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Seanad Éireann debate -
Thursday, 11 Jun 1998

Vol. 155 No. 22

Adjournment Matters. - Breaking the Cycle.

This motion seeks to ensure that the Minister for Education and Science retains the Breaking the Cycle scheme in operation in the Central Model School in Marlborough Street and in Scoil Mhuire in Dorset Street. I tabled it two weeks ago because I was told that four teaching posts under the Breaking the Cycle scheme would be lost in the junior and senior primary schools in Marlborough Street and in Scoil Mhuire boys' and girls' schools. Since then other proposed teaching losses have come to my attention in Sheriff Street, City Quay, St. Vincent's and in many other parts of the city. I refer to these areas in particular because they are deprived areas of the inner city and all, except one, are in my constituency.

When the Breaking the Cycle scheme was introduced in 1996 by the then Minister for Education, Ms Bhreathnach, its purpose was to examine the declining numbers of pupils in primary schools and the subsequent staffing requirements in terms of pupil/teacher ratios. There should be a deliberate attempt to reduce the teacher/pupil ratio in certain areas where that is required. Half the teacher surplus should be used for this purpose rather than dividing it equally between schools.

The Minister chose 25 urban and 25 rural schools which fell into a particular category, the criteria of which were determined independently by the Combat Poverty Agency. The idea was to have a maximum ratio of 15:1, which would be a substantial reduction of a ratio of approximately 25:1. This was a major effort to focus resources in areas where they were most needed. I understand from speaking to teachers in the area that it has made a great difference to have an inner city class size of 15 or fewer compared to 25 or more and the level of personal attention which can be given to pupils in the classroom has greatly improved.

I am dismayed that the Minister now proposes to reduce the ratio in these schools. When the scheme was introduced two years ago it was on a five year basis. Nobody expected anyone to interfere with it until we saw how it operated. If it operated effectively, then it could be assessed and a decision could be made. However, the Minister is interfering with it in its second year. The Minister was not in a position to interfere with it last year because the elections took place in June and it was then too late to require schools to reduce their teacher numbers. However, at the first opportunity the Minister has intervened in a negative fashion to take teachers who are very much needed.

I will give the Minister an idea of the type of school to which I refer. In one of the schools in the area 10 per cent of the pupils are categorised as seriously disruptive. In other circumstances these students would be in special schools and they would cost the State a fortune. They are being taught now and, according to the teacher with whom I spoke today, they are anxious to stay on in school as the summer holidays approach. That is a good sign of the quality of teaching and care, although I suppose it says much about the environment in which the students would find themselves outside school. In the same school a number of pupils have specific disabilities as well as being disruptive and at risk in other areas.

There are also 11 children of asylum seekers attending the school. They account for roughly 10 or 11 per cent of the pupils in the school. The school is taking on board that new category of pupils which is increasing in number in the inner city. These circumstances render it difficult for a decision to be taken in the previous September. The decision was taken on 13 September 1997 for allocations in 1998.

There is flexibility in the operation of schools with regard to the numbers of pupils enroling on an ongoing basis for many reasons, including the fact that some pupils are the children of asylum seekers and the nature of inner city schooling where, unlike in middle class environments, the names of pupils are brought to the teacher at the last moment at the end of the summer. Until the school opens in September it is never easy to know precisely the number of pupils who wish to attend. It is a different scenario entirely from what one would expect in other areas in the country.

The existing good system, which was set up as a five year pilot programme, is being undermined in its second year. At the same time, the Minister is introducing a good scheme for 15 to 18 year olds. If the teachers are taken from these schools, it will probably result in the need for new teachers. There are teachers who are being trained for the Breaking the Cycle scheme who will be let go and new staff will replace them later in the year.

In the interests of the pupils, education, Breaking the Cycle and, indeed, the Minister, because this is a volatile situation and there is much antagonism in the communities over what the Minister is proposing to do, the Minister should rescind the decision which has been taken by the Department of Education and Science and letters should emanate from the Department to these schools reversing the decision.

The Minister for Education and Science has asked me to apologise to Senator Costello and to the House for his inability to be here this evening. He thanks Senator Costello for raising this issue, which he is pleased to have the opportunity to address as the situation has been misrepresented in the last few days.

It sounds like good news.

There is one fact which the Minister for Education and Science is anxious to put on the record, that is that the concessionary teacher arrangements and pupil/teacher ratios which were announced for the Breaking the Cycle pilot project remain fully in place in these schools and in all other participating schools.

In the interests of clarity, he has asked me to explain that the general staffing levels in all primary schools are determined by reference to enrolment numbers on 30 September of the previous school year. An agreement to this effect was made between the Government and the INTO in the 1980s and this agreement has been fully and rigorously adhered to since.

Both the Central Model Infants national school and Scoil Mhuire have disadvantaged status and as such are entitled to an overall staffing level which enables them to operate at a maximum class size of 29:1. Both schools are also included in the urban element of the Breaking the Cycle pilot project. As a result of their inclusion in this programme, both schools are also entitled to a staffing level which enables them to operate their junior classes at a maximum class size of 15:1. This is an essential point. Breaking the Cycle has never involved simply handing out teaching posts; it establishes a PTR and allocates the staff required to meet it.

Since the introduction of the pilot project, all schools participating in the urban element of the scheme have been allocated additional staffing to enable them to operate their junior classes at a maximum class size of 15:1. In keeping with standard procedures, these staffing allocations were determined by reference to enrolments at 30 September of the previous school year.

The Minister for Education and Science understands that the enrolment of Central Model Infants national school on 30 September 1997 was 72 pupils. This represents a decrease from 86 pupils the previous year. Because this is a junior infants school, all classes qualify for the 15:1 maximum class size applicable under the Breaking the Cycle project. Based on its reduced enrolment figure, the school requires a total staffing complement of five teachers.

At present, the school has a staffing level of principal, two assistants, a disadvantaged concessionary teaching post, plus two teachers allocated under the Breaking the Cycle project to meet the previously higher enrolment figure. The school also has the full-time services of a remedial teacher and shares in the services of a home-school-community liaison teacher and a teaching counsellor.

On the basis of its reduced enrolment figure, the staffing allocation being made available to the school for the forthcoming school year is adequate to meet the school's requirements. The PTR in its junior classes will be below 15:1 on the basis of the enrolment data.

The Minister for Education and Science understand that the enrolment of Scoil Mhuire on 30 September 1997 was 100 pupils. This is a reduction from 103 pupils the previous year. On the basis of the composition of the school's total enrolment, in terms of junior and senior class pupils, this school requires a total staffing complement of five teachers to remain within the required class size limitations. For the forthcoming school year, the school will have a principal, three assistants, plus a disadvantaged concessionary teaching post. The school will also have the services of a full-time remedial teacher, a shared home-school-community liaison teacher and a concessionary teacher post arising from a previous amalgamation. Once again, the school will have a PTR below 15:1 in its junior classes, in fact 13:1 on the basis of enrolment data.

The Minister utterly rejects the idea that this is a new policy and that, as was said earlier this week, he is undermining the agreed staffing for these schools. If he were to allocate further teaching posts to these schools, it would require a new staffing schedule. Both schools will continue to benefit from preferential PTR arrangements which recognise their particular needs.

However, there is an arrangement in place whereby schools may contact the Department if their projected enrolments are likely to increase for the forthcoming school year and they would be unable to work within the maximum class size guidelines. In such situations, the Department will re-examine the schools' staffing needs based on the projected enrolment figures. Both of the schools in question have recently submitted projected enrolment figures suggesting increases for the forthcoming school year. These submissions are currently being examined in the Department to determine whether revised staffing arrangements are required. If it is the case that new enrolments would push them above the agreed guidelines this will be attended to as it is in all such cases.

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