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Ukraine War

Dáil Éireann Debate, Tuesday - 28 June 2022

Tuesday, 28 June 2022

Ceisteanna (74)

Catherine Connolly

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74. Deputy Catherine Connolly asked the Minister for Defence further to Parliamentary Question No. 140 of 1 June 2022, if he will report on the meeting of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group on 15 June 2022; the person who represented Ireland at the meeting; if minutes were taken at the meeting; if so, if they will be published; the reason no official public record was published in respect of the group's meeting of 23 May 2022; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [34097/22]

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My question is very specific. Will the Minister give a report on the meeting of 15 June of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group? Who represented Ireland at the meeting, were minutes taken and, if so, will they be published? I ask that he also comment on the record of the previous two meetings, the second of which, I understand, Ireland attended.

Following a conference at Ramstein Air Base in Germany on 26 April, organised by the United States to discuss the Russian invasion of Ukraine, particularly Ukraine's defence capabilities, as well as to pledge and co-ordinate further support to Ukraine, Ireland was invited to join the newly-formed Ukraine Defense Contact Group. Meetings of the group took place on 23 May and 15 June. On both occasions, Ireland was represented at senior official level by the Department of Defence and at senior military level by the Defence Forces.

The group provides a forum to discuss the response of the international community to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Ireland has already provided military equipment in the form of body armour and ready-to-eat meals to the Ukrainian armed forces and has committed to contribute a further €44 million through the European Peace Facility. More than 45 countries, including almost all NATO and EU member states, as well as a number of African and Asian countries, participated in the most recent meeting. There is no published official record of these meetings.

It is considered useful for Ireland to avail of all appropriate opportunities for high-level and diplomatic engagement on issues relating to Ukraine, particularly as regards the long-term perspectives for the conflict and the potential scenarios ahead, including any eventual pathway to a negotiated solution, as well as the wider transformation of the European security landscape. At this point, no further meetings of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group have been scheduled.

I am not sure why there is no official record of these meetings. Part of my question concerns who represented Ireland and at what level from within the Department of Defence and the Army. Why is there no record of the meetings?

The Minister has agreed that Ireland is a neutral country. He has described it as "non-aligned" and said we are not neutral in regard to war. Like most Deputies, I certainly am not neutral in regard to any suffering but we are a neutral country and we should be using our voice for peace. Instead, we are participating in meetings led by NATO and the US regarding the military capabilities of Ukraine. I really would love the Minister to tell us how he is using his voice to stop this appalling illegal war. I fully agree with him that the attack on the shopping centre yesterday was absolutely despicable. However, we seem to be joining NATO in a piecemeal fashion. I put it like that because we are attending meetings that are unrecorded and in respect of which there are no data. We are not part of NATO.

There were many countries in attendance who are not in NATO. We are not neutral in this war. I have used my voice around the Security Council table and within the EU and the Council of Europe to look at ways in which we can promote peace and bring an end to this madness. I have been to Turkey and have spoken to the Turkish foreign minister about that country's efforts, co-ordinating with the UN and with Moscow, in terms of trying to get ships out of ports near Odesa that are bringing grain from Ukraine. There are more than 20 million tonnes of grain trapped because of what is, in effect, a Russian military embargo in the Black Sea, which is preventing ships from getting in and out of Ukraine.

We are involved in all these discussions. Ireland's credibility lies in humanitarian interventions and, when we can do so, in peace interventions. We are not contributing lethal weapons to the Ukrainian military but we certainly are supporting that country in every other way we can. This is about trying to protect people from brutality and from the global military superpower that is attacking them with no regard for international law, conventions or standards. It is deliberately targeting civilians, thus far driving 6 million Ukrainians into the European Union. I met the Polish ambassador today. A total of 4 million Ukrainians have crossed the border into Poland alone.

I hear what the Deputy is saying. Of course we need to be an advocate for peace and diplomacy to work.

However, all the advice we are getting at the moment suggests there is no appetite in the Kremlin at this time for a peaceful outcome in the short term in the form of a ceasefire.

I do not accept that. I accept the Minister's bona fides in wanting peace but I do not hear our voice as loud as it should be as a neutral, non-aligned country that holds respect in the world. What is happening in Ukraine is deplorable, unacceptable and illegal but joining a meeting led by NATO is not a way to bring peace. The Secretary General of that body, Jens Stoltenberg, has told us the West must prepare to continue supporting Ukraine in a war lasting for years. That is his view of what lies ahead. I do not accept that and I do not think the world can accept it. It is way too dangerous to think this war could be let go on and on. It is extremely worrying when Ursula von der Leyen says things like Ukrainians are ready to die for the European perspective. That type of language is not peaceful language. While deploring what Russia has done, we are different from any other country. Ireland is a small country and one of the very few neutral states left in the world that can use its voice for peace.

I will not go over time as I know how difficult it is to be in the Chair.

I wish we could use our voice to bring about a ceasefire and peace. However, anybody who looks at Russia's actions will see it has sent a signal to western leaders meeting this week by way of the brutality of what it did yesterday. This is not a country that is seeking peace. It is a country that is seeking to dominate its neighbour and bring Ukraine back into the Russian sphere of influence. That is what is happening. I wish it were not but Russia is deliberately undermining the very infrastructure of peace and stability on our Continent right now.

I assure the Deputy that Ireland will be the first in line in the context of trying to find diplomatic solutions that can bring about a ceasefire. We will also, however, be conscious of what Ukraine wants and is asking for. It knows Russia better than anybody. If the Deputy were to travel, as I have done, to the Baltic states and speak to those in Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania, and they understand Russia only too well in respect of the Russian mindset, she would get her answer. Compromise is seen as weakness. That is what they would say. Therefore, we need to support Ukraine to try to protect itself while we try to find a way to talk some sense into the leadership in Moscow. I do not believe that anybody in the West or in NATO wants this war to continue. I do not believe that Ukraine wants it to either, but I do not think that country has a choice in the context of the aggression demonstrated by Russia.

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