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Departmental Expenditure

Dáil Éireann Debate, Thursday - 13 April 2017

Thursday, 13 April 2017

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Dara Calleary

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12. Deputy Dara Calleary asked the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform the way in which his Department calculates departmental expenditure ceilings; if he has satisfied himself that these methodologies are fit for purpose; the way in which his Department reviews departmental expenditure; the penalties that exist for Departments that breach their ceilings; if there are no penalties, his plans to bring in such penalties; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [18705/17]

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I am seeking the Minister's opinion on the robustness of the Government's expenditure ceilings. I note from recent Exchequer returns that all Government Departments are more or less within profile in terms of expenditure. Is the Minister satisfied with the robustness of the system, or does it need to be reviewed? What are the penalties for Departments that breach those ceilings?

Expenditure ceilings provide Departments with greater clarity regarding available resources. They also help underpin significant engagement on expenditure priorities throughout the year rebalancing the previous focus on one single budgetary event in October of each year.

The Estimates process and the determination of expenditure ceilings now take place as part of a whole-of-year budgetary cycle. The Summer Economic Statement sets out the broad fiscal position and the National Economic Dialogue facilitates engagement between the Government and stakeholders. The pre-Estimates departmental expenditure position is provided in the Mid-Year Expenditure Report, MYER. This sets the baseline for examination of budgetary priorities by the Government and the Oireachtas. Following detailed consideration, ministerial expenditure ceilings are published in the budget day expenditure report and are informed by a medium-term perspective on known expenditure pressures and developments. For example, the three-year ceilings for 2017-19 are informed by a number of pre-commitments as follows: demographics in the social protection, education and health sectors. IGEES staff in my Department conduct regular analysis of such trends to better inform the expenditure ceilings in the expenditure report. This analysis is available on the IGEES website. Just over €0.4 billion has been provided for these purposes in 2018; the Lansdowne Road agreement - some €0.32 billion is included for the LRA in 2018; scheduled increases in the public capital plan - €0.26 billion is included for capital in 2018; and the ceilings also include an amount of unallocated resources in 2018 and 2019, based on the fiscal projections at budget time last year. These can be utilised to meet the carryover impact of budget 2017 measures or for new expenditure measures. The flexibility provided within the ceilings allows Government to direct available additional resources towards key services at a time of increased demand and to new priorities.

The management of the annual Exchequer funding provision allocated to Departments is governed by the rules detailed in Public Financial Procedures.

As evidenced by the moderate, prudent and sustainable increases in public expenditure over recent years, the introduction of expenditure ceilings, as part of a series of reforms introduced in the Medium-Term Expenditure Framework, MTEF, has been a major innovation in strengthening expenditure control playing a major role in restoring the stability of the public finances.

The pre-Estimates departmental expenditure position is provided in the mid-year expenditure report. It sets out the baseline for the examination of budgetary priorities by the Government and the Oireachtas. Following detailed consideration, these ceilings are published in the budget day expenditure report and then informed by a medium-term perspective on known pressures and developments. For example, the three-year ceilings from 2017 to 2019 are informed by a number of pre-commitments. One such commitment relates to demographics in social protection, education and health. Staff in my Department conduct a regular analysis of these trends to better inform expenditure ceilings. This is all available on our departmental website. For example, in 2018, €400 million has been provided for these purposes. Some €320 million is provided for the Landsdowne Road agreement in 2018. Regarding scheduled increases in the public capital plan, €260 million is included for capital ependiture in 2018.

The ceilings also provide an amount of unallocated resources in 2018 and 2019, based on the fiscal projections at budget time last year. I am satisfied as to their robustness. The fact that overall gross expenditure in the first three months of the year was slightly behind profile, even though it was up significantly, by 5% or 5.5%, versus that in the previous year is evidence of this robustness.

The issue of penalties does not arise because all Departments have to deliver their expenditure ceilings or below them. My Department and I track this on a monthly basis.

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These ceilings can be utilised to meet the carryover impact of budget 2017 measures or new expenditure measures. The flexibility provided within the ceilings allows the Government to direct available additional resources towards key services at a time of increased demand and towards new priorities.

The management of the annual Exchequer funding provision allocated to Departments is governed by the rules detailed in public financial procedures. As evidenced by the moderate, prudent and sustainable increases in public expenditure in recent years, the introduction of expenditure ceilings as part of a series of reforms introduced in the medium-term expenditure framework has been a major innovation in strengthening expenditure control playing a major role in restoring the stability of the public finances.

The Irish Fiscal Advisory Council is quite critical of expenditure ceilings. It states they have not worked effectively owing to continual upward revisions in spending. It quoted every expenditure report since 2012. To give an example, the Minister did some public service pay deals on the hoof, including the Garda pay deal and bringing forward increases under the Landsdowne Road agreement. At the Committee on Budgetary Oversight last week we questioned his Secretary General about where the money for the increases had been found. He said that had yet to be identified but that the money would be found. However, he could not give us any more detail. Does that way of doing business not breach the spirit of expenditure ceilings? If the Minister in charge is making policy and spending money in that manner, how does that reflect on other Ministers who are supposed to follow his leadership and guidance?

I have not yet heard any Deputy come into the House and criticise me for increasing expenditure ceilings to put more resources into the health service last year or make funding available to deal with flooding and the refurbishment of primary school buildings. If anything, every day I face criticism for not increasing them enough. There are continual demands for more expenditure in many areas in which I know expenditure is needed, but as of yet I have not heard a single Deputy compliment me or praise the fact that we have managed to stay inside the expenditure ceilings, or criticise us when we change them at any point.

As to where we are this year, the Deputy is correct. We made an adjustment in respect of the timing of a Landsdowne Road agreement payment and bringing it forward. The cost for the year, as is known, is €125 million. At the end of the first quarter, the net underspend as against profile was €150 million. Across the year, I will deal with how the adjustment is to be funded.

We always welcome extra expenditure as long as it is sustainable. If the expenditure ceilings were right in the first place, the Minister would not need to change them. Again, I challenge him, as the Minister in charge of ensuring discipline on expenditure, to state whether that is a good way of doing business. How does it reflect on other Ministers? We can have this debate again. The health budget, in particular, has always proved challenging. It was within profile in the first quarter of the year. The Minister will not be in a position this year to bring forward Supplementary Estimates. Is he confident that the health budget is robust enough to face any challenge that may be ahead? I am looking strictly at waiting lists which are growing longer and longer. The waiting lists published in the past few days were the worst that had ever been seen.

Yes, I am confident that the expenditure ceilings for the health budget this year are robust. They need, however, to be tracked every single month, as they are. I engage in this matter with the Minister for Health, Deputy Simon Harris, who is as committed as I am. In respect of maintaining discipline on overall Government expenditure, it is evidenced by the fact that expenditure in the first three months of the year was, as I said, below profile. Last year, after we had made a needed revision of health budget figures, expenditure came in below the Estimate for 2016 which, in turn, allowed us to make some decisions on, for example, payment of the Christmas bonus. The discipline and commitment are evident. The commitment in respect of maintaining discipline and making sure we meet our commitments will be particularly important in the light of the difficult decisions we will have to make on budget 2018.

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