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Dáil Éireann debate -
Friday, 4 Jun 1937

Vol. 67 No. 14

Committee on Finance. - Executive Powers (Consequential Provisions) Bill, 1937—Money Resolution.

I move:

That it is expedient to authorise such Charges on the Central Fund or the growing produce thereof and such payments out of moneys provided by the Oireachtas as are necessary to give effect to any Act of the present session to make divers amendments of the law which are consequential on or have been rendered necessary or expedient by the amendments of the Constitution effected by the Constitution (Amendment No. 27) Act, 1936, and to make special provision in relation to the last holder of the office of Governor-General."

I rise to oppose this motion because this is a motion which deals with the making of special provision in relation to the last holder of the office of Governor-General. We object to giving a large sum of money and to endowing the last holder of the office of Governor-General with a pension of £500 a year. I venture to think that this is one of the most extraordinary and one of the most audacious attempts —and I hope it will proceed no further than an attempt—ever made to endow an ex-follower of a political Party now in power with a pension for life, a pension which he has not earned by any service whatever. It is going back to a very old and very bad system. I suppose that there are few members in this House who are not familiar with the history of the Irish Parliament prior to the Union. I suppose that there are very few members in this House who are not aware that the Government of that day exercised its power largely through the distribution of patronage, which consisted in giving sinecure offices and pensions out of the Civil List. It was largely because of the exercise of that power of giving sinecures and of endowing political followers with pensions that that Parliament was brought into the disrepute into which it subsequently fell. It was through methods such as that that the Union was passed. We are getting back to that old system. I want to say that when a member of the Executive Council loses his post in the Executive Council and, because the Seanad is dissolved, gets a high post in the Civil Service, if that is not exactly a sinecure, it is getting perilously near to being one, and certainly it is unjust to the other civil servants. But here you have got a pension naked and unashamed. You are giving a pension for no other reason than the fact that while he was a member of this House he was a faithful follower of the Fianna Fáil Party. No other reason can be alleged.

Mr. Buckley was appointed to the post of Governor-General by His Majesty the King on the recommendation of the Executive Council. We were told in this House—and, I presume, correctly and truly told—that by a fixed agreement he was to receive a salary of £2,000 a year. He was also to be given the right to inhabit a suburban residence somewhere, I think, in the vicinity of Blackrock. I am not quite sure where the residence was. Those were the terms of his appoinment. Mr. Buckley had lost his seat in Kildare. His merits for this post of Governor-General seem to have been that he had voted faithfully with his Party while he was a member of this House. The people of his constituency having grown weary of him and having selected another person to represent them in the Dáil, this provision was made for him by the Executive Council. That seems to have been the sole reason why Mr. Buckley was selected for the post of Governor-General of this State. His salary was fixed, and on those terms Mr. Buckley entered into office. There were other terms, of course, We know that Mr. Buckley was appointed on condition that he never showed himself in public. Mr. Buckley was appointed on condition that he took no part in any State functions or in any State affairs. Mr. Buckley was appointed on condition that he lived the life of a hermit, the life of a recluse, and that nobody would be aware of his existence.

The sole function that he performed during his term of office was the signing of certain Bills sent up by the Oireachtas for his signature. I should say that, roughly, he signed about 50 Bills per annum during his four years of office. That would be something like 200 times he wrote his signature and, as a reward for writing his signature some 200 times, he received £8,000 in cash. He had nothing else to do. There was no entertaining; there was no acting as social head of the State, as he was supposed to act. He was living the life of a recluse. I do not know whether, when the Clerk of the Dáil brought Mr. Buckley up those various Bills for signature, he was allowed to see Mr. Buckley, or whether Mr. Buckley resided in his suburban residence as much under President de Valera's lettre de cachet or as much concealed from the public eye as the famous Man in the Iron Mask was concealed from the public eye under the lettre de cachet of Louis XIV. But there he was, receiving his £2,000 a year, and not showing himself or not being allowed to show himself or enter into the social life at all. Why, that man's £2,000 a year must have been £2,000 clear to pocket; £2,000 a year to be banked up; £2,000 a year to fall back on as a nice little nest-egg when his term of office was over. Surely one might say that Mr. Buckley in Blackrock had just as much chance or just as much opportunity of expending money as had St. Anthony in the desert. He was living the life of a hermit, and possibly, carrying it out to the full, living the life of an anchorite also. Anyhow, he was there in his complete seclusion, having nothing to do with his money except to bank it up for the happy period when his office would come to an end, and he could live for the rest of his life in comfort on his savings.

But what do we discover here? He is going to get something more. He is going to receive some £2,000 in hard cash. That is what we are being asked to vote for here. Why is he to receive £2,000 in hard cash? There can be no reason. His office is terminated. He had undertaken, I will not say to perform the duties of his office, but he had undertaken to be a titular Governor-General for the sum of £2,000 a year. The office was abolished. Nobody had guaranteed or nobody could guarantee or nobody had the power to guarantee that the office would last for five years, or that he would remain the occupant of the office for five years. Any other Executive Council coming into office during that period of five years could have advised His Majesty to remove Mr. Buckley, just as President de Valera advised His Majesty to remove Mr. McNeill. There was no contract of any kind. We were told here in this House that £2,000 was what he was to receive; that £2,000 was what he had agreed to take. Why is he getting a gratuity of £2,000? So far we have no explanation from the Government Benches. We had eulogies of Mr. Buckley. I am not concerned with Mr. Buckley personally. Assuming the eulogies are deserved what has that to do with this matter? The question for the House is: did Mr. Buckley, because he filled the office of Governor-General, receive to the last farthing every sum of money he agreed to take? Did he receive to the full the salary for which he agreed to fill the office? Why is he to receive £2,000 as a free gift from the pockets of the Irish ratepayers? But this goes further. It does not stop there. Mr. Buckley is to receive a pension of, roughly, £10 a week for the rest of his life. Why is that? What reason can there be for that? There was never any talk of the office of Governor-General being a pensionable office when Mr. Buckley was appointed; nor could it have been made a pensionable office by the Executive Council when Mr. Buckley was appointed. Only the Dáil could have made it a pensionable office.

Now we are asked, retrospectively, to make the office which Mr. Buckley received upon one set of terms, a pensionable office, and that Mr. Buckley should receive £500 a year—approximately £10 a week for the rest of his life—as a reward. For what? As a reward for doing nothing. As a reward for occupying a post and, by agreement, doing no work when he occupied it. We have pensionable offices in this State, but we are going back to a very old principle and to a very bad principle, when we start giving pensions when no work was done. There are pensions for civil servants, for national teachers, for civic guards and for the Army. That is right. Civil servants work in their offices, the teachers have taught during their term, Guards have been policing the country while active members of the Guards, and soldiers have offered and have been willing to fight for their country. In these cases pensions are given to men who worked until the period for work had passed. But Mr. Buckley is not a person who should ever receive a pension for doing nothing, at least in this country, where pensions have been payable for 150 years. We are asked here solemnly to vote the sum of £10 a week to Mr. Buckley for life as a reward for doing nothing. For what reason? I see none except that Mr. Buckley always was a very faithful supporter of the Government Party.

Of course, this opens up a delightful prospect. I am sure every member of the Fianna Fáil Party will vote for this motion with a heart and a half. There are elections coming on. The same fate that befell Mr. Buckley in Kildare might befall other Fianna Fáil members in other constituencies. Then they will be eligible for free gifts of £2,000, and eligible for pensions of £500 a year, because they will have done precisely the same thing as Mr. Buckley did to deserve £2,000 and £500 a year; they went up for constituencies in the Fianna Fáil interests and were beaten. I am sure some of the Fianna Fáil people hope that they may be some of the happy persons to be selected for treatment in the same generous and kindly fashion, and that they will vote willingly for this motion. But how about the persons who think they are custodians and trustees for the people, who think it is their duty to look after the people's money, and not to vote it away to any man, not as a reward for services, not as payment for work done, and not as a pension for work done after work has been completed, but as a free, voluntary, gratuitous gift? If this House does not think that a proper principle, and that free gifts should be made to individuals, the House should not vote for the motion. This Bill and the Bill which follows it is, to my mind, one of the very first examples of the evils which we prophesied would inevitably come to this State if we were to have Single Chamber Government.

This is not a Money Bill, and could not be so certified, I submit, as there are other provisions in it besides the gratuity to Mr. Buckley. Does anybody think that if a Bill like this came before the Seanad it would be passed? Because we have Single Chamber Government, and because there is no check upon the majority in this House, we are faced with this position, that a majority can come in and vote away public money as a reward to an ex-supporter of their Party, and, I daresay, a personal friend of a great many of them. That is not the way in which public finance should be looked after. It is my submission to the House— and I have weighed my words very carefully—that the only way in which this motion can be described, and the only way a Bill founded upon it can be described is as a shocking financial scandal. It is that the House is asked to vote for. I daresay the motion will be carried. I am sure it will be carried. Then we will have this terrible precedent set up for future Parliaments anxious to vote away to their political supporters Government funds, or anxious to endow their political supporters or personal friends out of public funds. We will have this Act, when it becomes law, cited as a precedent and, if at any time people in this House denounce any Bill voting gratuities out of the public purse to individuals who have done no work to deserve them, it will be pointed out that under the venal administration of President de Valera such venal acts could be done. It will, therefore, be an excuse for similar venality in the hands of a Government actuated by the same want of public principle as the present Government.

The word "venal" is not a parliamentary expression.

I meant venality in a future Government. If I have used any words which you, Sir, think are not in accordance with the rules of the House, I withdraw them.

Coming from a constituency that contains more of the poorer element than perhaps any other constituency on the western seaboard, I think I should raise my voice in protest against this scandalous Bill. We had very high-sounding phrases spoken in this House yesterday about public morality. Here we have the very antithesis of public morality. I never thought I would see the day when public morality in this country would have fallen to such a low standard that a Bill of this kind would be introduced into an Irish Parliament We are going to pass a sum of £500 per annum and to give a lump sum as a year's salary in lieu of notice to Mr. Donal Ua Buachalla for his services. To what? Not to the State and not to the country, but simply because, in the lowest possible degree, he allowed himself to be made a door-mat for President de Valera on which he might wipe his feet; in order that he might be used to degrade a position which up to the time he occupied it was, at all events, a position of dignity and carried some degree of respect. He was brought in to degrade that position, and to demean and degrade himself.

Personal reflections on the ex-Governor-General should not be made. The Deputy is following an undesirable line.

I do not desire that my remarks should be offensive in the slightest degree. I am dealing with him as a dignitary filling a position in a public capacity, and I do not think the position I am criticising should be above criticism. It is the position itself I want to get at. At the same time, the House will remember that this country was plunged into turmoil over the taking of an oath which was described as being of a nebulous kind and sometimes described as an empty formula.

That does not arise.

Here we have the case of a man who takes a personal oath to the King—this gentleman with his 1916 history and 1916 antecedents. I do not want to dwell on this too long. I simply rose to complain that it will be nice reading for the poor starving people of the western end of my constituency that we are passing this pension of £500 a year and £2,000 in a lump sum I will give an instance of the conditions of life in which some of those people have to live. I was passing through the northern part of Beare a week ago, and I met a man—

This Bill may not be used as an opportunity for reviewing social or economic conditions in the various constituencies in the country.

It is the poor people who are living on half a crown a week home assistance who will read this who are going to ask what sort of Government we are standing for here.

You are not standing for them.

If this House passes this it will have to accept the disgrace for it and, as members of the House, we cannot altogether dissociate ourselves from that disgrace no matter how strongly we may oppose it. I do not wish to enter into any further discussion on the matter. I have made my protest on behalf of the poor people of the country. I think this thing is going to live in history as one of the most disgraceful episodes in any Parliamentary life. It is a thing that, in its reactions, will be pursued with vengeance against the Party and the Government that introduced it and are going to pass it and shove it down our throats and the throats of the people of the country in spite of our protest.

Deputies who have spoken tried to blind themselves to what are the real facts of this matter. If the Government wished the day before the Governor-General ceased to hold office, they could allow him to draw the full salary and the full emoluments of this office without coming to this Dáil at all. We have people talking about the scandalous position. On the last day it was mentioned by Deputy Fitzgerald that £6,000 of the sum paid to the previous Governor-General was free of income-tax.

The President pointed out that there was an allowance of £7,500 free of income-tax given to the previous Governor-General. I suppose we will be told that it was for entertainment, and I suppose the entertainment was free of tax. I do not know what the entertainment was and it does not matter to the country what it was. I do not know what service the entertainment for which £7,500 was allowed was to the country. But that was the position. It did not even come before the Public Accounts Committee that there was an allowance of £7,500 free of income-tax from 9th April, 1930. These are the people who talk about the scandalous and disgraceful thing which is being done now. These are the people who have the cheek to get up and brazen this out about the scandalous thing that is being done and the nice reading it is for the country. There was no protest and no inquiry about the entertainment that was given formerly and the value of that entertainment. I do not know what it was, and nobody, I think, took much interest in it. Anyway, this allowance of £7,500 was given for entertainment. What benefit did it bring to the country? Or what did it consist of? We do not know.

We are told about the recent occupant of that office—that he kept himself away. Perhaps even from the national point of view that he was trying to have carried out he did better service that way and gave better value to the country than the £7,500 people who were supposed to give this entertainment. People talk about the scandal of this and so on. From the Fine Gael Benches they talk as if there were never any gratuities or pensions given. Deputy Fitzgerald hinted about somebody in the Seanad who was entitled to be reinstated in the service, as if that was a job. The people of the country have not such short memories and they know perfectly well that men who were in the Army and otherwise—some of them occupying seats on the opposite benches—men who had full salary when serving in the Army, got gratuities, and some of them allowances and some of them pensions. Some of them also got positions afterwards. We are told that they served the country. Mr. Buckley served his country, according to his lights, and according to our lights, as well as anybody who got any of these gratuities or anything else. Mr. Buckley may be criticised for getting this. We may be asked to give an explanation as to why £2,000 should now be made available for him. If Mr. Buckley thought more of himself and less of the country, and was in the position in which some of the people on the opposite benches were, in times of strain and stress and trouble in this country, of looking after themselves and not bothering about the country, then perhaps it would not be necessary for us to come to this House with a Bill of this kind.

I explained on the Second Reading of the Bill that this £2,000 seemed to be only a reasonable amount for a man who had saved this country all the money he had during the four years he occupied the office. £2,000 to set him up in a house and £500 for the remaining years of his life, knowing the stage of life he is at, seems a very small allowance for a man who has given the service to the country that he has. The people who got the gratuities I have referred to were young men when they got them and they were able to go out and make a living for themselves. Nobody can suggest that Mr. Buckley, at this stage of life is able to go out and make a living for himself. If he kept himself in the background, he did it because of the deliberate policy of the Government that he should occupy that position and remain in that position. It was not with any very good will that Mr. Buckley took that position. He took it because he was asked by the President to take the position. It was not through any looking for it on his part—far from it! it was the direct opposite.

I think that if Deputies opposite and Deputies on the other benches who may be opposing this would ask themselves that question they could only give one answer to satisfy themselves that Mr. Buckley never looked for this position, that he was not anxious for it and was, in fact, anxious to avoid taking it. He was put in that position because it suited our policy, and he served in that position because it was the policy of the Executive Council. It is the duty of the Executive Council and of the country in whose services he has acted, according to that policy which he has carried out, to make this small necessary provision for him. Do Deputies want to have this Bill withdrawn? Do Deputies want the position that he would be entitled to claim this money? I do not say that he would go. I am, however, quite certain that he would be entitled to it in any court.

Was not his contract that he was to receive £2,000 a year? Why should he receive more?

What contract?

Did he not enter into a contract with the Executive Council to receive £2,000?

The Deputy does not know what he is talking about.

Was it not announced to the House that he was to receive only £2,000 a year?

Surely the Deputy knows what a contract is?

Does the Deputy suggest that there was any documentary evidence of that contract?

I do not, but when honourable men enter into an agreement——

The Deputy is now talking about a moral contract.

I am talking about an honourable contract between honourable men.

Was not the salary voted by this House £10,000? Was not that the salary? Then we have Deputies talking about enforcing a contract. There is no enforcing of this contract. The salary of £10,000 a year was voted by this House during the four years he held the office and if Domhnall Ua Buachalla wished to do so he could insist on that £10,000 a year being paid to him and Deputy Fitzgerald-Kenney knows that.

Well, then, it was agreed here the last day. I have no doubt that Mr. Buckley would not enforce that contract. I know he would not, but it is the duty of the Executive Council, for whom he has acted, and in the interest of the country he served, that this provision should be made for him. Mr. Buckley took upon himself a very difficult position. In the interests of the country, and in the national interests of the people, this provision should be made for him. It is the duty of the Dáil, and it is the duty of the country, to make such provision as is absolutely necessary for Mr. Buckley to have made for him, so that he may have some provision for the rest of his life. He was not in a position while he served his country to make any provision for himself. The Executive Council are now making that provision, and it is their duty to do so.

I do not understand all this pother about the gratuity and pension being awarded to Domhnall Ua Buachalla, because I believe we are hastening very fast indeed to the end of our financial resources. I believe that if Gilbert and Sullivan were alive to-day they would have provided for them here a most wonderful theme for the display of their genius, and in collaboration on that theme they would have been able to hand their names down to posterity as the greatest collaborateurs ever known. I have, on former occasions, given expression to my views on this matter of pensions. I feel that where services have been rendered, whether by men in the Army, or men on board our own Navy, the Muirchú, they should be entitled to adequate compensation for any disabilities arising or accruing from services rendered. I have always felt in relation to Army service that where a woman has lost her husband or son or one on whom she was dependent for a livelihood, she should be compensated for that loss, no matter on which side men fought. But we should cry "halt" some time or other, and there should be some finality to these pensions.

As far as I can gather there must have been between 2,000 and 3,000 men fighting during the rebellion in the Post Office. I do not know the floor space of the old Post Office, but judging from the applications sent in by men who claimed they fought there, it is difficult to understand how the place was able to contain them all. But all these people were volunteers simply and solely. They were men who, at that time, claimed they did not look for any reward for themselves for military service. One feels that in comparison with the numbers who fought in that Post Office army, Napoleon's grand army fades into insignificance. It does, indeed, compared with the number of persons we have in this country tumbling over each other looking for pensions. I suggest that all this pother about a pension for Domhnall Ua Buachalla should once and for all come to an end. One sometimes feels that some day we will have military pensions for the whole population and the financial resources of the country will then go wallop. We have heard a good deal about "Erin go bragh." I can envisage a time coming when we will see big public processions and demonstrations where, instead of "Erin go bragh" on the banners, we will have inscribed "Eire for Pensions."

Question put.
The Committee divided: Tá, 44; Níl, 25.

  • Aiken, Frank.
  • Allen, Denis.
  • Bartley, Gerald.
  • Boland, Gerald.
  • Bourke, Daniel.
  • Brady, Seán.
  • Browne, William Frazer.
  • Carty, Frank.
  • Concannon, Helena.
  • Corkery, Daniel.
  • Crowley, Timothy.
  • Derrig, Thomas.
  • De Valera, Eamon.
  • Donnelly, Eamonn.
  • Fogarty, Andrew.
  • Gibbons, Seán.
  • Goulding, John.
  • Harris, Thomas.
  • Hayes, Seán.
  • Kehoe, Patrick.
  • Kelly, James Patrick.
  • Kilroy, Michael.
  • Kissane, Eamonn.
  • Little, Patrick John.
  • MacEntee, Seán.
  • Maguire, Ben.
  • Moane, Edward.
  • Moore, Séamus.
  • Moylan, Seán.
  • Neilan, Martin.
  • O Briain, Donnchadh.
  • O Ceallaigh, Seán T.
  • O'Grady, Seán.
  • O'Reilly, Matthew.
  • Pearse, Margaret Mary.
  • Ruttledge, Patrick Joseph.
  • Ryan, James.
  • Ryan, Martin.
  • Ryan, Robert.
  • Sheridan, Michael.
  • Smith, Patrick.
  • Traynor, Oscar.
  • Victory, James.
  • Ward, Francis C.

Níl

  • Anthony, Richard.
  • Beckett, James Walter.
  • Corish, Richard.
  • Cosgrave, William T.
  • Desmond, William.
  • Dillon, James M.
  • Dolan, James Nicholas.
  • Doyle, Peadar S.
  • Fitzgerald-Kenney, James.
  • Hogan, Patrick (Clare).
  • Keating, John.
  • Keyes, Michael.
  • MacDermot, Frank.
  • McFadden, Michael Og.
  • McGovern, Patrick.
  • Minch, Sydney B.
  • Morrisroe, James.
  • Morrissey, Daniel.
  • Mulcahy, Richard.
  • Nally, Martin.
  • Norton, William.
  • O'Neill, Eamonn.
  • O'Sullivan, John Marcus.
  • Pattison, James P.
  • Reidy, James.
Tellers: Tá, Deputies Little and Smith; Níl, Deputies Doyle and O'Neill.
Question declared carried.
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