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Select Committee on Enterprise, Trade and Employment díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021

Vote 32 - Enterprise, Trade and Employment (Supplementary)

I am pleased to have the opportunity to discuss our Department’s Supplementary Estimate with the members of the select committee this afternoon. I have been asked by the Tánaiste to express his apologies for not being able to attend the committee today as he is abroad on Government business.

The committee secretariat has been provided with the briefing by the Department’s officials who are with me today, Mr. Cathal O'Gorman and Ms Bernadette Hawkes, in relation to the various elements of the Supplementary Estimate, which hopefully has been of assistance to the members of the committee. With the permission of the Chairman, I will provide a little detail in relation to the main elements of the Supplementary Estimate.

I affirm that the Estimate being presented to the committee this afternoon is not seeking any additional Exchequer funding over and above the €1.142 billion gross provision provided to our Department in the 2021 Further Revised Estimates approved by the Dáil in June. Rather, the Estimate is of a technical nature as it is seeking permission to redistribute some €41.55 million in savings to support a number of particular priorities on the Department’s Vote.

The Department’s 2021 Supplementary Estimate has the following distinct elements. A €33 million redistribution within the Enterprise Ireland A7 Subhead will establish an innovation equity fund. This will allow for the establishment of a €90 million investment fund, made up of a €30 million keystone investment from our Department, matched by a €30 million investment from the European Investment Fund, EIF, via the InvestEU programme, and a co-investment of €30 million from the Ireland Strategic Investment Fund, ISIF. The additional €3 million investment from the Department will cover fees associated with the administration of the fund. In addition, there is €550,000 for the humanitarian flood relief scheme, subhead A15, to fund claims made as a result of flooding incidents and €8 million will be used for subscriptions to international organisations, subhead B6, for the European Space Agency.

The innovation equity fund, which was announced by the Minister for Finance in budget 2021, is designed to provide seed venture capital to innovative Irish companies and will be an important step in maturing the Irish venture capital market. The fund, totalling €90 million, will be made up of a €33 million contribution from the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment’s Vote, of which €3 million will cover the administrative costs of the fund. The European Investment Fund will match this investment by providing a further €30 million from the InvestEU programme, and the Irish Strategic Investment Fund will co-invest a further €30 million.

The fund will be led by Enterprise Ireland, with the European Investment Fund acting as fund manager and will be structured as a fund-of-funds. This means that the fund will invest in other specialist fund managers who will target specific objectives and sections of the market. The first call of the fund will be launched in early 2022 and all investments are expected to be made within a three-year timeframe. The investments are forecast to have a ten-year life. Investments will be targeted and prioritised in areas that are experiencing difficulty in attracting investment including life sciences; healthcare and pharma; fintech; technology and digitalisation; green and environmental; and female-led enterprises. They will try to target these companies at very early stage, with seed capital for start-ups also.

A fund of this size, backed by these experienced partners, is an important step in developing the investment ecosystem in Ireland. It aims to attract new fund managers and new private investors to crowd-in further private equity investment. There is strong demand for seed venture capital in Ireland. The most recent call for applications to Enterprise Ireland’s seed and venture capital scheme in May 2021 amounted to a funds request of more than €350 million. With €71 million available to allocate, Enterprise Ireland had to scale back allocations to even the strongest fund managers. This will give the committee a view of the demand out there.

The humanitarian relief scheme programme, which is funded through subhead A15 on our Department’s Vote, is intended to provide humanitarian support for small businesses, community, voluntary and sporting bodies who experience flood damage to their premises as a consequence of a severe weather event and who have been previously refused flood insurance. The Department took over responsibility for this scheme from the Department of Defence. The humanitarian relief scheme is not a statutory-based scheme. The Department is currently exploring the possibility of establishing the scheme on a statutory basis. In the interim, the scheme is administered on an emergency humanitarian basis. This requires that ad hoc emergency schemes are established as and when required by severe weather events.

Ad hoc emergency schemes are administered by the Irish Red Cross on behalf of the Department. The role of the Irish Red Cross is to advertise, process applications and check criteria to be met via the local authorities and assessors and once verified, to distribute payments to eligible beneficiaries. The ad hoc emergency schemes are designed to enable affected businesses to seek immediate assistance for costs of up to €5,000 to remediate damages from the weather event in question. This essentially allows for applications and payments to be processed as speedily as possible. In the event that applicants have incurred significant damages above €5,000, further support can be provided following detailed assessments by the Irish Red Cross Society, which can include a physical assessment of the damages suffered.

The total level of support available under an ad hoc scheme is capped at €20,000. The establishment of an ad hoc emergency scheme requires Government approval. Four such ad hoc emergency relief schemes were approved by Government in the course of 2020. Thankfully, we have had no need for any in 2021 so far. While a number of claims under the 2020 schemes approved by Government were paid in that year, others were not paid out until 2021. The reason for the delay in processing payments was due to Covid-19 related restrictions, whereby the Irish Red Cross assessors were unable to finalise on-site inspections until Covid restrictions were lifted. This resulted in a number of invoices relating to 2020 flooding events not being submitted until April and May 2021 by the Irish Red Cross. The €550,000 being sought in the Supplementary Estimate today is required to meet the costs of claims submitted for payment during 2021.

I will turn now to the European Space Agency, ESA. Ireland has been a member of ESA since 1975. Irish membership is through an annual subscription that allows Irish companies and researchers to competitively bid for ESA tenders and contracts. The value of the resulting contracts is commensurate with Ireland’s contribution to the overall ESA budget. Over the past five years, close to €80 million has been awarded in contracts. The primary rationale for Ireland’s continued investment in ESA is to support innovative companies and researchers to develop leading-edge technologies for commercial exploitation in the global space market; to develop valuable research and business linkages with other space organisations; to spin out high-reliability and high-performance space technologies into non-space markets; and to spin technologies into the space market.

The year 2020 was a very successful year for Ireland’s engagement with the European Space Agency as a total value of €13.3 million in contracts were awarded to Irish-based industry and researchers by the ESA.

The year 2020 also saw record growth in the number of Irish companies engaging with ESA support programmes, with 13 new companies securing their first ESA contract. This is the highest number of new-entrant Irish companies recorded in any given year to date.

In 2020, Irish companies demonstrated the practical value of their technologies by joining the fight against Covid-19. Three Irish companies were selected by ESA to develop solutions using satellite systems. The successful projects include a virtual command-and-control centre, which will streamline and support effective emergency response, a device that tracks the spread of Covid-19 using real-time satellite data, and a wearable technology that will support remote monitoring of patient health in the community.

The €8 million in additional funding proposed today will be invested across six programmes in key technology areas such as earth observation, telecommunications and technology development. Some of the programmes that will benefit from this additional funding include: the Copernicus space component which enables industry to develop technologies to implement the EU’s Copernicus satellite missions; advanced research in telecommunications systems, ARTES, which enables industry to explore, through research and development activities, innovative concepts to produce leading-edge satcom products and services; business applications, BASS, which supports downstream applications of advanced satellite systems and including the next phase of Ireland’s ESA business incubator; the Earth observation programme, EOP, which supports industrial activity using Earth observation technologies; the navigation innovation and support programme, NAVISP, a programme in navigation to foster innovation and competitiveness of European industry; and the general support technology programme, GSTP, which, together with ESA, participating states and industry, seeks to convert promising engineering concepts into a broad spectrum of useable products.

Space is an area of growing importance for Ireland. The number of Irish-based companies engaged with the European Space Agency has grown by almost 60% in the last five years; from 55 companies in 2015 up to 87 in 2020. The national space strategy for enterprise provides a roadmap for future investment in the space sector and our continued membership of ESA is an integral element of that strategy. The additional funding being provided through the Supplementary Estimate will help further the objectives of the national space strategy.

As advised, this Supplementary Estimate is technical in its nature as it involves the redistribution of €41.55 million in savings from within our Department’s 2021 voted gross allocation of €1.142 billion. The Supplementary Estimates package being presented to the committee this afternoon represents approximately 3.6% of our total allocation.

The 2021 voted allocation included significant discrete additional moneys to enable the Department and our agencies to be able to continue to respond the challenges of Covid and Brexit. Much of this additional funding was provided to support Enterprise Ireland's Covid-focused programmes. In this regard Enterprise Ireland was provided with a total allocation of €415.956 million for use on its enterprise development programmes this year. This represented an almost threefold increase on its core allocation for these programmes. The additional moneys provided to Enterprise Ireland was to ensure that it could continue to provide targeted supports in a timely manner to businesses as they continue to deal with the impacts of Covid and Brexit.

The supports include measures such as the small business assistance scheme for Covid, SBASC, and the sustaining enterprise fund. The nature of these schemes is that there can be a time-lag between the approval of applications and the projects underlying such applications being completed and submitted for payment. These time-lags resulted in payments under a number of Enterprise Ireland's schemes, such as the two mentioned, not being drawn as had been expected. Essentially, therefore, the savings on the Enterprise Ireland allocation is the basis for the funding of the Supplementary Estimates package of €41.549 million.

I hope the foregoing outlines the various elements of the Supplementary Estimate before the committee this afternoon and I look forward to answering any questions members may have.

As all members are joining the meeting remotely, I asked them to raise their hand to indicate they wish to speak and more importantly to take it down when they finish speaking.

I wish to ask about funding for ventilation. What funding has been provided for small businesses to invest in improved ventilation or filtration systems? The Scottish Government established a £25 million business ventilation fund for SMEs. I believe we could do with something similar here.

A number of supports have been provided to businesses across a range of grants to assist in their efforts to deal with Covid and Brexit. Tomorrow, a Bill relating to ventilation will be discussed in the House. While there have been numerous supports through the restart grants and the various funds, we have not detailed how that money should be spent on any individual part of the business. We have engaged directly with many sectors and they have had a range of requests for funding for various supports. We have responded as best we can, but we do not specify what that money must be spent on.

The back-to-work protocol contains guidance and advice on what we believe the money should be spent on in order to make the workplace secure for employees to return and for customers to come in. Part of that advice and guidance relates to ventilation. I do not have the document with me to refer to. However, we can discuss it tomorrow during the debate on the Bill. I know Deputy Paul Murphy has a particular interest in this area and I look forward to hearing his views tomorrow as we tease through the Bill.

I thank the Minister of State. Even in advance of us discussing the Bill tomorrow, under the Safety, Health and Welfare at Work (General Application) Regulations 2007, an employer is required to ensure that sufficient fresh air is provided in enclosed spaces of work. It continues to deal with ventilation systems and so on. A weakness is that it does not define what that is. Nonetheless, there is a general legal requirement on employers to provide sufficient fresh air, which obviously has increased importance in the context of the Covid pandemic. Obviously, the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment has responsibility for the Health and Safety Authority, HSA. How is the Health and Safety Authority policing this requirement and its inspections? Has it received any extra funding to police this requirement?

The HSA has been given extra resources in the past couple of years, mainly in response to Covid and Brexit. It has taken a leading role in that work. In 2021, 54 additional posts were sanctioned in the Health and Safety Authority as part of a phased recruitment process. Of those 54 posts, 42 were inspector grade posts. In 2020, the authority had 174 members of staff, of whom 105 were full-time inspectors. In conjunction with the other public health systems, it has taken a leading role in trying to manage inspections across a range of workplaces, some of which the Deputy will be very familiar with.

While the Health and Safety Authority leads on them, its own inspectors do not carry out every inspection. They are done in conjunction with all the others such as HSE staff, the public health team of the Department etc. They carry out inspections on a list of areas whenever they make a call. I am sure that includes the ventilation. I do not have the detail of the focus of that work to hand. I can request that from the HSA and I have no problem with sharing it with the Deputy. Inspectors home in on a range of issues. For example, part of the work during a farm inspection will take in farm safety as part of that inspection. It depends on the sector being visited, but naturally ventilation would be part of that where appropriate. Generally, adherence to the back-to-work protocol and all the safety measures put in place has been quite good. The last time I checked, there was more than 90% compliance with the requirements. I would be happy to get an update for the Deputy on this specific area he mentioned.

The budget 2022 expenditure report claimed that the HSA had greatly increased staff. However, I understand it was revealed in March that the HSA had hired one extra inspector in 2020 and an additional three inspectors by April of this year, bringing the total to 70. To call that greatly increased staff is to put a very optimistic gloss on it.

The Minister of State referred to increased funding for the HSA. As far as I understand, when the reduction of income from sources other than direct Department payments is taken into account, the overall budget of the Health and Safety Authority actually fell last year from €26.76 million to €21.1 million. I ask the Minister of State to comment on that.

In conjunction with work done by the HSA and its board, there was a request for additional money for staff and resources for 2020 and 2021. That request was approved and an extra €4.2 million was sanctioned to enable the work we are doing in the occupational health division. That has resulted and will result in recruitment of extra inspectors and other staff. There is a time lag in trying to source the people needed, training them up and getting people with the relevant qualifications. The HSA puts in a lot of effort to make sure the inspectors it hires have qualifications relevant to the sectors on which they are to focus. The number of staff has increased and will increase further, and the resources to achieve that are in place.

I welcome the Minister of State to the committee meeting. This seems like fairly technical stuff. The Department has saved some money through the Vote for Enterprise Ireland, EI, and is redistributing it through different mechanisms. I have just a few questions. Regarding the humanitarian flood relief scheme and the funding of €550,000 for it, am I right in saying that that money was not paid out but will be paid out - in other words, that decisions have been made that the money is to be paid to companies, businesses, sporting organisations and so on that were impacted by floods last year? I think I am correct in saying that that is what the note stated. The Minister of State might clarify that that is the case and that that money is already accounted for and needs to be paid. Is that funding in addition to other such funding that has already been made available in this regard?

I am interested in the investment fund. There is a lot going on there. It is quite good and will crowd in a lot more funding from the private sector. The Minister of State may not have the answer to this here and now, but it has been brought to my attention that some Irish companies, when they reach a certain scale, cannot go any further and are very often sold off at that stage. Some of these companies will have received funding from the Department, that is, from EI and so on. Has the Department done any research into how these companies can be maintained in Irish ownership and continue growing rather than being sold off?

The Minister of State mentioned the base component. I know there are a range of Sentinel satellites and so on involved here. Could he give us some examples as to how Ireland is benefiting from the leading-edge research and work going on in this regard?

Those are three questions under three levels of funding the Minister of State has brought forward.

Finally, regarding advanced research in telecommunications systems, is the Minister of State satisfied that our mobile phones are safe from hacking? We are now reliant on a number of carriers out there. There are three or four very large carriers. I do not think any of them is based in Ireland. How satisfied is the Minister of State that we - politicians, business people and so on - are safe from being hacked? What work is the Department doing to ensure we can guarantee people who invest in Ireland that the telecoms platforms we use here are secure?

I will try to answer those questions as best I can, working through them in reverse order.

I am afraid I am not the competent person to answer the Deputy's last question about the security of telecommunications because it is beyond my expertise and above my pay grade, but I will get him a note on the matter. A lot of the work we invest in with our technological companies, including through ESA contracts, are in that sphere, but I cannot give the Deputy an answer to his question because it does not fall within the remit of our Department. I will get him a note on the matter, no problem, because it is a relevant question to ask. It is funny that none of the various investors we have met who are choosing to locate here or to expand their business operations here has ever asked that question. It is certainly a relevant one.

As to how the country has benefited from the various contracts through the ESA, I will outline a few businesses for Deputy Stanton and I have no problem dropping him a note on them. I will not outline the money we allocate to each company because that is commercially sensitive information, but I have no problem giving the Deputy information on the applications of some of the successful companies over the years. If it is okay with you, Chair, I will go through some of them now. I will take Cork first, seeing as Deputy Stanton is from County Cork. There is PMD Solutions in Cork. It has developed a patient monitoring system called Corona-RS. It will be used by healthcare professionals, using satellite technology to monitor the health status of patients in the community who are suffering the effects of Covid-19 and other respiratory illnesses. That is a very useful intervention. Another company also, as it turns out, based in Cork - it is just a coincidence that they are listed here - is Treemetrics. It has secured funding to develop a new platform to enable the production of forest certification and carbon verification standards. That will really help not just Ireland but the world to deal with the effects of climate change and to try to assert a baseline in that area. Ubotica Technologies, in Dublin, got a contract to incorporate its artificial intelligence technology to enable the first ever hardware-accelerated artificial intelligence inference of data in an orbit satellite. It is contributing to space, so, while it does not benefit Ireland directly, it has a role in that regard. There is a spend of more than €350 billion in space technology annually. That is what the sector is worth and we want a share of that corporate spend. I will give the Deputy another example. A Galway company won three technology development activities and highly competitive ESA tenders relating to optical satellite communications. Again, all the communications technology used in space ends up being useful to us in our technology development as well. I am happy to send the Deputy my list rather going through all the details now. It might have been included in the briefing - I am not sure - but I will certainly send it to him as well. As it turns out, there are three more Cork companies listed, he will be delighted to know. I can come back to this at the end of the committee meeting if he would like me to do so. These companies are useful.

To respond to the question about the innovation fund and what we are trying to achieve with it, Deputy Stanton has correctly identified that as companies grow and expand and as some of them try to start, access to investment money, equity and capital to expand, as opposed to borrowings, is an issue. This is not just an Irish issue. It is something we have worked a lot on over recent years. There are quite a few stakeholders with which Enterprise Ireland engages to try to match up companies for private investment as well as Enterprise Ireland using its own funds, but there are always gaps in the market. As I said earlier, with the application for funding of €350 million from Enterprise Ireland, it could accommodate only €70 million of that, and there are different levels of intervention and different stages of companies' growth. That fund tries to focus mainly on the seed capital and start-ups. The Deputy mentioned other companies that want to expand and grow. Through our SME task force, we want to encourage those companies that stay in Ireland to secure the investment here and to be able to locate in Ireland and to create jobs here. It is an issue for Ireland and Europe that there are companies we lose. Stripe is an example of a company that originally could not source the investment it needed in Ireland and relocated to the US to source investment. We do not want to see that happen again. That does not mean we have the funds to invest in every company, but we are trying to build up these funds. Our Department's investment of €33 million, matched with the European Investment Bank's €30 million and the ISIF money, gives us a €90 million fund, which will then draw down other funds and possibly help us to secure investment in companies of over €160 million if it all multiplies correctly. That is what we are trying to achieve. We are trying to find solutions to exactly the situations to which Deputy Stanton referred. This is for start-ups but we will work on other solutions as well. We have other offerings but we want to expand these offerings.

The tax system is a major issue when it comes to attracting investment and funds. There is a tax commission set up into which our Department will feed and which will look at all these issues of taxation that would encourage or discourage investment in companies and services. That is something we will try to do. We want to see as many companies as possible stay in Irish ownership but, more important, to keep the jobs in Ireland. The Deputy has flagged this and we will continue to work on it.

The other question I had was about the humanitarian flood relief scheme.

The money we are approving today was approved under the 2020 scheme and has been paid out this year. Parts of this €403,000 have been paid and there is some more still to be paid. It is a knock-on effect of not being able to complete the work to pay this money in 2020 that it has come into 2021. These schemes are not ideal in that they are ad hoc. To me, however, and having sat around that emergency co-ordination table during those events, I found it very useful to know that the Red Cross was available and at quick notice could set up a scheme and initially roll out money quite quickly. With larger claims there is a bit more work involved by the Red Cross to do with site inspection and so on. That is why there would be a time delay. Generally, however, these funds are paid out quite quickly. We like that because, generally, these businesses are under immense pressure there and then and most cases relate to flooding. The Red Cross tries to respond quickly.

Discussions are ongoing between ourselves and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform on whether it would be better to set up a permanent, statutory scheme as opposed to an ad hoc one. We are investigating that at the moment and will report back to the committee on it in due course. This scheme would originally have been housed in the Department of Defence but as money is mainly paid out to businesses and community enterprises, it is probably best that it is located in our Department now.

I have met some business people who benefited from that scheme when they were flooded and they were very grateful for the assistance provided. They needed help urgently and the money was paid very quickly.

I have one final question. The Minister of State mentioned green and environmental schemes and one of the issues that is coming up frequently is remote working. In some cases, people are not working from home but from digital hubs in provincial towns and so forth. At the moment, it seems that all of the funding is geared towards the not-for-profit sector. Has the Government or the Department looked at assisting in the establishment of larger hubs that might be used by large businesses so that rather than hundreds of people having to travel every day into centres near cities, they could stay in their own provincial towns and work there? This would be beneficial for the environment as well as reducing the amount of time spent commuting and the stress associated with that. A lot of good work has been done by other Departments with respect to some of these hubs but they are usually small scale, with relatively small numbers and set up by not-for-profit bodies. Is it time to look beyond that and to grow such hubs further, bringing them to the next level as they have done in other countries?

The Deputy is right. The development of hub infrastructure is key. It almost a year since the Tánaiste launched our remote working strategy, the objective of which is to ensure that remote working becomes a permanent feature for our workforce. A key part of that is the option to work in a hub. Remote working does not always mean working from home and not everyone would choose that option. There is, however, a lot of interest in developing our hub space. Part of the strategy involved conducting a mapping exercise to clearly identify where our hubs are and to match that with funding administered through Enterprise Ireland, our own internal provincial affairs department and through various community schemes. That exercise is largely complete and shows that there is a network of around 400 hubs. There is still capacity in many of them but we have identified some areas where there is a shortage of capacity. We are working with the Community Enterprise Association Ireland to identify where the needs are so that we can respond with the development of new remote working, co-working spaces. Enterprise Ireland is due to publish its three year strategy in the coming months which will outline its role in administering departmental finance for the development of digital hub spaces and remote working spaces. I think that strategy will be published in January and it will identify the role of Enterprise Ireland in this area. The Department, through Enterprise Ireland, will fund these spaces in conjunction with other funding streams.

Another key way in which we fund hub development is through the regional enterprise strategies. Over the last roll-out of those plans in the last three years, nine regions invested in hub spaces all over the country. They have been very successful. Some of them are remote working spaces while others are development hubs in areas like food innovation, as well as business hubs. In a lot of the draft strategies that are coming through now and which will be signed off and announced in spring 2022 emphasis is placed on the development of hub spaces. It is important that we do that and that the money is secured to implement those schemes. We will work with colleagues in other Departments to promote investment in hub space and working from home. A key part of our Covid response was the provision of additional money to upgrade our existing hubs, many of which are managed by our Local Enterprise Offices, LEOs or in conjunction with LEOs or local economic development teams in our local authorities. Such upgrades were also made possible by grant funding through Enterprise Ireland. We have provided Enterprise Ireland with additional funds for 2022 to support its programme of development of remote working spaces and start-up spaces for SMEs.

I have some questions of my own. The Minister of State spoke about establishing the humanitarian support scheme on a statutory basis, which I welcome because at the moment it can be quite ad hoc. As Deputy Stanton said, it is a very effective and useful scheme when it does work. I have seen situations where businesses were flooded and the uncertainty around whether they will get grant assistance is very stressful for people so putting the scheme on a statutory basis would be important. I ask the Minister of State to outline the work being done to put the scheme on a statutory footing. Is the scheme sufficiently robust or will more money be required in future due to climate change? Unfortunately, we are probably going to see a lot more flooding than we saw in the past.

Prior to 2008, schemes of this nature would have been funded through the Department of Defence. When it became evident that it was mainly businesses that were seeking assistance, it was decided that the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment would assume responsibility for it.

On the question of whether we need to allocate more money for the scheme, it is generally demand led. The criteria of each scheme is published and then businesses can apply for assistance which is paid out quite quickly to those that qualify. Only for Covid, we would not be having this conversation today because money would have been paid out last year as well.

I sat around the table at an emergency centre during four or five extreme weather events in my previous role as a Minister of State. There were some years when we had quite a lot of such events but thankfully that has not happened in a while. In cases of extreme weather events, the emergency co-ordination centres would have been involved in setting up funds like this but it will not always relate to extreme weather events. That is why the scheme is ad hoc. We simply do not know what the events we will be responding to are, generally. We cannot always assume it will be a certain type of event.

We have had discussions with the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform about the need for a permanent scheme but the difficulty would be in determining the amount of money to put in to the pot. If one takes this year, for example, so far we have had no need for the scheme. We are paying out this year because of delays in administering a scheme from previous years. It is felt that it is not always necessary to have a budget sitting there. A budget head is kept open with €1,000 in it and then we can quickly design a scheme to respond to a particular event when it happens. That has been the thinking so far. There have been negotiations involving my Department as well as the Departments of Defence and Public Expenditure and Reform and across the Government on the best way to deal with this in the future. One aspect being explored is the budget and the other aspect is the legal mechanism and how to put it on a statutory footing. That is where the conversation is at right now and I am happy to provide an update to the committee later in the spring as that conversation develops.

I have another question on the innovation equity fund. The Minister of State spoke about targeting a number of priority areas which have had difficulties in attracting investment including life sciences, healthcare, pharmaceuticals, fintech, technology and digitalisation, green, environmental and female-led enterprises, all of which are very worthwhile. Would the Department also consider looking at the co-operative movement and at microenterprises that are also failing to attract enough investment? Securing solid investment is often a challenge so would the Department consider adding those companies to its list?

The short answer is that we can certainly take a look at them. There is nothing excluded here. The fund is generally aimed at Enterprise Ireland and LEO clients and others that would fit the criteria in terms of struggling to raise equity. The full details of the scheme have not been worked out yet and I have no doubt we will be back before this committee or the Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach to discuss it further.

The fund will also be available to companies coming through the high-potential start up unit which covers a broad range of sectors as well. We should be able to capture the companies to which the Chairman refers. The co-operative model is one that we could take a closer look at in general. We have developed this space a lot when it comes to social enterprise and opportunities do exist in that regard. I would welcome a conversation with the Chairman around the co-operative model and social enterprise which are areas that cross different Departments but which we should study further.

In terms of the details of the scheme, we are hoping it will be open to applicants in early 2022. There will be further discussion on this in the Dáil, as well as at this committee and the Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach.

I thank the Minister of State for that. As nobody else has indicated a wish to speak, I propose that we agree that the consideration of the Supplementary Estimate by the committee has concluded. Is that agreed? Agreed. The clerk will send a message to that effect to the Clerk of the Dáil.

I thank the Minister of State, Deputy English, for assisting the committee in its consideration of the Supplementary Estimate today.

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