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SELECT COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC ENTERPRISE AND TRANSPORT debate -
Wednesday, 23 Jan 2002

Vol. 4 No. 2

Radiological Protection (Amendment) Bill, 1998 [Seanad]: Committee Stage (Resumed).

I draw the attention of members to the revised list of amendments which has been circulated and is distinguished from the previous list by today's date which appears on the bottom right hand corner. The revised list contains all the amendments which had been before the committee in 1999, the additional amendments submitted by the Minister and the duplicate amendments submitted by Deputy Higgins which have been renumbered for the convenience of members. With regard to the amendments which had been ruled out of order, the numbers of amendments Nos. 1 and 2 remain unchanged while original amendments Nos. 15, 16 and 18 correspond with amendments Nos. 17, 18 and 20, respectively, on the revised list.

The only item on the agenda is the resumed Committee Stage of the Radiological Protection (Amendment) Bill, 1998, of which sections 1, 3 and 4 were disposed of on 21 July 1999, on which date consideration of section 2 was postponed. We resume today with that section.

Let me speak briefly before we discuss section 2. I had intended to propose a number of amendments today, but for procedural reasons it is not possible to do so. They concern the introduction of a grants scheme to assist householders to carry out remediation works to houses which have an unacceptably high level of radon gas. I propose to bring them before the House on Report Stage, in advance of which my officials will make arrangements in order that members of the committee will see the amendments in good time.

I thank the Minister of State. The issue of radon gas is one of great concern. Giving members advance notice of the amendments is appreciated.

Has the Minister of State determined the level of the grants and to whom they will apply?

The structure of the grants has been fully prepared and the level has also been decided. The grants will apply all round.

Will the amount be approximately £800 or £1,000?

It would not be appropriate to publish the details at present. We are very close to making an announcement. I would appreciate the co-operation of Deputy Higgins and other members in order that matters can be expedited and the information made public as soon as possible.

The Minister of State is guaranteed that co-operation, provided the grants are high enough.

The money is in place. That is the most important thing. The preparatory work on the structure of the grants has been done. The legislation is purely to allow the Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland to administer the scheme.

We all know of the anxiety of the Minister of State and Deputy Higgins. Sections 1, 3 and 4 have already been disposed of.

SECTION 2.

Amendment No. 1 is out of order. Amendment No. 2 is also out of order in that it involves a potential charge on the Exchequer. As amendment No. 20 is consequential, it also falls. Deputy Sargent is not present to move amendment No. 3 which cannot be moved in his absence.

Amendments Nos. 1 to 3, inclusive, not moved.

I move amendment No. 4:

In page 3, lines 17 to 35, and in page 4, lines 1 to 20, to delete paragraph (b) and substitute the following:

"(b) by insertion of the following subsection after subsection (4):

'(4A) Where the Institute has, in accordance with subsection (4) (as amended by the Radiological Protection (Amendment) Act 2002) of this section, attached a condition to a licence, the person to whom such licence has been granted shall comply with that condition.’.”.

The text of section 2(b) provides for an amendment to section 30 of the Radiological Protection Act, 1991. It was proposed to insert sections 4A and 4B so as to ensure that only practitioners meeting criteria set down by the Department of Health and Children, primarily doctors and dentists, would be licensed by the RPII to use X-ray apparatus for medical diagnostic purposes. The circumstances leading to the inclusion of this part of section 2(b) and the proposed amendment of the section are pretty complicated. I do not want to waste time with a long drawn out history of the provision, but put very simply the text was incorporated into the Bill in an effort to deal with an apparent anomaly in legislation administered by my Department and the Department of Health and Children concerning the position of chiropractors and the use of X-ray equipment. In effect, paragraphs (b) and (c) represented an interim measure pending the introduction of more comprehensive legislation by the Department of Health and Children.

Colleagues will be aware that the last time we discussed the Bill in committee in July 1999 concerns were expressed all round on behalf of the Irish Chiropractors Association which resulted in the deferral of any decision on section 2. At that time it was anticipated that chiropractors' concerns and those of the Department of Health and Children would be resolved, but these issues and concerns have proved more complicated than first advised. Whereas the provisions of section 2 seek to deal with one issue that issue is an element in broader important policy issues concerning public health, safety and the regulation of practitioners offering various forms of therapeutic treatment by persons who are not medical practitioners.

These are not issues which I, as Minister of State with responsibility for the regulation of radioactive and other dangerous substances, can resolve. By coincidence of circumstances an attempt to deal with one of them led to the deferral of the Bill in which other issues are also addressed. There is also a need to provide for a grants scheme to facilitate those whose homes are affected by undesirable levels of radon gas in order that they may undertake remediation works. For very good and sound procedural reasons I cannot bring forward details of the proposed scheme today. We cannot progress work in this important area if the Bill continues to be held up while complex issues outside our remit are being resolved elsewhere.

I am advised that the Minister for Health and Children will shortly be in a position to effect the transposition by means of regulations under the medical exposures directive. The proposed regulations will replace the Medical Ionising Radiation Regulations, 1988. In the meantime, for the reasons I have outlined, I do not propose to proceed with the original proposal contained in section 2 of the Bill to insert sections 4A and 4B into the principal Act.

My officials have been in contact with the Irish Chiropractors Association which accepts the need for us to proceed in this fashion. In the circumstances, if my amendments Nos. 4 and 12 are accepted, I assume amendments Nos. 5 to 9, inclusive, and Nos. 13 to 16, inclusive, will not be proceeded with.

Amendment agreed to.
Amendments Nos. 5 to 11, inclusive, not moved.

I move amendment No. 12:

In page 6, to delete lines 31 to 52.

Amendment agreed to.
Amendments Nos. 13 to 16, inclusive, not moved.
Section 2, as amended, agreed to.
Amendments Nos. 17 and 18 not moved.
Sections 3 and 4 agreed to.
NEW SECTION.

I move amendmentNo. 19:

In page 9, before section 5, to insert the following new section:

"5.-Section 7(2)(b)(ii) of the Principal Act (as amended by section 26 of the Energy (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1995) is hereby amended by the deletion of ’or dental’ and the substitution therefore of ’,dental or other ’.”.

Under section 40(1)(a) and (b) inserted by the Radiological Protection (Amendment) Act, 1998, or this Bill a person may be prosecuted by the Minister or the institute. We are seeking to insert a new subsection to broaden the scope of the Bill.

Is that not very open-ended?

It possibly is. Does the Minister of State have any comment to make?

Deputy Higgins's amendment proposes to amend section 7 of the principal Act which sets out the functions of the Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland. Subsection (2)(b)(ii) requires the institute to ensure a radioactive substance device or instrument is properly calibrated and maintained to enable a medical or dental practitioner to achieve the maximum degree of accuracy and safety where the substance, device or instrument is used for the benefit of an individual patient. The issue of whether persons other than dental or medical practitioners should be permitted to use such potentially dangerous equipment is a matter for the Minister for Health and Children. As I stated already, the regulations being prepared by the Department of Health and Children are at an advanced stage. I am advised that they will provide for the establishment from time to time by the Minister for Health and Children of registers of practitioners in addition to medical and dental practitioners. The competence of persons using radioactive substances, devices or instruments will be carefully regulated.

The proposed amendment would adversely affect the regulation made by the Minister for Health and Children of practitioners who may use x-ray and similar equipment. Therefore, I cannot accept the amendment.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

Amendment No. 20 was deemed out of order.

Amendment No. 20 not moved.
Section 5 agreed to.
Title agreed to.
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