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Seanad Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 10 Mar 2015

Vol. 238 No. 10

Commencement Matters

Schools Amalgamation

Cuirim fáilte roimh an Aire go dtí an Teach chun an cheist seo a fhreagairt. I raise the matter of the amalgamation of three schools in Greenhills. While the amalgamation is going ahead, I raise in particular the methodology of communication on how this arose in the first instance, which left a great deal to be desired. The rules and procedures in place appear to be merely written down and are not to be observed. The first that parents heard about this was a note in the schoolbag to say it was a done deal and that was the end of the story. The first the Department of Education and Skills heard about it was at more or less the same time.

Last year, I asked a question about this and the Department did not know anything about it. The matter is in the prerogative of Archbishop's House in conjunction with the parish. The communication came directly from the school via the schoolbags of the children, but that is not the methodology laid down for consultation. Working in partnership in education we have parents, boards of management, school management, patrons and the Department. They should all work together according to a procedure which is laid down. This needs to be clarified in relation to how one goes about amalgamating schools, who is to be consulted and how such consultation is to take place.

The parents contacted me and I knew as much about it as they did, which was nothing. I had to bring all I could together into a meeting room to get some information. I must say that when I contacted the Department of Education and Skills, it gave me any information it had. When I contacted Archbishop's House the information then came forward, but it was not forthcoming before. What worries the parents is that while the amalgamation is going ahead, the buildings, space, location and services have not been outlined or timelined. In particular, it is a worry for parents whose children are on the autism spectrum as the ASD unit in St. Peter's national school will be amalgamated into St. Paul's national school. When will they see the services and when will they see written confirmation that the services they have now will be maintained and enhanced? They definitely do not want to go backwards and at least want to ensure the service and space goes with them. I do not know where the sensory room in St. Peter's national school will go.

When will we see detailed plans for the amalgamation arrangements? There is an apparent lack of space at the moment and three into two will not go. Just today, I received a separate communication from the Department to say there is some funding available for buildings. Can the Minister outline what is there and when it is expected to be on the ground? When two schools are being put together, it must be given priority. It is not a new school, but will be the same over on another field and there will be less space. I also ask the Minister to comment on the outdoor play space area. What is left there and what is in the hands of the parish? The parish owns a certain bit of land outside the school. Is it possible to include that in the negotiation? With concerns about obesity, outside play space is as important as inside play space, particularly for PE. To have teachers juggling when they let children out because of space is not fair. There is land there that should be used.

It was part of the school but it is fenced off at the moment. Will the Minister comment on that in the context of the amalgamation? Rather than using this space for anything else, it should be used for outdoor activities. Has agreement been reached? If so, what is its status within the Department? The new school is planned for next September but many parents are not happy that they have been given sufficient information about the accommodation, facilities, services, money and new buildings. What new buildings will be provided?

Gabhaim buíochas leis an Seanadóir as ucht seans a thabhairt dom an cheist seo a phlé agus a bheith níos soiléire on the position of the amalgamation of three national schools in Greenhills - St. Paul's senior girls, St. Paul's junior girls and St. Peter's boys.

In January 2014, the Congregation of the Sisters of Charity of St. Paul the Apostle transferred the trusteeship of St. Paul's senior national school to the Dublin archdiocese. This transfer meant that the three primary schools in Greenhills parish were under diocesan responsibility and the patron deemed it an opportune time to review the provision of Catholic primary school education in the parish. The patron's office subsequently commenced discussions with the boards of management of the three schools regarding the future requirements for Catholic primary education in Greenhills parish. Following a number of meetings, agreement was reached with the three boards that there would be a junior and a senior co-educational school on the St. Paul's site. Taking into account representations from the three boards that sufficient time would be allowed for the smooth transition, it was decided that the two new schools would commence operation in September 2015.

The patron's office has confirmed that accommodation for the children in the ASD unit has been a major consideration in these negotiations. While the junior school has such a unit, the senior school has also agreed to establish one following a request from the National Council for Special Education. My Department has confirmed its willingness to provide grant aid to both schools to establish these units, which will also include sensory rooms. My officials will continue to work closely with the schools to ensure this permanent accommodation is put in place. In the meantime, the schools are undertaking conversion works to the toilet areas to facilitate the co-education arrangement from next September and my Department is providing grants to the schools for these works.

The schools have decided that the introduction of co-education will be on a phased basis in the two new schools. Co-education will commence with junior infants in September 2015 in the new junior school. The current single sex classes will remain unchanged for the next number of years to allow the transition to take place. These classes will be accommodated in either the new junior or the new senior school. In some cases, there may be agreement with parents for other classes to become co-educational. This is a matter for the school community to decide. The two schools will be known as Holy Spirit junior primary school and Holy Spirit senior primary school.

The mainstream staffing levels in the schools will comprise a principal and 12 mainstream classroom teachers in the junior school and a principal and 11 mainstream classroom teachers in the senior school as well as two special class teachers. In addition, three amalgamation concessionary teaching posts will be approved between the two schools. The resource teaching and English as an additional language, EAL, provision will remain at current levels, namely, the junior school will have 2.6 posts and the senior school will have 2.4 posts. In June 2015, the patron intends appointing a single manager to oversee the transition and assist in establishing two new boards of management.

I do not have specific information on the outside play area. Perhaps I can revert to the Senator on that.

An bhfuil an Seanadóir sásta?

Tá mé sásta but more communication will be necessary on the ground with the schools and the parents. The communication of these changes to the teachers was a problem as well. The Minister stated, "My officials will continue to work closely with the schools to ensure this permanent accommodation is put in place", but she did not outline a timetable. That should be in place this year. Minor works are under way to convert toilets for boys and girls. Will the permanent accommodation be in place at the end of this year or early in 2016? We need a date, given it will be a large school. Will the Minister revert on those two issues?

Certainly. Is the Senator asking about the sensory rooms in the special units or the accommodation in general?

The accommodation in general. I do not mind whether the sensory units are in the old building or the new building but I would like to know about the play space, when the new buildings will be constructed and when the money will be available for that.

I will come back to the Senator.

University Governance

Mar a bhí mé ag rá leis an Aire taobh amuigh, tá sé i gceist agam labhairt as Gaeilge amháin sna Tithe an tseachtain seo mar gheall ar Sheachtain na Gaeilge agus mar chuid de thriall cearta teanga atá ar bun agam féin agus ag cuid de mo chomhghleacaithe. Tá mé thar a bheith buíoch don Aire faoi teacht isteach. Tá mé ag ardú ceist a bhaineann le Ollscoil na hÉireann, Gaillimh. Mar dhuine a d'fhreastal ar an ollscoil sin, tá ard-mheas agam ar an bhfoireann atá ag obair inti. Déanann formhór dóibh scoth na hoibre. Tá an ollscoil ag dul ó neart go neart. Is cinnte, áfach, go bhfuil riar mhaith ceisteanna tromchúiseacha tagtha chun cinn le tamall anuas maidir le cothromaíocht san ollscoil sin. Bhí cúpla cás an-mhór sna meáin le tamall anuas. Thóg mná éagsúla cásanna cúirte maidir le cothromaíocht. Tá cuid acu fós ag dul ar aghaidh. Le seachtain nó dhó anuas, tá sé tagtha chun cinn chomh maith go raibh ceistneoir á chur ar dhaoine a bhí ag cur isteach ar phoist san ollscoil sin maidir le rudaí nach bhfuil baint ar bith acu, i ndáiríre, le post a thógáil - rudaí a bhain ó thaobh na mná de le fuil mhíosta, le deacrachtaí lena gcuid cíocha agus le breith clainne, srl. Tá an-iontas ar dhaoine go gcuirfí a leithéid de cheisteanna os comhair duine ar bith a bheadh ag cur isteach ar phost in aon áit.

Deirtear linn go bhfuil tascfhórsa bunaithe ag Ollscoil na hÉireann, Gaillimh leis an gceist seo a phlé. Tá deacrachtaí ag daoine áirithe sa réimse seo leis an tascfhórsa sin. Ar an gcéad dul síos, ba iad údaráis na hollscoile a chuir an tascfhórsa le chéile. Níl aon ionadaíocht ag na ceardchumainn - SIPTU agus IFUT - ar an tascfhórsa seo, cé gur iarr siad go mbeadh ionadaíocht acu. Níl an ionadaí ó na mic léinn le ceapadh go dtí amach anseo. Tá ceisteanna faoi sin. Tá ceisteanna níos bunúsaí le freagairt. An féidir le ollscoil iniúchadh a dhéanamh isteach iontu féin ó thaobh ceisteanna chomh tromchúiseacha le ceist na cothromaíochta? Tá mé den tuairim gur chóir go mbeadh fiosrúchán neamhspleách ar na ceisteanna seo. Dar liom, bheadh sé níos tapúla agus bheimid cinnte go mbeadh trédhearcacht agus oscailteacht iomlán ag baint leis seo. Tá daoine atá ag obair san ollscoil ag rá liom nach bhfuil mórán taithí ag an dream atá curtha ar an tascfhórsa seo i gcúrsaí cothromaíochta. Ceapann siad chomh maith go bhfuil baint ag cuid mhaith de na daoine atá curtha ar an tascfhórsa le bainistíocht na hollscoile, nó go raibh baint acu leis sin roimhe seo. Is dóigh leo gur cineál "insiders" atá iontu. Dá bhrí sin, tá cuid mhaith den fhoireann ag rá go mbeidh easpa muiníne acu dul os comhair a leithéid de thascfhórsa le ceisteanna chomh tromchúiseacha leis na ceisteanna seo a phlé, mar gheall ar an taithí atá acu go dtí seo. Cé go bhfuil sé ráite nach bhfuil an ceistneoir le n-úsáid arís, tuigtear dom go gcuirtear cuid de na ceisteanna fós sna hagallaimh a chuirtear ar dhaoine.

Tá daoine ag ardú ceisteanna chomh maith maidir leis na costais dlí atá ar Ollscoil na hÉireann, Gaillimh ó thaobh na comhairle a fhaigheann an ollscoil faoi dhaoine a bhíonn le ceapadh agus faoi cheisteanna a bhaineann le cothromaíocht, srl. Tuigtear dom freisin go bhfuil comhlacht caidreamh poiblí an-mhór le rá fostaithe ag an ollscoil anois le scéal níos fearr a chur amach maidir le obair na hollscoile sna réimsí seo. Cé mhéad a chosnaíonn sé sin chomh maith céanna? Ní dóigh liom go mbaineann an cheist seo le Ollscoil na hÉireann, Gaillimh amháin. Is dóigh liom go mbaineann sé leis an earnáil tríú leibhéal trí chéile. Nuair a bhí mé ag an gComhchoiste um Oideachas agus Coimirce Shóisialach le déanaí, dúirt ionadaithe ón Údarás um Ard-Oideachas liom go bhfuil imní orthu faoi cheist na cothromaíochta - go háirithe ó thaobh cearta na mban, cearta na ndaoine faoi mhíchumas agus fostaíocht de - trasna na hearnála. Tuigtear dom freisin go bhful stailc ar bun inniu ag léachtóirí i gColáiste San Aingeal, Sligeach mar go bhfuil deacrachtaí acu siúd maidir leis an gcaoi ina bhfuil an coláiste sin le cónascadh le Ollscoil na hÉireann, Gaillimh. An dtabharfaidh an tAire soiléiriú dom? An gceapann sí go bhfuil fiosrúchán neamhspleách ag teastáil sa chás seo? An aontaíonn sí nach bhfuil an tascfhórsa atá comhdhéanta ag an gcoláiste ionadaíoch ná neamhspleách?

Tá a fhios agam go bhfuil imní ar an Seanadóir faoin cheist seo. Níl sé sásta leis an tascfhórsa atá curtha ar bun ag Ollscoil na hÉireann, Gaillimh.

I am satisfied NUI Galway is being proactive in responding to the recent decision of the Equality Tribunal on gender discrimination, and is at the forefront of the universities sector in this respect. As the Senator stated, NUI Galway has established a task force, chaired by Professor Jane Grimson, former Vice-Provost of Trinity College Dublin. The task force will set out its full and detailed terms of reference after its first meeting in the coming weeks.

The task force consists of a number of highly respected members from inside and external to the university, whom I consider well placed to advise the university on its policies, procedures and a range of initiatives to achieve gender equality in promotion. NUI Galway has committed to the development of a range of gender equality initiatives through the international Athena SWAN programme, which I launched recently at the Department. This has been a real force for change in other countries, and I hope to see it have similar positive effects for women working in higher education in Ireland.

The Higher Education Authority, HEA, is actively considering how best to support the improvement of gender equality throughout the Irish higher education system and is developing a database of staff employed in the sector, so we can ensure gender equality becomes a reality at all levels in the academic profession in Ireland. The data shows that in Ireland women represent 43% of academic staff in the universities and institutes of technology. However, only 21% of professors and associate professors in Irish universities are female, and the national average is approximately 19%. This problem is not unique to Ireland. The European Commission's 2012 report, Gender in Research and Innovation, showed that throughout the EU member states women represented only 20% of professorial staff. This problem is not unique to higher education; more broadly, gender inequality is reflected in purely economic terms in the differences in earnings between men and women throughout the world. In this context, I am pleased to report that in the World Economic Forum's Gender Gap Report 2014, Ireland was ranked 8th, above the US which was ranked 20th, and the UK which was ranked 26th. I am not hugely proud of this but we are in a better place than some other countries.

In terms of higher education specifically, gender equality is well established in Irish legislation. The HEA has a specific legislative role in "promoting the attainment of equality of opportunity in higher education". The Universities Act 1997 and the Institutes of Technology Act 2006 require our higher education institutions to promote gender balance and equality of opportunity among students and staff, and to prepare and implement statements of policy in respect of equality, including gender equality, across all of their activities. The HEA has a role in reviewing these policies.

Ireland's National Strategy for Higher Education to 2030 emphasises the equal importance of the three core roles of higher education institutions, namely, teaching and learning, research, and engagement with wider society. There have been a range of initiatives to address the under-representation of women in science, which has been a matter of growing concern among policy-makers internationally in recent years. These initiatives provide a catalyst for affirmative action in respect of gender equality at institutional level. I hope the Athena SWAN programme in particular will make a real change in higher education in Ireland.

Tá iontas orm go bhfuil an tAire ag rá go bhfuil sí sásta leis an gcur chuige atá ag NUIG, fiú ar an mbunphointe nach bhfuil ionadaí ó aon cheann de na ceardchumainn a bhaineann leis an gceist seo - SIPTU, IFUT nó Aontas na Mac Léinn in Éirinn - ar an tascfhórsa. Cheapfaí, ar mhaithe leis na n-oibrithe agus na daoine atá san ollscoil, go mbeadh ar a laghad duine amháin acu sin ionadaíoch ann. Luaigh an tAire ina freagra Acht na nOllscoileanna, 1997. Tuigtear dom go bhfuil cumhacht faoi leith aici mar Aire cuairt a shocrú faoin Acht sin. D'fhéadfadh sí daoine neamhspleácha a chur isteach ar chuairt chuig an ollscoil le féachaint an bhfuil gach rud in ord agus in eagar. Iarraim uirthi breathnú ar sin agus bualadh le ionadaithe ó na ceardchumainn, údarás na hollscoile agus na páirtithe leasmhara. Níl mé ag déanamh aon réamhbhreithiúnas, ach sílim go bhfuil an rud seo i bhfad níos measa agus níos tromchúisí ná mar a cheapann daoine. Tá sé tábhachtach go mbeadh an tAire ar an airdeall ar fad faoi seo.

I stated I am satisfied it is being proactive. It is a matter for it specifically, rather than for me, to establish the task force which it has done. It would probably argue this is not specifically an industrial relations matter. The Senator made the point the trade unions are not represented. I want to see proactive engagement on behalf of the higher education sector generally on these matters. A very specific matter has arisen at NUI Galway, as identified by the decision of the Equality Tribunal. We will certainly keep a watching brief on progress.

Sitting suspended at 2.55 p.m. and resumed at 3.35 p.m.
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