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Seanad Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 17 Nov 2011

Vol. 211 No. 9

Tribunal of Inquiry: Motion

I move:

That Seanad Éireann resolves that the terms of reference contained in the Resolution passed by Dáil Éireann on 23 March, 2005 and by Seanad Éireann on 24 March, 2005, as amended by the Resolutions passed by Dáil Éireann and Seanad Éireann on 1 June, 2011, pursuant to the Tribunals of Inquiry (Evidence) Acts 1921 to 2004, be further amended as follows:

"1. by substituting the following paragraph for paragraph (I):

‘(I) the Tribunal shall report to the Clerk of the Dáil on an interim basis not later than 9 March, 2012 setting out:

(a) the number of parties granted representation,

(b) the progress which has been made in the hearings and work of the Tribunal, and

(c) any other matters that the Tribunal considers should be drawn to the attention of the Houses of the Oireachtas;’;

and

2. in paragraph (IV) by substituting ‘31 May, 2012' for ‘30 November, 2011'."

I welcome the Minister to the House.

This motion proposes to amend the terms of reference of the tribunal of inquiry into allegations of collusion by members of the Garda Síochána or other employees of the State in the murder by the Provisional IRA of RUC Chief Superintendent Harry Breen and RUC Superintendent Bob Buchanan in March 1989. The tribunal was established in 2005 and is chaired by Judge Peter Smithwick, former president of the District Court. Dáil Éireann considered and approved a similar motion yesterday and I appreciate the support given to that motion by both Fianna Fáil and Sinn Féin.

The Oireachtas established the Smithwick tribunal in light of Judge Peter Cory's report in a genuine desire to get at the truth both in the interest of the families who were bereaved by this atrocity and in the public interest. Senators will recall that on 1 June this year, I proposed an amendment to the Smithwick tribunal's terms of reference to afford the Seanad the opportunity to consider the state of play with the tribunal's work and to establish a timeframe for its completion. That proposal was consistent with the chairman's previous indication to me of a timeframe for his work. I do not believe it would be helpful to the work of the tribunal to rehearse again some of the arguments which arose in this House at that time. Suffice it to say it is clear the tribunal has been making substantial progress in its public hearings, which commenced after the motions were dealt with in both Houses, and there now is an appropriate mechanism in place for this House to be informed of the tribunal's progress.

I state clearly that if, for any reason, it did not prove possible for the tribunal to meet the timeframe set out then, the chairman could report to the Oireachtas that circumstances had arisen which required the timeframe to be extended in order that the House could consider the matter. I also gave the Seanad a solemn assurance that the Government's response to such an approach from the chairman would be fully cognisant of and consistent with the need for the tribunal to fulfil its obligations fully and as expeditiously as possible. I am happy to be able to tell Senators that today's motion follows through on that assurance.

The chairman, in accordance with the resolutions of the Oireachtas in June, presented his interim report on 29 June 2011, in which he reported that good progress had been made in the tribunal's work. The tribunal's opening statement, which the chairman submitted with that interim report, sets out fully the background to the tribunal. Senators will be aware that the tribunal chairman wrote to the Clerk of the Dáil on 5 October 2011 setting out the circumstances which have arisen since June and which lead him to seek a six-month further extension for the tribunal's work. The chairman states in his letter that the tribunal had heard 105 witnesses to that date and has continued with other aspects of its inquiries. I welcome the progress which the tribunal is making and I am pleased that this House is being kept informed of it.

The Government has considered the extension sought by Judge Smithwick and proposes that the Oireachtas should resolve to extend the timeframe for the tribunal to conclude its work and to present its final report to 31 May 2012. This is fully in line with the tribunal chairman's request. The motion also requires the chairman to prepare and submit a further interim report by 9 March 2012 on the state of play of its inquiry at that date. It is my view that it is appropriate that this House should be kept informed of the tribunal's progress and the interim report fulfils that. Furthermore, I believe it is in the public interest and in the interests of those most directly concerned by the tribunal's work that it should get to the truth and report as soon as possible. That is the objective of the motion before the House.

The Government hopes the tribunal can fulfil its mandate within the timeframe set out in the motion. However, if an unanticipated difficulty emerges subsequently with the target date for conclusion, I have no doubt that the chairman will report this and the Oireachtas will have an opportunity to consider the matter further. The Government respects and fully defends the independence of the chairman to carry out his inquiries without fear or favour. I am confident that the tribunal will fully discharge its responsibilities and the motion will assist in that endeavour. I commend it to the House.

I thank the Minister for attending the House to debate this motion which deals with an important issue. Unfortunately, we are in the realm of "I told you so." The Minister came into the Dáil and the Seanad last June with all guns blazing and it subsequently emerged that the judge felt those blazing guns posed a threat to his independence. The Minister referred to the families involved, but he failed to mention the criticism of him from that quarter. Neither has he discussed how that criticism was dealt with. For our part, we compliment Judge Smithwick who has been doing a good job. His private hearings have been shown to be absolutely necessary. He is hearing from a lot of witnesses and much information is coming to light. We wish him well and look forward to hearing further from him. In the meantime, we know that we will hear plenty in the media on the public hearings. It is up to the judge himself to come to his own conclusions.

We will support the motion, but we have laid down a significant marker in that the motion, as important as it is, needs to be debated and the reasons for it need to be put before Seanad Éireann. I am grateful to my colleagues on the Government side who agree with me. I will not assign blame to anyone, but this is such an important issue that it cannot be rubber-stamped by the House. Let us wish the judge well and assure him of our belief in his independence and the quality of the report that will emanate from the tribunal.

I thank the Minister for being here. His presence indicates his respect for the House, for which I am grateful.

The motion before us is simple, yet it is important because it concerns part of the work of the Smithwick tribunal. It is part of a number of measures which I hope when they are all completed, will help to bring about a final resolution of the complex difficulties in Northern Ireland for so long. We do not have to go into the history of the reasons for establishing the tribunal, but we should record our appreciation of Judge Smithwick and his staff for having made such progress to date. We have had many debates in this House and elsewhere about the cost and duration of tribunals but progress is being made by this one and in the not too distant future we will have its interim report.

I have no difficulty with the Minister's request to provide additional time for the tribunal to complete its work. It is important that we are debating the matter publicly with him present. Having a transparent process is vital, not just to the tribunal but also to any work we undertake concerning Northern Ireland in trying to bring the conflict to a conclusion. On other occasions, we have spoken and will do so again about the need for a truth and reconciliation commission. We can reflect on this issue when we have more time to do so.

I again thank the Minister for being here and I am happy to support the motion. I look forward to receiving the interim and final reports of the Smithwick tribunal which I hope will help in the healing process on the island.

I also welcome the Minister to the House and thank him for personally attending the debate.

I support what other speakers have said. As we know, some of the exchanges on this issue in recent months were somewhat fraught. Today, however, we are noting that a request has been made for an extension of the tribunal's timeframe. As the Minister said, this is consistent with the assurances given at the time, that such a request would be considered. It is entirely appropriate and in keeping with our ongoing role in scrutinising issues that the Minister is present for a debate, however short, on the matter. I thank him and the Government generally for facilitating this.

Clearly, nobody would oppose the motion, as good work is being done by the tribunal. It is important that it be completed within a reasonable timeframe. To this end, the tribunal should be facilitated in every necessary way to do its work properly and well. We are here to facilitate the request for an extension and look forward to receiving the final report in May 2012.Gabhaim buíochas leis an Aire as ucht a bheith linn agus leis an Rialtas as ucht an díospóireacht seo a cheadú.

I am glad to have the opportunity to speak to the motion and grateful to the Minister for facilitating this debate. I welcome him to the House and I am delighted to support the motion on behalf of the Labour Party. It vindicates the position adopted in the debate in June. At the time the Minister said that if circumstances required, an extension of the timeframe would be considered. He said the tribunal's chairperson could seek such an extension from the Minister and that has been done.

Senator Byrne could not resist saying, "I told you so," but, equally, we could say the same. At the time we said that if the timeframe required to be extended, this would be done. That is what the motion is about.

I am delighted that there is cross-party support for the motion. We have all noted that the tribunal's work is progressing well and are all glad to note that the Oireachtas will be kept informed by way of the presentation of an interim report in March 2012. We all join in wishing Judge Smithwick well in his work and hope to see the report completed expeditiously within a reasonable timeframe.

Cuirim céad fáilte roimh an Aire. I bprionsabal, is ceart go mbeadh muid ag plé an Bhille seo os comhair an tSeanaid agus is breá an rud go bhfuil muid ag déanamh sin. Táimid buíoch as an deis sin.

We are grateful for the opportunity to discuss the motion because it is important that the House has a chance to discuss such motions. Sinn Féin supports the motion and also welcomes the inquiry that will be undertaken into the Ballymurphy massacre. This motion is also important in the wider context of initiating a truth and reconciliation process, as alluded to by Senator Bradford.

Cuireann muid fáilte roimh an mBille seo agus roimh an deis labhairt air, mar tá sé thar a bheith tábhachtach go mbeadh an deis sin ar fáil againn.

Question put and agreed to.

When is it proposed to sit again?

At 12.30 p.m. next Tuesday, 22 November 2011.

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