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Seanad Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 3 Jul 2014

Vol. 232 No. 12

Regulation (EU) No. 603/2013 on the Establishment of Eurodac: Motion

I move:

That Seanad Éireann approves the exercise by the State of the option or discretion under Protocol No. 21 on the position of the United Kingdom and Ireland in respect of the area of freedom, security and justice annexed to the Treaty on European Union and to the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, to accept the following measure:

Regulation (EU) No. 603/2013 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 26th June, 2013 on the establishment of ‘Eurodac’ for the comparison of fingerprints for the effective application of Regulation (EU) No. 604/2013 establishing the criteria and mechanisms for determining the Member State responsible for examining an application for international protection lodged in one of the Member States by a third-country national or a stateless person and on requests for the comparison with Eurodac data by Member States’ law enforcement authorities and Europol for law enforcement purposes, and amending Regulation (EU) No. 1077/2011 establishing a European Agency for the operational management of large-scale IT systems in the area of freedom, security and justice (recast),

a copy of which was laid before Seanad Éireann on 16th April, 2014."

I understand Senators wanted to discuss EU Regulation No. 603/2013, which relates to Eurodac. This regulation was the subject of a very full debate by the Joint Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality at its meeting yesterday and it received all-party support. The joint committee also discussed some of the issues to which it gives rise.

Under Article 29.4.7° of the Constitution of Ireland the exercise of the possibility to opt-in to a Title V measure is subject to the prior approval of both Houses of the Oireachtas. On 6 May 2014, the Government authorised the exercise of the opt-in to the recast Eurodac regulation subject to the prior approval of both Houses of the Oireachtas. This is the business with which the joint committee dealt yesterday and with which we are dealing now. Eurodac is an EU information technology system for the comparison of the fingerprints of asylum seekers across EU member states.

The Eurodac regulation was originally adopted in 2000 and recast in 2013. Eurodac facilitates the operation of the Dublin Convention and Regulation (EU) No. 604/2013, which establishes the criteria and mechanisms for determining which member state is responsible for examining an application for international protection. Senators will be very familiar with this system. The Dublin system is based on the general principle that responsibility should lie primarily with the member state which played the greatest part in an applicant's entry into residence in the EU. This is necessary due to the movements we see among people who are in this situation. Ireland is participating in the recast Dublin regulation of 2013. In fact, it was agreed during the Irish Presidency. It is proposed now to opt into the recast Eurodac regulation of 2013 before its implementation date of July 2015 to ensure that the preparations in Ireland and the EU for the coming into operation of the recast regulation go smoothly.

The Eurodac system consists of a central system and a communications infrastructure with member states. The principal additional elements of the recasting of the Eurodac regulation in 2013 consist of improvements and increased efficiency in the use of Eurodac in relation to prompt transmission - timelines are spelt out - by member states of fingerprints to the central system and marking of data on persons granted international protection; full compatibility with the latest EU asylum legislation and better addressing of data protection requirements; and the facility for member states' law enforcement authorities and Europol to access the Eurodac central database for law enforcement purposes.

Having made the initial proposal to recast the Eurodac regulation in December 2008, the European Commission amended it three times. The Office of the Attorney General has advised that the original opt-in to the December 2008 proposal does not cover the Eurodac regulation as actually adopted in June 2013. Consequently, it is necessary to begin afresh the national procedures for opting into the recast Eurodac regulation. The recast regulation will apply from 20 July 2015, up to which date the original Eurodac regulation of 2000 continues to apply. Accordingly, Ireland continues to participate in the Eurodac system. I recommend that the House support the regulation and that it be passed by the Oireachtas. It allows preparations to go ahead at national and EU level to ensure that we continue to be part of an essential central system of information exchange that allows requests for asylum to be addressed in the best possible way by the appropriate country.

Ba mhaith liom míle buíochas a ghabháil leis an gCeannaire Gníomhach as ucht na díospóireachta seo a ghlacadh inniu. Gabhaim buíochas freisin leis an Aire as ucht bheith anseo chun an díospóireacht a thógáil. I welcome the fact that we have been given the opportunity to debate the Eurodac proposal. It is important that we get the chance in the Seanad to debate these things. I note that it is seen to be very important to opt into this particular directive, but also that the Government seems to take an à la carte approach to the European directives dealing with asylum. The directive on the right to work is another one we should opt into, yet we have not done so. Perhaps we can talk on another date about the fact that some directives are opted into while others are not.

The taking of the fingerprints of asylum seekers was a significant step when it was first introduced. It was already a sensitive issue for many. Many did not want to see asylum seekers undergo this additional invasion of privacy. It was deemed justifiable and necessary at the time to facilitate the establishment of the Dublin chain of responsibility in the common asylum system. The current proposal as outlined represents a major additional step and allows fingerprints to be used outside the Dublin regime. However, the arguments of the Commission as to why this is necessary and proportionate are insufficient. The practical necessity and importance of the measure have not been stated clearly. In fact, it appears to many that uses will be made of the measure which are outside the aim of the original directive. The effect of the measure could be very stigmatising, implying that asylum seekers are more criminal than others. It is a problem we have in the asylum context in general.

I note that the European Data Protection Supervisor issued a critical opinion on 5 September 2012 saying the procedure followed does not do justice to the fundamental nature of the proposal and that a new impact assessment should have been performed. It was further indicated that the necessity and proportionality of access to Eurodac data for law enforcement purposes are insufficiently demonstrated, that the proposal does not consider sufficiently the implications of the use of Eurodac data for law enforcement purposes with regard to applicable data protection law, and that the proposal does not consider the new legal basis for data protection since the entry into force of the Lisbon treaty and ongoing data protection reform. The previous system was imagined to administer asylum applications, which it was supposed to make easier. It is obvious that the data is sought to be used now by law enforcement agencies and Europol. We are being given anecdotal evidence of success in combating crime, which is lauded as the reason we need to do this. We are told certain high-profile criminals and criminal gangs will be stopped. However, the wholesale sharing of information is a matter of concern for me. We all want to combat organised crime, trafficking, etc., but the wholesale sharing of information gives one the sense that all asylum seekers are being put into the same basket.

The European Data Protection Supervisor has argued that the need for this has not been sufficiently demonstrated and has called for an impact assessment which looks at the whole policy. Privacy International called for a delay of the proposal until proper, evidence-based impact assessments had been carried out. Privacy International has also raised concerns about the right to privacy and the breaches of human rights which might be occasioned by the new system. The UNHCR has recommended the taking of board of certain safeguards before the introduction of a facility to search Eurodac with latent fingerprints so that the possibility of error in matching fingerprints and wrongful implication of asylum seekers in criminal investigations is fully examined and eliminated to the greatest extent possible. The UNHCR has also recommended that the provision on the prohibition of the transfer of information on asylum seekers or refugees to third countries be reinforced and clarified to eliminate any gaps in the protection of data; that the potential for stigmatisation of asylum seekers as a particularly vulnerable group be evaluated; and that the scope of the proposed instruments be limited to cases in which there is substantial suspicion that the perpetrator or suspect has applied for asylum and the applicant is informed that his or her data may be used for the purposes of a criminal investigation. The general sense is that although the system in which fingerprints are used to identify asylum seekers to help speedily administer claims was acceptable initially, we are going much further now. There are concerns around the step being taken and whether we are going in the right direction.

There is an issue with regard to the way we deal with asylum seekers across the EU. I was at an event in Greece recently where the issue was raised. An MP from Greece said it was felt that Greece was being used as a dustbin for souls in the asylum seeking process due to a lack of coherence across the 27 EU member states in dealing with the pressures of an influx of asylum seekers. The Irish system involves adopting a guilty-until-proven-innocent approach to the consideration of asylum claims. Asylum seekers are stigmatised and our system makes them feel like criminals. Having spoken to people in direct provision asylum centres here, I note that they are very critical of the approach taken by the State, as are the NGOs that work with them. This is another extension of that system. Many of the asylum seekers I have met are highly competent, professional, educated people while others are normal people escaping from terrible situations. They feel they are treated like criminals in the Irish asylum system. Being put into the direct provision system is akin to their being put into an open prison. The difference is that in an open prison, one knows when the end of one's sentence will be. They do not feel that is the case with direct provision. They also say that being in the Irish system exacerbates the issues they have with regard to mental health, human rights and the ability to progress personally with work and education.

These are some of the issues I wanted to raise in this debate. The Minister can address a number of these concerns. The European system seems to think that this type of measure is a deterrent to anybody might want to come to the EU to seek asylum. I do not think that is the best practice from an international perspective. If we found ourselves in a position where we had to flee our country and were looking for asylum, we would expect to be treated in a much more humane manner. Therefore, the concerns we are raising here are valid and backed up by international commentators with expertise in the area. Certainly we should think twice before taking the move.

I thank the Minister for facilitating us in the Seanad by agreeing to take this debate on conclusion of Committee Stage of the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission Bill 2014. As Deputy Leader, I was happy to accede to the request from Senator Ó Clochartaigh on the basis that I think it is a good idea that we would have a debate on motions that come to us from the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality or from other committees, particularly where they concern issues of significance. However, I would say that the committee had a very full debate yesterday and sat for nearly an hour. I certainly participated in it, Deputy Mac Lochlainn from the Senator's own party participated in it and it was agreed unanimously that we would opt in. Indeed all of us, including the Chairman, Deputy Stanton, put questions to the Minister on detailed aspects of the application of this Eurodac regulation and this decision to opt in. I think Senator Ó Clochartaigh has raised various other issues around the treatment of asylum seekers, stigmatisation and direct provision, which he has raised many times. I would share many of his concerns and I know the Minister does as well and has responded.

It is important to look at the detail of Eurodac. I do not want to reiterate and rehash the entire debate from yesterday but I raised very particular issues concerning the treatment of minors because the Eurodac system permits the fingerprinting of those aged 14 and upwards. I know the Minister said that she had raised those issues and had similar concerns. We teased out these matters and the balance of rights of asylum seekers against the interests of ensuring both the efficient processing of asylum claims and international protection claims across the EU and preventing terrorism and serious criminality on a cross-Border basis. We also considered the issue of the timing - why we are opting into it now. We considered the implications of the Prüm decision and the fact that Ireland has not yet implemented it fully in the context of the recent passing of the Criminal Justice (Forensic Evidence and DNA Database System) Act 2014.

We considered a wide range of issues, including the issue of latent fingerprints, which was raised by the Senator, and the Dublin regulation. In the course of the debate, the transcript of which I urge colleagues to look at, the Minister assured us that asylum seekers are not being sent back to Greece and that an agreement had been made on that, something of which I had been unaware. I know the Minister will respond more fully but Senator Ó Clochartaigh's party colleague was satisfied as to the decision the committee was taking. It was a unanimous decision and we did have a very full debate. I am happy to have the debate again on the floor of this House and I think it is useful to do so. I would say to colleagues that Ireland already takes part in the application of the original Eurodac regulation. The recast Eurodac regulation is still primarily about asylum and claims for international protection. The law enforcement aspect, which we also teased out in the committee, is not the primary function of this. I urge colleagues to support the motion.

This has been discussed in the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality but it is good practice to discuss these motions from time to time. I was not here for the Order of Business so I did not realise that an amendment to it was accepted. Even the interaction here has been useful. I would agree with many of the points made about direct provision. It must be dealt with and we will do our best to fast track the forthcoming legislation about which the Minister spoke. What is occurring is a scandal. We are dealing with significant legacy scandals at the moment but this scandal is happening at the moment and must be dealt with. This measure was discussed for over an hour yesterday in the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality. I know Deputy Mac Lochlainn engaged very fulsomely in that discussion. The unanimous recommendation from the committee followed significant interaction with and questioning of the Minister.

Does the Minister wish to respond?

The first point I would make is that this was discussed and agreed by the European Parliament and Council. We are already part of Eurodac. The recast regulation, which is what we are discussing here today, allows consultation of Eurodac by law enforcement authorities. I want to put on the record that it is for the purpose of the prevention, detection or investigation of terrorist offences or other serious criminal offences. It is aimed at enabling law enforcement authorities to request the comparison of fingerprint data with that stored in the Eurodac central database when they seek to establish the identity or to get further information on a person suspected of a serous crime or a victim of crime. It is worth making the point that it is also about the victim of crime.

Fingerprint data constitutes an important element of establishing the exact identity of a person. It is generally acknowledged and I think the Senator would agree that it is an important source of information for the prevention, detection or investigation of terrorist offences and other serious criminal offences. I understand that when the debate was held, many member states were adamant that they felt that law enforcement agencies should have access to Eurodac in the interests of the safety of populations. However, I want to make the point that access is not arbitrary because I recognise that when any database exists, the question of the balance between access to information and the preservation of human rights is one that must be considered. This was considered in the discussion of the various articles. There are a number of articles dealing with the protection of fundamental human rights in the provisions. Equally, a review is built in as to how the mechanism is working, which is an important safeguard as well. There is also a detailed approach about the steps that must be undertaken by authorities accessing Eurodac so they cannot just say they want access to Eurodac. In the first place, they must get permission and to have worked through any other database that is available.

I will give the Senators some details. Access to Eurodac can only occur if comparisons with other databases that are already available did not lead to the establishment of the identity of the data subject. That would include, for example, our own national database. The other databases are: national databases; databases of other member states under the Prüm decision, in respect of which we are not fully linked in; and the European Union visa information system.

It is permissible to access data from Eurodac following negative results from these other databases in comparison with Eurodac but it is only permissible where a number of cumulative conditions are met. I will go through them. The comparison is necessary for the purpose of the prevention, detection or investigation of a terrorist offence or other serious criminal offence. The comparison has to be necessary in a specific case. There are reasonable grounds to consider that the comparison will substantially contribute to the prevention, detection or investigation of any of the criminal offences in question. In each member state, a verifying authority acting independently shall ensure that the conditions for requesting comparison of fingerprints with Eurodac are fulfilled.

I think that shows how the balance in the regulation is quite careful, has been considered at European Parliament and Council level and is built in to the access that law enforcement agencies have. There are quite a number of safeguards that are adequate and important. Equally, I believe in access to the Eurodac database by law enforcement agencies. Many member states made this point during the course of the debate. It is one that is essential and I would certainly recommend that this be agreed by the House.

Question put and declared carried.
Sitting suspended at 1.20 p.m. and resumed at 1.30 p.m.
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