Léim ar aghaidh chuig an bpríomhábhar
Gnáthamharc

Waste Management.

Dáil Éireann Debate, Thursday - 4 November 2004

Thursday, 4 November 2004

Ceisteanna (11, 12, 13)

Brendan Howlin

Ceist:

9 Mr. Howlin asked the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government if his Department has a role in investigations into cross-Border sham recycling operations following the interception of six trucks in Northern Ireland containing hundreds of tonnes of illegal waste from the Republic; the efforts his Department is making, in conjunction with the Garda Síochána, to clamp down on cross-Border illegal dumping rackets; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [27325/04]

Amharc ar fhreagra

Dinny McGinley

Ceist:

54 Mr. McGinley asked the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government the measures his Department has taken to prevent the illegal export of domestic waste across the Border with Northern Ireland; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [27568/04]

Amharc ar fhreagra

Olivia Mitchell

Ceist:

98 Ms O. Mitchell asked the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government the level of resources employed to prevent illegal dumping; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [27572/04]

Amharc ar fhreagra

Freagraí ó Béal (25 píosaí cainte)

I propose to take Questions Nos. 9, 54, and 98 together.

The reported incidents of illegal cross-Border movements of waste into Northern Ireland, which by their nature are difficult to detect and quantify, have been discussed at ministerial level within the framework of overall North-South co-operation on common issues. On foot of these discussions, a high level meeting was held on 21 May 2004, involving representatives from my Department and the Department of the Environment in Northern Ireland, as well as from local authorities in both jurisdictions, the office of environmental enforcement, the Garda Síochána, the Police Service of Northern Ireland and the respective customs services. At this meeting very useful exchanges took place, particularly in regard to the scope for securing better inter-agency co-operation on enforcement, on which there has been improvement. I am confident this engagement, which will continue, will yield more effective enforcement operations in the short and medium term.

Illegal waste activities are unacceptable and will not be tolerated. Those involved are criminals and, on my watch, I intend the law of the land will be applied to the letter as well as the spirit. The effective operation of the regulatory regime for the waste sector is a key priority. To this end, a number of significant initiatives designed to achieve more vigorous enforcement of the waste code in this jurisdiction have been introduced. These are designed to support the activities of local authorities, which are the primary enforcement authorities.

I will provide some examples. First, the Protection of the Environment Act 2003 provides new enforcement powers and increases the maximum fines for contraventions of the waste code. Conviction on indictment for an offence under the Act now carries a maximum fine of €15 million, as well as a term of imprisonment of up to ten years. These are severe penalties and I hope, where appropriate, they will be applied in full by the courts.

Second, we have completed the establishment of a new office of environmental enforcement, located within the Environmental Protection Agency. While it has a wide remit, the OEE is focused on waste related enforcement activities in its early stages and is already operational in this area. I pay tribute to its staff because they are dealing with a thuggish, criminal element, some of whom have paramilitary connections. We know of the risks young staff are taking.

Third, the importance of providing additional resources to underpin the waste enforcement effort has been acknowledged. In this regard, some €7 million from the environment fund has been allocated to local authorities to support the first year of a major five-year programme of local authority waste enforcement activities. I take a most serious view of these events. I have firsthand experience of criminal activity in County Wicklow when parts of the county were despoiled by dumpers. This new development is sinister and will be dealt with seriously.

I thank the Minister for his reply and I accept his commitment that he will pursue illegal dumping of waste. Was any licensed waste collection operator, or its trucks, involved in this activity? Is any company, holding a contract from a local authority for the collection of waste, involved in this activity, either directly through use of its trucks, or indirectly, in the waste being sourced from it?

I am aware of some of the comments made on the contents of these trucks. However, I do not have the specific details on whether those involved in this activity have waste permits. I will check on the matter and communicate the information to Deputy Gilmore. Regarding the trucks, I will check this too and communicate it to the Deputy.

Any holder of a contract from a local authority for the collection of waste who may have been involved in this activity should lose the contract. Any holder of a waste licence involved in this activity should have it withdrawn. I agree with what the Minister said about the criminal and paramilitary elements. However, two thirds of the waste collection services in the State are now in private hands. If any of these companies are involved, they should lose their contracts and licences.

I do not disagree with what Deputy Gilmore has said. If there has been knowing criminal misbehaviour, the Deputy is right. The investigations have yet to be finalised. On my watch I intend that the law in this area will be rigorously enforced.

The office of enforcement in the Environmental Protection Agency has said that it will be a year before it can adequately deal with this matter. Will more resources be given to the Garda and the Criminal Assets Bureau and more co-operation sought with the Police Service of Northern Ireland to deal with this matter? This is a multimillion euro rip-off. Some €240 is paid to move a tonne of waste from the South across the Border where it is dumped illegally for approximately €30. In many cases, it is exported to Scotland.

I acknowledge the Minister's expertise in this area. The Environmental Protection Agency was forced to give a direction to Wicklow and Kildare County Councils in respect of their lack of commitment to its directives on the operation of illegal waste dumps in both counties. Will the Minister insist that the county managers from Wicklow and Kildare County Councils meet him to discuss their non-compliance of these directives? Does the Minister agree it is a shame and a disgrace that local authorities are not complying with requests from the enforcement office of the Environmental Protection Agency regarding illegal waste dumps?

I agree. My views on what has happened in County Wicklow are on record. I have had face-to-face contacts with management in Wicklow County Council over the years.

Will the Minister demand a meeting with the county managers of Wicklow and Kildare County Councils?

When I make contact with the Environmental Protection Agency and am satisfied that it is not in any way frustrated——

On a point of information, the county managers have been given a direction that if they do not comply with the Environmental Protection Agency, they will be brought to court for non-compliance.

My view is that all local authorities should and must comply.

Will the Minister demand a meeting with the county managers of Wicklow and Kildare County Councils and insist they comply?

If that is necessary.

It is necessary.

This dialogue is getting nowhere. If the non-compliance continues I will seek to ensure it stops.

Does the Minister not believe it should be carpeted now?

The comment on the Environmental Protection Agency requiring a year to investigate the matter was made by a staff member at a particular point. I am not criticising the young man in question but it was made on camera. Interagency co-operation is at the highest possible level. If there is any room for improvement I will encourage it. However, I do not believe there is any deficiency there.

Does the Minister accept that illegal cross-Border dumping of waste undermines the efforts made by those recycling? Galway city has reduced the amount of waste going to landfill by over 50% over the last several years. People will now realise that the work they are doing, separating and segregating waste in five ways is simply being illegally disposed of by illegal, and perhaps some licensed, dumpers. What action will the Minister take to eliminate this practice that undermines the efforts to recycle, reuse and reduce waste?

Deputy McCormack is right because people do go to considerable trouble to recycle, reuse and reduce waste. I know people who must travel from Bray to Wicklow to avail of recycling facilities. If widescale breaches of any operator, particularly a licensed one, were found, it would create cynicism and have a devastating impact on the high levels of recycling we are achieving. If it is proved that a licensed operator is involved in this activity, I will take a most serious view.

Will the Minister let the courts find this out?

The Minister is agreeing with 90% of the statements from this side of the House. It is an interesting prospect. I welcome his preparedness to tackle these illegal operations. I hope the actions follow up as strongly as his words. An investigation was commenced concerning documents from the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform finding their way into an illegal dump in County Tyrone. What progress has been made in the investigation and when will it be completed?

I do not have any information on that specific item. I remember the press comment at the time. I am so agreeable because there is much common sense in this discussion. I do not believe a monopoly exists on one side of the House on this issue.

My personal attitude is that if we operate together we will be far better than if we operate individually. I assure Deputies O'Dowd, Gilmore and other spokespersons that, in so far as I can, I will operate a very open attitude, as I did when I was Minister of State with responsibility for European affairs. It paid big dividends for Ireland when we brought all the talents of this House together, and the same will apply in this context. We do not have any political differences on the issues with which we are dealing, whether it is Sellafield, illegal dumping or other activities.

The Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform will not end up in jail then.

The Minister should keep an eye out for that file from the equestrian federation.

Barr
Roinn