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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 16 May 2024

Vol. 1054 No. 3

Saincheisteanna Tráthúla - Topical Issue Debate

Guardians Ad Litem

I thank the Minister of State for taking this matter. A well-intentioned local solicitor opted to raise concerns with me regarding the appointment or assignment of guardians ad litem. Guardians ad litem are typically, but not necessarily, legal people, such as barristers or solicitors, and are appointed by judges to represent the interests of children in care. Their key functions are to ascertain the views of children who are the subject of care proceedings and to advise the court of these views as well as giving their considered views on what is in the best interests of the child.

Many in the House will remember the flurry of interest and concern about the appointment of what are colloquially known as GALs in 2017. It featured at the Committee of Public Accounts and likely precipitated the Child Care (Amendment) Act 2022, which provided for reform of the guardians ad litem system. I have sought details of the cost of assignment of GALs via a parliamentary question but, to date, have only been furnished with the cost for barristers alone and not solicitors or any other individuals. In 2022, 30 barristers were assigned guardian ad litem appointments at a cost of €636,000 or an average cost of €20,000. Last year, 40 barristers were assigned at a total cost of €946,000 or an average cost of €23,600. That is a significant increase year on year. I have not been furnished with the requested cost for solicitors.

Of course, we can put no price on the well-being and security of any child, but that well-being and security should not come doused in profiteering. By way of example, it would be helpful to revert to my local solicitor, who has voiced understandable concerns. This solicitor was assigned as a GAL by a District Court judge in a case where a 12-year-old child was being taken into care because of experiencing neglect and possible abuse in the home. The practice of appointing GALs is generally positive but there are concerns that the 2022 legislation has not delivered on the promised transparency on cost. This child already had a team of social workers attending to the matter, ensuring his or her welfare and also providing support, education and development for the mother. It is questionable whether there was a need for the appointment of a separate GAL in this case. Nonetheless, a solicitor was assigned in mid-2022 and provided representation for approximately 16 months and until such time as that child was discharged from his care, with the establishment of a full-time care order earlier this year. In total, this solicitor attended the District Court on nine occasions and ultimately submitted a bill to the HSE for €6,000 plus VAT, or an average bill of €666 for each of those nine brief court appearances.

On the day Tusla made an application for a full care order, a barrister also attended and issued a bill for €1,600 plus VAT for that one court appearance. Without question, there are circumstances where a guardian ad litem is needed and is beneficial for the child and family. However, the practice has to be regulated and the cost of assignments such as the one I have outlined needs to be examined. The example given is just one of many available nationwide. It is worrying that Tusla was unable to give a county-by-county breakdown of the cost of GALs on foot of my parliamentary question. Is the Minister of State satisfied that the 2022 legislation is adequately and effectively regulating the assignment and cost of guardians ad litem?

I thank Deputy Flaherty for raising this important issue and for offering me the opportunity to respond on behalf of the Minister, Deputy O'Gorman. I hope the statement I have will answer some of the questions he has raised. The unregulated nature of the provision of guardian ad litem services has been a matter of concern for some time. Currently, guardians ad litem, GALs, are appointed by the court for children who are subject of childcare proceedings under the Child Care Act 1991. GALs have an important role in that they are required to ascertain the views of the child and communicate these to the court. They are also required to make recommendations to the court as to what is in the best interests of the child.

This is an important role which gives a voice to vulnerable children during care proceedings. However, the current system of GAL appointments and the related appointment of solicitors and barristers to represent guardians ad litem is unregulated and ad hoc. The existing legislative provisions do not set out the criteria for appointing guardians ad litem or legal representation to a guardian ad litem. Tusla is obliged to pay GALs and their legal fees but has little oversight of how these roles are fulfilled. All GALs operating in the courts are self-employed individuals with many supported through network arrangements in relevant organisations. In the current system, many children do not benefit from GAL support during their court proceedings.

The main purpose of the Child Care (Amendment) Act 2022, which provides for the reform of the guardian ad litem system, is to enable the establishment of an executive office and, with that, a national GAL service within the Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth. Reform of the current model of GAL provision, which will be driven by the commencement of this legislation, is intended to ensure universal access to a GAL for all children so that their voices can be heard in childcare proceedings and to provide a high-quality service that is sustainable into the future. It is planned to move towards a largely salaried staff, supplemented by a panel as required.

Under the 2022 Act, GALs are not party to proceedings and thus the provision of legal representation will be a decision for the new national service. The new service will have its own in-house legal services and, as such, a guardian ad litem will have access to legal advice and representation when needed. Where GALs are subject to special care cases, they will have an automatic entitlement to legal advice and representation. Where GALs are appointed in proceedings before the District Court, they will have an automatic entitlement to legal advice whereas legal representation will be discretionary, subject to the child’s best interests. The in-house legal team will be salaried staff of the service, supplemented by a panel of solicitors and barristers. This will provide a clear fee structure for legal representation.

The Department is continuing to work towards the establishment of the guardian ad litem national service to enable the full commencement of the Child Care (Amendment) Act 2022. To assist these preparations, a consultant, Anthony Douglas CBE, was contracted by the Department in September of last year. The outputs of this consultancy will provide the operating model, practice manuals and workforce strategy for the new service. The development of these documents has involved significant engagement with relevant stakeholders to encourage their continued input in the shaping of the new service.

The response from the Minister, Deputy O'Gorman, is somewhat alarming. His written response reads:

The existing legislative provisions do not set out the criteria for appointing GALs or legal representation to a GAL. Tusla is obliged to pay GALs and their legal fees but have little oversight of how these roles are fulfilled. Currently all GALs operating in the courts are self-employed individuals with many supported through a network arrangements in relevant organisations. In the current system many children do not benefit from GAL support during their court proceedings.

When the Child Care (Amendment) Act 2022 was passed, we understood that many of the issues I have spoken about were to be addressed. It is clearly evident and somewhat disturbing that this has not been the case. Part of that legislation provided for a transitionary period in the first year of operation of the new executive office to provide for a seamless transition from the current system to a new model of provision. Despite this, the Minister tells us today that the Department is continuing to work towards the establishment of the guardian ad litem national service to enable the full commencement of the 2022 Act.

The response today is deeply troubling. It does not give me any reassurance. There is an onus on us to refer this to the Committee of Public Accounts and the Comptroller and Auditor General. Based on Tusla's inadequate responses to my parliamentary questions and the Minister's reply today, it is clear that we have little oversight, if any, of the operation of this scheme. We certainly have no indication of the true scale of the costs.

The Deputy has raised a really important issue. The Department is continuing to work towards the establishment of the guardian ad litem national service to enable the full commencement of the Act. As I have said, a consultant, Anthony Douglas CBE, was contracted to support preparations for the establishment of the GAL national service. The outputs from this consultancy include the development of the operating model, practice manuals and workforce plans for the service, including a transition plan to facilitate the building of the new service. Building on the extensive previous consultation that informed the development of the legislation, Mr. Douglas has met with a variety of relevant stakeholders such as GALs, senior management in Tusla and members of the Judiciary to encourage their continued input into the shaping of the service.

Under the November 2022 family justice strategy, the Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth committed to establishing a working group to decide on the most suitable future institutional location for the GAL service and to prepare for the opening of the guardian ad litem office. This group has been convened and will continue to meet to progress this work.

The Department has received approval from the Department of Public Expenditure, NDP Delivery and Reform for the director post in the service. It is anticipated that the role will be advertised in the coming weeks. There will be further engagement in respect of additional staff over 2024.

I reiterate that the unregulated nature of the provision of guardian ad litem services remains a concern for the Department but I am pleased to confirm that significant process has been made in addressing the issue, as I have outlined. I have no doubt but that the Deputy will keep a close eye on this to make sure it progresses as quickly as possible.

Urban Development

Last week, the Taoiseach announced the formation of a task force to make Dublin a more attractive and safer city. Of course, I strongly welcome the formation of this task force. It is long overdue. Much of Dublin city centre feels menacing when walking around it. I have consistently raised the concerns of the communities who actually live in the inner city. The inner city is their home and their front garden. It is where they are raising families. These communities feel utterly abandoned by Government.

Last week, two young girls were attacked in the middle of the day. The attack has traumatised the entire community and yet the individual involved was released on bail. What message does that send to the family of these two girls? This family is terrified and traumatised. I spoke with the mother of the two girls and the fear this family has, knowing that this man is back out wandering the streets while waiting on a court date, is traumatising for them. The children are afraid to leave their mother. They are afraid to go to school. Despite being the victim in this, the mother has been left with absolutely no supports. She has not been offered counselling support, therapy or anything else. She has been left on her own with her two kids in fear of seeing this particular individual again.

This is the story of countless families and individuals. Gardaí are doing what they can to catch offenders, only to watch them being released on bail by the courts. It is a disgrace that those arrested for violent crimes in Dublin are so frequently released on bail. The Minister of State speaks of making Dublin safe but after decades of Fine Gael at the helm, families have never felt more unsafe in this city.

Over a year ago, an appalling situation developed on Sandwith Street. A tented village took over the street, surrounding Boyne Street and St. Andrew's Court, from there to Mount Street and now onto the Grand Canal and Ringsend. The pass-the-parcel approach of the Government on immigration cannot continue. The issue is being passed from one neglected community to the next because of the Taoiseach and Government's ad hoc approach to immigration. Those communities and local businesses are left picking up the pieces from the Government's failed policies. Will the Minister of State outline which stakeholders will be part of the task force? Will it include representatives from inner-city communities?

I thank the Deputy for raising this issue, an important one to many Deputies living in Dublin and to the general population. Dublin city centre has always been a vibrant destination for the locals, visitors and tourists who come here to enjoy all the wonderful amenities it has to offer. Recently, however, the social and cultural character of the city centre has changed, with increased concerns for public safety and a diminished overall experience on our streets.

In response to this, earlier this month on 7 May, the Government agreed to appoint a task force to take a holistic view of the measures required to rejuvenate Dublin city centre, both north and south. The goal is to make the whole of Dublin city centre a more thriving, attractive and safe cityscape, and a desirable location in which to live, work and do business and to visit.

David McRedmond, CEO of An Post, has agreed to serve as the independent chair of the task force and will bring his wealth of insights and experience to the role. He will be assisted in that work by a membership including public service representation via Dublin City Council, An Garda Síochána and the National Transport Authority, as well as representatives of city centre businesses, trade unions, community service providers, and cultural and arts providers.

Evidence from international perspectives suggests cities need to take an integrated approach that includes a wide range of actions to create socially, economically and environmentally sustainable city centres that can thrive and are good places to live. We want our city to be a safe place with a low crime rate. This will make it a better place for the community who live there and will encourage people to visit, socialise and consume goods and services in the area.

Public realm design impacts how the city feels. Good public realm ensures our streets are designed to be enjoyed. This can include trees and planting, street art and sculpture, places to sit and congregate and formal and informal play spaces to be enjoyed by people young and old.

International experience also considers aspects such as pedestrian and cycle access; special events; maximising the impact of green and play spaces; encouraging development, retrofit or restoration of buildings; and ensuring the right mix of public services for vulnerable groups who come into the city centre. These initiatives have the potential to create diversity of people in city centres, increasing footfall generally and ensuring there is footfall over the course of the day and evening.

Over the next 12 weeks, the task force will interrogate and harness existing efforts and initiatives to inform its work. Taking an evidence-based approach to that work, the task force will deliver a cohesive and focused list of recommendations, which will complement work already under way within Dublin city co-ordination offices and existing initiatives such as Dublin’s north east inner city initiative and the Dublin north inner city local community safety partnership. As well as drawing on existing work and community engagement processes, the chair of the task force will consider how best to engage with the community in Dublin city as part of the task force’s programme of work

It is agreed that these initiatives are highly relevant to the wider city centre area but there is a need to consider what additional co-ordinated activities could galvanise actions for a vibrant, attractive and safe city centre for everyone who visits, lives and works there. The task force will consider what additional co-ordinated activities could galvanise actions to return Dublin’s city centre to the vibrant destination we know it to be.

Listening to that, I cannot help feeling the Departments of Justice and of the Taoiseach are deluded as to what is happening for families living in the inner city. In recent years, the communities of Pearse Street and City Quay have been terrorised by gangs who travel from all over Dublin to have recreational gang fights on the bridge at City Quay.

The local communities, gardaí and Dublin County Council are doing their best and the residents groups in City Quay work hard to bring law and order back to the streets but communities and front-line gardaí are fighting an uphill battle. They are utterly under-resourced and failed by the Minister for Justice.

In recent months, we have seen a spike in crime in the City Quay area, particularly break-ins. The community feels abandoned. The elderly and those living alone, in particular, are terrified. What are residents supposed to do if someone breaks into their home and the Garda does not have the resources to respond? Clearly, the Garda does not have the resources to respond to the huge levels of violent crime in the inner city.

I am concerned that if the Government does not get its act together and put more gardaí on the beat, it will not be too long before we see residents taking the law into their own hands. That is hugely worrying. The Government must ensure it does not come to that, must give communities the gardaí they need to feel safe and must ensure the city is safe for residents whose front garden is the city centre. We have to have more protection. The Minister for Justice seems deluded as to what is happening in the area.

I thank the Deputy for his input to the debate and the views he has raised. In fairness to the Taoiseach, he was only in his second or third week in the role when he established a task force to take a view of the measures required to rejuvenate Dublin city centre, both north and south.

We can all welcome the focus brought by Government on measures which will hopefully make all the difference. The goal is to make the whole of Dublin city centre a more thriving, attractive, and safe cityscape - the Deputy spoke of the gardaí and the great work they do - and a desirable location to live, work, do business and visit.

We can also agree on the value David McRedmond will bring to the role as independent chair of the task force. Over the next 12 weeks, Mr. McRedmond will lend his wealth of insight and experience as the task force carries out its work. However, that work is only the beginning. At the end of July, the task force will submit for the Government's consideration a cohesive and focused list of recommendations it feels could galvanise actions to make Dublin city centre a better place to live in, work in and visit. The outcome of these actions will deliver on a shared vision of central Dublin's public space, both north and south. We want to make Dublin city centre a better place for locals, as well as visitors and tourists who come to enjoy all the wonderful amenities it has to offer.

We all wish the task force the best of luck. Its work is only beginning and we will all await the output at the end of July.

Bus Services

I am really disappointed. This Topical Issue was first scheduled for 23 April. The Minister was not available and I was asked whether I would postpone it until he was available, which was today. Unfortunately, he is not here. That is very disappointing.

I want to discuss issues relating to BusConnects for Wicklow. I have a number of concerns. The primary one arises from reports that Go-Ahead is contracted to manage BusConnects for Wicklow. When the public found out that was the case, there was concern because the reputation of Go-Ahead in Wicklow is very poor. Constituents are continually on to me about poor service, no-shows and treatment of passengers.

There are many concerns about it and questions must be asked as to how a service that is proving to be such a poor service has actually managed to be awarded another contract.

There are a few specific points. I have spoken to people in Enniskerry. There is one Go-Ahead service that runs an hour from Enniskerry but oftentimes the buses just do not show up at all. There are breakdowns and the buses are consistently late coming from Bray. Last week the 1.30 p.m and the 2.30 p.m. buses did not arrive. People had a three-hour wait for a bus to bring them 20 minutes away. It is completely unacceptable. People are missing medical appointments. Elderly people are being left at bus stops for hours waiting for these services. I was told that this bus service had previously been run by Dublin Bus and people were very happy with it. It was a very good service. Despite the fact there were fewer buses the reliability was there. People are very disappointed that Go-Ahead has received this contract. People are requesting that the No. 185 service be returned to Dublin Bus because of the better service that was provided.

I have also spoken to a lady from Bray who has epilepsy. She was on a bus, she took a seizure and she was violently ill. She was kicked off the bus. She was made to clean up before she was put off the bus. When she wrote to Go-Ahead to complain there was no apology from them. They just acknowledged what had happened but offered no apology. These are the kinds of service and experiences that people are having.

I am repeatedly told that parents worry about their children who are using the service to get to school. The bus does not show up and they cannot get to school. Parents are leaving their young adults on the road at night waiting for buses to show. There is a multitude of examples to show that Go-Ahead really needs to up their game. I believe that people's concerns are valid when it comes to this new service being provided to them.

I have a number of concerns around BusConnects, which was first mooted in 2018. This is when the public consultations happened. This area in north Wicklow has now grown considerably and we have thousands more people and much greater demand. I am aware the NTA conducted a revised proposal but I still do not believe that the planned service will actually meet the needs of the community. I would ask that they keep it under close review to ensure that it does. In addition, many of the services are now going through the interchange in Bray. Unfortunately, Main Street in Bray is absolutely grid-locked all the time. This route is a bad idea. Buses are just going to get caught on it. The Main Street is not ready to be the focal point of a bus route at this point in time. Would they consider having an interchange at a different point outside Main Street that would just allow buses to move more frequently? I am interested to hear where we are with the update and when these services will come into play.

I thank Deputy Whitmore for raising this important issue. The Minister of State, Deputy Chambers, has been delayed. I was on standby to take this and I was under the impression that the Minister of State would be here. I have taken note of the issues raised by the Deputy and I hope the script will be able to provide some of the answers.

From the outset I want to clarify that the Minister of State's Department has responsibility for policy and overall funding in relation to public transport. Neither that Department nor its officials are involved in the day-to-day operation of public transport services.

The statutory responsibility for securing the provision of public passenger transport services nationally rests with the National Transport Authority, NTA. The NTA works with the public transport operators who deliver the services and who have responsibility for day-to-day operational matters. That said, I would like to reassure the Deputy that the Government is strongly committed to providing all citizens with reliable, realistic and sustainable mobility options. Public transport plays a key role in the delivery of this goal. To support this objective the Department secured €613 million in funding in budget 2024 for the public service obligation, PSO, and TFI Local Link services. This includes funding for the continuation until the end of 2024 of the 20% fare reduction on PSO services, the young adult card on both PSO and commercial bus services, and the 90-minute fare. Funding has also been secured to support new and enhanced bus and rail services this year. The Deputy will be aware that the Government is committed to improving public transport in bus and rail and is backing up that commitment with significant investment across the network. This includes the continual roll-out of the Bus Connects programme.

On the Deputy's specific question on performance issues with the No. 84 bus route I understand there have been issues with some bus services in north Wicklow in recent months, in particular the No. 84 and No. 84a services, and that these issues have had a negative impact on the travelling public, including students in Kilcoole to whom the Deputy referred. I want to reassure the Deputy that the Minister of State's Department and the NTA understand that service reliability for routes Nos. 84 and 84a needs to be addressed as a matter of priority. I understand that Dublin Bus is working to secure additional bus drivers at the Donnybrook depot over the coming weeks to help alleviate the performance issues, which will significantly improve service reliability on the route.

Beyond that, the planned continued roll-out of BusConnects Dublin will involve the creation of new bus routes and improved bus frequencies to help transform the public transport network to meet anticipated growth and further demand in the region. I must say that I was really disappointed when the Deputy spoke about a person who had a seizure being asked to leave a bus and to clean up before she left. It is actually unbelievable that this would be the case. I could not believe it; it is appalling.

The Deputy will be aware that the most recent phase at the BusConnects network redesign in Dublin, phase 5b, commenced on 26 November and involved the introduction of new southern orbital radial and local routes. This represented an increase in service level of approximately 80% for the area, which makes it one of the most significant changes under the network redesign to date. It is currently anticipated that the next phase of the network redesign, phase 6a, which includes E-spine and associated services, will commence later this year and that the planned O route will also commence service by year end. A more precise launch date will be known closer to the time when the NTA has completed detailed checks and operational readiness with the operators.

I do understand that the Minister of State, Deputy Butler, has been handed this document but unfortunately the Department is unable to predict the specifics of my questions, so a lot of what I have asked has not been answered. Perhaps the Minister of State will make sure the Department provides answers. That would be welcome. It is disappointing as well that there is no specific date for it. We were given a specific date of the second quarter this year and that has been pushed on. It seems there are delays with it.

I want to use the remainder of my time to talk about west Wicklow, which is not actually included under this phase of the BusConnects route. There are plans to include it. In 2017 BusConnects proposed to replace the No. 65 bus with the L-44 and the P-44 buses. The No. 65 route operates every two hours with 16 services a day. It is an increase on the 15 services a day that were operating 20 years ago. In 20 years they have had one additional service. The town of Blessington has tripled in population and there are more housing developments going in so there is a clear need for a better No. 65 service. Unfortunately, because it was earmarked to be part of the BusConnects plan the NTA refused to upgrade it until the L-44 and the P-44 services are in place. While this was first indicated in 2017 it would appear now that it will be 2025 - potentially the forth quarter of 2025 - before that happens. That just does not make sense to me. A route has not been upgraded on the basis that this new plan is coming out but the new plan keeps getting pushed out. In the meantime people are disadvantaged because the No. 65 route is not being upgraded. I ask that the NTA would upgrade this route and provide additional services. Then when they introduce the BusConnects plan it will be brilliant because they can just switch it over. It is not fair, however, to ask the people of Blessington to put up with a poor service because the NTA is having difficulties rolling out a major project like BusConnects.

In fairness to the Deputy - and I believe the Ceann Comhairle will agree - as she had already suspended this particular question, and as I am not in a position to answer fully the Deputy's response, I will ask that one of the officials meet with the Deputy and she can discuss her issues in detail. I will try to organise this for next week. The Deputy has already deferred this Topical Issue matter previously. I cannot respond to those individual questions as they are not here in the file. The NTA is working closely with Dublin Bus to take the steps that can be taken to improve service delivery on the No. 84 route. The Deputy also referred to issues on the west Wicklow services. This might be the best way forward if the Deputy is agreeable.

Okay. I thank the Minister of State.

I thank the Minister of State for being here to deal with these matters and I thank the Deputies who tabled Topical Issues matters for today.

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