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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 11 Feb 1999

Vol. 500 No. 3

Health (Eastern Regional Health Authority) Bill, 1998: Second Stage.

I move: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

This is important and far-reaching legislation which puts in place an organisational structure to deliver a more integrated, efficient and patient-focused health service for the people of Dublin, Kildare and Wicklow. The need for radical structural reform in the health services in the eastern region has been recognised for some time. The existing organisational structure is no longer suitable for the size of the region it serves and the scale and complexity of the issues with which it deals.

In the 30 year period between 1966 and 1996 the population in the Eastern Health Board area increased by 41 per cent. Some 11 per cent of that increase has occurred since 1981 and the population is expected to increase still further in the next few decades. At present, it stands at 1.3 million people compared with the populations of the other health boards which range between 200,000 and 0.5 million people. The size of the board's population, coupled with the fact that most of the acute hospital care in the region is outside its remit, has made it difficult for the Eastern Health Board to achieve a strong sense of identity among the community it serves.

The years since the board's establishment have also seen a marked increase in the range and extent of social problems, such as drug abuse, child abuse and homelessness, which have become part of its remit. The acute hospital services in the region have also come under pressure over the years with ever-increasing demands for services. High levels of deprivation occur in many parts of the region. It has been predicted that the inner city and the rapidly enlarging and gradually ageing suburban population will make substantially heavier demands on the local health services as we move into the next century. Anyone with a knowledge of the complexity of the health services will recognise that although funding will always be an important issue, throwing money at all these problems is not the full answer. We need to organise the services in a more efficient and effective way.

Several expert reports over the years have highlighted the need for radical organisational reform of the structures in the eastern region so that the services can respond effectively to the challenges they face. The core problems identified by successive reports are the absence of a single authority with responsibility for planning the delivery and co-ordination of all services for the region; over-centralised decision-making within the health board; the lack of an appropriate management structure at district level, given the increase in population over the past 30 years; and the need for better communication and co-operation between the voluntary sector and the health board.

This Bill is designed to tackle all these problems. Its primary and overriding objective is to achieve real improvements in the health and personal social services delivered to patients, clients and service users in the eastern region. The new authority and the three area health boards established by this Bill will enable the delivery of health and personal social services to be brought closer to the people. Decisions regarding the provision of local services will be made closer to the point of delivery and, through the involvement of local councillors on each area health board, more involvement by local communities in the planning and organisation of their health services will be made possible.

The second objective of the Bill is to ensure in a more accurate and accountable way than is possible at present that the £1.2 billion now spent annually on the health services in the eastern region provides the best possible value for money for the taxpayer. Under the terms of this Bill, all service provision within the eastern region, whether the service provider is a statutory body or a voluntary agency, will be on the basis of a written, legally binding service agreement between the authority and the service provider.

Service agreements will facilitate better planning, better budgeting and more accountability at all levels of the services. They will ensure a degree of continuity and financial security for providers, on the one hand, and will ensure that the use of public funds can be fully accounted for, on the other. The Bill requires the authority and each area health board to put in place systems, procedures and practices to monitor and evaluate all the services provided on their behalf.

This Bill follows closely the recommendations of the task force on the eastern regional health authority, which submitted its report to me at the end of June 1997. The task force consulted widely with all the various interests involved in the course of preparing its report. Meetings and discussions were held with many of the principal parties, including the members of the board and the management of the Eastern Health Board, the owners and management of the voluntary hospitals, the voluntary agencies and organisations providing services to persons with a mental handicap and some staff associations. The task force is continuing with its work, preparing the ground for a smooth transition to the new structures.

The new authority proposed by this Bill will replace the Eastern Health Board as the statutory body with responsibility for the health services, but its focus will be significantly different from that of the current Eastern Health Board. It will be required to focus on the strategic planning of services for the region in response to identified and measured need; the commissioning of services from the statutory and voluntary sectors; and overseeing and evaluating the services provided.

This will be a body charged with examining the health needs of its population as a whole, ranging over all the health services: health promotion and disease prevention; primary care, acute hospital care and community care, including personal social services, in both the voluntary and statutory sectors. It will carry out its functions in the context of the objectives of the health strategy maximising health and social gain; addressing inequalities in health status; tackling the main causes of premature death; promoting good health; preventing disease; treating the sick and helping families and individuals to deal with personal social problems. In its allocation of resources, it will be charged with responsibility for deciding priorities on the basis of those parameters and with ensuring efficiency, effectiveness and value for money.

The Eastern Regional Health Authority will present us with an unprecedented opportunity to develop a comprehensive, cohesive and integrated health system in the eastern region. It will have the potential to deliver real benefits to the people in the long-term, by bringing about a re-orientation of the services, so that all services are integrated around the patient and are seamless in the perception of the user.

Let me give an example of the sort of improvement I hope this reorganisation will help to bring about. Take an elderly patient who is under the care of her general practitioner, who needs urgent geriatric care in a voluntary acute hospital. On discharge from hospital she might require convalescent care provided by the statutory services, followed by some time in a private nursing home. Finally she may be allowed home, with domiciliary support provided by the statutory services and attendance at a voluntary day hospital.

Each one of the components of health care received by this not untypical patient is managed, staffed and organised by different sets of people, with different training, protocols and procedures. However, if our imaginary patient can move through the sequence easily, without delay, and if her perception is that she is receiving a unified, comprehensive and seamless service, then the system is working. The positive experience of that elderly patient is the one I want to have available in future to all the people who use the health services in the eastern region. That will be one of the key criteria by which the authority will be judged.

The delivery of statutory services in the new structure will be the responsibility of the three area health boards established by the Bill. The Northern Area Health Board, the South-Western Area Health Board and the East Coast Area Health Boards will each have responsibility for the delivery within their own areas of the services currently being provided by the Eastern Health Board. They will also plan and co-ordinate all services within their areas, in co-operation with the local voluntary service providers.

I would envisage these area health boards operating to all intents and purposes as health boards in their own right, but within an overall policy and financial framework laid down by the central Authority. Each area health board will elect its own chairman and vice chairman and will hold its meetings in accordance with the rules which apply to all health boards. Each area health board will have its own chief executive, who will manage the statutory services within the board's functional area. This will allow the area health boards to focus more closely than is possible in the present structure on issues which affect their own local communities.

A unique characteristic of the health services in the eastern region is that, to a greater extent than elsewhere in the country, a very significant proportion of the services are provided by voluntary hospitals and agencies, at present funded directly by my Department and with no formal links with the health board. It is accepted that this direct funding of voluntary providers by my Department has impeded the proper co-ordination and development of services at local level. In particular, it has hampered the development of linkages between community and hospital services and between voluntary and statutory services – linkages which are essential to the development of coherent, integrated responses to important health care issues such as care of the elderly. This Bill addresses that situation by bringing about a major change in the funding arrangements for the voluntary hospitals and agencies in the eastern region. The introduction, under this Bill, of service agreements between the authority and the major voluntary providers means that the voluntary sector will be formally tied into the overall services in the region for the first time. The proposals will allow the voluntary hospitals and agencies to retain their operational autonomy, while making them fully accountable for the public funds that they receive.

I emphasise at this point, as I did on the publication of this Bill, that there is no intention on the part of the Department or the Government to "take over" the voluntary hospitals, by way of this Bill or by any other means. The health strategy, published in 1994, made it clear that the independent identity of the voluntary providers would be fully respected in the new structures and this Bill delivers on that promise. As I have said before, the challenge for the authority and its management will be to develop an ethos of partnership between statutory and voluntary providers, with the shared objective of delivering a fully integrated service to patients and clients, and to develop the requisite level of co-operation between professionals and between agencies to achieve this.

The challenge for the voluntary sector will be to demonstrate, particularly through good governance and management, that it can continue to deliver the required level of services in a sensitive, caring and cost effective manner. I believe the best guarantee of continuing autonomy into the long-term future is the excellence of governance and management in the provider agencies and their ability to participate fully in the planning and review of services.

I now wish to turn to the main provisions of the Bill. This Bill is divided into six parts: Part I deals with preliminary matters; Part II deals with the establishment of the Eastern Regional Health Authority; Part III with the establishment of the three area health boards, Part IV with the dissolution of the Eastern Health Board; Part V with the establishment of the health boards executive and Part VI with the amendment of other Acts.

In Part I, section 3 provides that the Minister shall by order appoint a day to be the establishment day for the purposes of the Act, that is, the day on which the authority and the area health boards will come into being.

Section 5 allows the Minister to amend the First and Second Schedules to the Bill. The First Schedule sets out the boundaries of the three area health boards. The Minister may amend the boundaries after consultation with the Minister for the Environment and Local Government and the local authority concerned. The Second Schedule is a list of the voluntary hospitals and agencies which are currently funded directly by my Department. The Minister is empowered to amend this Schedule, but he must consult with a voluntary body before deleting its name from the list. I will return to the significance of this provision later.

Part II of the Bill deals with the Eastern Regional Health Authority. Section 7 establishes the authority as a body corporate and defines its functional area, which will correspond to that of the existing Eastern Health Board. It provides that any reference in any enactment to a health board shall be interpreted as including a reference to the authority. This is a simple legal device which allows the authority to take on all the legal powers and duties of a health board. Elsewhere in the Bill some of these powers are delegated to the area health boards.

Section 8 sets out the functions of the authority. These will consist of the existing functions of a health board and the new statutory functions of planning, arranging for and overseeing the provision of all health and personal social services in the region.

One of the key recommendations of the task force's report was that a clear division should be established in the new structures between the funding of the services and their delivery. Accordingly, the authority will not be involved itself in the direct provision of services. Instead, it is required to make arrangements for the pro vision of services with the three area health boards and the voluntary service providers. This section also requires the authority to co-ordinate the provision of services in its region; to put in place systems to monitor and evaluate the services provided and to have regard to the advice tendered by each of the three area health boards.

The authority is required, in section 8(2)(d), to have regard to the right of voluntary bodies providing services to manage their own affairs in accordance with their independent ethos and traditions. This provision has been included in the Bill in response to the concerns of the voluntary hospitals and agencies providing services for the mentally handicapped that the new structures might in some way cut across their long cherished status as independent institutions.

There will be no change under the new arrangements in the status or operation of any voluntary provider, whether an acute hospital, a mental handicap agency or other service provider. Their ownership will not change; their governing bodies, whether boards of management or trustees, will remain and retain all their functions, and there will be no change in the existing personnel and recruitment arrangements. Neither will the new arrangements interfere with the close co-operation between the universities and their associated hospitals. What will change is that the voluntary providers will be funded by the new authority instead of the Department of Health and Children.

Section 9 requires the authority to delegate its reserved functions in relation to service delivery to the three area health boards. Reserved functions are those functions performed directly by the members of the board. With a similar provision in section 17 dealing with executive functions, this provision will ensure responsibility for service delivery rests at area level. Where the authority decides that a certain function would be more efficiently performed in respect of the whole of the region by one area health board, this section allows it to delegate that function to one area health board.

This section is an important provision. Its effect will be that the authority must adhere to its strategic functions. It cannot and ought not become a court of appeal or a forum in which operational decisions taken at area health board level are reopened for discussion. The authority's standing orders, which will be agreed by its members on its establishment, will have to reflect this important feature of its operation.

Section 10 requires the Eastern Regional Health Authority to make arrangements, or service agreements as they are more commonly known, with service providers for the provision of services in its region. These arrangements will apply to the three area health boards as well as to the major voluntary service providers – that is, hospitals and mental handicap agencies – which are funded directly by my Department.

The authority is required to make an arrangement with each area health board for the provision, within that board's area, of the services formerly provided by the Eastern Health Board. If it considers it appropriate to do so, the authority may terminate any part of a service agreement which it holds with an area health board and make an alternative arrangement with a voluntary body for the provision of the service concerned. The reverse can also happen, as the section allows the authority to make arrangements with area health boards for services other than those formerly provided by the Eastern Health Board, for example, new services or services formerly provided by a voluntary service provider.

Every arrangement made under this section – whether with an area health board or a voluntary body – must consist of two parts: first, a long-term agreement of three to five years setting out the general principles by which both parties agree to abide and such other standards in relation to efficiency, effectiveness and quality as may be agreed between the parties and, second, an annual agreement specifying the services to be provided in respect of that year and the level of funding to be made available therefor. Voluntary bodies providing services in accordance with arrangements made under this section will be required to keep accounts in such form as may be approved by the authority.

Under section 10(5), the authority may delegate the making of arrangements to the area health boards, except in cases where the arrangement is with another area health board or with one of the voluntary bodies listed in the Second Schedule. Deputies will recall that, under section 5, the Minister cannot remove a name from the Second Schedule without consulting the voluntary body concerned. This provision acts as a guarantee for the voluntary hospitals and agencies funded by my Department that they will be funded by the authority at central level, until and unless they decide that it is in their best interests to be funded by their local area health board.

This provision does not mean the voluntary agencies can ignore or bypass the important work of local planning and co-ordination which will be done at area level. On the contrary, the service agreements negotiated by the authority with these voluntary bodies will specifically require them to co-operate with the management of the area health boards and to participate in whatever mechanisms are put in place for that purpose by the area chief executives.

Section 11 provides for membership of the authority. In this section, I have followed the recommendations of the task force on the Eastern Regional Health Authority which offered a well thought-out and logical solution to a potentially contentious issue. In this context, the task force was constrained in its work by a number of parameters which had been laid down for it by the previous Government, and accepted by this Government, including the requirement that public representatives hold a majority on the authority.

This is a principle I fully endorse, because I do not want a democratic deficit to develop in the governance of the health service, a problem which has arisen in health services elsewhere. We must all accept that, once this rule of a majority of public representatives is applied, the scope for substantial numbers of other representatives on the authority is limited, unless we want a body of 100 members or more. This is an important point which has not been given due consideration by commentators.

The Eastern Health Board has 38 members. Given that the inclusion of the voluntary hospitals will provide the new authority with a budget twice the size of that of the Eastern Health Board, the increase in membership from 38 to 55 is reasonable.

Of the authority's 55 members, 30 will be public representatives, nominated by the six local authorities in the functional area of the authority. The remainder will be made up as follows: 13 members of registered professions – doctors, nurses, dentists, pharmacists – elected by their peers in the same numbers and in the same manner as currently applies to the Eastern Health Board; nine representatives of the voluntary service providers, appointed by the Minister and three ministerial nominees. Of the nine representatives of the voluntary service providers, the section provides that three will be nominated for appointment by persons or bodies the Minister considers representative of the voluntary hospitals, three by bodies representative of the voluntary mental handicap agencies and three by other voluntary bodies.

I acknowledge that, for a governing body, the size of the authority as proposed in the Bill is large. The challenge for the members of the authority will be to adopt, from the outset, working practices and processes which will take account of its size and which will ensure the overall task is broken down into sensible and manageable parts, enabling full use to be made of all the talents available among the membership. The mechanisms by which this might be achieved are being developed by the task force, so that concrete proposals can be put to the authority on its establishment.

Section 12 provides for the appointment by the authority of a regional chief executive, pursuant to a recommendation from the Local Appointments Commission. It gives the regional chief executive all the powers of a health board chief executive officer, by providing that any reference in any enactment to the chief executive officer of a health board shall be interpreted as including a reference to the regional chief executive.

The section provides that the Minister may appoint the first regional chief executive in advance of the establishment of the authority, for a period not exceeding three years. I am taking this power to ensure the planning and prep aration for the new authority can get under way as soon as possible after the Bill has been enacted. The first regional chief executive will be an important influence in achieving a smooth transition to the new authority. A person of the highest calibre with the requisite leadership qualities and experience is required to be put in place as quickly as possible if the transition to the new structures is to be successfully carried out. I intend to make this appointment shortly after the Bill has been enacted.

Section 13 provides that the regional chief executive can be required to attend before the Committee of Public Accounts to account for the expenditure of the authority and the three area health boards.

Part III of the Bill establishes the three area health boards and defines their functions. Section 14 establishes the boards and provides that they will be known respectively as the Northern, the South-Western and the East Coast Area Health Boards. Each area health board will be a body corporate with the power to sue and be sued and to acquire, hold and dispose of land and other property. The population of the northern area, according to 1996 census figures, is 454,088; that of the south-westen area is 515,568 and the population of the east coast area stands at 324,308.

The functional areas of the three boards will be as set out in the First Schedule to the Bill. The boundaries follow the recommendations of the task force on the Eastern Regional Health Authority, which spent considerable time examining what might be the optimum division of the region and consulting with the various interests involved. The detailed rationale for the boundaries can be found in the task force's interim report. They follow the local authority boundaries as far as possible. Where the boundaries diverge from the local authority boundaries, they do so for sound service delivery reasons and follow instead local electoral area boundaries.

Section 15 sets out the functions of the area health boards. They are required to perform the functions delegated to them by the authority; to provide services within their functional areas in accordance with the arrangements made with the authority under section 10 and to plan and co-ordinate the provision of all services in their areas, in co-operation with voluntary service providers.

This last function, the planning and co-ordination of services at area level, is perhaps the most vital of all the functions of the area health board. The need for substantial improvements in planning, co-ordination and integration of services in the eastern region is widely recognised and was one of the key factors in bringing forward the proposals for new structures in the Bill. The role of the voluntary sector will be crucial.

Each area chief executive, once appointed, will set about putting in place mechanisms, which will be inclusive of voluntary sector providers, for ensuring good planning and co-ordination of services in their areas. One option for such mechan isms would be the concept of the providers forum, as outlined in the task force report, but other routes could be followed. The legislation is not prescriptive on this point, so as to allow each area to develop its own dynamic and build up the relationships between providers as it sees fit. Voluntary providers in each area will be fully involved in the discussions on the approach to be adopted in their area. My Department is already in discussions with the major voluntary hospitals on this and other issues and I expect that process of consultation will continue and be extended to include other voluntary providers after this Bill's enactment.

This section also requires an area health board to carry out its functions subject to the general directions of the authority and to co-operate with the authority and the other area health boards in matters of overall co-ordination of services across the region. Where area health boards make arrangements with third parties for the provision of services, they must put systems in place to evaluate and monitor those services.

Section 16 provides for membership of the area health boards. It provides that the membership will be specified by the Minister in regulations, subject to certain parameters as set out in this section. Members of area health boards will be appointed by the authority from within the authority's own membership for terms of office of not more than five years.

At least one member from each of the categories on the authority – that is to say, public representatives, health professionals, voluntary sector and ministerial nominees – will be represented on each area health board. Public representatives will hold the majority on all area health boards and the public representatives appointed to each area health board will be from local electoral areas within that board's functional area. Area health boards may make payments to members for travelling and subsistence expenses and may pay allowances to their chairmen and vice-chairmen.

Section 17 provides for the appointment by the authority, pursuant to a recommendation from the Local Appointments Commissioners, of three area chief executives and their assignment by the authority to the three area health boards. The Minister may appoint the first incumbents prior to establishment day, pursuant to a recommendation from the Local Appointments Commissioners. I hope these three posts could be filled very shortly after the enactment of this Bill, so that the new area chief executives can begin the preparatory work in their areas in advance of the establishment day.

Area chief executives will hold office on terms and conditions similar to chief executive officers of health boards and shall act as chief executive officers of their area health boards. They will be delegated certain executive powers by the regional chief executive to enable them to manage the services provided within their respective areas and they will be required to exercise their functions subject to the general direction of the regional chief executive.

Section 18 provides for keeping accounts by the three area health boards. The accounts of the authority itself will be governed by existing legislation on health boards. This section is an important expression of the stringent accountability which will characterise the work of the new authority.

The Minister has one minute to conclude. Perhaps the House will allow him complete his contribution. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Under this section, each area health board is required to prepare annual financial statements in accordance with accounting standards specified by the Minister. These will form part of the consolidated financial statements of the authority and, as such, shall be adopted by the authority. In addition, the accounts of each area health board will form part of the consolidated accounts of the authority and will be audited in the usual way by the Comptroller and Auditor General. Part IV provides for the dissolution of the Eastern Health Board and the transfer of its staff and its assets to the new authority.

Section 19 provides for the dissolution of the Eastern Health Board on the establishment day and the transfer of its land, property, assets and liabilities to the authority. The authority may, in turn, transfer any land, property, assets or liabilities transferred to it under this section to an area health board. This section also provides for the drawing up of the final accounts of the Eastern Health Board and for the continuation of any legal proceedings, resolutions, orders, notices, rules or regulations made by or involving the Eastern Health Board.

Section 20 provides that the staff of the Eastern Health Board will be transferred to the authority. Except where otherwise negotiated with a recognised trade union, staff transferred to the authority will be subject to terms and conditions not less favourable than those they currently enjoy. Employment contracts held with the Eastern Health Board will transfer to the authority. Staff transferred to the authority may be assigned by the regional chief executive to an area health board and, if so assigned, will be subject to the direction of the relevant area chief executive.

Staff interests will be fully consulted on all the implications of the transfer process. The task force, which has a mandate to manage and oversee the transition to the new structures has made it clear that it will continue the consultation process which has been ongoing with staff interests since it began its task last year. It is also the task force's intention, on the enactment of this Bill, to launch an information campaign which will deal with the concerns of all Eastern Health Board staff regarding the implications of the changes for them and for their work. It is important to bear in mind that only a minority of the 9,000 staff employed by the Eastern Health Board will be affected in any substantial way by the proposed changes. The majority of the staff will continue to work at their present posts, but for a different employing authority.

Of necessity, the level of consultation with staff interests to date has been fairly low key, as the Oireachtas has yet to give its approval to the proposals in this Bill. However, I expect that, once the Bill has been enacted, the consultation process will intensify significantly. Part V, section 21, establishes a health boards executive. This will be an executive agency serving all of the health boards. It is important to bear in mind that its establishment is an entirely separate matter from the establishment of the authority.

It has been recognised for some time now that there is a need for some sort of central agency for the health boards, through which the chief executive officers could jointly pursue some of their common objectives, such as those in the area of health promotion, for example. This provision for a health boards executive will meet that need.

The executive will have the potential to effect substantial progress on a range of important operational issues which span all health boards. It will provide considerable scope for maximising efficiency and effectiveness across a range of health board functions, both administrative and operational. It may also provide some scope for the devolution of functions from my Department, in keeping with the strategic objectives outlined in the Department's strategy statement, "Working for Health and Well-being".

The members of the health boards executive will be the chief executive officers of the health boards including the regional chief executive and the three area chief executives. It will be a corporate body, with the power to sue and be sued, to own land and other property and to employ staff. It will be financed by the health boards and will make an annual report of its activities to the Minister and to each health board.

Part VI contains amendments to other Acts which, in the main, result from the provisions of the Bill. I draw the attention of Deputies to section 22, which amends the Second Schedule of the Health Act, 1970, in relation to rules of attendance at meetings of health boards. This provision has been included in response to representations made to me by the Association of Health Boards in Ireland. It removes a disparity between local authority members and other members of the boards in relation to rules of attendance at meetings and modifies the rule regarding the disqualification from membership of health boards if more than six consecutive meetings are missed.

The proposals in this Bill amount to the most significant reform of health service structures in this country since the establishment of the health boards under the Health Act, 1970. Their fundamental aim is to improve substantially the planning, management and delivery of health services to the people of Dublin, Kildare and Wicklow. They will also ensure that the services are provided in the most effective, efficient and accountable way possible, consistent with the aims of the national health strategy.

This Bill is a very important initiative in a series of initiatives which my Department has undertaken in recent years to substantially improve the governance, organisation and management of the health services. It is vital that such measures be taken now, at a time when the economic climate is favourable, so that the services are better equipped to deal with the challenges which will face them in the future.

I am fully aware that the period of transition to the new structures will present a major challenge to the task force, the Eastern Health Board, the voluntary providers and my Department. It will be very important to ensure that the new authority and the other agencies affected by the changes have the personnel, the skills and the infrastructure required to perform the functions expected of them in the new environment. I know the implementation of the proposals in this Bill will take time, patience and perseverance on all sides. However, I am confident everyone will put their shoulders to the wheel in the months ahead so that we can ensure that the health services in the Eastern region can achieve their full potential as we enter the 21st century. I commend the Bill to the House.

I welcome the opportunity to discuss this Bill. I support the concept of putting in place a more efficient health system as it applies to the Eastern Health Board region. The approach proposed by the new Eastern Regional Health Authority may provide a mirror image of changes which may ultimately be applied to other health boards.

The need for the Eastern Regional Health Authority and the area authorities is accepted. The huge increase in population in the Eastern Health Board area means individual communities are remote from the health services on which they are dependent. There is a feeling of lack of local accountability for the provision of services and a need to put in place a more responsive system.

I wish to raise a number of technical matters relating to the legislation and policy issues and relevant issues concerning the manner in which the health service operates. The Bill will incorporate voluntary hospitals in a health board structure. They will have autonomy in regard to the provision of services. The matter of annual financial allocations will involve direct discussions with the Department. The voluntary hospitals see themselves as having an independence of the health boards and a degree of flexibility in the provision of services that is not always perceived to be the case in the context of health board managed hospitals. In the various hospitals I have visited, not only in the eastern region but elsewhere, there is a perception that the voluntary hospitals are willing to be more critical of aspects of the health service and of the constraints imposed on their provision of services than health board administered hospitals. I do not say that as a particular criticism of anybody involved in either the medical or the administrative side of the health board hospitals. We are fortunate to have a number of people doing extraordinarily good work in the management of a variety of hospitals, both health board and voluntary.

I am concerned to ensure the voluntary nature of these hospitals is preserved. There is a degree of concern on the part of some that the new structures may result in a culture developing in which a health authority involved in the direct administration of particular hospitals will tend to have a greater commitment to the provision of funding for the hospitals specifically run by the health board rather than voluntary hospitals. Perhaps the Minister will respond on this matter.

It is important in the context of the manner in which the regional authority will work that the Minister clarifies how his Department will approach the annual funding provisions at budget time. Will a large sum of money be provided to the regional authority without the Department expressing a view as to where priority should lie? What will be the interaction between the Department and the regional authority on policy issues and who will have the ultimate authority? Will the Minister retain some authority or will the regional authority lay down policy? Will the Minister be accountable to this House? At present, if there is a view concerning a shortfall or a failure to provide a particular service or funding in a health board region, mechanisms such as Dáil questions, Adjournment debates or otherwise can be used to call the Minister to account for his perceived failures. What is the position in this case? Will the Eastern Regional Health Authority, as in the case of other quangos set up in the past, be granted such a degree of autonomy that when difficult questions arise about the capacity or efficiency of the health service in its area, the Minister will disclaim any responsibility or political accountability to the Dáil? That issue is perceived to be more important on this side of the House than on the Government's side. It is about parliamentary accountability for the provision of our health services. It would produce an odd result if future Ministers were accountable to this House for certain aspects of health services, administered by other health boards, but not for areas where they contribute to the decision-making process in the eastern region.

Will the Minister clarify how the new structure will impact on the teaching functions of the hospitals which come within the relevant region? Will the Department of Health and Children provide funding for teaching hospitals, in the context of their teaching function, separate from the funding allocated by the Eastern Regional Health Authority directly to the area boards which then determine funding for individual hospitals? This is an important issue.

A number of the hospitals which will operate under the new arrangement have national specialties. The national specialties are confined to the eastern region. Where will the funding determination originate for voluntary hospitals? There will be particular allocations, as detailed recently by the Minister in the 1999 allocation, for national specialties to different hospitals, whether the Mater Hospital, Tallaght, Beaumont or the Children's Hospital, each of which has a particular specialty of a national dimension. Will the decision concerning funding for those hospitals remain with the Department of Health and Children or will it be determined by the Eastern Regional Health Authority? If so, what criteria will that authority or individual area health boards take into account in determining allocations for the servicing of national specialties?

What will be the decision-making capacity of the eastern regional health board in determining where national specialties or tertiary services are provided? One can look at the example of a recent controversy, which I do not wish to revisit today. Recommendations were issued by the national cancer forum regarding certain paediatric services for the detection of leukaemia and with regard to whether the main centre should be Our Lady's Hospital, Crumlin, or Tallaght Hospital for initial diagnosis and treatment plans. Will it be a function of the Eastern Regional Health Authority to make those decisions? Will it be a function of the Minister or the national cancer forum? Who will exercise those judgments and who will be the person or body vested with primary responsibility? The position is not clear from the legislation.

I support in principle the establishment of new structural mechanisms to ensure greater local accountability for the provision of health services. However, I am concerned about the bureaucratic implications of this proposal, on which the Minister has not enlightened the House. In the context of the current staff in the Eastern Health Board, how does he envisage the devolution of staff as between the Eastern Regional Health Authority and the three area health boards to be put in place? Will additional staff be required or will current staff be devolved among the different bodies? What mechanisms are to be put in place to do that by agreement and in discussion with the staff unions? Does the Minister anticipate that additional administrative staff will have to be recruited? Will the administrative costs of running the system be expanded by the establishment of a regional health authority and three area boards?

Will the Minister apply the Department's Tallaght philosophy? It was the Department's view that when three hospitals moved to Tallaght, it was possible to calculate the required funding by totting up the total expenditure of all three hospitals. Is it the Minister's view that the only public expenditure required to provide these new layers of bureaucracy is simply the Eastern Health Board allocation divided into four? The answer is not clear in the legislation.

If it is more costly, as I suspect it will prove to be, in Civil Service or bureaucratic terms to have one regional authority and three area boards, I am anxious to ensure that the additional costs incurred to establish them do not act to the detriment of the provision of health services and the delivery of health care. If this Government is still in office next year or in 2001 and a judgment is to be made as to what funding should be allocated to this new body, if the base is perceived as the funding allocated to the Eastern Health Board and if the new administrations prove more costly, will there be a run down of health services, particularly services suffering a financial shortfall, with patient waiting lists lengthening as a consequence because the Minister is not prepared to foot the additional bill?

New structures will not only require a change in the role of the Civil Service, which effectively runs the Eastern Health Board, but will also require new properties and headquarters. The Minister should indicate what research has been done into that aspect of the proposal and what the likely cost will be. Where does he envisage the main centres of each area health board being established? Are buildings currently under construction to establish them and what are the costs of those buildings?

The legislation does not address one issue. It deals with the composition of the Eastern Regional Health Authority and the area health boards. However, it does not address the rights of the consumers of health services, be they medical services, child care services, adoption services, social work services and the range of services delivered by the Eastern Health Board at present. These will be delivered by area health boards under the aegis of the Eastern Regional Health Authority. The area boards will have medical and political representatives as detailed in the legislation. However, there is no place for the consumer of health services outside those groups. There should be a place for consumers.

Who will the public representatives represent?

There should be a place for consumers outside the representation provided by public representatives. The legislation should provide for a patients consultative committee which would be appointed to report on and be free to criticise aspects of health care delivery by the area boards. It would be something outside the political mainstream and separate from those who are delivering the services to ensure there is a patient focus in hospital and medical services and a consumer focus in the other services.

There is a precedent for this. In the Child Care Act, 1991 there is provision for children's committees which are to report to individual health boards on the manner in which children's services are working under that Act. The role of such committees is recognised. There would be a greater role for patients consultative committees. On occasions, the manner in which public representatives might approach health care issues could be determined more by their party view than by particular concerns of patients and, if their party is in Government, it might be dominated by a wish not to embarrass the Minister of the day. A greater role can be played by consumers of the health service than is recognised or provided for in the legislation.

I wish to refer to the composition of the regional authority and the area boards. For once, I might be in agreement with the Minister about an issue. There is a genuine concern about the numbers involved in the authority. I have reservations about the ability of an authority composed of the proposed numbers to deliberate on issues in a workable way. I make that comment as a casualty of Dublin County Council. It functioned extremely well as a council. There were decisions, of which I was then and still am critical, in the rezoning area and issues of other controversy during my membership of the council. However, from 1979 to 1985 the council had 35 members and did its business efficiently.

Issues were debated, with and without contention, but it got through its agendas and made decisions. That council expanded in 1985 to become a 78 person council and thereafter descended into chaos. It did not work as a 78 person council and that is the reason we now have three different local authorities in Dublin.

I share the concern implicit in the Minister's contribution about the numbers on this authority and I am not sure there is a solution to it. I accept his point that it is important that there is a majority of public representatives on the authority so that there is a degree of political accountability in its workings. We need to give this matter further consideration between now and Committee Stage.

I am also concerned about the under-representation of one specific group – nurses. There is a ratio of one general nurse out of 36 members on the current Eastern Health Board, and this would be altered to one general nurse on an enlarged authority of 55 members. That would effectively result in there not being a general nurse on two of the area health boards. That is a problem.

We have been slow to recognise – this is a theme I have spoken about in the past – that nurses, above all people, are in the front line of the provision of care to patients on a daily basis. They see the good and the bad in the way the health service delivers and they are the direct recipients of what I would describe as the important patient information. If patients believe something is wrong or if they have a problem, they are more likely to articulate that to the nursing staff whom they get to know well in a hospital than to the consultants or other doctors who are important to their medical care and treatment but with whom they have less contact. It is important that there is at least one general nurse representa tive on each of the area health boards and we must devise a mechanism to provide for that. That may require increasing the numbers on the regional authority, and I have already said I am concerned about the numbers on that authority, but we need to value to a far greater degree than we have done over the years, the input the nursing profession can make both in the development and the running of our health services. That difficulty must be addressed.

Will the Minister explain how our social work services will be divided up in the context of this new authority? In so far as they are operated through community care or health centres I presume the manner in which the change will work will be relatively straightforward based on where the social worker is employed, but what about our adoption services? There is substantial valid public criticism of the manner in which the adoption service is dealt with in the Eastern Health Board area and the approach taken to many of those who seek to adopt. This problem is not replicated by any of the feedback I have received over the years in respect of the services provided through any other health board. There is a particular problem in the Eastern Health Board area.

The first issue is in the context of adoption services. What is to happen to them? This is an important issue and it cannot be left on the basis that the regional health authority will decide this at a later stage, which is the simple reply. Is it the view of the Minister that one of the area health boards will effectively provide the eastern regional authority area a service as if it is the speciality of a particular board? If not, is it to be divided between the different area boards? If so, how will that be done administratively?

Another issue is the need to address the public concerns expressed by a number of people about attitudes displayed by some – I emphasise the word "some" because we have some excellent people working in the adoption area in all the health boards – of the social workers charged with assessing people for foreign adoption and, on occasion, for domestic adoption. Questions are being asked of people seeking to adopt of a nature so intimate as to be irrelevant to determining their suitability as parents. They are a gross invasion of privacy. An ideological approach is being taken by some social workers to people seeking to adopt which suggests that if a couple is seeking to adopt from abroad, there is something dysfunctional about that married couple that the social worker has to come to terms with and analyse. There have been reports that some social workers believe that before a couple's suitability for adoption abroad can be determined, they have to be focused to engage in some type of bereavement counselling for the fact that they have been unable to conceive. That ideology has afflicted social work in Great Britain and is found among small groups of people in Ireland and it is a genuine cause of public concern.

This problem has not been treated seriously enough by Government. I am aware a depart mental committee is examining the procedures applied in the Eastern Health Board area but we should not dismiss public concerns an increasingly vocal number of people are expressing about the manner in which they are treated.

There is a great inefficiency about the way the system works. For example, I am aware that people who sought to apply to adopt abroad were put on a long adoption waiting list in the Eastern Health Board area. A year or 18 months later they received a letter to the effect that they have reached the top of the list whereby an assessment might commence, but before it could commence a whole range of documentation was sought from them which could have been sought at the outset when they were put on the waiting list. The assessment that had been awaited for 12 or 18 months was then put back when the people were informed for the first time of a range of documents required from them that may take them another two or three months to accumulate. That is not the way to treat people. That issue should be addressed and the Minister should clarify the manner in which our adoption services are administered under the new system.

I want an assurance from the Minister that the new health authority and the area boards will have up to date and efficient information systems which will ensure that there is updated information on the state of waiting lists, the availability of consultants, the length of time people have to wait to see consultants working in particular specialities, to get in-patient hospital care or attend a hospital for day surgery. I want an assurance from the Minister that those information systems will be linked into the Department of Health and Children. The Department is antediluvian in the manner in which it accumulates information. It is a national scandal that in February 1999 we only know the waiting list figures up to September 1998. The Department's information systems are six months behind. That is part of the difficulty with the health service – the Department does not have up to date information and is not in a position to make immediate decisions to intervene in areas where difficulties have arisen.

Will the Minister indicate if the new area boards or the health authority will have funding flexibility, if it is found that there is an unexpected escalation in waiting lists, so there can be targeted additional financial allocations to ensure that patients in need of care receive it without undue delay?

I extend a broad welcome to this Bill in so far as it deals with the reorganisation of the Eastern Health Board. Despite its title, this Bill is not just about that reorganisation, although that issue is addressed in its provisions.

If passed unamended, the Bill has the potential to shift the balance within the entire health board system in a way which would be at variance with the principles of democratic accountability and transparency. We are going ahead with the establishment of a health board authority for the greater Eastern Health Board region. There is, however, also a new executive proposed which will be unelected, unaccountable and separate from the Eastern Health Board reorganisation. That is a significant matter.

There was no warning about this proposal. It indicates that we are not discussing genuine devolution of power. These new boards may turn out to be puppet regimes rather than centres of governance. There is a history of tight, centralised control of health care in Ireland and a lack of confidence in the ability of health boards. We all recognise that there are structural problems in the eastern region.

These problems have been considered by a number of Governments. Ten years ago the Commission on Health Funding identified the need for integration of responsibility for all levels of service within catchment areas. The Eastern Health Board region was identified as lacking such integration. The Kennedy report in 1990 argued for better co-ordination and integration of services. The health strategy, Shaping a Healthier Future, proposed a new authority in 1994 to co-ordinate the various strands of statutory and voluntary service providers. Since then the Task Force on the Eastern Regional Authority carried out its work, into which the previous Minister had an input, and now the Minister is introducing this Bill to the House. We are debating the results of a considerable amount of work and deliberation by many people. I acknowledge their efforts.

The project is defined as the establishment of a new eastern regional health authority which will be responsible for the funding of all health and personal social services, both statutory and voluntary, in Counties Dublin, Kildare and Wicklow. Its purpose is to reform organisational structures to improve co-ordination and integration in the planning and delivery of services. As such it will impact directly on hundreds of thousands of people in the greater Dublin conurbation.

Apart from reorganising the Eastern Health Board this Bill contains provisions with fundamental implications for all health boards, provisions tagged on to the Bill which have nothing to do with the restructuring. It is not unusual that items are added to Bills, usually as a tidying up exercise, but in this case I have a suspicion it is more than that – it is a stitching up exercise.

The proposed establishment of the health board executive is a new, distinct measure which is at variance with the spirit of the Bill. Such a proposal would not have been subject to the extensive discussion, consultation and analysis as the other proposals. This will be an executive made up of all the health board chief executive officers, including those in the restructured East ern Health Board region, which will have wide ranging powers but will not be answerable to the local health board or the health authority of the greater Dublin area, but solely to itself and the Minister for Health and Children. The Minister is proposing to establish a super authority made up of the most senior executive health officers which will meet in secret and make decisions on behalf of health boards. These things happen, we have all been local authority members and know the way in which power is disseminated in this State. It is not always democratic. There are habits learned over the years which must be addressed. The health boards do not have to be informed what the executive meetings decide. The only person they will be answerable to is the Minister for Health and Children.

Section 21(4) specifies that this executive shall perform, on behalf of the health boards, such executive functions as may be specified from time to time by the members of the executive and such other executive functions in relation to improving the efficiency of the health and social services as the Minister may, from time to time, direct. This is an executive of unelected officials working on behalf of the health boards but not subject or accountable to them. Solely accountable to itself and the Minister, the executive will be resourced by members of the health board, whether they want to or not, who will not even know about the decisions it makes.

The powers of the executive might not always be used, but if they are used they are extensive. They include buying and selling property, receipt of gifts, taking on staff and commissioning research. It will not, however, be subject to democratic scrutiny. I do not count provision of an annual report as subjecting it to scrutiny. I have seen enough reports to know that they can be beautifully designed to tell nothing. The meetings will be in private and the local accountability will be nil.

This measure has not been debated in any public forum. There is a danger that it will establish a shadow chain of authority made up of full-time senior figures referring solely to themselves or the Minister. That negates the spirit of this Bill which is to ensure that there is accountability and that democracy is extended.

On 17 November 1996, the Minister, Deputy Noonan, announced the publication of this Bill. His press release did not mention the provision of an executive. He commented in his speech:

The proposals in this Bill should not come as a surprise to anyone as they have been formulated and developed by my Department taking into account the views expressed by the task force by all the various interests involved.

When I read section 21 I was surprised, as were the members of health boards with whom I checked at random. Since he did not do so in his speech when publishing the Bill, the Minister should on replying explain in greater detail what is going on. He should explain where the public demand exists for chief executive officers to be organised on a statutory basis for the first time. If the same basis was provided for country managers, it would not be as easy to slip it through.

We must look at the long-term effects of such a structure being established. Where is the body of opinion which seeks to centralise power and decision making in this way? The executive will only make executive decisions but there are considerable powers in the ability to make those decisions. Are the chief executive officers seeking this or is the Minister making this decision to keep a tight control? I suspect this comes from senior management in health boards. There may be arguments for efficiency and integration which support this.

Nonetheless, they must be accountable and subject to functioning and effective democratic controls. The Minister should uncouple this provision and use it in a different Bill so that we can concentrate on the matter at hand. That is what I would have liked to have done from the start.

In considering the central theme of the Bill, it is worth asking what precise change will the reorganisation of the Eastern Health Board mean to the public. The primary aim, according to the task force's report, is the delivery of a high quality, effective, integrated and efficient patient-centred health and social service for the people of the region. That is a lofty objective, and it would be nice to think it could be achieved. Realistically, however, it will not be, unless there is a radical change in the quality and inequality inherent in our acute hospital service in particular. Fundamental questions on how our health services are structured have to be addressed if we are to reach that fine objective.

Almost 40,000 people are on waiting lists for hospital procedures, and many more are waiting to attend consultants. People are now waiting to wait to attend consultants. How will the elderly woman waiting months for a hip replacement operation or the young man waiting years for a heart bypass benefit from this reorganisation? I was interested to hear the Minister use the rather touching example of an elderly person in hospital. Elderly people waiting for beds in hospitals are often at risk in their own homes because of insufficient supports. I know an elderly gentleman who spent a night on the floor of his home last week because there was nobody to assist him. He needs a hip replacement operation, but will not get one for months, and continues to live at risk in his home. These are individual cases and it is unusual for the Minister to take a specific example of an elderly woman going through the system.

I am not sure what difference the reorganisation of the health board will mean to that woman's life. As the Minister introduced this matter, I would like to hear how he sees that woman's life being altered in terms of quality of care and equality of access to such care. Will the establishment of four health boards instead of one shorten a waiting list or free up a bed? Will it bridge the deep seated inequality in our acute hospitals between the patients who can afford to pay and those who cannot? There is no evidence it will.

The changes proposed in the Bill will bring the delivery of services closer to people and streamline and integrate services. I hope this objective is met. It is worth mentioning, however, that at no point does the Bill refer to the public and patients, those who receive these services. It would be refreshing to see some mention of them. I know the way Bills are produced and that this is not in the nature of that process, but we need to focus on those who are at the centre of these changes. That does not mean the staff of the health boards, the bureaucracy or the doctors, it means the person who is likely to be sick or the elderly person, which we all hope to be some day.

Under the proposed structure the authority will have powers to plan and oversee as well as fund statutory and voluntary services. These are to be integrated under one overall authority, which is a worthwhile objective, but I am curious as to why one service provider is not included under the aegis of that authority. I refer to the private hospitals which comprise a growing element in this area, particularly in the Eastern Health Board region. The growing number of nursing homes are now subject to Eastern Health Board regulations, a very beneficial change. However, this authority was presumably designed to integrate all the services and private hospitals are flourishing and providing a service to at least part of the population of the region. They are doing so thanks to the taxpayer in so far as individuals get tax relief for taking out private health insurance. These hospitals are a growing force and their presence distorts the health services in ways we must be aware of when planning and monitoring services. It would be better if a connection were made, although I do not want these private hospitals doing better out of this. However, it is shortsighted to ignore the impact they are having on health services. This may also skew the planning and perspective of any such authority.

Like the previous speaker, I am concerned about the provisions for funding of voluntary hospitals. Up to now this was a straightforward process in that they were funded by the Department. Under the new arrangements they will be funded by the authority, and certain interest groups have expressed concerns about this. Some have been very blunt in their complaints, stating that they feel there is a multilayer of bureaucracy that will stymie them. There have been strong criticisms from the Adelaide Hospital Society that describe an understandable fear that these layers may be created to block the clear line it now has to the Department. I do not have a problem with the principle of transferring that power, but there are difficulties here that may not have been adequately considered.

There is a problem in the definition in section 7 of the authority's responsibility in its functional area. It is feared this will be too restrictive. Regarding Tallaght Hospital, legal concerns have been expressed about the status of services carried out in hospitals that are beyond the limits of the functional area referred to in section 7. A hospital like Tallaght has a national role and a particular ethos. Other hospitals have particular specialties that give them a dimension outside the functional area of the Eastern Health Board region. Some have roles as teaching hospitals linked to universities, which gives them a national role and profile.

In reply to a question I asked about national specialist centres in cardiology or neurology, I received a response which stated the Department would tag funds for these specific activities when funds were allocated to the authority. It is not clear from the Bill how that will be done on a statutory basis. It could also mean the authority would become a rubber stamp for what the Department wants or, as was suggested earlier, it could be largely a mudguard to protect the Minister.

Funding is another concern. Implementation of this proposal will not be cheap and I want to know how much it will cost. Many people are concerned that administration in the health services is eating up too much money. It is easy to find a scapegoat, but there are dangers inherent in this of which I am sure the Minister is aware. As I said earlier, there is also the problem of conflict between the policies of the Department and the authority when strategic decisions are being made. Paediatric services was the example given; one gets the impression that Crumlin Hospital will end up with every paediatric service in the greater Dublin area. I do not know if that is the intention, but Temple Street Children's Hospital and Tallaght Hospital are concerned in this regard. It is vital that paediatric services continue at Temple Street. The community is very dependent on that busy hospital.

Strategic decisions made at authority level may conflict with those of the Department, and although the Minister may not have all the answers yet – we may only know when the authority is set up – I would like that clarified. To quote the Adelaide Hospital Society on Tallaght Hospital:

To lose its funding for the provision of services, save in the functional area of the authority, will impact on [Tallaght Hospital's] ability to fulfil its functions under the charter. The provisions of section 8(4), although stating that nothing in the Bill should prejudice the performance by the new hospital in Tallaght of its functions under its charter, do not achieve that protection, because they do away with the funding arrangements necessary to ensure the hospital functions.

One cannot do something unless one has the money to do it. There is a certain irony in mentioning Tallaght Hospital since it is in the throes of a crisis which arises directly from the failure of the Department of Health and Children to provide sufficient funding.

Read the report.

There is anxiety that this will create further difficulties at a time when stability and a sound foundation is required.

I also ask the Minister about public representatives. The principles lay down that they shall form a majority on all the boards – that is fine, it is democratic accountability – but the method whereby the public will be represented by those individuals is so labyrinthine is hard to see how the public will be able to make the connection. The representative will be elected to a local authority, which has nothing to do with the health board, that person will subsequently be selected for the regional authority, which in turn will direct her or him back to the area board, which is similar to what happens at present. I regret bitterly that the Minister did not take the opportunity to develop an initiative for our health boards, which is so badly needed. He could maintain the democratic accountability by having a majority of public representatives on the board but he should consider changing how we elect these people.

The best way forward is direct election – let the people decide who they want on their area health board, because it would bring into the system people who have no interest in standing for local authorities. We need new blood, even considering the average age of local authority members, although the scrappage scheme is dealing with that. We need to bring into local government people who have a sense of civic duty but are alienated from the current structure. Many people working in health care on a voluntary basis could stand for election if they felt they were seeking election to an area health board in order to contribute to and represent people in their area.

I will put forward amendments and, although the Minister may have to consult the Minister for the Environment and Local Government, I cannot imagine this creates much difficulty. Such long distance democracy as is proposed in this Bill means nothing to a public which is already fed up with bureaucracy. It has neither connection to them nor meaning for them, and we need to deal with that, not disregard it and follow what the last Minister did because we do not want to get in trouble with councillors.

We know what can go wrong on health boards and local authorities. We know there can be a gravy train – we have all seen it. If we are to ensure the presence on health boards of people who are dedicated to the task of representing the public, I suggest a clear, direct mechanism – let people vote for the person who ends up on the board, and let no one get in between.

The question of representation is problematic – if everyone is represented on a board one will never find a room big enough for all of them. However, under Partnership 2000, some 9,000 staff members are entitled to representation in some form.

How many people attend Partnership 2000 discussions?

I am asking the Minister the questions.

Not as many as will be on the authority.

Deputy McManus without interruption.

If I had time I would quote the Minister's strategy, which refers to Partnership 2000 and has many nice things to say about including staff.

We in Fianna Fáil are the authors of partnership.

That does not bother me.

Thanks for coming on board.

Minister, please allow Deputy McManus to continue without interruption.

If the Minister is looking for affirmation, I have no problem giving it when he does something worthwhile.

He is feeling a bit bruised.

People are always talking about a lack of interaction – I am just interacting.

It is not appropriate to interact now.

I know the male ego is a delicate thing and requires constant affirmation—

His feelings are showing.

—and I will provide it to the Minister, at least for the next half a minute. After that, he is on his own. There are commitments under Partnership 2000 – which may well be the brainchild of Fianna Fáil but that is immaterial – and commitments are made to be kept. Perhaps because he is in Fianna Fáil the Minister does not take these things too seriously.

We were getting on so well.

I ask the Minister not to divert my train of thought.

We would not want the Deputy to be bamboozled.

It is important to look at the structure. On one side, critics say it is just a bureaucratic cat's cradle which will soak up money and not improve the health services. Others, like myself, believe in devolution of power and think this kind of change, if done properly, can create a dynamic and make things work in a way they have not up to now. However, we should not overstate what is possible or disregard the difficulties and flaws in our health boards. Many matters will not be touched by these structural changes, whether they are to do with good management, training – not just of staff but of board members if necessary – accountability, and trust. Mr. Seán Conroy has written an interesting article, and he should know about these issues because he is a health board official:

All boards at various times recognise they are experiencing problems and most make efforts at corrective action. This action is usually no more than symptom control. Boards get more involved in organisation, multiple committees, endless meetings, agendas packed with operational matters, or [get less involved]: "Let the chief executive do the job"; "Tell us what you want approved". Boards or board chairman elbow the chief executive officer out of the way and assume day to day management, or else retreat into embarrassed impotence: "We're only volunteers". Boards decide their role is communicating staff and boosting morale, or else seclude themselves in the minutiae of long-range planning. Boards become inquisitors of their chief executive officers, or high profile fan clubs for their chief executive officers. The same board at different junctures can adopt any of the above stances, usually as a reaction to a perceived problem of the moment, and it is difficult to lead reactively. We cannot afford to continue to sentence well-meaning people to penal servitude on dysfunctional boards, or to sentence organisations to governance without leadership. We can liberate boards to create the energy and vision we know to be probable when groups of individuals act with synergy. Society has long known of the moral power of such activity; we have a jury system in our courts to prove it.

It is important that we get this right. I hope the Minister will have an open mind on amendments because the Bill is not complete yet. There are dangers – the health services are sick, particularly the structures in the eastern region – but when we administer medicine we should make sure we make the patient better rather than worse. My original point about the executive has not been addressed politically there has not been any discussion: I may be wrong, but my anecdotal experience is that no health board is aware there will be an executive made up of chief executive officers, reporting directly to the Minister. I wonder whether, politically, that is a wise, good, and democratic thing to do.

I welcome this Bill. I am not a member of a health board, but, like most Deputies and councillors, I have a good deal of interaction with various aspects of the Eastern Health Board's activities. It is responsible for a vast range of health and social services. The range of services outlined in its most recent annual report is staggering. I compliment its staff and executives on their work. Their task is almost beyond the capacity of the board to deliver.

The Eastern Health Board is responsible for a population that is six times greater than the population of approximately 205,000 covered by the Midland Health Board. There are two community care areas in my constituency and either of them would cover a greater population than many of the other health boards. That in itself is a reason for introducing reform at this stage. While only three hospitals in its area report directly to the Eastern Health Board, it is a matter of concern that the other hospitals in that area do not. Under this Bill the new authority will take over responsibility for funding all services in the region to facilitate integrated planning of services and better integration and co-ordination of service delivery.

This Bill is evidence of the Government's continued commitment to the health sector. There are problems, but an 11 per cent increase in the day-to-day funding of that sector in 1999 was secured by the Minister, Deputy Cowen. A special package totalling £45 million was set aside in the budget to cover services for the mentally handicapped, older people and hospital waiting lists. I cannot let this occasion pass without thanking the Minister who today informed me that he has made a capital grant of £680,000 available for the provision of a long awaited day care centre in the Finglas area. I compliment the local committee who have campaigned for this centre over many years. This is the first time a Minister for Health has given tangible commitment to a project that will cater for the older population in the Finglas area. It should be up and running by this time next year. It will compliment the go ahead given by the Minister for the staffing of St. Clare's Nursing Home in my constituency, which will bring it up to the highest standard. My constituency has a significantly higher older population than many other constituencies.

A total of £8 million, which is additional to the £12 million already allocated, has been set aside for the waiting list initiative. I know the Minister is committed to meeting the needs of the mental health sector. He has secured £12 million, which is additional to the £6 million that has been provided for this sector. An additional £2 million will be allocated to accident and emergency services. Those increases in allocations are illustrative of the extent of the Government's commitment to the health services.

I wish to focus on the deficiencies in the Eastern Health Board's delivery of services. The ability of the health board to deliver services to those affected by substance abuse, particularly drug abuse, has not been well handled for a reason that has not been well explained. That view is shared by many of my Dublin colleagues. The Eastern Health Board seems to have an amazing capacity to antagonise local communities when it attempts to establish treatment centres in communities and it displays an inability to bring people along with it. However, it has done some work extremely well and I compliment it on that. Domville House in Ballymun is a case in point where there has been extensive and ongoing consultation with the local community. The facility has been so successful that with the help of the local community and the local drugs task force it is possible to extend the service provided there, but that is the exception to the rule. At the other end of my constituency where there are up to 600 identified heroin abusers, all that can be provided are 50 places in a methadone maintenance facility and ten places in a satellite of that centre. That provision reflects badly on us all and on the health board's inability to explain the seriousness of this problem. It also raises questions about the commitment of communities to grasp the nettle in dealing with this problem.

I sit on a monitoring committee of one of the drug treatment centres on which the gard, the health services, Dublin Corporation and the local community are represented. Where there is trust it works, but that is not always the case. We have been looking for a site in Finglas to set up a major treatment centre, but we have not had any success. The health board has not taken up the opportunities provided quickly enough. There are lessons to be learned by the new authority about the delivery of services. Given there will be community representation on area health boards, it is possible and practical to expect a speedier and more responsive delivery of health services.

We need to expedite the provision of services for older people. There are not enough day care centres or nursing home places, but I compliment the health board on developing community care services. It has become extremely good at providing community care teams who are available almost seven days a week and 24 hours a day to assist families and patients in their homes.

The medical card application process is of major concern to many people. I compliment the Minister, Deputy Cowen, on introducing in the budget a vastly improved scheme of eligibility for those over 70. If the response of many of the constituents visiting my clinic is anything to go by, it appears this improved scheme is greatly appreciated. A great deal of bureaucracy surrounds the medical card application process. One usually applies to the community care headquarters and sometimes the application is sent to the local health centre requesting additional information. The form is returned to the community care headquarters and sent to Dr. Steeven's Hospital and it is then passed back down the line again. The process is incredibly convoluted.

There is also a delay in processing the application if the form is not fully completed or additional information is required. From my experience of dealing with such applications, more often than not the application is lost somewhere along the line, but that is not surprising given the chain of command through which it is dealt. The process needs to be streamlined. I would like a medical card appeals system introduced along the lines of the social welfare appeals system. The Minister has spoken about this. As long as there is a devolved system for dealing with medical card applications, it will be difficult to introduce a centralised appeals system, but the introduction of an appeals system needs to be examined.

I compliment the Eastern Health Board on its community development work. I have been closely associated with two excellent projects, one in St. Helena's in Finglas. It provides great support to families with young children, speech therapy and a range of other services. Geraldstown House in Ballymun is another example of a good project. That project has involved close contact with the local community and close co-operation with the healthy city project in Ballymun. It is one of the jewels in the crown of the services provided by the health board and I compliment it on that.

Debate adjourned.
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