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Seanad Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 13 Dec 2022

Vol. 290 No. 13

Finance Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage

Debate resumed on recommendation No. 10:
In page 242, between lines 36 and 37, to insert the following:
"Report on taxation and expenditure competence
103. The Minister shall, within 12 months of the passing of this Act, lay a report before both Houses of the Oireachtas outlining the potential for the transfer of certain taxation and expenditure competences from the Government to local authorities and the potential implications for such a transfer in respect of the delivery of public services, the
responsiveness of taxation policy to geographic-specific contexts and the potential benefit in respect of strengthening local democracy and community wellbeing.".
-(Senator Alice-Mary Higgins)

Recommendation No. 10 proposes that within 12 months of the passing of the Bill, the Minister shall lay a report before the Houses of the Oireachtas examining the potential for the transfer of certain taxation and expenditure competencies from the Government to local authorities and the potential implications of such a transfer in respect of the delivery of public services, the responsiveness of the taxation policy to geographic-specific contexts and the potential benefit in strengthening local democracy and community well-being. The national delivery of our public services is crucial. I refer in this recommendation to transferring certain functions to local government, but there is also scope for additional taxation and expenditure competencies to be taken up by local authorities.

Taxes are a central source of revenue for local authorities. In many countries, local government bodies have the power to set their own tax rates, raise additional taxes and develop targeted taxation systems. That power is usually limited by legislation and, of course, the national government has overarching power to set the permissible parameters of the rates of tax that can be imposed by local government and the areas of appropriate expenditure. Under many such systems, local authorities have the power to procure loans to buy and sell property and engage in business activities, as provided for in legislation. Many even have the power to establish companies, co-operatives and foundations. A large number of countries have national constitutions that include provisions relating to the power and autonomy of local authorities. In Germany, for example, there is municipal financial sovereignty.

In Ireland, local authorities have lost considerable power over the recent period and they face significant challenges. There are very few targeted schemes, the property tax being one of the only examples, that allow local authorities to apply targeted taxation measures and to follow through with targeted expenditure. As we know, there is a wealth of wisdom, understanding and local knowledge within local government in respect of such measures. We also know that some parts of the economy have very particular impacts in specific geographic areas. In San Francisco, to give an example of how things are done internationally, a small levy is charged on hotel night stays, the revenue from which goes to a fund that is directed towards the arts, creative activity and community activity in the city, which are, in themselves, some of the major factors that attract tourists to that location. The city authority was able to introduce a targeted measure that is appropriate to the context of its locality both in terms of the taxation itself and how the expenditure of the revenue raised is ring-fenced.

There are certain local authorities in the State that are very aware of areas of opportunity for taxation that may not be appropriate to apply in the same way in every part of the country but that are, for instance, suitable to an urban area or a local county council area. These are areas in which local authorities might identify potential for a small levy or additional taxation, which could serve as a resource for those authorities. As we know, many local authorities have struggled to reflect their ambition and the ideas they have to meet the needs of those who live in their area.

In Spain, for example, some local authorities have ring fenced a very small amount of their budget for participatory budgeting. They have all of the normal budgeting that would be done, including national and local budgeting but a very small revenue or tax is gathered and its expenditure is decided on the basis of participative budgeting. We are talking about a ring-fenced amount which, at a few million euro, is small in the grander scheme of things but it empowers local communities and local areas to have a say in how they can effectively address the ideas and needs of their local areas. It gives a strong sense of engagement in democracy and decision making at a local level. This is quite a wide issue but is one we need to start examining. Ireland is somewhat unusual in how little power its local authorities have in this regard. If we strengthened this provision or even started piloting models under which it could be done, we might be surprised by the beneficial outcomes that could arise.

I urge the Minister to accept the recommendation. I have given a year for the report looking into those possibilities to be published.

To some extent provision already exists for budgeting at local authority level via the local property tax, LPT, which facilitates a responsiveness of taxation policy to a geographically specific context, that is, each local authority area. LPT is an essential source of funding for local authorities, accounting for approximately 8% of current income this year. The annual LPT allocation supplements local authority income from commercial rates from the provision of goods and services and Government grants. LPT provides appropriate levels of financial support to individual local authorities, allowing them to sustain their continued efforts to achieve balanced budgets and helps to fund important local services such as parks, libraries, leisure amenities, fire and emergency services, the maintenance and cleaning of streets, and street lighting, all of which benefit citizens directly.

Since 2015 local authorities have had the power to vary the rates of LPT in their areas by up to 15%. If an authority decides to vary the LPT basic rate upwards by up to 15%, it retains 100% of the additional income collected in the area. If the rate is reduced, the authority forgoes the full amount of the reduced LPT income collected. This is in line with the commitment in the programme for Government, Our Shared Future.

The LPT allocation mechanism for 2023 will be changed to allow for 100% of the estimated yield to be retained locally within the local authority area where it is collected. This was done on the basis that those counties with a lower LPT base are adjusted via an annual national equalisation fund paid from the Exchequer.

Twenty two local authorities voted to increase LPT above the basic rate for 2021. These authorities benefit from just over €20 million in additional LPT income for their own use this year as result of their decisions to vary the rates upwards. Four authorities have a reduced rate, with a corresponding reduction in income foregone. As LPT helps to fund local services, local authorities are encouraged each year to communicate to the public regarding how funds are spent.

I accept the validity of the Senator's argument that additional taxation should be raised by local authorities. It is not often that I hear such a request being made and I am surprised to hear it here. While I accept it is her point of view, I would not be encouraging local authorities to raise more taxes. While local authorities set the LPT rate, the tax is collected by the Revenue Commissioners. LPT is paid to the Revenue Commissioners and it then goes to the relevant local authorities. It is so successful, in terms of the very high rate of compliance and collection of LPT, at more than 90%, precisely because of the involvement of the Revenue Commissioners in its collection. The collection rate by the Revenue Commissioners is outstanding. It is one of the most efficient organisations in this State which is why the collection rate for the LPT funds is so high. It is very important, therefore, that the Revenue Commissioners would continue to play that strong role as the collection authority. One could almost say it acts as an agent for the local authorities in collecting these taxes. If one compares the LPT collection rate with the local authorities' own collection rates for housing arrears and other arrears of funds that are due to them, one sees they have not been very efficient at collecting same. In that context, I would not like to see local authorities given sanction to collect extra taxes because their collection record is not as good as that of the Revenue Commissioners.

A lot of motor taxation is paid online now but some of it is still collected by the local authorities. They collect it as an agent of the Exchequer and the funds go to the local authorities by way of grants from the Department of Transport to fund their roads and transport infrastructure. Another major source of funds for local authorities are commercial rates and, again, I would suggest that they have a very strong mandate in terms of setting the rate and collecting the money owed. They also have the power to set and collect parking charges in their areas and to set the development levies attached to planning permission granted in their areas.

There are already strong mechanisms in place to enable local authorities to raise and collect a significant amount of funding. The equalisation fund helps to balance funding to local authorities. Some counties cover a large geographic area and have considerable roads infrastructure, for example, but have a relatively small population from whom LPT is collected or a small commercial rates base which is why we need an overall umbrella approach to the funding for local authorities.

Senator Higgins made reference to a large US city but that does not equate to a typical local authority area in Ireland that might have 100,000 or 150,000 people in it. One cannot directly compare a large US city with an Irish local authority area. The city to which she refers would be of a scale way beyond any local authority area in Ireland.

For the various reasons just outlined, particularly the fact that the LPT already exists, I cannot accept this recommendation from Senators Higgins and Ruane.

Just before Senator Higgins responds, I welcome to the Distinguished Visitor's Gallery the family and friends of the late former Deputy Bobby Aylward. He was a great friend of all of us in this House and of all of the staff and Members of the Oireachtas. We had many great conversations with him. We really enjoyed the by-election campaign in Kilkenny when we were fighting for the seat he won back. We always enjoyed the hospitality we received in Kilkenny from his family. He is being remembered in Dáil Éireann today and we join in that remembrance in Seanad Éireann as well.

I join the Cathaoirleach in welcoming the Aylward family.

In relation to this recommendation, the direct comparator is Dublin and our capital city certainly makes a point of going around comparing itself to San Francisco when it is seeking investment from many of the same kinds of companies that have a home in that US city. Many of us will have had the experience, which does not just apply to San Francisco, of visiting a city and paying a city tax when we stay in a hotel there. That is a standard charge that is applied in lots of cities of various sizes across Europe and elsewhere. It is an important source of funding.

Unlike many others, I support the LPT because while it is not always very well targeted, it is important to look to wealth and to taxation on wealth as well as on income in this State. Taxation can also be at its most effective when it is targeted in relation to particular activities. As the Minister himself said, there are particular parts of the country that may not have large revenues coming through from property tax or from commercial rates. They may have a particular context, specific powers and forms of activity that take place within their areas which might be appropriate for a smaller, targeted tax measure.

I say that because I am a little concerned. I know we are moving towards retention, at every level, of the local property tax but there will be a concern when it comes to equalisation because there are local authority areas which are really strapped with regard to their incomes.

The collection issue is not really the main concern in that regard. There is very good reason arrears may not always be collected. The last thing we want is for local authorities to start to move towards evicting or putting pressure on local authority tenants at these very difficult times in housing. However, one of the concerns about the vacant site tax has been about the tax not going back to the local area where it was collected. That was one of the problems. Local authorities were remiss in applying and collecting the vacant site tax but if the moneys from that tax had been ring-fenced for urban or rural development, it might have incentivised and encouraged greater take-up and application of the tax function.

I am looking to the future in some of the areas where we need most action, such as climate change. I am thinking of transition communities such as those in Phibsboro and Donegal. There are local authority areas which have had a greater level of ambition than the national level. I am also looking to the idea that they might be able to come up with targeted, appropriate taxation measures and expenditure plans which might turn out to be leading measures when it comes to addressing the climate crisis. We have seen communities and cities throughout Europe and the wider world which have led, often ahead of their states, in this regard. I am trying to ensure local authorities have the tools to do that.

I appreciate the additional points the Senator made. This is a broader issue than the Finance Bill because much of what has been discussed here is about the role of local authorities. Such a matter would have to be dealt with as part of a whole-of-government approach with the Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage, which has a key role in this area. This suggestion could not be taken on by the Department of Finance without having a full consultation with the Minister for Housing, Local Government and Heritage on the matters we are discussing. I am not in a position to take the recommendation on board as a result. That is a key factor and it needs to be said.

I will raise an awkward situation from a few years ago, when we brought in the water rates. They were to be collected by local authorities as well. This created its own difficulties when people felt they had paid their taxes in the first place for the provision of public services. I would always be very careful about introducing an extra tax at local authority level to pay for projects when people may feel they have already paid their taxes to provide these services. It would require a long and detailed discussion in wider society and not just a debate such as this on the Finance Bill. This type of debate is far larger than the specifics of the Finance Bill and for that reason, I cannot under any circumstances take on the recommendation.

I look forward to the wider debate and I will not need to press the recommendation. I hope we have started the debate.

Recommendation, by leave, withdrawn.

Recommendations Nos. 11 to 16, inclusive, are related and may be discussed together.

I move recommendation No. 11:

In page 243, between lines 9 and 10, to insert the following:

“Report on the extension of period for which properties must be in use as a dwelling under Vacant Homes Tax

106. The Minister shall, within six months of the passing of this Act, lay before both Houses of the Oireachtas a report reviewing the definition of vacancy to include any property which is in use as a dwelling for less than 90 days per year.”.

I second the recommendation.

Recommendations Nos. 11 and 12 relate to the concern about the required threshold of only 30 days of annual occupancy in order for a property to be considered exempt from the proposed vacant property tax. This threshold is extremely low with regard to international norms. Dr. Gerard Turley, an economist at the University of Galway, noted that in other countries and cities throughout the world that have introduced vacant property taxes, the usual cut-off period is six months. In Ireland's case, it is one month, which is a very low bar to meet.

The idea of a vacant property tax has been long called for. It was very much welcomed. Many people, when they saw the 30-day requirement, came to me believing it meant the property would be considered a vacant property if it were vacant for 30 days when, of course, the opposite is the case. The scheme says that if the property is occupied for just 30 days per year, it is not considered a vacant property. That is not an adequate measure because we are not talking about derelict properties, we are talking about vacant properties. With regard to dereliction, the test of whether one can occupy the property at all may be relevant. However, the problem with vacancy is that properties are being left empty for much of the entire year. We know there are considerable volumes of vacant properties throughout this State that could and should be used to address the housing crisis.

The legislation creates an obligation on owners to provide proof of occupancy in the home in the form of an electricity bill or other documenting proof but, with a low threshold of just 30 days, it is very hard to prove somebody is not there for 30 days if he or she claims to be. The bar becomes quite difficult. Some other states and places have gone for 90 days. If the property is empty or vacant for three quarters or half of the year, it should be considered vacant.

With regard to bringing homes back into use, this very small occupancy period incentivises people to keep the properties not just as holiday homes but as holiday homes for a very tiny period of the year. We have been looking to and calling on people to try to make their properties available even for shorter periods of time. However, a one-month threshold means many of the properties will be holiday homes. It also gives cover to those who sit on properties. I know this. I live in an apartment building in the city centre and I see apartments around me which sit empty because their value and theoretical rent is going up and they can be traded as commodities.

There is an argument that 30 days of occupation in a year is not enough, even for holiday homes, but even if the Minister wished to exempt holiday homes, we have a separate second home tax. It would be possible to refine the measure to treat owners of holiday homes slightly differently from owners of multiple apartments in large apartment blocks which are left vacant other than during a 30-day let to a corporate tenant or, indeed, just 30 days a year of having anybody move in. It allows them to keep the asset empty and continue trading it an asset rather than treating it as a potential home.

If holiday homes are the reason we are having a 30-day requirement versus the standard 90-day or 180-day requirement which is usual everywhere else in the world that has applied a vacant property tax, and if he wishes for such a tax to be effective, the Minister should find a targeted measure to address the holiday home issue. However, he should not provide cover for speculators who trade in vacant houses and properties or make it incredibly easy for them to evade a vacant property tax.

Recommendation No. 13 seeks to deal with the fact that the vacant home tax leaves out derelict properties entirely. The former Civil Engagement Group Senator, Grace O'Sullivan, of the Green Party, first introduced legislation on this issue in the last Oireachtas. We have been calling for measures to tackle vacant properties since 2017 and we are only now seeing some action on that.

When Senator Grace O'Sullivan introduced her Derelict and Vacant Sites Bill 2017, she referred to the need to address both vacant and derelict sites as connected parts of the same problem. Decoupling the issues is short-sighted.

The derelict sites levy is administered by the councils, as we have discussed. If that levy were going back into local authorities, we might see a better application of it. However, as administered, it has been an absolute failure. The local authorities have failed in their collection of the tax. In 2021, only €1.1 million out of the €4.5 million that was owed in derelict site levies was collected by city and county councils, which is a collection rate of 23%. A total of 18 councils failed to collect any levy at all. The derelict site levies, as they currently operate, are not working and are not being applied. We may need to take a carrot-and-stick approach to address this. Pressure must be put on local authorities to apply the levy properly and there should be an incentive whereby the moneys collected from it can be spent on addressing dereliction and building local community amenities and shared public spaces. Alternatively, we may need to introduce national levies that explicitly address derelict sites. We cannot continue with an inadequate measure that is being inadequately applied. In France, the vacant property tax in operation there has had a very useful impact. It is interesting to note that in that jurisdiction, vacant homes and derelicts buildings are addressed through the same legislation.

Recommendation No. 14 relates to the disappointingly low rate of vacant homes tax that has, finally, been proposed. It is to be set at just three times the local property tax rate, which means the tax will amount to only 0.3% of the property value. I am conscious that it may not continue to be the case but property values have massively increased in recent years. In many cases, the increases has been far more than 0.3%. If we want to discourage the actions of speculators who have no interest in delivering housing or renting it out and are, rather, interested in having a portfolio of assets they can trade, we need to ensure the penalties for not putting a property into use are higher than the profits to be gained from simply choosing to leave that property vacant. Property prices increased by 14% between June 2021 and June 2022. A potential fine of 0.3% of the property value, with a requirement that one need only have a tenant in the property for 30 days, versus a 14% hike in the value of the property is a significant imbalance.

Recommendation No. 15 likewise relates to the need to deter property hoarding. It calls for a report on another option for the functioning of the vacant homes tax, which seeks potentially to link the tax to property price inflation. Again, I am conscious that prices can move in both directions and the proposal is one to consider carefully. It is about trying to keep pace with the dynamic whereby price inflation is such that it nullifies the impact of the tax. The recommendation proposes a linking of the two but it would have to be done in a careful way, using a backstop to ensure that if there is a sudden drop in property prices, there would not be a fall in the vacant homes tax.

Recommendation No. 16 calls for a report on the introduction of a stricter definition of "market rent" in the legislation. The current wording allows owners to seek exemptions from the vacant homes tax if they have attempted to rent their property out without success, with the caveat that the property should be offered at market rent. As we know from the operation of the Residential Tenancies Act 2004, the definition of "market rent" currently in use can be quite meaningless. It is defined as whatever a willing tenant and landlord can agree. In an environment in which landlords have all the bargaining power, it is not a meaningful restriction. We could easily see a large number of people claiming false exemptions from the tax on the basis of this weak definition. There is no link to the affordability of the rent or its being in any way index-linked to inflation.

This recommendation asks the Minister to look at using a definition that is stronger and is linked to the data we have from the Residential Tenancies Board, RTB, rather than the vague concept of what a tenant is willing to pay. If a landlord can find anybody who will pay €3,000 a month, he or she can say that is what a willing tenant has paid in the particular locality and, therefore, all the properties he or she has to rent out can be advertised at €3,000 a month. The landlord can then choose not to rent out the properties and not pay the vacant homes tax. I have seen properties in the city centre advertised for a year at intentionally outrageous rents that no one will pay. Perhaps the owners have one example of somebody who paid that price. The rents being asked for certainly are not reflective of the real averages and figures. Rather than having a vague definition of "market rent", let us look to the data from the RTB to see what it is charting as being an appropriate rent for an area. If landlords claim they have advertised a property and tried to rent it out, that claim should be tested against what the RTB regards as an appropriate rent for the area. That would be a better test.

Before addressing this group of recommendations, I join the Cathaoirleach and Senators in offering my sympathies to the family of the late former Deputy, Bobby Aylward, some of whom were in the Gallery a short while ago. I spoke to Helena outside and explained that I am in the Seanad for this debate and will not be in the Dáil Chamber for the expressions of sympathy.

I turn now to recommendations Nos. 11 to 16, inclusive, which are being discussed together. Addressing vacancy and maximising the use of existing housing stock is a priority for the Government. In its Housing for All strategy, the Government set out a suite of incentives to encourage the reuse of properties and increase the supply of housing. In addition, the Government is committed to exploring options around sanctions for non-use of residential property and ensuring there is some penalty for leaving a home vacant for a prolonged period without genuine cause. To that end, the Minister announced the introduction of a vacant homes tax in budget 2023.

Senators Higgins and Ruane have made a number of recommendations for reports on various aspects of the new tax, including the duration of vacancy, the rate at which it is charged, options to include derelict properties and a definition of "market rent". As with all new tax measures introduced, the Department will monitor the vacant homes tax and if it is not considered to be effective in bringing more properties into use, the Minister will have no hesitation in reviewing how it operates. It is a new tax being introduced, with arrangements being put in place for it to be paid in the coming year and the years to come. We will have to see how it works. If it needs improvement, if the rates at which the tax can be levied or if the definitions or method of collection need to change, that all can be considered, but we need some information as a base for drawing any conclusion. That can only happen after the legislation takes effect and we see how it works for a period. The Bill certainly can be revisited at that stage.

Regarding the duration of vacancy, a minimum threshold of residential occupancy aims to strike the appropriate balance between incentivising owners of vacant homes to bring their properties back into use without penalising homeowners for normal, temporary vacancy. The Finance Bill sets out a threshold of 30 days. Senator Higgins proposes that my Department compile a report on setting the minimum occupancy threshold at either 90 or 180 days, based on the recommendations submitted. The latter would mean any property that is not occupied for more than half the year would be liable for the vacant homes tax. In that scenario, many instances of infrequent occupancy of a property would be subject to the tax. This would unfairly penalise property owners who have understandable reasons for not occupying their homes on a full-time basis. These include situations such as where people are working away from their homes.

We all know people who may have to take the first flight out on a Monday morning because they are working in London or elsewhere in the UK and come back on a Friday evening. Their properties would fall under that definition. We all know sales reps who are on the road and leave on a Monday and get back on a Thursday night or Friday. Their properties would also fall within that situation. Some people have caring responsibilities for an individual who is not well and during the course of a year they may stay a number of nights in the other person's house. Their home may not be occupied in that situation. Therefore, it would be wrong to introduce a tax on people when they stay with an elderly relative, neighbour or a person for whom they have a caring duty.

In addition to penalising vacancy with understandable reasons, taxing vacancy at this level would not support the tax policy rationale of increasing housing supply. Such properties are not the intended target of the new tax as they are not likely to be made available for sale or rent. The purpose of the tax is not to raise revenue or penalise owning additional properties but to incentivise bringing such properties that are genuinely unoccupied back into use. By contrast, where a property is in use as a dwelling for less than 30 days in a 12-month period, consideration should be given to whether the property could be put to greater use. It is appropriate to apply a tax on vacancy as a means to encourage owners to bring such properties into residential use.

Regarding derelict properties, the vacant homes tax seeks to target properties that are habitable and ready to be occupied quickly. Accordingly, VHT would be applied to properties that are residential properties for the purposes of local property tax, that is properties that are suitable for use as a dwelling. In this way, the tax targets properties that could be put to greater use with immediate effect as well as allowing for simpler administration and for the tax to be implemented quickly by Revenue. A site may be deemed not liable for local property tax due to being unsuitable for use as a dwelling, or uninhabitable as the case may be. Revenue has a clear definition of what it deems "habitable" to be.

In developing a new tax, an important consideration is simplicity. It is important to ensure the tax is easy to understand and administer. This is why the Minister chose to set the rate of the vacant homes tax at a multiple of a property’s base local property tax charge, as the LPT system is well understood at this stage. Everybody understands it and they know, in relation to this particular tax, they can multiple the charge by three. While Senators Higgins and Ruane recommend the Department considers a variable rate of vacant homes tax, price growth and rent increases do not take place evenly nationwide. We could have variations from county to county, between regions within counties, or urban areas versus rural areas within counties. That would make the whole situation difficult to manage and would not achieve the effect of collecting the tax as an incentive to encourage people to make sure their house is not left vacant when it could otherwise be made habitable.

With regard to the definition of "market rent" for the purposes of this tax, section 96 of the Bill refers to the definition provided in section 24 of the Residential Tenancies Act. In short, "market rent" in this context means the rent that a new, willing tenant would give and that which a willing landlord would accept for the occupation of a vacant dwelling. The Senator has referred to this specifically. The decision to use the definition of "market rent" in the Residential Tenancies Act 2004 for VHT purposes was deliberate. A clear and consistent understanding of the term avoids confusion. It would not be right to have one definition in the Residential Tenancies Act 2004 and to have a different definition in the Finance Bill. That is one of the reasons we want to ensure the tax is easily understood so people can, on a self-assessment basis, work out what is due without having to get professional advice.

For the variety of reasons I have mentioned, I do not intend to accept the recommendation proposed by the Senators.

I note the examples provided by the Minister of State would not fall under the 90- or 180-day thresholds. It is not about those who are commuting or are out of the house for two or three days per week because the standard to be set is that there would be electricity to the house and a person literally dwelling there. It does not state that a person must physically sit in the house all day long. It is a matter of saying that it needs to be an occupied property and not a vacant property. The Minister of State's examples are not pertinent in this regard. However, what is pertinent is the many examples of empty, corporate properties that are theoretical corporate lets that may or may not be rented.

I appreciate the Minister of State plans to review this. I expect and hope this can be done before the next budget because I am concerned this tax as designed will not be effective as it should be and there are far too many loopholes and exemptions.

As it is now 3.35 p.m., I am required to put the following question in accordance with the order of the Seanad of this day: "That recommendation No. 11 is hereby negatived; Fourth Stage is hereby completed; the Bill is hereby received for final consideration; and the Bill is hereby returned to the Dáil."

Question put:
The Seanad divided: Tá, 25; Níl, 11.

  • Ahearn, Garret.
  • Ardagh, Catherine.
  • Burke, Paddy.
  • Buttimer, Jerry.
  • Byrne, Malcolm.
  • Byrne, Maria.
  • Carrigy, Micheál.
  • Casey, Pat.
  • Cassells, Shane.
  • Conway, Martin.
  • Craughwell, Gerard P.
  • Crowe, Ollie.
  • Currie, Emer.
  • Davitt, Aidan.
  • Dolan, Aisling.
  • Gallagher, Robbie.
  • Hackett, Pippa.
  • Kyne, Seán.
  • Lombard, Tim.
  • McGahon, John.
  • McGreehan, Erin.
  • Murphy, Eugene.
  • O'Reilly, Pauline.
  • O'Sullivan, Ned.
  • Seery Kearney, Mary.

Níl

  • Boyhan, Victor.
  • Boylan, Lynn.
  • Flynn, Eileen.
  • Gavan, Paul.
  • Higgins, Alice-Mary.
  • Hoey, Annie.
  • Moynihan, Rebecca.
  • Ó Donnghaile, Niall.
  • Sherlock, Marie.
  • Wall, Mark.
  • Warfield, Fintan.
Tellers: Tá, Senators Seán Kyne and Robbie Gallagher; Níl, Senators Paul Gavan and Niall Ó Donnghaile.
Question declared carried.
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