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SELECT COMMITTEE ON TOURISM, SPORT and RECREATION díospóireacht -
Thursday, 3 Dec 1998

Vol. 1 No. 3

Estimates for Public Services 1998.

Vote 35: Tourism Sport and Recreation (Supplementary Estimate).

I welcome the Minister for Tourism, Sport and Recreation, Deputy McDaid, and the Minister of State, Deputy Flood. They are present to assist us in considering the Supplementary Estimate. I also welcome the officials accompanying the Minister, namely, JulieO'Neill, Assistant Secretary, Paul Bates, Fergus Walshe and Ger Banville. I am glad we found a suitable date and time for this meeting.

The purpose of the meeting is to consider the Supplementary Estimate for the Department. There will not be a vote on the Estimate as this is a matter for the Dáil. I have circulated Members with the proposed timetable which we used effectively last year. I take it the procedure and timetable is acceptable to Members. Is that agreed? Agreed.

The Minister will make a brief opening statement and I will then call on the Opposition spokespersons. The meeting will then be opened to Members for a discussion with the Minister.

I thank the Chairman and Members of the committee for taking this Vote at this time and for giving me the opportunity to elaborate on the details of the Supplementary Estimate for my Department's Vote. I am pleased that Deputy Flood, Minister of State at my Department, is also with me.

The need for a Supplementary Estimate this year arises for a number of reasons, the most significant of which are the need to fund expenditure on the swimming pools programme, responsibility for which transferred during the year to my Department from the Department of the Environment and Local Government; the need to fund deficiencies in appropriations-in-aid, arising as a result of shortfalls in ESF receipts which the Commission has stated it will not be able to meet until 1999, by virement from savings elsewhere in my Vote; the provision of additional funds to Bord Fáilte to assist with the ongoing development of the national 1798 centre in Enniscorthy, County Wexford, in this the bicentenary of the rebellion; and the allocation of the remainder of savings from within the Vote to subhead B1 in respect of expenditure for marketing campaigns targeted at maintaining tourism growth and addressing regional spread.

The additional expenditure proposed under this Supplementary Vote, therefore, relates primarily to the tourism side of my Department and, before going into the specific details, it would be useful to review briefly the recent performance of the sector and what I am proposing in that context.

Essentially I am proposing additional support for Bord Fáilte's marketing campaigns targeted at maintaining tourism growth and addressing regional spread. It is important, however, to consider my proposal both in the context of the recent performance of the tourism sector and of the challenges with which the industry is, or will shortly be, confronted.

Over the past ten years tourism has enjoyed astonishing and unprecedented success with the number of visitors and, more importantly, foreign revenue earnings from tourism increasing annually. Tourism statistics show that the number of overseas visitors has increased dramatically from 2.4 million in 1988 to over five million in 1997. Over the same period, total foreign revenue earnings have almost trebled from £800 million to £2.1 billion, while employment in the tourism industry has doubled from 60,000 to 120,000. Tourism is now our second largest industry, supporting one in 12 jobs, and is a major contributor to the Irish economy. This growth looks set to continue, with Bord Fáilte forecasting a growth target of 8 per cent in visitor numbers and 9 per cent in revenue for 1998. I am confident that both of these targets will be achieved, making it yet another record breaking year for tourism nationally.

Targets set for 1999, at 7 per cent growth in visitor numbers resulting in 5.78 million visitors, and a 9 per cent increase in total foreign earnings to £2.5 billion, are, I am sure Members will agree, very challenging, particularly given the ever expanding tourism economic base and increased competitive pressures facing the industry. The additional funds which I am now seeking will help to ensure that Bord Fáilte's marketing campaigns reach a sufficient level to make the necessary impact in our core markets and thereby achieve those targets. In particular, a special effort will be made to boost activity in our continental markets, including Germany where a number of new initiatives are planned to redress the decline of the last number of years. I have also asked the board to pay particular attention to the more general issue of the regional spread of tourism. Since coming into office I have been anxious to do what I can to help bring about a wider regional spread of tourism benefits. As a result of a Supplementary Estimate in 1997, Bord Fáilte benefited from a boost to its 1997-8 marketing programme which enabled it to undertake a comprehensive programme of activity to support the achievement of national growth targets and to make an initial effort to promote a more balanced regional distribution of tourism benefits.

As our tourism industry continues to grow, it is vitally important that the growth is on a sustainable basis. Because of our low population density, low intensity farming and an absence of traditional heavy industries, we have tended to take our strong environmental position for granted. Our international reputation as a green, uncrowded destination, with unspoilt scenery and unpolluted coasts, is one of our major selling points, in particular to the modern discerning high yield visitor.

However, while our recent strong growth levels have given rise to congestion in certain resort areas in the peak season, not all regions and not all sectors have experienced growth at the current national levels. There is little doubt that this year's bad summer weather affected business, particularly domestic business in the west. Both of these factors highlight the continued need for wider regional and seasonal spread. On one hand, we must pay greater attention to visitor flow management and good conservation practice in product development. It was for this reason that I launched a pilot tourism and the environment initiative late last year, with the objective of generating practical projects which could point to ways of supporting tourism development, while at the same time sustaining the environment on which it is based.

We must, on the other hand, and in a complementary fashion, continue our efforts to enhance the marketing of tourism attractions in the other less developed regions of the country. This can be done through funding support for regional tourism authorities to work with county and local groups in undertaking well-focused marketing activity and through product marketing led by Bord Fáilte, by promoting the products which naturally favour the underperforming regions.

A number of factors have contributed to Ireland's growth in recent years.

These include increased investment in facilities for visitors; a significant degree of buoyancy within key source markets, notably Britain and the United States; the continuation of competition in air travel which has had a favourable impact on the availability and cost of access to the country; and Ireland's increasingly fashionable image as a holiday destination.

It is important that we do not take this success for granted. As we approach the new millennium, the challenge to create further economic growth and employment has never been greater. One of the major tools available to Ireland's tourism marketing effort is Tourism Brand Ireland, which will be three years old in 1999. Market research conducted by both Bord Fáilte and OTMI has confirmed that the uniqueness of the Irish holiday experience lies in the personal and warm interaction between visitors and the Irish people - "people and spontaneity" as the market researchers categorise it. This is the very essence of our brand. As with any branding strategy, however, there is a requirement to review its progress, ensure its effectiveness and measure its vitality and impact. Accordingly, support funding is also being provided to facilitate a review and further development of the TBI project.

I cannot overstate the contribution which two successive EU operational programmes for tourism have made to our recent tourism performance. However, given the uncertainty over future EU funding, we have to be prudent and consider all possible alternatives.

Funding for tourism destination after 1999 is a critical issue, and I am considering a range of options at present as to how such a fund might be constituted and operated on a partnership basis with the industry. In the meantime, it is essential that Bord Fáilte has the necessary funds to enable it sustain the marketing programmes which will maintain Ireland's competitive position in the world market and help to build a firm base from which we can meet the challenges that lie ahead.

As a result of this Supplementary Estimate, Bord Fáilte will, in total, spend an additional £6.15 million through subhead B1 of my Department's Vote. The expenditure will be employed to support the advancement of the 1999 forecast tourism growth of 7 per cent in visitor numbers and 9 per cent in foreign revenue earnings; to encourage the promotion of a balanced regional distribution of the benefits of tourism; and to facilitate a review and further development of the Tourism Brand Ireland project.

The aim will be to enhance the ongoing effort to market the tourism attractions of the various regions throughout the country, while at the same time enhancing the international profile of Ireland as an attractive tourism destination. Within this framework I have also directed that a special effort be made to boost our promotional activity in the Continental market, particularly in Germany and France. The sluggishness of the German economy has been inhibiting our tourism traffic from that market, and I am anxious that everything possible be done to restore growth. At a recent meeting with the board of Bord Fáilte, I asked the agency to consider organising, together with the representative bodies, a special initiative involving the smaller players in the industry such as bed and breakfast houses, farmhouses and guesthouses, to promote their facilities.

On the tourism front, I am also very pleased to be able to propose a special allocation of £250,000, under subhead B2 of my Department's Vote in 1998, to assist with the ongoing development of the 1798 National Centre in Enniscorthy, County Wexford, in this, the bicentennial of the rebellion. The centre is a state-of-the-art visitor attraction which tells the whole complex story of the United Irishmen rising of 1798 and is a marvellous heritage amenity for the town. It was designated the National Centre by the Government earlier this year and the additional funding is clear evidence of our commitment to the development of quality heritage sites.

I also propose to offset savings of £24,000 in subhead B5, exchange loss on certain ICC Bank plc foreign borrowings for tourism development, to subhead B9, EU support for small business tourism, against unexpected over-expenditure of £22,000 in that subhead. This will facilitate increased costs this year of the interest subsidy payable in respect of tourism loans under the subsidised loan scheme.

This Supplementary Estimate is also being used to transfer responsibility for the national lottery-funded swimming pools programme to my Department from the Department of the Environment and Local Government. As Minister with responsibility for tourism, sport and recreation, it is logical and reasonable that, since my Department had responsibility for the administration of the sports capital programme, which included a swimming pool element, it should also have the additional responsibility for the operation and management of the swimming pools programme. In so doing, I am also conscious of the particular objective in my Department's strategy statement to adopt a more strategic approach to sports facility provision. Having responsibility for both programmes will facilitate a more integrated approach to the provision of swimming pool facilities.

Members will be aware that the swimming pool programme is funded by surplus national lottery funds. Under this programme, capital grants are available towards the approved cost of refurbishing an existing swimming pool and towards the cost of a new pool, inclusive of the cost of modest ancillary facilities. The proposed works must comply with the standards laid down in the procedures for the planning, approval and financing of swimming pools and technical guidelines. All proposals must be supported by the local authority. Where a project is being undertaken by an organisation other than a local authority, the proposal must be considered, in the first instance, by the local authority concerned. Before supporting an application, the local authority would have to be satisfied that the proposal is viable, that the balance of funding required to complete the project is available and that the project, when completed, will have a satisfactory level of access available to the general public.

In summary, the £3 million being sought as part of the Supplementary Estimate is to cater for the transfer of responsibility for the operation and management of the programme from the Department of the Environment and Local Government into a new subhead in my Department's Vote - subhead C6.

Other adjustments in various subheads of my Department's Vote offset the funds required under this Supplementary Estimate. Under subhead B3 - overseas tourism marketing initiative limited, OTMI - a saving of £0.308 million comes as a result of a reduction in European Regional Development Fund associated funding arising from currency adjustments under the EU operational programme for tourism, 1994-9. Under subhead B4 - special tourism marketing initiatives - a saving of £0.2 million arises as a result of anticipated expenditure in respect of special tourism marketing projects being less than expected.

Under subhead C3 - grants for the provision of major sports facilities which are national lottery funded - there is a provision of £9 million in this year's Estimates for my Department for grant expenditure under the sports capital programme, comprising £6 million on the major facilities scheme and £3 million on the recreational facilities scheme. Expenditure under the programme in 1998 will amount to £6 million. The savings of £3 million on the major facilities scheme arise due to a number of factors. These include a number of major projects which were due to commence in 1998 that did not go ahead, for example, Athlone regional sports centre and St. Catherine's Project in Dublin; delays occurring due to the unavailability of registered contractors and the inability of projects to raise sufficient funds locally to get projects up and running in 1998, and delays in obtaining planning permission and in submitting the necessary documentation required under the terms and conditions of the programme in order for payment of the grants to be made.

The development of quality infrastructure is critical to the future of sport in Ireland. In this context, the sports capital programme administered by my Department is very important. This programme provides national lottery funding towards the provision of sports facilities at national, regional and local levels. It is the primary vehicle for promoting the development of sport and recreational facilities in Ireland and comprises the major facilities and recreational facilities schemes.

The major facilities scheme is a multi-annual sports capital programme which assists with the provision of major sports facilities at national, regional and local levels. The recreational facilities scheme assists voluntary and community organisations in providing, improving and equipping recreational, leisure and community facilities. The scheme provides essential support to clubs and community groups for the continuing development of their facilities.

Earlier this year, in the context of the 1998 round of grant allocations, I announced that I was initiating a comprehensive review of the sports capital programme. This review, which has been ongoing for the past few months, was undertaken in the context of the implementation of policy for sport and recreation in line with the commitments in the Government's Action Programme for the Millennium. The review of the programme, which I expect will be completed before Christmas, has involved the examination of the objectives, terms of reference and criteria for the existing schemes and the role of other Departments and agencies in the provision of sport and recreation facilities.

The main objective of the review is to develop a new programme which will promote a more strategic and co-ordinated approach to the use of available resources for sport and recreation, particularly in areas of greatest need, and assist with the creation of opportunities to participate in sport and recreation through access to facilities, especially by young people. Once the review is completed, details of the revised programme will be widely publicised and it will be open to clubs and organisations to apply for funding.

The second part of the Supplementary Estimate relates to the Minister of State, Deputy Flood's responsibilities.

In relation to subhead D4 covering the drugs initiative, a sum of £10 million was included in the Vote of my Department this year to meet commitments in relation to the implementation of proposals in the action plans prepared by the local drugs task forces. However, a saving of £5 million will arise this year for reasons which I will explain.

The task forces, which comprise a partnership between the statutory, voluntary and community sectors, were set up at the beginning of last year in the 13 areas experiencing the highest levels of drug abuse. They were mandated to develop strategies to deliver a locally based, integrated response to the drug problem in their areas. The task forces completed their plans between April and November 1997 and following an assessment of them by the national drugs strategy team, the Government allocated £10 million to support their implementation. More than 230 separate initiatives, mostly community based, were approved for funding and the process of implementing the various actions commenced in the latter part of last year.

While the community sector has played a pivotal role in both the process generally and in the preparation of proposals for inclusion in the action plans, there were insufficient community structures in place at the outset of the initiative through which to deliver the proposed programmes and services. As a result, the drawing down of funding to projects has been slower than originally anticipated. I stress, however, that provision has been made in next year's Estimates to meet any outstanding commitments to projects which started late. There is also provision to continue projects which are already up and running, pending their evaluation with a view to possible future mainstreaming.

My Department recently received a report of an external evaluation of the drugs initiative which focused on the effectiveness of the structures and processes associated with the delivery of the initiative rather than its final outcomes. This was in view of the fact the initiative is still at a relatively early stage. The evaluator reported that a significant amount had been achieved in a short space of time and recommended that the process should continue for a further period of at least two years so that it can be fully evaluated in terms of outcomes. The Cabinet committee on social inclusion recently agreed in principle to this recommendation. I am currently preparing detailed proposals on the operation of the initiative over this period with a view to submitting them to the Cabinet committee for consideration at an early date.

The final component of this Supplementary Estimate concerns subhead E of my Depart-ment's Vote. I propose to offset a deficiency of £5.119 million which has arisen as a result of a shortfall in European Structural Funds receipts in respect of programmes administered by the Department under the operational programme for local urban and rural development, the operational programme, URBAN: Ireland and the Programme for Peace and Reconciliation to ensure that there is no loss of momentum under these programmes.

This situation arose as DG5, the EU Commission directorate responsible for social funds, does not have sufficient budgetary credit in 1998 to satisfy the drawdown requests being asked of it. It is important, however, to bear in mind that these receipts will now be received in 1999.

I thank the Chairman and members and I commend the Supplementary Estimate to the Select Committee. The Minister of State and I are available to answer questions.

I welcome the Minister's statement on tourism. It is a vitally important industry and a growing part of the economy. It will become the biggest contributor to the economy in the next two to three years. This is obvious from the statistics and the growth from £2.4 million in 1988 to £5 million in 1997.

I welcome the attention the Minister is paying to ensuring a regional spread of tourism. I have highlighted this matter on a number of occasions and we have a long way to go in this area. While there is congestion in some parts of the country, a tourist is like a dodo in other areas. I welcome the special initiative to promote the facilities of bed and breakfasts, farmhouses and guesthouses. If that is implemented, especially in rural communities, more tourists will be brought to these areas.

The Minister stated in a reply to a parliamentary question before the summer recess that his priorities in the sports area included increasing participation in sport, particularly in disadvantaged communities, promoting a more strategic approach to the use of available resources for sport and helping to overcome the isolating effects of social exclusion by developing appropriate sport and recreational strategies for those areas. However, these targets sound hollow when one considers the savings within the Department in subheads C1, C4 and D4. We have gone from trying to control spending to an era where Departments are awash with funding and incapable of spending it.

The Minister failed to spend the £9.8 million allocated to his Department to implement the Government's drug initiative and for the activities and projects of sports organisations. Through his inability and inefficiency and despite the fact that sporting organisations are crying out for additional funds to increase their activities with young people, he has left this money unspent. A sum of £4.237 million from lottery funding has not been spent and now the Minister proposes to spend it on the tourism sector.

Will he explain to the voluntary organisations why they have not received approval for their applications despite the availability of millions of pounds? Can he also explain why applications from these organisations were closed earlier this year yet he cannot find ways of spending the annual allocation? Can he explain to communities awash with drugs and drug addicts why the £5 million set aside for the local drugs task force has not been spent?

This incompetence clearly shows the Government's inability to tackle the drugs problem. It only allocated the funding after pressure from the Opposition and, although it claimed to have a commitment to tackling the problem, it proceeded to make savings on the allocation. How will the Minister explain this saving to mothers whose families have been destroyed by drug abuse?

The Minister spoke about increased investment in facilities for visitors. What about our own young people? What facilities will they be given? Access to many of these facilities is only available by paying large membership fees. While tourism facilities have been developed throughout the country and grants for such facilities have been increased - a welcome development - there has not been provision of facilities for young people, especially in disadvantaged areas.

Funding will now be transferred from the sports budget to the tourism budget. While additional funding in the tourism sector is both necessary and welcome, it should not come from the sports allocation. I naively believed the reason sport had a voice at Cabinet was to ensure that it was provided with adequate funding. We now see that the reason is to divert funds from this sector, a sector that can help tackle disadvantage, develop community spirit and turn the tide on the growing drugs problem.

The Minister has yet to draw down £27.683 million. How does he expect to ensure this money is spent by the end of the year when he has not drawn it down to date? He should have anticipated this excess last August and ensured that it was reallocated within the sports budget instead of transferring to the tourism sector. If additional funding was required for the tourism sector it should have come from the Department of Finance. Some of the £1 billion savings in the Department of Finance, which was used to pay off the national debt, should have been used for the tourism sector, not the money allocated for sports grants which are badly needed throughout the country.

Many communities are crying out for these funds but the Minister failed to provide them. Applications for sports grants for community projects closed last February yet there are millions of pounds left at the end of the year which the Minister is unwilling to reallocate for these projects. That is where the funding should be directed. The Minister is, in effect, robbing Peter to pay Paul.

The national lottery funds should also be directed to the sports sector. The Minister must ensure the additional funds which should have been allocated within the sports sector will be so allocated. This is preferable to making savings in one area to direct them to the tourism sector.

The Minister said there was a delay in the commencement of the regional sports centre in Athlone. This delay has lasted for some years despite a commitment by the Government, prior to the last election, that the centre would proceed. Is the Minister aware of the serious heroin problem that is starting in Athlone? There is a serious drug problem in the region but this project has still not been given the go-ahead. It has been on the books, as it were, for more than ten years and still has not been commenced.

One of the most important problems facing young people is drug abuse and I compliment the Minister for ensuring that funding will be made available for the Ridge project in Cork. The project should be monitored closely because projects such as this, in areas of deprivation and where there are other social problems, could be successful in assisting communities to combat drug abuse and drug addiction.

It is commonsense that if a young person is involved in sporting activities, he or she is less likely to become involved in the anti-social behaviour one sees in Dublin. Over the next few years funding should be provided on a continuous basis to ensure these projects can proceed. I thank the Minister and the Minister of State, Deputy Flood, for their involvement in these task force initiatives.

I welcome the Minister's announcement of funding to encourage regionalisation of tourism. Can any steps be taken to encourage tour operators to provide direct flights to regional airports from large population centres in Britain and the Continent? The dramatic rise in tourism figures from 2.4 million ten years ago to almost five million this year is largely due to the low cost of flying to this country. Is there a policy to encourage tour operators in areas of high population, such as Amsterdam, to fly to regional airports in Ireland? That would have a major impact on regional tourism.

At present, it is difficult to get to some parts of Ireland. After flying to Dublin the tourist must find his way to these areas by car or train even though there are airports there. This issue should be examined in detail because direct flights to regional airports would have an immediate impact on regionalisation and dispersing tourists throughout the country.

Ireland has been awarded the accolade of golf destination of the year. It is bizarre that so-called environmental groups can generate so much controversy by holding up virtually every golf course development. Golfing will be a major element in the tourism industry in the future, particularly since, due to the Minister's efforts, Ireland is due to host the Ryder Cup. Can anything be done in the planning area to assist golf courses and to expedite development? Some of these lobby groups discourage major international groups from coming to Ireland to develop golf courses even though these are usually in areas where there is little employment. The ideal place to build a golf course is a sparsely populated area which has a nice environment. This problem must be examined.

I congratulate the Minister on his successful efforts in Cabinet to secure funding for his Department and particularly for projects in my constituency.

I welcome the Minister and the Minister of State, Deputy Flood, who I wish to commend on his very proactive approach to the issue of drug abuse. I was delighted and proud when I heard a recent radio debate on the issue of drug detoxification because it was the first time I had heard of a Minister who was prepared to go the full way to An Bord Pleanála to support a detox centre in his constituency. I commend him on taking such a courageous stance. I am quite satisfied that everything possible is being done on the ground to promote the eradication of the awful disease of drug abuse and the proposals in the Estimate go a long way towards that.

I also wish to recognise the involvement of the Minister, Deputy McDaid. He has proved to be a very active Minister in the Department of Tourism, Sport and Recreation. In his speech today he spoke about the reality of the transfer of responsibility for our swimming pools from local government to the Department, which shows a sensible, proactive and hands-on approach to tourism, which I commend.

Those of us who are interested in 1798 and who visited Wexford during the bicentenary will welcome the fact that the state-of-the-art facility there is at last being promoted and financed by the Department.

One of the biggest issues for those of us in the midlands is the lack of initiative regarding tourism promotion and our huge difficulties in the provision of accommodation. I ask the Minister to continue his efforts to divert as much resources as possible by way of grant aid to ordinary bed-and-breakfasts, farmhouses, guesthouses and so on. The areas of Laois, Offaly, Longford and Westmeath, in particular, have not been associated with tourism promotion in the past. Most of the difficulties in that regard have been caused by a lack of accommodation; at the same time, many farmers who wish to diversify could provide accommodation and support tourism development in the area, if it were not for the difficulties with grant aid.

The Minister spoke today about spreading the tourism bonus throughout the State, which should be looked at in more detail. The Leader grants and so on have gone some way toward grant aiding accommodation, but have not gone very far. I hope special areas of tourism promotion could be considered, particularly areas which have not, to date, been supported to the same level as other counties. There is a special case to be made for midland counties.

I am delighted to see the Minister and the Minister of State here today. I fully support the proposal.

I join other speakers in commending the Minister, Deputy McDaid, and the Minister of State, Deputy Flood. I welcome the transfer of the swimming pool programme from the Department of the Environment and Local Government to the Department of Tourism, Sport and Recreation. That programme seemed to be at a standstill in recent years. We were told in our county that there were no grants available for swimming pools and I am glad they are now available.

The Minister spoke about addressing the regional spread of tourism. We in the mid-west have suffered very seriously in this regard. The word has got out that Bord Fáilte is marketing Dublin only, in that it wishes tourists to fly to Dublin rather than giving them the choice of flying to Shannon. If that is true - I am not saying whether it is - I hope it will be stopped. The Minister spoke about the growth in Dublin Airport but Shannon Airport is not as busy as it used to be and we are not getting as many tourists as we did in previous years. Bord Fáilte or anyone else cannot tell tourists where they must go - all it can do is market the country to the best of its ability, which I am sure it is doing.

I am glad Bord Fáilte intends to market Ireland in Germany because we used to get many German tourists but, for some unknown reason, they stopped coming in recent years - perhaps it was because of our increased prices. It is a pity they stopped coming because they were very high spenders, particularly in comparison to American tourists.

Deputy Naughten's remarks on lottery funding were rather harsh. I hope he did not mean to be political about it, if so he has a short memory. I would love the Minister to tell us the number of projects given out by the then Minister, a member of Deputy Naughten's party, in the two or three weeks before the general election. I think a sum in the region of £16 million could not be drawn down because it was committed by the rainbow Government——

We spent the money.

No, they did not.

We promised the money.

Yes, but the money was not drawn down. The Department could probably have gotten more money from the Department of Finance this year if it were not for the large proportion of money that was not drawn down that year. The Deputy cannot have it both ways. If he wants to give out the money he should do so but it should be given to projects which will use it and draw it down.

I thank the Minister on behalf of the people of Ireland for the great work his Department is doing. The Minister of State is also to be commended. I disagreed with the Minister at one meeting because I wanted the money to be distributed to many projects. However, I think the Minister's policy is a better one because he wants to give a substantial amount of money to certain projects which will be completed within the year. I was of the opinion that it was better to satisfy different clubs but now that I have studied the Minister's reasoning I commend him on his policy.

I thank the Minister for the way in which he presented his Supplementary Estimate and dealt with the various subheads. We have all welcomed his initiative to disperse tourism into the regions. This year he allocated specific amounts of money to each region. We had discussions with various representatives of the regions recently in London and they appreciated that funding because it gave them some flexibility to ringfence specific projects which they would otherwise be unable to attend to. They felt it was good to be able to market specific aspects of individual regions - for example, the south-east has launched an equestrian programme, which will be of major benefit. The Minister's initiative in that regard has been welcomed by the regions.

Bord Fáilte had a major stand at the recent world trade fair, at which the Minister was present, and all the regions were represented under one umbrella. Bord Fáilte made a fantastic effort to have each of the regions represented by its own speciality and ideas. There was an excellent level of interest in the stand from those involved in the world tourism industry.

We are all concerned about the drug initiative. I compliment the Minister of State, Deputy Flood, on continuing his work in this area, for which he has our full support. The figures he outlined today indicate the need for such a programme. We are all extremely concerned about the ongoing scourge of drugs. Sport is one way of combating that problem but it is also important to provide facilities, as the Minister of State is trying to do.

We have an annual problem with undistributed funding for capital projects. The Minister's difficulty is that these funds have been committed. Because they have not been drawn down by the various organisations they are locked in. It would help if the Minister had the power to redispensethese funds to organisations which are ready to use them. The Minister has outlined some of the reasons, such as lack of contracts or delays in planning, for these delays. Between £17 million and £18 million has been promised to various applicants and cannot be drawn down. The sooner we come to grips with that problem, the sooner we will be able to allocate money to people throughout the regions who can benefit from it.

The Minister may wish to respond to the points which have been raised, particularly by Deputy Naughten.

Thank you, Chairman. I appreciate your fairness. Deputy Naughten is new to the House, but he must understand that if he takes pot shots at me I am permitted to take some back at him. Before Deputy Naughten's time in the House, Deputy Allen, the Minister of State with responsibility for sport, disbursed national lottery funds like snuff at a wake and with no strategic plan. This was done prior to a general election, although not with the desired result. It is relatively easy to commit funds to projects, but much more difficult for clubs and organisations to draw down those funds. We are fortunate that the spiritual homes of the Taoiseach and the Minister for Finance are Croke Park and the Curragh as opposed to Croagh Patrick and Lough Derg. I can assure the Deputy that funds are available for clubs whose projects will come on stream next year. We will have £14.5 million in sports capital funding next year which will be allocated on a more strategic basis. We will have £10 million for drugs task forces and money for young people's facilities, services for which the Department of Education and Science, under the Minster of State, Deputy Flood, is responsible. I answered a Parliamentary Question on this matter recently. The money comes under various subheads in my Department and all of it will be drawn down this year. The new National Lottery allocations and new sports strategy will possibly be announced this week.

Everyone deserves national lottery funding,but the Chairman is correct in that quite a number of clubs have been given insufficient funding for them to proceed with projects. They have been given a small incentive and must try to raise additional funding in their local communities. This can take years. Such clubs, therefore, cannot be blamed for not drawing down the funds allocated to them. The funds must be spent on the projects to which they have been committed. We propose to do things differently next year. Time limits for the drawing down of funds will be imposed on clubs and organisations to which grants have been awarded. Failure to meet these time limits will mean the loss of the funding. We are attempting to impose a strategy in regard to sports funding so that deserving communities who have worked hard will see their projects succeeding.

Last year 743 projects were on the table. A project on paper is of no use. It must be translated into reality. The only way to ensure that is to give more money to fewer projects which may not be the popular approach. This does not mean small grants will not be awarded and, of course, the current projects will be completed.

Funding for the Athlone project has been committed by successive Ministers in Fianna Fáil Governments since 1988. On one, if not two, occasions a separate Exchequer allocation was made to it. I, too, have given a commitment to continue with that project. It is currently with the Department of the Environment and Local Government and Athlone Urban District Council is continuing to monitor it in conjunction with that Department. I agree there is a great need for projects such as this in the midlands. I would fully support a project of that sort to combat heroin use.

I can assure Deputy Kelleher that funding for the three year plan will be continued on a year by year basis. This year I hope to help clubs and communities by allocating funding as early as I can. Advertisements will appear in newspapers shortly. The applications must be new, although applications which were previously refused funding will be accepted, and there will be a closing date. We hope these applications will be dealt with quickly so that the money can be spent on the projects within the year.

I would like to see tour operators flying directly into the regions. Cork Airport is doing exceptionally well and has an 8 per cent increase in visitor numbers. A visitor who wishes to escape the pressure of a city such as Frankfurt or Dusseldorf does not necessarily wish to fly into Dublin. I am delighted that Dublin is benefiting from good access, but visitors may wish to fly to a more relaxed destination in Ireland. According to Cresta Holidays, Dublin is now the third most favoured destination on their market after Paris and Amsterdam. Dublin is a cosmopolitan city, a city that does not sleep and this is good for revenue, but a spread of visitors is good for all the regions. By the year 2003 we will have 7 million visitors.

I was delighted to accept an award for the best golf destination of the year in 1998. We were in competition with Pebble Beach and locations in Morocco, South Africa and elsewhere. We hope to capitalise on that award and persuade more tour operators to bring golfers to Ireland. We can create demand for Irish holidays in the French and German markets. I expect airlines to respond to that demand. Attractions in the regions must be publicised. Golf in east Clare, for example, received huge publicity at the Irish Seniors Open this year.

Deputy Moloney mentioned the bed and breakfast sector. A problem in this sector in the west was identified this year. The region has benefited, but some sectors have benefited more than others. I have asked Bord Fáilte to examine the marketing problems in the bed and breakfast and self-catering sectors which have become apparent. Grants for extensions to bed and breakfast establishments were granted in the past and many providers found themselves in difficulty when the sector did not expand as expected. There has been an overall increase of 15 per cent in accommodation this year. This is creating great competition. It is reliably estimated that seven million people will visit the island by 2003. This must give people the incentive to upgrade their premises. There is major competition in the sector.

We are not taking the approach suggested by Deputy Collins. The advertisements will be broadly based and rural based. I am aware there are ongoing problems in that sector. We have invested in the Shannon area and a number of new elements have come into play. We are continuing to provide EU Structural Funds to regional airports to upgrade them.

While I will always consider proposals from Deputies on funding by the national lottery, I need assistance. I am trying to ensure that a greater emphasis is placed on the local representatives outlining to me what they consider to be good projects. It is nice to receive a written submission but it would be better if an elected representative provided information on an area.

In response to Deputy Ferris, a regional emphasis is part of my policy. I was delighted to see the regions were represented at the world trade market in London. I believe it was their first time to be represented there. I also understand it was the first time the Northern Ireland Tourist Board and ourselves shared the same stand. There is huge potential here.

I am delighted there is much contact between me and the industry. There has also been a great deal of contact between the industry in the North and the South. What is lacking is a body to enable public representative of all the parties in the North to elaborate on the policies they want to be implemented. If we establish such a body we will see great steps in that area.

Will you indicate the date for the establishment of the new structures to which you have referred?

I hope to have them finalised this week and to place advertisements in the newspapers before 15 December.

I am supporting the Canon Hayes sports centre.

I will now address the issues that have been raised regarding my areas of responsibility. Deputy Naughten raised a number of issues arising from his deep interest in the affairs of young people. I frequently hear him batting them in Leinster House. It is legitimate to raise the question of funding for the local drugs task forces. The Deputy and his colleague, Deputy Allen, suggested that we were sitting on this funding, but that is not the case.

The national drugs strategy established the task forces in 1997. A core aspect of their establishment was that local people would be centrally involved and would receive resources. They were then delegated to develop local plans to deal with aspects of drugs misuse and the potential for the misuse of drugs in 13 task forces across the country, 12 of them located in Dublin and one in Cork. It was for the local groups and task forces to put forward their plans. These were assessed and approved, some of them on an interim basis and others later. Arising out of that, 234 separate projects or plans were approved and 163 of these are now operating and drawing down the funds.

It was essential that at central level we would not dictate to the local groups as to how to utilise the moneys and resources which were made available to them or to push them beyond their ability to deal with the implementation of these plans. For that reason the draw-down of the funds during the course of 1998 did not reach £10 million. Any approved projects at present under way will continue to be funded in 1999 and all of those project that have been approved but have not yet commenced will also be funded in 1999 because we have set aside an additional sum of £10 million to continue that process.

Deputy Naughten also raised the issue of social exclusion, which is a core aspect of the Government's policy. A Cabinet sub-committee to tackle the issue has been established. It meets regularly on a monthly basis and is chaired by the Taoiseach. I am a member because I am responsible for the national drugs strategy. The Cabinet sub-committee has developed a number of initiatives to tackle social exclusion because social exclusion and drug misuse are interrelated. For that reason, the young people's facilities and services fund, which amounts to £30 million, has been provided by the Government to do what you, Sir, have suggested ought to be done, to use leisure, recreational and sporting facilities to draw young people, especially those at risk, away from the possibility of becoming involved in the misuse of drugs. Some £20 million of that is targeted at the local drugs task force areas to which I have referred. Local development groups were established which included a representative from the task force, the VEC and the local authority so that we would have a good representation by active local organisations - those I have referred to - in drawing up the local development plans.

These plans have been received by my Department. We had hoped to have them submitted by the end of September, but in fairness to some of the local groups some submissions were a little late through no fault of their own. These are now being assessed by a steering committee in my Department. Following a decision by the Cabinet sub-committee we will announce the go ahead for a number of the projects to tackle the issue in the manner you, Sir, have suggested. That represents an additional sum of £30 million over and above the funding of the task forces themselves.

Deputy Kelleher kindly referred to the North-West Ridge Project. Some misinformation regarding the project was circulated during the week. It was suggested that it was bound up with the local drugs task force initiative and that there was a delay there. That was not the case. The local drugs task force in Cork had the option of putting forward the project as one of its proposals but decided not to do so. For that reason it was submitted to my Department as a recommendation from the local drugs task force. However, yesterday the Minister for Finance announced special funding for the project because it fits in with what we are trying to do. I am pleased it is receiving £500,000 arising out of the Budget Statement.

Deputy Kelleher also suggested that funding ought to be provide to continue the projects that are under way, especially the drugs initiative. I assure him that is the case.

I thank Deputy Moloney for his kind remarks regarding my involvement in the drugs initiative. He raised the question of treatment facilities and my stand on that. In areas where there is significant drugs misuse, for example, heroin abuse, etc., it is important that the local communities respond by being willing in the first instance to use the resources made available to them in the provision of treatment services and facilities and in the provision of leisure and recreational facilities, to which I have referred.

It was central to the success of the establishment of treatment facilities that local communities would support their provision. To the credit of many local communities, most of them significantly disadvantaged, they have been willing to play their part in supporting the provision of treatment facilities within their communities. As the Minister of State with responsibility for the national drugs strategy, I regret that certain communities find themselves unable to welcome such facilities into their midst, even though they would be there to meet the needs of their fellow residents and citizens, especially the young people. It is an appeal I consistently make to local communities: they are helping their own.

I ask all public representatives confronted with decisions on the provision of these treatment facilities to support them and to give leadership to local communities. These facilities are well run and do not inflict any damage on the community. The reverse is the case, because when young people misusing drugs decide to receive treatment they are attempting to deal with their addiction. That is far better than to have them outside the system trying to deal with their addiction in ways that members know could be anti- social.

Your final comments, Sir, were supportive of the work of my task in the national drugs strategy. I appreciate them. All Members of the House generally support the manner in which we are currently tackling the drugs problem. People hold different views about how intensively we ought to do this, but I welcome the support of the House, especially as it transmits down to local communities, because that is where it is crucial in terms of response. We will continue to provide the funding already committed to dealing with the core issue, which is the provision of treatment services, counselling and addiction for those misusing drugs. We will also continue to provide funding through the young people's facilities and services fund to try to attract at risk young people from becoming involved in the misuse of drugs. Independent evaluation which we recently undertook will confirm that this approach is proving successful.

The Minister said the sports section of his Department could not be reallocated because the funds were committed to various projects. There are obvious savings in expenditure under subhead C1. I presume that was not committed to any specific project. It would appear that there is additional Exchequer spending of just over £3 million while the total amount of expenditure under consideration here is almost £14 million. Where is this additional money coming from? Is it from the sports section of the Department? If so, could that not have been reallocated within that section rather than going to tourism?

The provision of an extra £10 million next year in respect of the matter referred to by the Minister of State, Deputy Flood, is very welcome. Does that mean that over a two year period £20 million or £15 million will be spent? Will the commitments given in the budget by the Minister and the Minister for Finance be in addition to funding for next year or is it lost to this section? Will we have £15 million or £20 million next year?

The Minister states that the community structures have not been in place even though they were established in 1997. Why is this? Does he not agree that if we continue along the lines suggested we will bring tourists to the country to look at the drugs problem because money is being taken from the sports budget and put into the tourism budget?

On the question of funding for next year, the previous Government, in drawing up the strategy, suggested that £10 million be provided. We have provided not just £10 million this year - we have been debating that issue - but we have provided for £10 million for next year. As the end of next year approaches expenditure will have amounted to £50 million. However, at a recent meeting of the Cabinet subcommittee on social inclusion, it was decided to continue the process for a further two years, as recommended by the external evaluation which we carried out and subject to one or two other issues being clarified which are not a difficulty. The funding will, therefore, continue.

There are a number of reasons for the inability of local development groups to draw down the funds. The first is the planning process. I am sure the Deputy is familiar with that. Sometimes planning can be obtained smoothly but other times an application can end up with An Bord Pleanála. Even then there are occasions when, within the statutory period of 120 days, one does not necessarily succeed in getting the required decision because there may be extensions arising out of the need to hold oral hearings, etc. Delays can also arise in projects which involve the recruitment of specialist personnel. Sometimes it is not that easy to find a specific kind of person that one requires for a project. There could be educational or recreational requirements. That causes difficulties. One can recruit somebody who appears to be on board but it may transpire that is not the case. There are other reasons which prevent projects from proceeding through no fault of the local development groups. However, of 240 projects, 160 are operating across the 13 drugs task force areas and the others that have not commenced are assured of the funding they were allocated once they make their application.

Some of the expenditure on the sports side was taken up through the national governing bodies. The expenditure was less than anticipated. The sports council is being established on a statutory basis. To do this we had to procure an allocation of money in anticipation of people taking up their appointments and in meeting anticipated overheads. The savings were as a result of that. It is on the current expenditure side, which cannot be transferred to the capital side. The money is not lost but has been transferred.

That concludes our consideration of the Supplementary Estimate for the Department of Tourism, Sport and Recreation. I thank all of the members, the Minister of State and the Minister and his officials for assisting us in contributing to the debate.

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