Other Questions
6. Deputy Clare Daly asked the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform the initiatives the Office of Public Works has undertaken to make empty State property and facilities available to local authorities to assist in dealing with the housing crisis. [23650/14]
Amharc ar fhreagra15. Deputy Mick Wallace asked the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform the progress made by his Department in identifying State-owned properties which could be used as emergency housing; the criteria by which a property is judged suitable for housing families; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [23685/14]
Amharc ar fhreagraIt is an incredible contradiction that the State, which expends hundreds of millions of euro on subsidising private and emergency accommodation, continues to be one of the largest landlords. The Office of Public Works has properties in every town and village and has one of the largest property portfolios in the State. What initiatives has the OPW taken to make State properties available to local authorities to address the current housing crisis?
I propose to take Questions Nos. 6 and 15 together.
The Office of Public Works, OPW, on behalf of the State, manages a large and diverse property portfolio which ranges from office accommodation to heritage properties, visitor centres and Garda stations, among others. There are a number of vacant properties within this portfolio. The majority of vacant properties are recently closed Garda stations, with the remainder consisting of properties such as customs posts, former Coast Guard stations and sundry other properties located nationwide.
The Office of Public Works has a clearly defined policy relating to vacant properties that are identified as surplus to its requirements. In the first instance, it engages with other public service bodies, including relevant local authorities, to establish the potential for alternative use in advance of deciding on disposal. Such alternative use includes the potential for these properties to be made available to meet social housing needs.
The Office of Public Works has been actively involved with the relevant authorities to identify potential properties within the portfolio which could be considered suitable to address the current housing issues. For example, it agreed to make a number of properties available to the Housing Agency and the office is engaged with the agency on the issue of leasing arrangements. In addition, the OPW recently made a property available to the Dublin Region Homeless Executive. It is intended that this property will be used as a residential centre to support vulnerable women affected by long-term homelessness.
Deputies will be aware that on 20 May last, my colleague, the Minister of State with responsibility for housing and planning, Deputy Jan O'Sullivan, published the implementation plan on the State's response to homelessness, which outlines the Government's approach to delivering its objective of ending involuntary long-term homelessness by the end of 2016. The plan sets out a range of measures to secure a ring-fenced supply of accommodation to house homeless households within the next three years and mobilise the necessary supports. Progress on implementing the plan will be reported quarterly by the Minister of State with responsibility for housing and planning through the Cabinet committee on social policy.
The Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government will chair a working group of key stakeholders which will identify potential suitable and available properties, with a view to putting in place the necessary arrangements to facilitate their use as housing units.
With regard to determining the criteria by which a property is adjudged to be suitable for social housing, this is primarily a matter for the relevant housing authorities. I am advised, however, that the following criteria generally apply: the suitability of the property given that many of them are purpose built Garda stations; the location of the properties and level of demand in the relevant area; and the current condition of the property and cost of refurbishment. As stated, the vacant State portfolio will form part of the option appraisal to deliver residential units being completed by the relevant housing authorities.
Given the scale of the current housing crisis, the Minister's reply failed to provide sufficient detail. I note that one property has been available for homeless accommodation. I put it to the Minister that many more properties must be provided. It is ironic that the State is paying tens of millions of euro to subsidise private hoteliers who are providing short-term accommodation to meet current needs and address homelessness while a number of State properties are lying idle. While I am aware that a number of these properties do not fall fully within the jurisdiction of the Minister, I presume the Cabinet could do more than that which the Minister outlined. Some form of interdepartmental task force is required.
The issue came up particularly regarding Defence Forces property of which there is a considerable amount, including several dwelling houses which could be remediated for a relatively small amount of money. Yet, we have people evicted from those premises to be added to the growing local authority homeless lists. There is a wide portfolio of properties, many of which would not be suitable in their current state. Will the Minister, however, consider the idea of convening a task force to see what alternative uses could be made of State properties? There are many unemployed builders who could be used to remediate these properties and make them suitable for housing purposes which would be a far more sensible approach than subsidising the private sector.
I largely agree with what the Deputy has said. There is not a huge array of available properties or properties suitable for housing in the Office of Public Works, OPW, however. I will send the Deputy a detailed letter on this because I will not be able to give her all the information now.
There are 440 properties in the OPW property portfolio deemed habitable, the majority of which are occupied by members of An Garda Síochána and are, therefore, not available for letting. There are others in the heritage portfolio such as caretaker lodges which are assigned to particular tasks. Again, they are not available.
Several properties were identified by the OPW as being available. One is in Kildonan Park, Finglas, which has been made available as a residential centre to support vulnerable women. It has a two storey residential school including classrooms, indoor swimming pool, gymnasium, canteen and fully equipped kitchen and several outbuildings.
The Minister of State with responsibility for housing is dealing with the overall co-ordination of this. I will give her full support across all Departments to identify any property that might be brought expeditiously into use.
We are all aware that there are serious problems not just with the lack of supply of social housing, but also in the supply of private housing, how the construction industry operates and how developers operate through land banking. For all practical purposes, this sector has gone unregulated. I am not saying it started with this Government but it has been unregulated for years. It makes more sense if the Government started to regulate this area properly. House prices in Dublin have gone up by 16% over the past year, with rents going up by 11%, but wages have not. There is no control of this sector.
The Minister may have noted that large blocks of private sector houses and apartments have gone for sale over the past two years by investors. Up to 500 housing units in Tallaght, built by Liam Carroll, will soon be sold for €50,000 each. If they were sold individually to members of the public, they would be paying a minimum of €160,000 for a unit. I accept the Minister cannot make social housing out of all of them. While it might not come under the Minister’s remit, does he consider it a good idea for the State to buy between 20% and 30% of these units and selling the others to individuals looking for houses rather than allowing investors, usually from foreign lands, to buy the whole block for a fraction of what they are worth?
Again, I strongly agree with the Deputy that we have a real supply issue which is manifested by increasing rents in Dublin which are pushing people, including those dependent on rent subsidy, out of the market in Dublin and surrounding areas. There is a lesser impact in our own county, Wexford, as of yet. It is an issue we have to address.
How do we address the supply issue? I have not made this public yet but I met the National Treasury Management Agency some weeks ago and asked it to engage with the NTMA family, such as the National Asset Management Agency, to see if we can provide a mechanism to fund initiatives exactly of the sort about which the Deputy spoke. I am due to have a report on that in the next several weeks and I hope to be able to report progress to the House when that is done.
That sounds positive and I am glad to hear it. No doubt the principle of Part V was a good idea, but it was not implemented. Unfortunately, the previous Government reneged on it and allowed developers to create ghettos with these units in other areas. Often they stated that it did not suit because of the type of houses that were built.
The Government should take on the issue. If it must encourage the building of houses, it should not abandon the idea of Part V. If builders are building 20 mansions on a site, I accept one does not need mansions for social housing. However, if 20% of the land is to be used for social purposes, one should put sensible units on 20% of it beside the mansions and should not let the builders build them in other areas instead. That way ghettos will be created because we sow significant social problems for the years ahead when that is allowed to happen.
The point here is that the State has to lead in this regard and subsidising the private sector is not the way forward. I would be interested in the detail that the Minister stated he would furnish in terms of the State's portfolio. I repeat that it is fine if it is the remit of the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government, but somebody has to take stock of all of the properties in State ownership and prioritise those that can be converted and retrofitted for housing purposes because it is a cheaper, more efficient and quicker way of delivering badly needed housing stock rather than wasting funding on the private sector.
There are two discrete and separate issues. One is dealing with homelessness, and we have a strategy to do that over the next three years. Then there is the normal housing situation, which is also now an acute problem that we need to address separately. They overlap but they are two separate issues.
I agree with what has been said about Part V. I have heard first-hand testimony from many of my colleagues where a developer was allowed build up-market houses in one location and social housing in a completely separate location, and separated those who would populate each of those houses. That was not an effective or socially desirably way of dealing with Part V and it is something we have to address, but it is not in my area of responsibility.
I fully accept that we need to have a joined-up Government approach to the housing issue. Where it falls to me, this is a confined question on public sector property and we will look at that. However, that will not be a solution. Retrofitting a Garda station for accommodation is a tokenistic response, although it will be important to the individual families. To really solve the problem, we need to tackle the supply issue that has been identified by Deputy Wallace.
7. Deputy Catherine Murphy asked the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform if he will provide an update on the progress toward achieving the specific sectoral targets contained in the public service reform plan; if the measures which have been implemented so far have served to address imbalances in the resource-to-population ratio in each of these sectors or if that specific issue has been exacerbated; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [23697/14]
Amharc ar fhreagraThe question relates to workforce planning and the public service reform plan. On a number of occasions, I have raised with the Minister the fact that an embargo or the number of staff who left the public service on early retirement has left gaps. An embargo can be a crude instrument. It is a matter of how we rebuild the public service where there are gaps and what mechanism is being used to do that.
This Government has had to address a challenging fiscal situation. Since its peak in 2009, gross voted expenditure has been reduced by 13.5%, from €63.1 billion in 2009 to €54.6 billion last year, with a further reduction budgeted for this year. As part of this consolidation, the public service Exchequer pay bill has been reduced by approximately 22%, from €17.5 billion in 2009 to a targeted €13.6 billion this year. In order to achieve these savings, it has been necessary to reduce staff numbers, which are down by approximately 10% from the 2008 peak.
We also worked to achieve our expenditure targets and endeavoured to do that, as I have stated repeatedly, in a balanced way, with a strategic view on current and future needs. We have reduced budgets and staff numbers. We have asked organisations and sectors to improve the utilisation of their scarce resources to become more efficient and better focused on the needs of citizens. In addition, where savings have been made, the resulting reform dividend will allow for some recruitment to front-line services, particularly in the education and health sectors.
In January this year, I published the Government's new public service reform plan for 2014 to 2016. The actions set out in the reform plan are largely cross-cutting in nature. These include, for example, greater use of shared services and innovative approaches to service delivery; increased use of technology and improved engagement with service users; more efficient and effective public procurement and property management; and enhanced leadership and performance management.
The reform programme adopts a whole-of-government approach to reforming our public services across all sectors, including health, education, justice and local government, as well as the Civil Service. For this reason, the reform plan also references at a high level some of the key priorities and objectives of the main sectors of the public service. As set out in the reform plan, the reforms at sectoral level are led by the relevant Ministers and their Departments.
Overall, the reform programme is about ensuring that services, whether centrally or locally delivered, are as efficient and effective as possible.
I have raised this issue on a number of previous occasions. On some occasions when the Minister has talked about reform, it is actually a reduction in staff numbers and budgets. In fact, it can be costly. For example, if one has under-provided for local authority staffing and planning sections in some parts of the country where the building industry is starting to ramp up again, there will be inadequate oversight. It will only cause problems later on through an inability to call in bonds. Such matters are labour intensive and do have a benefit.
The Minister said there is a whole-of-government approach and I know that workforce planning is being done in the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government. There would be a big imbalance in staff ratios, however, because Meath has 620 staff while the combined Limerick local authorities' staff totals 1,075, yet there are 20,000 fewer people there. One cannot deliver some of the services that are planned without having people to do so. Those examples come to mind but there are many other sectors. In the health sector, for example, there is no point in having a consultant if there is not a porter to wheel a patient to the operating theatre.
I will come back to the Deputy.
I agree with the Deputy. We have had this discussion with regard to regional disparity and it is a fact, but it is not possible to resolve that overnight. If, for historic reasons, there are different structural bases for local authorities and the way they approach staff development has been quite different over the decades, it will not be undone overnight.
One of the key issues is flexibility at local level and key managers need to be able to deploy staff where they are needed. During the down times, obviously we did not need to have huge planning departments, but as they increase we need to be able to redeploy people back into them. That flexibility is required at ground level.
We have all gone into workplaces - be they hospitals, health centres or local government sections - where some areas are run ragged while others are under no pressure at all. Therefore, we need to have the flexibility and management skills to ensure that staff are always deployed to the greatest pressure points.
Do local authorities or the HSE make an application for a relaxation of an embargo for certain staff cohorts or people with particular skills? If so, how is that managed? Is there a framework against which these requirements are matched? Is it done at departmental level? How is the whole-of-government approach applied to that?
Each Department has what we call an ECF or employment control framework. They can deploy or make an application to my Department for sanction for how that overall framework meets the demands as they perceive them at service delivery level. Therefore, local authorities would make representations to the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government, which would look at how the ECF is to be managed. We obviously cannot grant additional staff for every request. That is not possible because we have to live within our financial constraints, but I am certainly preaching for as much flexibility as we can. For example, people may want to suppress a very expensive post and have more than one person employed for the same resource. If that is determined as being a more efficient way of delivering services, I have no difficulty with a pure numbers policy in that regard.
I have eased off on the strictness of the numbers policy to achieve that objective with more flexibility and better judgment, management and, I hope, outcomes at delivery.
Thank you, Minister.
None of this will be optimally delivered until we emerge from the crisis and are able to start investing again in objective need. We have a much better profile of where and how services are delivered. Have I got 30 seconds?
I am sorry, no.
The clock is wrong.
Deputy Fleming has 30 seconds for Question No. 8.
Sorry, I was confusing myself.
8. Deputy Sean Fleming asked the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform the number of public service allowances currently in place; the current state of plans to review these allowances; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [23700/14]
Amharc ar fhreagraAs part of the Haddington Road agreement, it was agreed between the Government and the unions that there would be a review of allowances paid in the public services. There are many substantial allowances. Some people agree some of them are outdated while most people agree a number of them are essential and should be retained, although possibly streamlined and incorporated into core pay where necessary. Where is the Minister on this and could he update us on progress?
I thank the Deputy for the question. More than 1,100 allowances were notified to my Department under the review of public service allowances and premium pay. Departments were notified in September 2012 of details of the Government decision regarding the outcome of the review. Approval for payment of an allowance to a new beneficiary pending the outcome of the review was withdrawn from 31 January 2012 and was not restored where the review found there was no business case for its payment to new beneficiaries.
Following the review, sectoral management were instructed to engage with staff interests with a view to securing their early agreement to the elimination of those departmental allowances payable to current beneficiaries where no business case exists to pay those allowances to new beneficiaries, with a list identified for consideration among the allowances they should prioritise for early elimination. In addition, Departments have been asked to identify other allowances, including legacy allowances, for elimination. Departments are directly engaging with staff representatives on the allowances specific to their areas.
Labour Court Recommendation No. LCR20448 has implications for the decision. In particular, the court recommended that "the parties should enter into central negotiations with a view to reaching a generally applicable agreement on measures by which loss arising from the elimination of pensionable allowances can be ameliorated". My Department is working on proposals on this to put to the staff side. The Haddington Road agreement provides, and the unions have agreed, that there will be full co-operation with the allowances review, taking account of the recommendations contained in Labour Court Recommendation No. LCR20448, and the outcome of the review will, therefore, require agreement at sectoral level.
In cases where no agreement can be reached, the time-bound mechanism for dispute resolution through existing industrial relations systems, the Labour Court, conciliation and arbitration schemes or the Public Service Stability Agreement 2013-2016, the Haddington Road agreement, is available. Given that many allowances have been discontinued for new appointees to posts, the precise number of allowances discontinued and, consequently, the number in place, is dependent on rates of staff turnover across the public service, and I do not have that figure.
I thank the Minister. Perhaps when he has the figure of the allowances that have been discontinued for new entrants he might send it to us. Could he give us the list of the allowances? It might not affect the number because with the recent recruitment situation an allowance might have been discontinued but there might have been no new entrant in that area yet. I am concerned that it seems to be going around the house a little. The Labour Court wants a central agreement while the essence of the Haddington Road agreement was sectoral agreements.
That is right.
There is a conflict and a mechanism to slow it up. The Minister caused a brouhaha with his unrealistic announcement of €75 million in savings that was to be achieved by this. Once he drilled into it, he saw that some of the allowances were excellent value for money, were part of core pay in effect but were given through a variety of mechanisms. It would be good for the public service to rationalise them so there is not an impression that old, outdated allowances are being paid. It would be good to tidy this up.
I agree with the Deputy. My first budget announcement was that we could realistically target 5%, and that is where the figure of €75 million came from.
The Deputy was on the committee which examined allowances and he knows that when we drill down to see what are allowances, this is a completely different issue. I do not have time to go into detail with the Deputy but within the different classes of allowances, some could only be described as core pay, some are formally agreed with binding decisions of the Labour Court and pay agreements to be integrated as part of pay, while others are outdated or no longer of value. That is what we are working on.
The allowances issue was subsumed into the Haddington Road agreement. The €75 million becomes small beer when we speak in terms of the €1 billion agreement I managed to achieve with unions to change the system fundamentally and allow for real and meaningful Exchequer savings to be made, with flexibility to be agreed with unions to restructure the public service within the reform plan laid out.
I accept the Minister saying that this is small in an overall context but it would be useful for the public service - I speak in the interests of public servants - not to have any old allowances which cannot be justified in a business case today. If some of them have to be bought out, long-established mechanisms in the public service can be used and we should do that and get it over with. Perhaps there is a cashflow issue that must be dealt with.
I was particularly impressed by one allowance when I heard of it at the Committee of Public Accounts. It is an allowance of €5,000 per annum paid to Garda inspectors who process all the prosecutions in District Courts around the country. A senior counsel could not be engaged for a day and a half for that fee but these people would be on their feet at District Courts every week of the year, processing thousands of cases. Some allowances are very well earned and amount to outstanding value for money, so it would be good to see some of them incorporated into core pay.
The largest category of allowances form a significant element of the overall taxable and pensionable remuneration of staff, especially in the groups of which we are aware, including gardaí, firefighters, prison officers, the Defence Forces and teachers. It is neither practical nor reasonable to take away unilaterally a big chunk of somebody's income. That is the long and short of it. These are by far the biggest volume of allowances in money terms.
The second category is made up of payments which do not form a significant element of remuneration but are important to people on call or where they work unsocial hours. It also applies in the Deputy's example. We need to examine each sector separately, and there is now a review of An Garda Síochána. Maybe the particular role mentioned should be a defined office with a pay grade appropriate which is above the normal office. It is a matter for each sector to consider. As I believe the Deputy discovered in the Committee of Public Accounts debate, these are quite complex issues.
9. Deputy Seán Kyne asked the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform if he will, in the context of the establishment of the office of public procurement, outline the measures that are being taken to maximise the participation in procurement of small and medium enterprises and local businesses which, while mindful of the European obligations, contribute enormously to local economies through the business secured from procurement contracts; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [23681/14]
Amharc ar fhreagra11. Deputy Denis Naughten asked the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform the steps he is taking to assist local business in tendering for public contracts; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [23691/14]
Amharc ar fhreagraThis question relates to the setting up of the office of public procurement and the measures taken to maximise the participation in the procurement process of small and medium enterprises.
I propose to take Questions Nos. 9 and 11 together.
Public procurement is governed by EU and national rules, the aim of which is to promote an open, competitive and non-discriminatory public procurement regime which delivers best value for money. It would be a breach of the EU rules for a public body to favour or discriminate against particular candidates on grounds such as nationality, organisational size or any other matter, and there are legal remedies which may be used against any public body infringing these rules.
The Government acknowledges the significant role SMEs play in the Irish economy and is committed to ensuring SMEs are fully engaged with public sector procurement and the opportunities which public sector procurement presents to them. To encourage greater SME participation, the Office of Government Procurement has conducted a targeted programme of education for suppliers who wish to learn more about doing business with the Irish public service. This programme consists of seminars, workshops and large-scale so-called meet the buyer events throughout the country. These meet the buyer events are run in conjunction with Enterprise Ireland and InterTradeIreland. To date, the Office of Government Procurement has facilitated workshops and presented at seminars to more than 4,500 SMEs nationwide. These events afforded suppliers an opportunity to meet and discuss the issues with public service buyers and provide networking opportunities for suppliers to build consortia and synergies between suppliers to facilitate joint bids.
My Department has also recently finished reviewing and updating existing guidelines and procedures aimed at promoting SME participation in public procurement. Circular 10 of 2014, launched on 17 April, sets out new initiatives aimed at opening up opportunities for small businesses to bid for State business. These new guidelines are aimed at reducing the administrative burden and costs on businesses that want to tender for public contracts. The SME working group, established under the Government's Action Plan for Jobs, was consulted on the new guidelines. The SME working group is chaired by the Office of Government Procurement and includes representatives from the Irish Small and Medium Enterprises Association, ISME, the Irish Business Employers Confederation, IBEC, InterTradeIreland, Enterprise Ireland, the Competition Authority, the Small Firms Association, Chambers Ireland and the Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation. The new circular has been broadly welcomed by industry representative associations.
The reform of public procurement across the public service is ongoing and will continue to provide opportunities to the SME sector to win business here and to shape them to win business abroad as well. The Office of Government Procurement will continue to work with SMEs to ensure that winning Government business is done in a fair, transparent and accessible way and to ensure that Government procurement policies are business friendly.
I thank the Minister for his reply. SMEs are the lifeblood of our country. It has been said before that if every SME were to hire one person it would put a huge dent in our dole queues.
Is the Minister happy that the office is functioning to the best of its ability? There is concern that saving money on procurement may inadvertently cost jobs in the SMEs which lose out. I welcome circular 10/14 which contains many welcome initiatives, including sub-division into lots, the use of consortia and the use of e-tenders for contracts of under €25,000.
Does the office report on the savings in each Department? Are annual reports published to show the savings as the office tries to meet the target of the €500 million savings between now and 2016?
We have centralised procurements and will have a handle on what we spend when buying goods and services for the State. This will probably be the first time we have a comprehensive picture so that different State agencies do not buy goods and services from the same supplier at different rates.
Less than 5% of the overall public procurement spend is now won by foreign companies. In excess of 95% of public procurement in Ireland is won by Irish companies, 75% of which are SMEs. That was the figure for last year, up from 60% in 2012. Whatever we are doing, we are moving in the right direction.
It is equally important to open the vista and enable Irish SMEs tender for the enormous EU public tendering market, which is valued at €2.4 trillion. A small slice of that would work wonders for the Irish economy.
I thank the Minister for his response. A significant number of small local businesses are not registered on the e-tenders website and are not competing. While the bulk of the value of overall contracts is won in Ireland, a considerable amount is won by foreign companies. I welcome circular 10/14, which is a significant development. If we do not get our act together here it will be very difficult for us to tender for European contracts. If we can get 0.5% more of that, it will be worth twice as much as the public procurement contracts for the whole State.
It is vitally important to apply that circular consistently. What measures are being taken to do that? The Minister said these issues cannot be targeted locally. Kilkenny County Council has introduced a public contract for the maintenance of its water and waste waterworks and set a condition of response within two hours. That allowed local contractors to tender and it was won by local contractors. A bit of ingenuity would help ensure that there is a level playing field and that local companies get a fair crack of the whip.
I welcome the broad support for the work of the Office of Government Procurement. Not only will it save money for the State and the taxpayer, something that Deputy Naughten always espouses, but it is more efficient. It will make SMEs more efficient. It has already done so.
Between 2012 and 2013 we have increased the participation rate of SMEs overall. We have more than maintained the level of Irish companies winning public procurement contracts. This is an ongoing process. We have only started. We need to see how we can work with industry and its representatives to build those synergies to get a slice of the €2.4 trillion EU procurement contracts market. I am determined that the Office of Public Procurement will be a professional body that will help small companies to tender, either individually or collectively.
How does the office propose trying to encourage SMEs? The Minister mentioned information days but will it do further work to try to reach those who are not registered or who do not come to the information meetings?
Last November, when I raised this matter with the Minister of State at the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Deputy Brian Hayes, I suggested that the Department contact a company called tenderscout.com, which brings SMEs together and allows them to get on the e-tenders website and participate in the procurement process. Will the Minister facilitate engagement with that company? It is a high-potential start up supported by Enterprise Ireland and could help many more SMEs get into this sector.
I do not know whether Deputy Kyne is a member of the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation. It would be useful for that committee to invite Mr. Quinn, the chief procurement officer, to explain what he is doing. I think the Deputy would be excited by it. This is a very important initiative in the reform agenda to do things more efficiently and well. The Deputy asked the profound question of how we get those who are not motivated to motivate themselves. I have run meetings around the country where there are plenty of people complaining about not being able to avail of tenders. They will not avail of them. Companies have to be proactive. We will work through the industry representatives to make them as proactive as possible.
I do not know the company Deputy Naughten mentioned but if he sends me the details, I will consider it.
