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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 28 Apr 1999

Vol. 503 No. 7

Radiological Protection Bill, 1998 [ Seanad ] : Second Stage.

I move: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

This Bill is comparatively short and is of a technical nature. It provides for amendments to certain sections of the Radiological Protection Acts, 1991 and 1995, specifically those sections relating to the regulatory and licensing role of the Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland. I wish to refer to the functions of the Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland. As Deputies will be aware, representatives of the institute recently appeared before the Joint Committee on Public Enterprise and Transport, and this would have been informative about the institute's activities.

The institute was established in April 1992 under the Radiological Protection Act, 1991, and replaced the Nuclear Energy Board. The main functions of the institute are enshrined in the provisions of the 1991 Act and include providing advice to the Government and the Minister for Public Enterprise and other Government Ministers on matters relating to radiological safety; monitoring developments abroad relating to nuclear installations and radiological safety; monitoring, measuring and assessing radioactivity contamination of the environment including the seas around Ireland; controlling, by way of licence, the custody, use, manufacture, transportation, distribution, exportation and disposal of radioactive substances, irradiating apparatus and other sources of ionising radiation; informing the Irish public on any matters relating to radiological safety and supporting the development and implementation of national plans for nuclear and radiological emergencies.

The institute is responsible for licensing all activities in the State involving ionising radiation. This includes hospitals, dental practices, veterinary surgeons, laboratory instruments, industrial operations, distribution of irradiating equipment, industrial radiography and research laboratories. There are over 1,000 licensees at present. Many of these licensed activities are carried on efficiently, but if not operated to high standards of radiological protection they are potentially hazardous to workers, patients under medical and dental care, and members of the public. The institute has a key role as regulator in ensuring that acceptable standards of practice are maintained.

The amendments proposed in the Bill concern the regulatory activities of the institute currently enshrined in the Radiological Protection Act, 1991. In essence, the Bill makes provision for the strengthening of the licensing powers of the institute relating to the use of X-ray equipment by practitioners and the elaboration of powers to fix licence fees. It also creates new offences to enhance the institute's regulatory role drawing upon the institute's experience since the 1991 Act was enacted.

Section 2 provides for amendments to section 30 of the 1991 Act. Section 30 of the 1991 Act is the main legislative basis for the institute's regulatory functions and essentially provides for the institute to regulate, by licence, the custody, control and use of radioactive substances, nuclear devices or irradiating apparatus. The first main provision in Section 2 of the Bill relates to the institute's power to licence persons for the use of X-ray equipment. Under section 30 of the 1991 Act, the institute is empowered to licence persons for the custody and use of X-ray equipment. However, neither the 1991 Act nor the 1993 order made under it empowers the institute to satisfy itself as to the competence of the licensee to use such equipment. In fact, section 7(2) of the 1991 Act, which was amended by section 26 of the Energy (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act, 1995, restricts the institute's role to the supervision and care of the X-ray equipment and to ensuring that the equipment is properly calibrated and maintained. The institute has, in its more recent annual reports, highlighted this narrow focus as a potential cause of concern, particularly in relation to the regulation of chiropractors.

The European Communities (Medical Ionising Radiation) Regulations of 1988, which are enforced by the Minister for Health and Children, set out the requirements relating to the competency of persons engaged in the use of X-ray equipment for medical and dental purposes. In summary, articles 5 and 6 of the 1988 regulations provide that a person cannot carry out a medical or dental treatment involving ionising radiation unless he or she is a doctor or other practitioner or a dentist deemed by the Medical Council or the Dental Council, as the case may be, to have the required competence in terms of radiation protection and radiation techniques. However, chiropractors, unlike doctors or dentists, are not recognised by the Medical Council. At present, an anomalous legislative situation exists whereby the institute can licence a chiropractor for the custody and use of X-ray equipment despite the fact that under the separate 1988 regulations mentioned above, the chiropractor is not entitled to use the equipment as he or she is not recognised by the Medical Council.

Section 2(b) of the Bill will rectify this anomaly. It will amend the 1991 Act to provide that the institute cannot grant a licence for the use of X-ray apparatus, unless the institute is satisfied that the person meets the requirements of articles 5 and 6 of the 1988 regulations. The amendment will also empower the institute to revoke an existing licence where the licensee does not meet the same requirements. It will be the responsibility of the Minister for Health and Children to ensure that the users of such substances, devices or apparatus for these purposes meet the requirements of the 1988 regulations.

The second main amendment in section 2 of the Bill relates to the prescription of licence fees. All of these fee fixing changes will be important to the new regulatory powers of the institute under a EURATOM directive which I will refer to later. The proposed amendment in sections 2(d) and 2(e) of the Bill will elaborate on the existing fee fixing powers relating to licences issued by the institute. It is designed to confer maximum flexibility on the Minister so that the institute's licensing administration costs will be recovered in a fair and equitable manner. For example, the institute will be empowered to retain fees or a proportion of fees paid to it in respect of the licensing process in circumstances where the licence applicant does not ultimately qualify for a licence.

Section 3 amends section 40(1) of the 1991 Act by the addition of a provision which will make it an offence for a person knowingly or recklessly to make a false statement when applying for a licence under section 30 of that Act. It also makes it an offence for a person not to comply with a condition of a licence pursuant to section 30.

Section 4 amends section 41 of the 1991 Act as amended by section 65 of the Food Safety Authority of Ireland Act, 1998. The amendments are merely technical amendments to clarify the summary prosecution powers of those relevant Ministers, the institute and the Food Safety Authority of Ireland identified in section 41 of the 1991 Act, as amended, in respect of offences created under section 3 of the Bill.

Council Directive 96/29 of EURATOM which was adopted on 13 May 1996, lays down basic safety standards for the protection of the health of workers and the general public against dangers arising from ionising radiation. This directive replaces a previous basic safety standards directive and applies to all practices involving ionising radiation sources. As far as Ireland is concerned, the directive would apply, for example, to hospitals, dental practices, veterinary practices and universities where radiation is used. It will also apply to any industrial activities where radioactive sources would be involved. The directive, unlike previous directives, will cover work activities involving workplace exposure to natural radiation such as radon and cosmic radiation in the case or air crew. The directive lays down a number of obligations for which member states must legislate. These include: the identification of work activities; the introduction of radiation protection measures to monitor, control or reduce exposures to natural sources of radiation; the introduction of radiation protection principles for intervention in cases of radiological emergencies or lasting exposures and; the need to have emergency planning to cover radiological emergencies and accidents. A number of the requirements of the directive are already provided in existing national legislation.

This is an important directive which will profoundly influence radiological protection in member states for a considerable time. It represents a significant step forward in radiation protection. Member states are required to transpose the directive into national legislation not later than 13 May 2000. To meet this deadline my Department has, in the past week, finalised a consultation paper which incorporates a draft order setting out how my Department, in consultation with the Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland, intends to implement the directive. The objective of the consultation paper, which is available to all interested parties, will be to draw upon a wide spectrum of opinion and expertise within the country before finalising the implementing of legislative proposals. For the information of Deputies, copies of the consultation paper have been placed in the Dáil Library. It is my intention that the directive will be enshrined in Irish law by an order made under section 30 of the 1991 Act.

Sellafield has been a source of grave concern to successive Governments and to the Irish. The main factors driving the Government's opposition to Sellafield operations is the risk, however remote, of a catastrophic accident, the continued operation of the magnox reactors beyond their design life, the continued reprocessing of spent nuclear fuel, the complexity of operations of the Sellafield site, the storage of high level radioactive waste in liquid form on site and the impact of radioactive discharges into the Irish Sea.

Since assuming responsibility for nuclear safety and radiological protection, I have been in frequent contact with the relevant UK Ministers about Sellafield matters. In November 1997, I had my first formal meeting in Dublin with Mr. Michael Meacher, the UK Minister for the Environment, at which I raised the whole range of nuclear safety issues of concern to Ireland. Since then I have been in contact with Mr. Meacher on a number of occasions. I had a further meeting with him in London in February of this year. At the meeting in February I focused on our concerns about the UK Environment Agency's proposed decisions, announced last October, for a variation in BNFL's current radioactive discharges authorisation limit in respect of the Sellafield plant and for the approval of the MOX fuel fabrication plant at Sellafield.

I met Mr. Meacher because the Environment Agency had referred the proposed decisions to UK Ministers for consideration. At the meeting I followed up on previous written submissions on both matters. As to the Sellafield discharge authorisations, my Department's previous views had set out Ireland's concerns about radioactive discharges into the Irish Sea – particularly discharges of the long life radionuclide technetium-99 which have grown significantly since 1994 – and called for the cessation of such discharges. Similarly, my Department's written submissions to the UK Environment Agency had set out our concerns and opposition to the proposed MOX plant.

I had been surprised and disappointed at the UK Environment Agency's draft discharge authorisations, especially given the positive commitments regarding radioactive discharges to the marine environment which emerged from the OSPAR ministerial meeting the previous July in Portugal. At that meeting, a strategy on radioactive discharges was adopted which committed all OSPAR Ministers, including the UK Ministers, to the virtual elimination of such discharges into the sea by the year 2020. In addition, UK Ministers at the same meeting promised to take account of concerns raised by Ireland and other countries about technetium-99 discharges into the Irish Sea.

The agency's proposed decision, while it involved a reduction in the permitted levels of technetium-99 discharges, is totally unacceptable to the Irish Government as the proposed technetium reductions are completely inadequate. I regard the proposed decision as, effectively, a breach of the undertaking entered into by the UK Ministers at the OSPAR ministerial meeting. I reminded Mr. Meacher of the need to honour these commitments speedily. Mr. Meacher informed me that he was fully aware of the strong concerns in Ireland and in the Scandinavian countries about technetium-99 discharge levels and that he would reflect fully on the matter before a final decision was made.

In the course of my discussion with Mr. Meacher, there was a reference to the meeting of the OSPAR radioactive substances group held in Dublin in January. On the agenda of that meeting was the strategy on radioactive substances adopted last July by the OSPAR Ministers.

When I officially opened the Dublin meeting I emphasised the necessity of meeting the objectives of the strategy within the timeframe laid down and in a way which addresses legitimate concerns about the impact of such discharges on sea-based livelihoods and the enjoyment of the amenities of the Irish Sea. The upshot of the Dublin meeting was that the relevant contracting parties are to submit reports to the OSPAR secretariat by mid-September next, setting out how they intend to meet the objectives of the strategy and their timeframe. These reports will then be examined and discussed by a small group made up of a number of contracting parties with a view to submitting proposals to the next meeting of the OSPAR radioactive substances group in January 2000. Ireland is participating in this small select group and will use this opportunity to ensure that the proposals put forward by the contracting parties will be aimed at achieving the strategy objectives. A key OSPAR milestone will be the meeting of the Commission in mid-2000 when the implementation strategy will be discussed. I hope that early reductions in Sellafield discharges will form part of those discussions.

I also drew Mr. Meacher's attention to the Irish Government's total opposition to the UK Environment Agency's draft decision to give the go-ahead to the MOX plant. I requested that Ireland's concerns about this project, set out in two earlier separate submissions to the Environment Agency, should be given careful consideration by UK Ministers. Mr. Meacher assured me that Ireland's views would be borne in mind in the decision making process.

I have also been in contact with the UK Minister of State for Science and Technology, Mr. John Battle, specifically concerning the high level liquid waste storage arrangements at Sellafield. We are concerned about the storage of such waste in liquid form and I am anxious to see an acceleration by BNFL of its waste vitrification process, whereby this waste would be converted to glass. I want ot see the backlog of waste being vitrified much earlier than the target date of 2015 set by BNFL.

Mr. Battle has assured me of the safety aspects of the existing waste storage arrangements and of the UK's intention to vitrify the waste as soon as practicable. Vitrification is the optimum approach to such waste. However, I consider the target date of 2015 to clear the waste backlog to be too far in the future.

I have asked Mr. Battle to urge BNFL to release to the Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland relevant technical information on the waste storage arrangements to enable the institute to form its own judgment as to the risks involved. The institute will meet BNFL at Sellafield this week to discuss the matter further. Irrespective of the outcome of such contacts, I remain adamant that the vitrification process should be accelerated. I will return to the matter again when Mr. Battle meets me in Dublin on 21 May.

In addition to my direct contact with my UK ministerial counterparts, there is ongoing contact between officials of my Department and the institute and their UK counterparts and also formal contact through the Ireland-UK contact group. This group comprises officials of my Department and the institute and officials of relevant UK Departments and meets twice a year to discuss radioactivity and nuclear matters. Meetings of the group provide further opportunities for pursuing Ireland's concerns about Sellafield and related matters.

Ireland's concerns about Sellafield and the UK nuclear industry are raised at every opportunity in EU and international fora, including meetings of the International Atomic Energy Agency, the Nuclear Energy Agency of the OECD and meetings held under the umbrella of the Oslo-Paris Convention on marine pollution.

Apart from the more recent positive development which emerged from the OSPAR ministerial meeting last July in regard to radioactive discharges, there have been other positive developments on the international front on nuclear safety generally. The convention on nuclear safety, which came into force in 1996, is aimed at ensuring land-based civil nuclear installations are safe and well regulated and at promoting a high level of nuclear safety worldwide.

The convention provides for a peer review process which enables contracting parties to assess country reports on how contracting parties are complying with the convention. In the view of the Irish delegation, the first peer review meeting, which was held within the past two weeks at the headquarters of the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna, proved successful and was conducted in a good atmosphere. It appeared that many countries had responded to the built-in encouragement of the exchange of information and the self-assessment principles of the convention and there was evidence that some had examined their regulatory framework to ensure it was in line with the convention's provisions. There was also a demonstration of greater recourse to external independent assessments of nuclear plant operators.

In the words of the summary report of the proceedings, the discussions were "open and constructive". There was a reasonable opportunity to discuss national reports submitted by countries party to the convention. In Ireland's case, the opportunity was taken to raise concerns on issues relating to the UK report. Not surprisingly, the issues discussed included the ageing Magnox reactors and the regulatory policies of the UK authorities.

The nuclear safety convention will enhance nuclear safety worldwide and represents the type of significant international commitment needed to ensure the highest standards of safety which Ireland and other non-nuclear states have been endeavouring to establish for many years.

Various research studies have concluded that radon gas may be a contributory factor in increasing the risk of lung cancer in the home. In 1992, the Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland initiated a national survey to measure radon concentrations in domestic dwellings. This has been completed in respect of 24 counties and the results have been published. The results for the remaining two counties, Galway and Mayo, are being analysed and will be published shortly. Of the almost 12,000 houses measured to date, some 1,100 have been identified as having radon measurements in excess of the national reference level of 200 becquerels per cubic metre. This is a level above which the institute would recommend that radon remediation works be undertaken by the householder. When the survey is completed the institute intends producing a map showing the areas most affected by radon.

The Government is making every effort to address the problem of high radon concentrations in dwellings. The Department of the Environment and Local Government published revised technical guidance documents relating to the building regulations incorporating explicit requirements for radon preventive measures in the construction of new dwellings from 1 July 1998. More elaborate radon protection measures are specified for new houses in the high radon areas identified in the institute's survey. At the request of the Minister for Education and Science, the institute has recently initiated a comprehensive nationwide radon measurement survey of schools to ensure any problems with radon are identified. The EU basic safety standards directive includes specific provisions relating to exposure to natural radiation sources and, in this context, the exposure of workers and members of the public to radon in the workplace is specifically addressed.

The Government is firmly committed to its policy of nuclear safety and radiological protection and to its campaign against Sellafield. Last year it established the ministerial committee on nuclear safety. The committee, which I chair, comprises the Ministers of State at the Departments of the Marine and Natural Resources, Foreign Affairs, Health and Children, and the Environment and Local Government. The office of the Attorney General, the Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland and officials of the Departments mentioned are also on the committee. The objective of the committee, whose terms of reference are broad and encompass nuclear and radiological safety issues and the campaign against Sellafield, is to co-ordinate nuclear safety policy; complement the work of the Departments and agencies involved in developing and implementing radiological protection policy, and give added impetus to the Government's efforts in the area of nuclear safety and radiation protection. The committee has met on five occasions since its establishment.

The national emergency plan for nuclear accidents is designed to provide a rapid and effective response to accidents involving the release, or potential release, of radioactive substances into the environment which could give rise to radiation exposure. The plan outlines the measures to assess and mitigate the effects of nuclear accidents which occur in the United Kingdom or elsewhere and which might pose a radiological hazard to Ireland. As Minister of State with responsibility for nuclear safety matters, I am responsible for the plan and for ensuring the co-ordination of the respective responsibilities and functions of relevant Departments, the Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland and local authorities. Following a simulated nuclear emergency exercise in November 1996, in which Ireland participated, a fundamental review of the plan was undertaken by my Department and the institute in consultation with other relevant Departments.

Arising from the review, a number of procedural and practical improvements were identified and these have now been approved by the Government. They include the establishment of a committee of Ministers from appropriate Departments which would give policy direction on recommended counter measures, as necessary; the reinforcement of the co-ordinating role of the existing emergency response co-ordination committee which comprises representatives from key Departments and agencies; the establishment of a consultative committee comprising senior officials of relevant Departments and agencies to exchange views on the plan, including its organisation and testing, and to make decisions on necessary actions relevant to their respective areas; an upgrading of the accommodation, communications equipment and public information ser vices within the Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland.

The new arrangements also provide for the exploration of the possibilities for North-South co-operation in the context of an accident or emergency affecting, or potentially affecting, the island as a whole. It is my intention to organise a test of the new emergency arrangements later this year or early next year and to publish the updated plan.

On the County Louth residents' legal action against British Nuclear Fuels, as the House is aware, the Government approved an offer of financial assistance of £350,000 to the residents towards the cost of research work to be undertaken by them. This offer was made despite the fact that the State is a co-defendant in the residents' action. A number of payments have been made to the residents on foot of this offer. The Government also approved in December 1997 a package of assistance relating to defined areas of work by the residents' legal team in assessing research work. This package was outlined by me to the residents that same month. However, the residents have yet to confirm that they are in a position to accept this offer.

I emphasise that, despite the fact that the State remains a co-defendant in this case, the Government has, at all times, endeavoured to be as helpful and co-operative as possible to the residents. The commitment of not insignificant resources by the Government is indicative of its willingness in this regard.

The Government will keep under review the question of taking legal action against BNFL in respect of the risk to Ireland from Sellafield. However, litigation against Sellafield raises many complex technical and legal issues. The Government will continue to draw on the best scientific and legal advice before deciding on litigation of such a challenging nature.

I have endeavoured to paint a picture of the Government's efforts to promote nuclear safety and radiological protection and the actions being taken by the Government to protect citizens from the environmental hazards of nuclear power activities in the UK and elsewhere. Over the past ten years or so, the tide of public opinion in Europe has moved against nuclear power. Ireland, through successive Governments, has played a consistent role in this process and, as far as this Government is concerned, will continue to play a leading role in highlighting the risks associated with the nuclear energy industry and ancillary activities. I commend the Bill to the House.

Deputy Stagg has another important commitment this morning so with your agreement, a Cheann Comhairle, I will allow him to speak first as long as he leaves me something to say.

I thank Deputy Currie for allowing me to speak first. I am sure he will have plenty to say when I am finished. I welcome the Mini ster's wide-ranging and interesting speech, most of which had nothing to do with the Bill. He felt required to speak for the allotted time and took the opportunity to put his wares on display, with which I have no difficulty.

What we are dealing with looks like an innocent little Bill, simply putting our house in order as it were. It transposes into primary legislation an order made under European regulations in 1988 by Deputy O'Hanlon. The Minister is, however, reaching for the nuclear button – I do not use that term as a pun – to wipe out the profession of chiropractice in Ireland because that will be the effect of this Bill. There has been a long-standing problem which I appreciate and examined in some detail in my former existence but without reaching a resolution. I was not in a position to reach a resolution because it lay with the Department of Health and Children. The problem arose from the fact that this profession is not recognised by the Department of Health and Children and is not regulated by it. That is as a direct result of the medical lobby preventing and ensuring this profession is not so recognised. The Minister has gone for a wipe-out to ensure these people cannot practise.

We had the anomalous situation, which the Minister described, of the Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland being empowered to grant licences to these people to have radioactive material in their possession, but since the Medical Council would not give them the other licence or recognition required, they could not legally use it. They will not now be entitled to have this material or to use it which means they cannot operate.

The Bill empowers the institute to withdraw licences from the chiropractor's association members to prevent them continuing in their profession. I am convinced that this has arisen, uniquely in Ireland, as a result of opposition from the medical lobby and the Medical Council. There are 54 highly qualified chiropractors in Ireland and 15 people are studying a five year course in Britain, which is recognised and organised by universities. There are 50,000 qualified and recognised chiropractors in the United States where the profession has been recognised since 1890.

The Chiropractic Association of Ireland is anxious to be officially regulated. It is prepared to self-regulate, which it does at present without recognition. It is prepared to submit its educational, indemnity and professional standards to the Department of Health and Children so it can be regulated. Since 1988 the Department of Health and Children has not bothered to do this and has said there are more pressing matters to which it needs to attend.

If this Bill is passed chiropractors cannot operate. These are professional people who will not get involved in manipulation until they have the benefit of knowing the condition of the patient. They will want to know if bones have been damaged by disease or if they have been dislocated and there is only one way to find out, that is, with an X-ray. Because the group is not recognised by the Medical Council, it cannot refer its patients in the ordinary way for an X-ray as does a doctor because they will not be accepted. I received correspondence to that effect, and I am sure the Minister is also aware of that.

If I present myself to a chiropractor with a pain in my neck and if he attempts to manipulate my neck without the benefit of an X-ray, he could easily kill me so he cannot carry out those practices. If I have rheumatoid arthritis in my knee and he cannot establish that by means of an X-ray, he may do serious damage if he carries out those practices. Chiropractors will have to stop operating in Ireland if this Bill is passed. These people are not quacks, spinologists or bone setters. They are recognised professionally in 80 countries, including the United States and Britain where there are specialist five year courses in universities enabling them to qualify. The 15 Irish people studying at various stages of the five year course in Britain will not be able to work in Ireland when they qualify if this Bill is passed.

When the Bill passes Second Stage, which I will not oppose, will the Minster go to the Department of Health and Children with the clear offer from the Chiropractic Association of Ireland that it wishes to be regulated by it? It will present the Department with the required criteria to do so and then only people within the grading set up will be entitled to put up a brass plate for this profession. It would also prevent people who do not have the qualification putting up brass plates because it would be illegal for them to so do. The Bill merely tackles this issue with the nuclear button option. People have a right to choose the form of medical treatment they want. I am sure the Minister would agree with that. It would be wrong of us to implement a Bill which would wipe out a choice of treatment which is well recognised; we are not talking about quacks here.

The Minister referred to radon gas in his speech although it does not relate directly to this Bill. The dangers of radon gas are now well understood and the scale of those dangers has been established. Slightly less than 10 per cent of the houses tested have been found to be over the safe limit. The previous Government introduced a scheme of grants for remedial works in houses. The current Minister of State promised to pursue that but he did not refer to it in his speech today. I urge him to put it back on his agenda now that he has results for all counties, with the exception of Mayo and Galway, in order to assist people to eliminate radon gas from their houses.

As Members will be aware, between 200 and 300 people die annually as a direct result of radon gas levels in their homes. That is a frightening figure but it is something we could easily remedy. The amount of money it costs to run a hospital for a few days would be sufficient to eliminate the danger of radon gas and prevent some people dying from lung cancer.

I thank Deputy Currie for allowing me to speak and I urge the Minister to consider finishing Second Stage of the Bill and to then ask the Department of Health and Children to put its house in order to allow chiropractors to continue operating in Ireland.

I thank the Minister of State and Deputy Stagg for their co-operation in taking the Bill this morning. I welcome the Bill which makes provision for the strengthening of the licensing powers of the Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland in relation to the use of X-ray equipment by practitioners, the elaboration of powers to fix licence fees and the creation of new offences to enhance the institution's regulatory role.

Under section 30 of the 1991 Act, the institute is empowered to licence persons for the custody and use of X-ray equipment. However, as the Minister has pointed out, the institute was not given the power to satisfy itself as to the competence of the licensee to use such equipment. This was clearly inadequate and section 2(b) of this Bill seeks to remedy that by providing that the institute cannot grant a licence for the use of X-ray apparatus unless it is satisfied that the applicant satisfies competency requirements. This makes sense as far as it goes.

The Minister has informed us, as he informed Members of the Seanad, that the Bill is comparatively short and of a technical nature. That does not mean it is unimportant. It is important to those of us who have been and will be exposed to X-ray equipment and its operators in the medical and dental professions and to other practitioners. However, the Bill is also important to a group to which the Minister referred briefly and about which Deputy Stagg has spoken, namely, chiropractors. Before this matter was drawn to my attention I knew very little about chiropractics. I note the issue did not arise in the Seanad.

Chiropractics began as a separate profession in the United States in the 1890s and there are now more than 50,000 chiropractors in the US alone. The profession is recognised in approximately 80 countries. More than 80 per cent of the patients who attend chiropractors suffer from back or neck pain, headache or pain to shoulders, arms or legs. Management includes manual treatments, physical therapy modalities, exercise programmes, patient education and lifestyle modification. Emphasis is placed on joint manipulation; this is referred to as joint adjustment. Emphasis is also placed on health promotion and an early return to activities for injured patients. Chiropractors do not use drugs or surgery and refer people for medical care when such interventions are necessary.

There are 15 chiropractic colleges in the United States, one in Canada, two in South Africa, two in Australia, two in the UK and one each in France and Denmark. Courses vary in length from four and a half to five years for undergraduate training. The European Chiropractors' Union requires all graduates to complete one year's clinic training before going into practice independently. We are not talking about a group of quacks or people who can be easily dismissed.

The Chiropractic Association of Ireland – CAI – was established in 1985 by a small group of qualified chiropractors. It is the only association representing chiropractors in Ireland today; there are no competing organisations as in so many other professions. The CAI is affiliated to the ECU and the World Federation of Chiropractors. It ensures that all its members have attained a minimum education to satisfy European Council for Chiropractic Education criteria for membership. It also ensures all members are indemnified for malpractice and adhere to practice guidelines and a code of ethics.

The CAI has a disciplinary committee and an X-ray standards committee and ensures that its members adhere to ongoing ECU education requirements. The CAI represents the majority of chiropractors in Ireland with 54 members, each of whom has an average of 2,000 patients. Thirteen Irish students are currently at various stages of the five year training programme in the UK. Approximately ten people in Ireland who use the title of chiropractor have no qualification. We must take that into consideration.

If this legislation goes through the House unamended, it could lead to the closing down of chiropractic clinics throughout Ireland. It is important to note that the Bill provides for the revocation of existing licences. If this legislation is passed and the RPII chooses to implement it to the letter, it will have the effect of removing all direct access by chiropractors to X-ray facilities, thereby reducing their ability to diagnose and treat their patients and, ultimately, threatening their livelihood.

This is not just a simple little Bill. Before passing it, we must be absolutely certain on what our determination is based and who will gain from it. I agree that the Departments of Public Enterprise and Health and Children and the RPII should work towards the implementation of minimum qualification standards for practitioners who use X-ray equipment. It would be irresponsible to do otherwise. There is an onus on the Minister – I recognise the responsibility of the Department of Health and Children in the matter – to provide a full explanation of what is being proposed and why. Why, for example, can we not allow the RPII to issue licences for X-ray equipment to those practitioners who meet certain minimum standards of training and who subject themselves to an agreed inspection regime? This is what the RPII would like. I hope that between now and Committee Stage the Minister will give careful consideration to this point in consultation with the Department of Health and Children, the RPII and the Chiropractic Association of Ireland. As in all matters, it is better if we can proceed with agreement.

The Joint Committee on Public Enterprise and Transport, of which I and Deputy Stagg are members, can be given an additional function in this context. Why not create an opportunity for both sides of the argument to put their positions before the committee? I will be urging the committee to take such a course of action and will suggest to it that it discuss the matter and its implications. I hope in doing so I will have the support of other members of the committee, one of whom is currently in the House on the Government benches.

The Minister raised a number of other matters which do not directly pertain to this Bill but which are nevertheless important. I pay tribute to the RPII. Through the work of the committee to which I referred I had an opportunity two weeks ago of making an assessment of the institute and was impressed by what I heard.

The Minister referred to radon gas, an issue discussed by the committee two weeks ago. It is estimated that between 60 and 70 per cent of the annual average exposure to radiation comes from radon through the air we breathe. This is a startling statistic. Exposure to high levels of radon over a long period can lead to an increased risk of contracting lung cancer. According to the RPII, and applying risk factors to the average indoor radon concentration in Ireland, approximately 10 per cent of lung cancer deaths annually may be due to radon exposure. Are we doing enough to remedy the danger of radon in homes, schools, the workplace and on farms in view of that frightening statistic? I do not think we are.

The Minister took the opportunity to make comments about Sellafield. As far as I have noted, the Minister is not a very emotional person in public life and is not prone to histrionics or startling statements. He comes across as somebody who would look at things in a sensible and moderate manner. It is in this context that I quote the following excerpt from his speech:

The agency's proposed decision, while it involves a reduction in the permitted levels of Technetium-99 discharges, is totally unacceptable to the Irish Government as the proposed Technetium reductions are completely inadequate. Indeed, I regard the proposed decision as effectively a breach of the undertaking entered into by the UK Ministers at the OSPAR ministerial meeting.

It is important that the Minister said this and it shows his dissatisfaction. It also indicates the strained relationship between the Government and that of the UK – I do not think I am exaggerating the situation in saying this. Close co-operation with our neighbouring island and its Government is necessary, but not in the context of life and death matters when we are being endangered as a result of action or lack of action on their part. Therefore, the Minister should not be worried about a strained relationship but should keep on pressing the issue in the interest of all the people of the island. The British should recognise that the Minister has complete unity behind him in doing so.

The Minister also referred to other matters not directly related to the legislation and said some important things in this context. Given my background, I have particular interest in cross-Border co-operation. In the aftermath of the Good Friday Agreement and the legislation which was passed by the House in relation to cross-Border bodies, we have a unique and historic opportunity to increase North-South co-operation to mutual advantage. Such an opportunity exists in the context of what we are discussing. We can co-operate in relation to Sellafield. Pressure from the Government and political parties in relation to Sellafield is good, but pressure in co-operation with the elected public representatives in Northern Ireland would be even better as it would add to the pressure we could exert on the British Government. A power-sharing government in Northern Ireland – I retain my optimism regarding its establishment although on occasion things do not look so bright – could combine with the Irish Government to put pressure on the British Government.

There is as much fear in relation to Sellafield in Counties Down and Antrim as in Counties Dublin, Wicklow, Louth etc. and there is a tremendous opportunity to co-operate to mutual advantage. Even in the short-term before a Government is formed, and given the likely hiatus when the assembly will sit without powers being devolved to it, there is an opportunity for assembly members to join with Members of the Dáil in discussing this matter and exerting pressure. Given my experience North and South of the Border, I am only too willing to play any small part I can. There could be co-operation to mutual advantage through meetings between the Joint Committee on Public Enterprise and Transport and a similar committee of the Northern Ireland assembly in relation to Sellafield and similar matters. Joint action to combat exposure to radon gas is an example. There is a similar problem in the North with radon gas and I am sure the figures in Counties Fermanagh or Tyrone are no different to those in Counties Monaghan or Leitrim. This presents an opportunity for co-operation.

The Minister referred to the national emergency plan drawn up in the aftermath of Chernobyl and which has been updated since. I welcome his assertion that this was an opportunity for North-South co-operation. It makes sense. If there is a national emergency in the South because of what happens in Sellafield or elsewhere, there will be one north of the Border. There will be similar problems and the emergency services will have to act in a similar fashion. It is of fundamental importance that there be the maximum co-operation between the authorities North and South in this matter.

The Minister said he is planning a major exercise to test the plan later this year or in early 2000. The Northern authorities should be brought in on that exercise to see how we can jointly cope with an emergency. It is a wonderful opportunity for co-operation between North and South to mutual advantage. People often point to what happened during the Second World War when Belfast was bombed on either 15 or 16 April 1942. Considerable numbers of people were killed or injured and many were left without housing. Fire brigade units came over the Border from Dundalk and Dublin and that was widely welcomed at a time when co-operation between North and South was negligible. It makes sense that there is maximum co-operation North and South in an emergency and I welcome the Minister's comments on that.

It is remarkable how opposition to mobile phone masts has grown in urban and rural Ireland. I attended a meeting in my constituency in Palmerstown on Monday where the first item on the agenda was the proposed erection of a mast. Only three people were against a proposal for complete opposition. This mast is to be erected in an urban area amid houses where people will have to live cheek by jowl with something they fear. Members of the Oireachtas committee of which I am a member will know we investigated the matter. We summoned people, interest groups and so-called independent experts from all sides of the argument to give evidence, and we came to the conclusion that there was not any medical evidence to substantiate the claim that these masts posed a threat to health.

However, we are also realists and know that people believing there to be a threat to health is almost as serious. This is especially true when cancer is mentioned. People lower their voices and speak of the "big C" or use other euphemisms. It is almost an unmentionable word and strikes fear, especially where children are concerned. When people are afraid of something or if they have any niggling doubt about it, they will oppose it. People accept the committee's conclusion that there is not any medical evidence that masts pose a health threat but argue we could not prove there was not a threat and that we could not give it a clean bill of health. One argues as much as one can on that level, but it does not go down well. Therefore, these masts should not be erected close to people, schools and other centres of population.

I was interested in what my party leader, Deputy John Bruton, said on the Order of Business about recent research indicating there was not a need for these masts. We know how handy mobile phones are. All Members carry one and half of us probably do not need them nor do we need to have them constantly switched on. There is evidence that the radiation emanating from those small instruments is greater than anything emanating from masts. I notice journalists, for example, and people who constantly use mobile phones now have ear pieces for the phones so that they can be used while at the same time being held away from them thus reducing the amount of radiation they get from them. These are supposed to be sensible people but they are not prepared to take the risk. Why should ordi nary people living in built-up areas close to a mast be subjected to threat, even if it is considered a small one?

I hope Deputy Bruton is correct. I know he would not have raised the matter on the Order of Business unless he was sure of his information. I will inquire further because I would like to be able to say to my community in Palmerstown that there is no need for the proposed mast and to say to Eircell and Esat Digifone that they no longer need masts because more modern technology has overtaken their modern technology. If the information is correct, there will be a substantial sigh of relief throughout the island in urban and rural communities. I hope the information is correct and I will examine it further, as will the Minister I am sure. Perhaps he could give some information on it if he or his officials have it to hand.

I support the Bill on Second Stage and will table amendments on Committee Stage. The matter concerning chiropractice is a serious weakness and some solution will have to be found.

I welcome the legislation which is a technical amendment to the Radiological Protection Act, 1991. It is important legislation with important implications for the public. I hope newspapers and broadcast media take up the issues raised by the Bill and bring them to the attention of the public. The Bill was initiated in the Seanad which means its implementation does not impose any charge on the Exchequer. That is always welcome. However, if enacted, the Bill may lead to the need to provide additional public spending on health. In that regard, I will be interested to hear the contributions of my colleague, Deputy Callely, who has a detailed knowledge of medical equipment. Those Deputies who are doctors, nurses or paramedics should also take a close look at the legislation.

The Bill deals mainly with the regulation of medical X-ray equipment to minimise the dose of X-rays patients receive in hospitals and dental surgeries. It also deals with the related issue of other ionising radiation to which patients are exposed as part of diagnostic procedures or as treatment.

There has been some concern at the level of X-ray exposure received by patients undergoing hospital tests. A BBC "Panorama" programme broadcast in the past two or three years reported that the X-ray dose received by patients undergoing the same test in different hospitals varied by a factor of 100. Patients in some hospitals received 100 times the X-ray exposure of patients in other hospitals. It was suggested that a significant number of patients had received such intense doses of X-ray exposure that they had developed leukaemia and other radiation induced cancers. It was also suggested that the older type of X-ray imagers and poorly calibrated equipment were the principal causes of X-ray over exposure.

I am not aware of significant public awareness or concern about this issue in Ireland. The Government is, therefore, to be commended on legislating on this issue because in the past there has been far too much reaction to issues when they blow up in our face. Those responsible for this legislation in the Government – I commend the Minister of State at the Department of the Environment and Local Government, Deputy Jacob – the Civil Service and the Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland are to be commended on their proactive approach to looking after our safety. It is a refreshing change from the circumstances and attitudes which led to the blood bank crisis. We can have confidence in the RPII and its staff.

Like most Deputies I am a layman and have no experience of medicine except at the receiving end, where I found myself recently. When one has a sudden problem which lands one in hospital, one sees at first hand the great work done by the front line personnel in the medical profession, including the doctors, nurses and paramedical personnel, such as the X-ray department staff. It is important that we all take an interest in technical matters. An increasing proportion of legislation is of a technical nature. It is our duty to get a straightforward explanation as to what it means. We all have a public duty to scrutinise legislation and other regulatory practices and not to leave it to the experts to regulate themselves.

X-rays do not evoke the same repulsion among the public as words such as "radiation" or "nuclear". X-rays are seen as friendly because there is a folk memory which associates them with hospitals and, like the late Deputy Noel Browne, with the fight against TB. Yet, X-rays produce strong ionising radiation in the same general class as nuclear radiation. The main difference is that X-rays are of a lower energy range than the gamma rays from nuclear radiating substances. Nevertheless, they can still cause serious damage to living tissue and overdoses can initiate the same kind of sickness that nuclear radiation induces. That is why X-rays fall under the remit of the Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland.

X-rays are beneficial to us in making images which contrast metals from bones and other tissue in the body. The types of tests from which X-ray exposure is used range from simple still shots of the lungs and limbs to see evidence of fractured bones to the longer exposures involved in X-ray imaging during, for example, the barium meal test for ulcers. X-rays are also used in dental surgery investigations and are beneficial to all kinds of analyses, for scientific purposes as well as for the detection of potential crime, as may be seen at airports. They are also easy to control by comparison with nuclear radiation. Basically, they can be confined inside the metal box which will absorb the X-ray.

The problem with X-ray exposures for medical or dental purposes is that the patient is exposed to something which is, in principle, dangerous. What the medical or dental practitioner must consider, and what underlies the practice of X-raying people, is the much greater and immediate harm to the person if he or she is not X-rayed. The other factor to be considered is that the exposure should be as short as possible and to the minimum intensity of X-rays necessary to make a useful picture. Counting X-rays along with other types of radiation exposure, such as the background nuclear radiation including that from radon gas, which is by far the biggest source of nuclear radiation in the environment, it is apparent that approximately 20 per cent of the average person's exposure to radiation comes from X-rays.

There is no such thing as the average person or the average house, which is why some people are exposed to dangerous levels of radon gas and why some are more exposed to X-ray exposure. Some probably receive a greater dose of X-ray exposure in hospitals than they do from all nuclear radiation in the environment over their lifetime. The Bill is an attempt to ensure this radiation exposure from medical X-rays is minimised for all patients.

Technology is continually improving. X-ray detectors are becoming more sensitive and the X-ray exposure needed to make an X-ray picture is consequently becoming less strong. However, this is true only for more modern X-ray equipment. The main purpose of the Bill is to strengthen the licensing powers of the Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland relating to the use of X-ray equipment by practitioners. It brings the licensing of X-ray and other radiation sources and equipment, and its use by practitioners, within the scope of Articles 5 and 6 of the European Communities Medical Ionising Radiation Regulations, 1998 and Statutory Instrument No. 189 of that year.

The Bill also contains some provisions in connection with the fees associated with licensing. It should be noted that the main onus of regulation will lie with the RPII and not with the Minister or the Department. I have every confidence in the ability of the RPII to carry out this function and I hope my concerns about the avoidance of excessive doses of X-rays to patients will be noted by the Department and the RPII.

It is conceivable that some older X-ray equipment will have to be replaced to comply with these new regulations. That is why I am sounding the alarm bells on the question of funding. I do not want hospital managers using up part of their normal budget for next year to comply with the provisions of this legislation and then talk about highly emotive front line ward closures at the end of next year.

Once-off costs associated with replacing old high does X-ray equipment should be provided for by the health boards to the budgets of the hospitals concerned. Given that the costs should make a big difference for some hospitals and not for others, it is unreasonable for them to be met out of the normal revenue budget of the hospitals concerned. They should be met from funding provided for long-term capital expenditure. Given what happened in the Western Health Board area in 1998 and in two other places where there were ward closures or threatened ward closures due to bad planning of the budget, I would like the Minister for Health and Children to explicitly ring-fence a portion of the budget for the health boards to be used specifically for the replacement of non-compliant X-ray equipment and for the improvement of X-ray dose calibration procedures. I am also concerned that the fees levied under the provision of the Bill should be reasonable and not amount to a raid on the budgets of hospitals.

I have similar concerns with regard to dental practices where the equipment replacement cost would be a more serious issue. The most modern dental practices now have the type of X-ray imaging which produces a single image of the entire mouth rather than the older practice of making a series of individual X-ray images on pieces of film. This approach reduces the dose to the patient by a significant amount. It should be encouraged by the RPII and the Department of Health and Children. The health boards should encourage the installation of safer X-ray equipment in its budgetary policy by ensuring that hospitals with the oldest equipment get priority funding to purchase new equipment.

The license fees which are set should cover the necessary cost of licensing and should not amount to a tax on the user. Those setting license fees on public bodies should be made aware that they are service providers charging customers for a compulsory service necessary for implementing the law. The fee must be a genuine and competitive charge for the job done and not a hidden tax to feed an unnecessarily swollen bureaucracy. There are a plethora of essential regulatory agencies. I support regulation if it is in the interest of the consumer. However, licensing and regulatory agencies simply must not see themselves as powerful and unaccountable empires which can live in a cocoon of economic unreality, feeding off whatever licence fee they decide to charge their regulated customers. Licence fees to pay for administration and testing must be based on the economic cost, and the State has no right to charge a profit except to provide for test equipment replacement costs and depreciation.

I also note the provisions in the Bill to chase people who do not pay their licence fees on time. Non-hospital practitioners, especially dentists, would appreciate similar promptness and similar powers to extract their payments from the Department of Social, Community and Family Affairs. Some dentists in my constituency wait months for payment of PRSI related claims from the Letterkenny offices, without the benefit of the clout of punitive legal sanctions. What would happen if they took the approach of the proposed subsection (7A) of the Principal Act and refused to carry out extractions until they had extracted the money from the Department first? I sincerely hope that this will never happen. Certainly the insured workers in my constituency greatly appreciate the way dentists give treatment first and ask about payment later. That is why I think they need a fair deal in terms of payments for licences and payments for treatment.

To return to the safety aspects of X-rays, I would draw the attention of Deputies to the fact that section 30(2) of the Principal Act refers to the protection of workers. I am concerned about the effects on workers of chronic low level exposure to stray or escaping rays from equipment. This applies not just to medical workers, such as radiologists, but also to security personnel in the airports, who I regularly see with their hands in front of the entrance to the scanner as they push baggage through it. Is the RPII monitoring this type of exposure before damage is done?

I welcome this Bill and strongly urge the RPII, when we give it the new powers, to actively regulate the X-ray imaging equipment and practices in our hospitals, and particularly to ensure that it is properly calibrated and gives only the minimum necessary dose. The RPII should report each year on the X-ray dose from each piece of equipment for a simple still lung or limb X-ray, for a barium meal test and, in the case of dental equipment, for a full mouth scan image so that the Department of Health and Children can plan to replace high dose equipment urgently.

I had not intended to contribute but, in passing, I heard the Minister address the emission of radon gas. It is a subject about which I have read a little and in which I am interested. It is a subject which has been inadequately addressed and I wish to avail of the opportunity to say a few words on the matter.

It is an issue which is not getting the attention it deserves. It is a serious problem. Almost 10 per cent of the households surveyed in this country would appear to have a problem with radon gas. If there was a 10 per cent risk of a fire, a gas leak or an electrical fault in houses, there would be a national outcry. The risk is high. It appears that we are ignoring a serious problem . I hope we will deal with it more seriously over the next few months.

The initial survey results paint a bleak picture in parts of my constituency, particularly in parts of north Cork. I admit of course that, until the survey is concluded, it will not be possible to make a national response, but the Minister of State, Deputy Jacob, and his Government colleagues must deal seriously with the emission of radon gas.

We are told that there are solutions, that householders can take measures to deal with the problem but there is always a cost involved. I hope the Minister of State and his colleagues will be willing to introduce some type of grant to help the affected householders take remedial action.

Perhaps it is not our job to spread scare stories but there is significant evidence to suggest a link between radon gas and an increase in the incidence of lung cancer. Therefore, we must deal with the matter in a serious fashion.

I am glad that part of the countrywide survey involves looking at our schools. While the household survey is important, it is equally important to look at schools. Obviously schools in those areas which have already produced a 10 or 12 per cent risk rate must be affected also and we must intervene at the earliest stage.

Intervention, response and the provision of a solution will be costly. It is difficult to estimate the cost but it may be necessary for the Department of Public Enterprise to provide financial assistance to help affected householders respond to the problem; it is a problem which obviously will not go away. It has existed for hundreds of years. Now that we are aware of the emission of radon gas and we have a way of measuring it, we must encourage all householders to measure the rate of risk in their house and then, not only encourage but assist them to resolve the problem.

The Bill deals with much wider issues than the problem of radon gas, but this is a problem which we do not often get an opportunity to discuss in this House. As the Minister mentioned it this morning I wanted to welcome his initiative in bringing it forward for debate. I hope he and his colleagues will respond. I would see the provision of some sort of financial aid to householders as imperative if we are to give people the incentive to examine the scale of the problem affecting their families' future health and then to deal with it in the prescribed manner.

I thank Deputies Stagg, Currie, O'Flynn and Bradford for their valuable contributions. While it is a short technical Bill, it is important that we deal with the loophole about X-ray equipment, mentioned by Deputy Stagg and Deputy Currie, and the other elements of the Bill.

I disagree with Deputy Stagg and Deputy Currie's interpretation of the approach which they suggested would wipe out the chiropractor profession. For instance, there are currently three licences in force n respect of X-ray rquipment held by chiropractors: one is for custody in use of the equipment and the remaining two cover custody only. Therefore, I think the claims of both Deputies are exaggerated.

That said, I fully respect what they had to say. They have obviously been approached by members of that profession. Indeed, the Department was only approached by them in recent days, which is surprising.

It was only in recent days that the Department caught on to the threat.

However, we received a letter from the Chiropractic Association on 26 April which contained a suggestion that it should be given an opportunity to discuss its views on the Bill. I have already arranged for officials from my Department and the Department of Health and Children to meet representatives of the association as soon as possible to discuss their views. The issues raised by Deputies Stagg and Currie will be borne in mind during that meeting.

While it would be inappropriate to comment in any detail on the association's views in advance of that meeting, the purpose of the Bill is to deal with an anomaly in the existing legislation. The legal position relating to medical competence of personnel using X-ray equipment is set out in SI 189 of 1988 Any matters of policy in this field are the primary responsibility of the Minister for Health and Children. Recognition of medical competence is the responsibility of the medical council. Regulation 5 of SI 189 of 1988 provides that X-ray apparatus shall not be used unless the person is a suitably trained doctor or other practitioner or does so under the direction and supervision of a doctor or other practitioner who in the opinion of the medical council is suitably trained in radiation protection and techniques, and has followed a course of training in radiation protection and techniques approved by the medical council.

I thank the Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland, RPII, which provides excellent support and advice to the Government on all nuclear and radiological safety matters. The institute fulfils many duties which are vital to ensuring the safe use of radioactive materials. These include its licensing system for the custody, use and transport of radioactive substances and apparatus. It has responsibility for undertaking terrestrial and marine environmental monitoring programmes to measure radioactivity levels. It has a role in emergency planning and response and providing information to the public on matters relating to radiological protection.

I appreciate very much Deputy Currie's strong interest in nuclear safety matters. I reiterate that the Government's policy, which is similar to that of previous Governments, is to pursue every possible course of action both directly with the UK Government and in the EU and international fora to eliminate the threat posed by the Sellafield complex. We continue to take a very strong line on discharges.

Deputy Currie, as is his wont, referred to North-South co-operation and I always greatly admire his repeated emphasis on the need for such co-operation in all aspects of our work inside and outside the House. My Department and the RPII liaise with our Northern counterparts through the North-South contact group on radioactivity matters. There is an exchange of views on such matters as terrestrial and marine radioactivity monitoring and there is also interaction on emergency planning matters. I share the Deputy's aspiration to strengthen this level of co-operation and we will do everything possible to so do. I will examine the possibility of suitable participation by our Northern colleagues in the next test of the national nuclear emergency plan. Officials from Northern Ireland acted as observers during the last test of the plan.

I share the concern of Deputies Currie, Stagg and Bradford with regard to radon. It would be totally irresponsible of me and all of us, not to be concerned. The RPII has repeatedly formally signalled its concerns about radon, particularly its presence in the domestic environment. It has recommended that some level of State grant-aid should be provided for remedial purposes. No such grant is in place but I have been asked in the House to keep it under review and on the agenda, and I will do so.

A number of Deputies referred to non-ionising radiation emissions from masts. While it is not my specific responsibility, it comes under the remit of my senior colleague, Deputy O'Rourke. I am aware of the concern among the public from speaking to my constituents. Deputy Currie will be aware that the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Public Enterprise and Transport conducted an investigation into the possible health effects of mobile telephone masts in March. It published a report subsequently, which contained certain conclusions.

Perhaps the new technology referred to on the Order of Business by Deputy Currie's party leader will be realised and will ease our minds and those of the people we represent.

The conclusion was that there would not be a conclusion. The jury was out on that matter.

I am only as au fait with it as the Deputy, given that I only heard it mentioned this morning. I pricked my ears in optimistic expectation and, I hope it will happen. I thank all colleagues for their valuable contributions and I look forward to further interaction with them on Second Stage.

On a point of order, I am sorry I did not have the opportunity to speak as I did not expect the debate to conclude so early. However, I wish to record my interest in the work of the RPII and look forward to the Minister's attendance at the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Public Enterprise and Transport to discuss further the suggestions from Dr. Gordon Thompson and the RPII.

Question put and agreed to.
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