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Seanad Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 14 Jun 2012

Vol. 215 No. 17

Adjournment Matters

Schools Building Projects

I thank the Minister of State for coming to the House to take this Adjournment matter.

In its five year plan for school building projects the Government, rightly, identified the need for a post-primary school in Lusk, County Dublin. Lusk is a fast growing area in my constituency of Dublin North. It has grown from a rural village to a sizeable town. There are a number of primary schools in the area. There is Rush and Lusk Educate Together national school, while the busiest school is Lusk national school. Hedgestown national school is located just outside the town. The need for a post-primary school is agreed and it remains to be decided who will be the patron.

The Minister has received two applications of which I am aware. One is from the vocational education committee, VEC, and the other from Educate Together. When will the Department make a decision on the granting of patronage and what criteria will be used in making that decision? The parents of more than 1,000 primary school children and more than 400 preschoolers in the immediate Lusk area, not including the outlying area of Rush, have given written consent to be added to the Lusk VEC campaign. These parents have declared their preference for patronage to be granted to the VEC which has a proven track record of multicultural and co-educational learning. Having been in the area and from meeting residents of Lusk, this appears to be the clear preference of the people of the town. Educate Together has developed well in the area, which we also welcome. We need choice in post-primary education provision, but we must also look at the express wishes of the community of Lusk. Having attended meetings and conducted research on the issue, the clear preference of the vast majority of people in the Lusk catchment area is that the Department grant patronage to the VEC in this instance.

I await the response of the Minister of State and thank him for coming to the House.

I thank the Senator for raising this matter as it affords me the opportunity to outline to the Seanad the current position on the provision of new post-primary schools and the new arrangements the Minister, Deputy Ruairí Quinn, put in place in regard to the recognition of new post-primary schools.

The schoolgoing population has increased significantly in recent years and is expected to continue to increase in the coming years. It is anticipated that, at post-primary level, an additional 24,900 pupils will need school places by 2017, with a further 40,800 needing places between 2017 and 2024, based on the Department's statistics. The figures I have outlined indicate the situation at national level. The challenge for the Department is to establish in which locations the schoolgoing cohort will increase most significantly in order that sufficient school accommodation can be provided to meet demand. The Department is utilising a geographical information system, GIS, for this purpose. The GIS utilises data from the Central Statistics Office, Ordnance Survey Ireland, the General Register Office and the Department of Social Protection, in addition to the Department's own databases, and the local authorities. The Department has carried out a study of the country to identify where there will be a requirement for significant additional school provision at both primary and post-primary level in the coming years.

In June last year the Minister announced that up to 40 new schools were to be established within the next six years to meet our increased demographics. These consisted of 20 new primary schools and 20 new post-primary schools. Included in that announcement was a new post-primary school planned for Lusk, County Dublin, which is scheduled to commence in September 2013. The provision of this new school will greatly enhance second level provision for the area and the new school will provide accommodation for a long-term projected enrolment of 1,000 pupils.

The Minister also announced new arrangements for the recognition and determination of patronage of these new primary and post-primary schools. The new arrangements published by the Department provide for a balanced approach to allow applications to be made by prospective patrons for the establishment of schools. The criteria used in deciding patronage of the new schools place a particular emphasis on parental demand for plurality and diversity of patronage. Applications for patronage of the new second level schools to be established in 2013 and 2014 were sought by the Department from prospective patrons. Details of the applications received are available on the Department's website. Applications for patronage of the proposed new school in Lusk were received from Educate Together and County Dublin VEC. Departmental officials have assessed all of the applications received in line with the published criteria and a report has been prepared and submitted for the consideration of the new schools establishment group. The group will, in turn, submit recommendations to the Minister for consideration and final decision regarding patronage of the new post-primary schools in the coming weeks.

I again thank the Senator for raising this matter.

The Minister of State said a decision would be made in the coming weeks. Will it be made before the Houses goes into recess? Will the new schools establishment group, as part of the assessment, take into account the many letters of support from community groups and other schools in the area which have expressed their preference that patronage be granted to the VEC? Will the decision be made before the summer break?

It is my understanding it is hoped to issue a decision before the summer break. A significant element of the criteria used in deciding the issue of school patronage is consideration of local wishes regarding the patronage of a particular school. One would expect that to feed into the overall decision making process.

Fire Services

I will be brief and to the point on this issue. I seek information on the progress made to date on the provision of a new fire station in Virginia, County Cavan. Approval in principle had been granted by the Department to Cavan County Council's proposal for the provision of a new fire station in Virginia, but that was a few years ago and it has not yet proceeded. A site is available to accommodate the new station in Virginia. A site is available also for a new fire station in Ballyjamesduff, the neighbouring town. The last I heard on the issue was that contract documents for the Virginia fire station are with the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government awaiting approval to go to tender. All the plans, estimates and survey works were submitted. All documents are in the Department but the delay is in respect of the granting of the project to go to tender.

Is the Department dragging its heels on the issue? What is the delay in moving this project forward? When will tenders be invited? When will construction work commence and when will this project advance or will it advance? Does the Department have a timeframe or has it shelved the project and not informed anyone? I would welcome any clarification the Minister of State can provide on the issue.

The provision of a fire service in its functional area, including the establishment and maintenance of a fire brigade, the assessment of fire cover needs and the provision of fire station premises is a statutory function of individual fire authorities under section 10 of the Fire Services Act 1981. The Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government supports the fire authorities through setting general policy, providing a central training programme, issuing guidance on operational and other related matters and providing capital funding for priority infrastructural projects.

The Department's fire services capital programme has put in place infrastructure to support the local fire authorities in the development of a quality fire-fighting and rescue service. This commitment to the fire service has brought major improvements in the fire service infrastructure nationally over the past decade. This commitment to continuing investment in infrastructure and equipment, better training and the provision of improved communications infrastructure has brought major improvements.

Cavan county fire service has ten fire stations and responded to over 700 call-outs during 2010. New fire stations at Bailieborough, Belturbet, Cootehill and Dowra were completed in recent years at a cost of approximately €2.3 million which was wholly funded by the Department. Upgrade works to Killeshandra and Kingscourt fire stations have also been carried out by Cavan County Council.

Approval in principle was granted for the construction of a new fire station in Virginia under the 2000 fire services capital programme. Approval to prepare contract documents was granted in 2008. These contract documents were received in the Department in 2011 and are currently under consideration.

Much has been accomplished in the past decade to strengthen the infrastructure of fire services in Ireland. The significant resources provided to local authorities under the Department's fire services capital programme have resulted in a quality fire and rescue infrastructure throughout the country. Most of our fire stations have full facilities, the appliance fleet is in very good shape and specialist equipment is generally regarded as being of a very high standard.

Continued investment in the fire appliance fleet has been identified as a key national priority for capital investment, given the current constraints on public finances. To deliver cost efficiencies in line with the recommendations of the Local Authority Efficiency Review Group, a programme is currently under way which involves fire authorities aggregating demand and inviting tenders for 17 fire appliances following the development of an agreed national fire appliance specification. Since 2007, the Department has grant-aided some €1.3 million to Cavan County Council in respect of new fire appliances and other necessary fire and rescue equipment.

Further investment to support the redevelopment of Virginia fire station will be considered under future capital programmes within the constraints of reduced public finances and will have regard to the priorities of Cavan County Council, the value for money offered by proposals, the level of investment to date and the totality of demands from fire authorities country-wide for the limited funding available.

Water and Sewerage Schemes

I welcome the Minister of State, Deputy Cannon, to the House. I record my annoyance that this question is being answered by the Minister of State on behalf of the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government rather than on behalf of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform because the impetus for the question arises from a specific commitment given by the Minister, Deputy Howlin, to this House. However, when I tabled this Adjournment matter through the Seanad Office this week that Department refused to accept it and insisted on it being transferred to the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government. I am annoyed about that because while it is an environmental issue, it arises from a commitment given by the Minister, Deputy Howlin, in his capacity as Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform. It refers to a project that will spend up to €2.7 billion of taxpayers' money and therefore if any issue deserves the attention and the oversight of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform I would have thought it was this one.

I want to put on the record comments made by the Minister, Deputy Howlin, on 22 November 2011. My colleague, Senator Darragh O'Brien, who has been proactive on the issue of the proposed wastewater treatment plant for north Dublin, asked the Minister, in the public expenditure context, about the proposed plant for north Dublin. In his response the Minister stated:

The issue of the greater Dublin drainage scheme has been raised on a number of occasions by colleagues of the Senator representing the constituencies directly affected. I am giving an undertaking now to the Senator that I will have it investigated.

[. . .] There is a propensity for engineers to have big schemes. They much prefer to build reservoirs than fix leaks. There is nothing sexy about fixing a hole but construction of a multi million euro dam and piping water for miles is a big event. I prefer to fix the leaks. I have given the Senator an undertaking that I will have the matter investigated.

Members will agree that is a specific commitment to examine the issue given by the Minister, Deputy Howlin, last November. More than six months later I raise this matter to ask if that investigation has taken place and regret that the Department refused to answer it.

As the Minister of State, Deputy Cannon, will be aware, the proposal is for a monster wastewater treatment plant in north Dublin. Three preferred sites have been selected — one in Cloghran, Clonshaugh, another in Newtowncorduff and one in Annesbrook, east of Ballyboughal and west of Lusk. The proposed plant, should it get the go-ahead from the Government, will produce 1,000 litres of sewage per second. Initially, it will be the same size as the plant in Ringsend but it will double in capacity over a 20-year period to cater for a population equivalent to 700,000 by 2040.

I objected to this plant as part of the consultation process, as did my colleagues and, I understand, colleagues of the Minister's party also, mainly for the reason that Clonshaugh in my constituency is an entirely inappropriate location for a plant of this scale but also because having one massive plant is misguided and does not make sense from a value for money point of view. It would make more sense, and is best practice environmentally as well as economically, to have smaller, localised plants which could be phased in over time.

From the point of view of Clonshaugh in Dublin north east, there is huge local opposition to this plant for a number of sensible and logical reasons. The proposed site is immediately adjacent to over 2,500 homes in the Clonshaugh, Priorswood and Darndale area, all of which are within a one mile radius of the site. It is also very close to other housing developments in Belmayne, Clongriffin and Clare Hall, and there is no doubt that building a massive wastewater treatment plant so close to housing will lead to an intolerable reduction in the residential amenity for those householders. Also, it does not make sense in that there are area plans for the redevelopment of the north fringe area in the coming years and these will compromise and undermine future plans for the area. It would also damage the economic potential of the locality which as I am sure the Minister is aware, with its close proximity to Dublin Airport, is an area of strategic importance not just to Fingal but to all of Dublin and should be planned in that context. It would most likely render redundant the proposals to develop the neighbouring IDA site as a high tech hub and, in doing so, would prevent the creation of thousands of badly needed jobs in north Dublin.

It is proposed that the outfall from the plant would flow into the sea at Portmarnock, Malahide and an area that is environmentally protected in Baldoyle and is of huge importance both in terms of the environment but also tourism in that it has great potential which could be tapped into and developed as a marine tourism area.

Having one monstrous plant does not make any sense. That is why my colleague, Senator Darragh O'Brien, asked previously that the proposal be examined in terms of public expenditure. It is not too late for this to be checked out. The Minister committed to investigating the matter such that the taxpayer could be sure of a satisfactory cost-benefit analysis. It worries me that, six months later, this does not appear to have been done, despite the project having been valued at €2.7 billion. I am quite concerned about this.

I am most familiar with the Clonshaugh area, and Senator O'Brien has raised difficulties associated with the other proposed locations in north Dublin. Clonshaugh is an entirely inappropriate location for the plant. I ask the Minister of State, whom I know will give the stock reply from the Department, to ask the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform to follow up on the commitment he gave to the House in November and ensure the matter is investigated in terms of public expenditure.

I would not describe my reply as a stock reply. There is a significant amount of information in it, much more than I was used to when I was a Member of this House.

I thank the Senator for the opportunity to clarify the position about Fingal County Council's proposal to build a new wastewater treatment plant to facilitate development within Fingal and the greater Dublin area in general.

When my colleague, the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform, was addressing a debate on infrastructure and capital investment in this House on 22 November 2011, Senator Darragh O'Brien raised the issue of the new wastewater treatment plant being constructed in north County Dublin as part of the greater Dublin strategic drainage project and cited a price of €2.3 billion to €2.7 billion for the plant. He urged the Minister to re-evaluate the project as it "did not stack up in terms of value for money". On that basis, the Minister agreed to investigate the matter and his Department subsequently raised it with the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government.

The price tag that has been attributed to the project in some quarters, and referred to by Senator O'Brien in his statement, is well wide of the mark. In fact, the cost he cited refers to the cost of all the wastewater projects in the greater Dublin area identified by the greater Dublin strategic drainage study in 2005. The expected capital costs of the north Dublin treatment plant, outfall and orbital sewer are not expected to exceed €500 million.

I wish to apprise this House of developments on the project. In March 2011, Fingal County Council appointed consultants to prepare a preliminary report and environmental impact assessment for the north Dublin treatment plant and orbital sewer. The identification of potential locations for the regional wastewater treatment plant is an important step in this process.

In October 2011, as part of phase 1, based on the alternative sites assessment and route selection report, Fingal County Council identified nine potential land parcels in the northern part of the greater Dublin area within which a proposed regional wastewater treatment plant could potentially be located, along with a marine outfall and an orbital drainage system. The council carried out an eight-week non-statutory public consultation seeking views on the proposals and the land parcels. These nine land parcels were then assessed as potential locations in which to site the regional wastewater treatment plant. The routes for the orbital drainage system and the marine outfall pipe locations were also assessed. Site-specific information, more in-depth desktop research, consultations and detailed site surveys, in addition to feedback from the public, were used to assist in identifying the locations with the least impact under 15 criteria. Of these nine land parcels, three sites have now been identified by the council as emerging preferred site options in phase 2 according to the alternative sites assessment and route selection report. A further eight-week, non-statutory public consultation period commenced on Monday, 14 May 2012, and it is to run until 6 July 2012. As part of this process, four open days are being arranged by the council on which the public can meet the project team and discuss the report.

When the preferred site is identified, the council will prepare detailed plans and complete an environmental impact statement. This environmental impact statement, together with a planning application under the Planning and Development Strategic Infrastructure Act 2006, will be submitted to An Bord Pleanála. An Bord Pleanála will carry out its own statutory public consultation on the project. I urge the north Dublin communities to engage in the current non-statutory public consultation process and in the important statutory consultation processes that will be available as the project proceeds.

I thank the Minister of State. He said the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government, Deputy Hogan, stated the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform, Deputy Howlin, agreed to investigate the matter with the former Department, and that the latter Department subsequently raised the issue with the former. It does not outline the nature of the response, evaluation or investigation or whether the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform is actually satisfied. The report just states the issue was raised. I ask the Minister of State to seek clarification from the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform that he is satisfied with the value-for-money review of the plant on foot of the investigation. A significant amount of taxpayers' money is to be spent and the project deserves oversight by the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform.

Senator O'Brien's concerns were first raised in the context of a belief that the project would cost in the region of €2.3 billion to €2.7 billion. We now know the cost is in the region of €500 million, which is significantly lower. I agree with the Senator that we must scrutinise every cent of public money spent. Having worked in local government for 14 years, I believe that sort of assessment would be part of the overall planning process for the provision of such significant infrastructure to serve north Dublin. I will undertake to seek the information Senator Power requires.

The Seanad adjourned at 4.05 p.m. until 4.45 p.m. on Tuesday, 19 June 2012.
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