensation of €400. This has not occurred. When I telephoned the Department of Transport I received some helpful advice. I wrote to the customer care section of Aer Lingus, which in my experience is an oxymoronic description. No policy seems to exist for customer care in the company. At the moment one cannot telephone Aer Lingus to complain as it will not take calls. The company will not reply to letters. This is a point that the Minister of State should take up with the head of Aer Lingus. There is nothing more unsatisfactory and frustrating for a customer than being unable to get a reply from a company.

As Aer Lingus did not acknowledge my letters, I contacted the Department to get information on the relevant Bill and the increased rights for consumers. I was told that my complaint must be registered with the country in which the incident happened. I wrote to the air navigation section in Rome Airport and still have not received a reply. So far, all I have received is a voucher from the incident, and I have had no other acknowledgement of my case. This should not happen.

If customers travel by aeroplane, they should receive what they are promised. I am only highlighting my own personal case because I am familiar with it. It applies to other people, and there were 300 or 400 other people on the aeroplane journey I described. Some of these people have not received compensation. We wonder why the public is so sceptical about the European Union, but what I have described is a case in point. The aeroplane was diverted, the airline was liable and compensation should have been paid accordingly. This never happened.

I ask the Minister of State to take the case up with Aer Lingus. At this stage the monetary compensation is not relevant, but the principle is. It is ridiculous that I had to wait almost 24 hours at that time.

I have some good news for the Senator.

It is well and good passing these Bills, but if the legislation is not put into practice we are merely wasting time. I am not sure if more amendments are being brought forward but the Minister of State should bear in mind my comments. If talks are to be held at EU level, questions should be asked about how legislation is working in practice. It has not worked, and I can give the Minister of State the documentation from my experience as proof.

I thank the Senators contributing to this debate and I have carefully noted the issues raised. I hope I will be able to respond adequately. If I do not, I invite the Senators to write directly to me on any issue which I do not have sufficient time to clarify now.

It is important to understand the stage we are now at and the manner in which we are moving forward on the issue. For example, over the past decade air traffic growth has topped 50%. It is clear this trend will continue. Europe has close to 9 million flights per year, and there are up to 30,000 flights on busier days. Eurocontrol expects that current traffic will double by 2020. Current systems, with ongoing improvements, should be able to handle this increased load until approximately the middle of the next decade. After this more radical measures will be called for to avoid serious congestion.

I have visited a number of our own centres under the control of IAA. I have been impressed with the level of technology now in place within these centres, and we are able to accommodate today's capacity. Other measures may be required in future.

The single European sky initiative is expected to lay the foundations of a unified system which will be able to cater for the anticipated growth as well as bringing other benefits arising from the positive aspects of such a unified system. The initiative launched by the European Commission aims to restructure European airspace as a function of air traffic flows, rather than according to national borders. Hence, it will designed to facilitate air traffic to get from A to Z in a much quicker and seamless system. Instead of being obliged to deal with the 73 air traffic control centres mentioned, a seamless system will be in operation.

The initiative's purpose is also to create additional capacity and increase the overall efficiency of the air traffic management system. Eurocontrol has considerable expertise and experience in these fields which will be applied to make the single European sky initiative a reality. The revised convention seeks to provide a more effective air traffic management institutional policy and decision-making structure for Europe, with the overall objective of increasing airspace capacity and, as I have noted, reducing air traffic control delays.

The pressure for change came from a number of sources, particularly airlines' dissatisfaction with the failure to unify and centralise air traffic management in Europe. When implemented, the convention will provide for the necessary institutional reforms required to achieve a uniform European air traffic management system for the control of general air traffic in European airspace as well as in and around airports.

I will try to deal with the issues raised by Members. My good friend Senator Browne referred to an issue that is of concern to many passengers whose experiences have been similar to his. I understand a number of the Senator's colleagues in the Fine Gael Party have also had this experience. The Senator might mention to Deputy Deasy that he made a great mistake. If I had been invited to the Deputy's wedding in Rome, I would have ensured none of my colleagues in Fine Gael would have experienced any chaos, as the Senator put it.

The Minister of State must wait for the next wedding.

Will the Minister of State bring the Government jet with him?

I am unsure whether Senator Browne was referring to the chaos at the wedding or the airport.

It is hot air.

It is the chaos within Fine Gael. However, I am happy to extend an olive branch to Fine Gael Members. If they can secure an invitation to such functions for me, I will be happy to attend.

There were 400 people on the flight.

Senator Paddy Burke should note that, if necessary, I might even arrange to use the jet. It would be great if I could call on it to bring me to a wedding.

On a more serious note, since February, passengers have been automatically entitled to compensation from an airline in the event of delay, cancellation or denied boarding. In the first instance, it is a matter for the airline to fulfil its obligations to passengers regarding compensation and passengers should apply directly to the airline concerned for compensation.

That is a waste of time.

Equally, we have a Commission for Aviation Regulation, CAR. The statutory instrument which designated the commission was made in May. It designates the CAR as the authority responsible for enforcing the European regulation and receiving complaints from passengers who feel an airline has failed to meet its obligations under the regulations. I am in favour of user-friendly systems. In light of Senator Browne's contribution, I will ask my departmental officials to take up the issue with the CAR. One should not be obliged to take the course of action outlined by the Senator. Air passengers who experience problems on their journey and who feel their right to compensation has not been met by the relevant airline or tour operator should forward their complaint to the CAR or call the commission at (01) 6611700. That should resolve the matter. I am unsure whether the Senator did so.

I did that also.

If he did and it has failed, as Minister of State at the Department of Transport, I am disappointed, as is my Department. I will ask the CAR to respond. I ask in this House that a response be laid on my desk within three to five days on the issues raised by the Senator. This is not simply because the matter has been raised by him——

No. There is a principle involved.

——or because I mentioned Deputy Deasy's wedding in jest. In earnest, passengers should not be bounced from one authority to another and then asked to write to the authorities in Rome and so on.

As for Senator Leyden's comments in respect of Ireland West Airport, Knock, I welcome the successful development by the Knock authorities. It is a key infrastructural asset for economic and tourism development in the west. I travelled to the airport earlier this year and had the opportunity of meeting its general manager and chairman who brought some issues for which they had sought funding to my attention. I was happy that these were followed up and that within a couple of months they received the required moneys. I acknowledge that the need for major investment at the airport to promote growth has been identified. That is being proactive and how things should be.

I am a strong supporter of market-driven airport development, not only in Ireland West Airport, Knock, but in all our regional airports. I congratulate all the airport authorities which have developed their facilities. I fly on a regular basis to an airport in my own base of north Dublin, namely, the premier airport, Dublin International Airport. Equally, I congratulate the Cork Airport Authority which is undertaking an enormous investment programme.

I was asked about the cost of this measure and can state the passage of this Bill will not involve any additional costs. We contribute approximately €6 million to Eurocontrol which is recovered from the Irish Aviation Authority.

Senator Henry raised an interesting question, for which I thank her, about the operation of private helicopters. I raised the issue with my departmental officials before coming into the House. Senator Wilson has also raised the issue. A stringent and structured regime for the control of helicopters and their pilots is in place. Certain restrictions apply to the flight paths of helicopters. Equally, I understand there are exemptions as to when helicopters or light aircraft are obliged to communicate and obtain flight clearance, etc. I will ask my officials to note Senator Henry's comments — I know they have done so already — and to communicate the criteria that apply in respect of the use of helicopters to her. I agree with her observation that helicopters have become a regular mode of transport for a greater number. The Irish Aviation Authority is the responsible body regarding the operation of helicopters and applies the highest possible safety standards. I wish to discuss the issue of safety later, in respect of light aircraft and helicopters.

Senator Dooley touched on a number of subjects. I have noted his comments, particularly on outsourcing by aviation companies and the position of Shannon Airport. If one examines Shannon and some of its competing demands, such as the developments in Cork, to which I have alluded, Knock, Sligo, a number of other regional airports and Dublin Airport, there is an opportunity for it to develop on a regional basis in line with the others and attract its own market. Good work is being carried out in this regard. People such as Senator Dooley have great roles to play in leading the potential of likely developments.

With regard to safety regulation being a case of one size fits all, there is no question of low-cost carriers having lower standards of safety as stringent criteria are applied across the board. I will be unequivocal in this regard as I do not wish people to have a view that there is a difference in safety standards. I also wish to congratulate everyone involved in our aviation industry as, excusing the pun, they fly a tremendous flag for it, whether they are the operators in the sky or on the ground. We have a significant safety record due to the stringent protocols and procedures and very strict safety criteria in place. In international terms, we rank very well in this respect and, as such, I wish to congratulate the individual players, namely, the operators, pilots, hostesses and other staff involved in putting planes into the sky and the mechanical, technical, airport authority, ground and support staff involved, whether one is discussing anything from light aircraft or helicopters to companies such as Aer Lingus, Ryanair, Aer Arann and other Irish operators. The small number of cargo companies operating out of Ireland also have good safety records.

As such, safety is paramount in aviation and a central element of the revised convention is ensuring the highest practical safety standards are maintained while maximising the capacity of the air traffic management, ATM, system. The implementation of safety standards in Ireland is clearly the responsibility of the Irish Aviation Authority, IAA, which falls under my responsibility as the Minister of State at the Department of Transport. I meet with the IAA whenever it deems suitable. It knows that my door is always open and I have a good rapport with it. I congratulate Mr. Eamonn Brennan of the IAA and his staff, as I am impressed with their commitment, dedication and enthusiasm in going about their business. I have visited a number of the IAA's centres and have been impressed at every level.

Senator Paddy Burke referred to the delay in the decision on the second terminal for Dublin Airport. The Government took a number of key decisions in May of this year concerning future aviation policy, including a possible third party investment in Aer Lingus and the building of a second terminal. These decisions will provide a secure foundation for the development of Irish aviation. The Dublin Airport Authority is highly conscious of the need to avoid any slippage in the timetable for the second terminal, which will allow for growth in passenger traffic. Just under 20 million passengers per annum fly through Dublin Airport. Based on the information given to me by my officials, this level of investment will allow the airport to accommodate approximately 30 million passengers, a full 50% increase.

If one examines what the Government is doing in Cork, Shannon, Knock, Sligo and all of the other regional airports, one will be impressed when flying over Dublin Airport or Cork Airport. We are discussing new terminal buildings and a level of investment that is unprecedented in Irish aviation. I am particularly pleased and proud to be a member of a Government that is taking the aviation business so seriously and putting in that level of investment.

Senator Paddy Burke raised another issue, namely, the retention and sale of aircraft under the revised convention. Ireland is under no compulsion to legislate for the creation of liens or joint and several liabilities as an operator and owner of aircraft and has not made provision for it in this Bill. By not introducing the creation of a lien and joint and several liability, it cannot be said that Ireland is not discharging its obligations under the new Eurocontrol convention. It is a matter of choice for a contracting party to introduce domestic law to this effect. I will ask my Department officials to communicate with the Senator on this issue. He will be satisfied with the Irish position as I have outlined it.

I thank Senator Wilson for his kind comments and clear, broad understanding of the Bill. He is one of several Senators who have been in regular contact with me about a number of issues relating to aviation. He referred to the pressure on our infrastructure, in particular the road network in County Cavan. The Government is making significant investments in our roads building projects. We are spending approximately €115 million each month and will continue to do so in order to achieve what the Senator has indicated is important, namely, an appropriate infrastructure network, whether it is road, rail, air or any other method of transport, including new modes. I am pleased to inform the House that our ten-year investment framework will be announced in detail within the coming days. Some of what Senator Wilson has asked me to deliver for the people of the BMW region will be included and he will be impressed by and satisfied with it, as will every Member of this House.

We will all be retired by that time.

Is the Senator going that soon?

We are examining ways of developing projects on time, within budget and as quickly as possible as we recognise there are issues to be addressed.

The Government has only one year left to address them.

The Government will be refreshed.

I may not be in a position to make the announcement of a Cavan airport that Senator Wilson would like but will be able to announce some other good initiatives. I wish to express my appreciation to the House for accommodating the Bill and to my officials, Mr. Fintan Towey and Mr. Kevin Dunne.

Question put and agreed to.

When is it proposed to take Committee Stage?

Next Wednesday.

Committee Stage ordered for Wednesday, 2 November 2005.
Sitting suspended at 12.50 p.m. and resumed at 2 p.m.
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