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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 17 Apr 1947

Vol. 105 No. 6

Committee on Finance. - Adjournment Debate—Leix Farmers' Losses.

At Question Time to-day I asked the Minister for Agriculture.

"if he is aware that farmers in the Wolfhill, Timahoe, Doonane and Killeshin areas, Leix, are in a serious plight, as they have lost almost all their live stock through disease; if he will state whether the veterinary section of his Department have caused this area to be inspected and the nature of the disease reported upon; also, the date on which his Department received notice of the circumstances that had arisen in this area, and the date of the inspection; and if he will further state what action it is proposed to take to obviate further losses of this kind, whether advice and assistance will be given by the veterinary section, and what compensation will be made available to those who have suffered these serious losses."

The Minister replied:—

"I am aware that there have been losses of live stock in the areas mentioned in the Deputy's question, and from reports furnished by agricultural and veterinary officers it would appear that these losses are due to malnutrition, and fluke infestation, aggravated, no doubt, by the recent severe weather.

I understand that to a great extent the affected animals are not at present in a condition to enable veterinary treatment to be given to them, but so far as this can be done I see no reason why the local veterinary practitioners should not be able to afford the necessary attention.

As previously indicated, I cannot undertake to compensate farmers in respect of losses of this kind."

It is with very deep regret that I am compelled to raise this matter on the adjournment to-night and to direct the attention of the Minister to the very serious plight of the farmers in that part of County Laoighis. The Minister and his advisers are aware that this area comprises wet late soils where there is very little tillage and where the living of the people is mainly from the rearing of young cattle, small-scale dairying and rearing of bonhams. Very little of the land is arable and such grain crops as are grown are usually small in extent and poor in yield and generally are used on the farms as foodstuffs.

Last November I directed the attention of the Minister for Agriculture at the time, Dr. Ryan, to the very serious plight those people would be in if the Department did not carry out an immediate investigation of their conditions and apply some remedy. On the 14th November the Minister, in reply to a supplementary question which I put to him, stated he would be prepared to investigate the question of the plight of the small farmers in the area if further information was placed at his disposal by the county committee of agriculture.

I may say that I have visited this area, like other Deputies, and have seen for myself the very serious circumstances of those people. They are all small farmers, the highest valuation in that whole district of County Laoighis being in the region of £56. The losses are very serious in the area, as they have lost practically all their live stock and their sole means of livelihood is gone. I can give an example of one constituent of mine, Andrew Murphy of Crossard, who had 15 cows. Seven of them are dead and I understand to-day that two more have died. A man named Wheatley in Wolfhill had seven cows and sold milk to the people in the district and all these seven cows are dead. Another farmer by the name of John Knowles of Crossard had four cows and was depending upon them for a livelihood. Three of them are dead and one is dying. John Coady of Aughadereen, Wolfhill, had seven cows. Four of them are dead and the remaining three are in poor condition. To-day I have been informed that the small farmers in the area have made application to the local industry to see if they can possibly secure a day's work or find employment in the local coal mines. The Laoighis County Committee of Agriculture have been very seriously and deeply interested in having some action taken to relieve the plight of those farmers. They made a request to the Department to take steps to have some of the available animal feeding, that is, maize, brought immediately into the areas of Wolfhill, Doonane, Tolerton and Killeshin, if the remaining live stock are not to perish as a result of hunger. They also made a request that a grant be given to enable those farmers to restock their lands. I put it very straight to the Minister: what hope have those small farmers of restocking their lands? They have gone out of business completely as their sole means of livelihood is gone. Here we find that, for the Government, the Minister has replied that he is not prepared to compensate those farmers who have suffered very serious losses and he is not prepared to give them any financial assistance to enable them to restock their lands. The county committee request, alternatively, if a grant could not be made available for that purpose, that a loan be given to those people, interest free for the first three or five years, to enable them to restock.

I want to point out to the Minister that I have a very intimate knowledge —like other Deputies from the constituency—of this area and the nearest foodstuffs available to which they can have recourse are 35 miles away. When they are available they are 18/-to 25/- a cwt., that is £18 to £25 a ton. Surely, if feeding-stuffs are available at that cost, they are out of the reach of these poor unfortunate small-holders and they are unable to secure them. As a result of this very serious plight, the people who work in the local coal mines, Fleming's Fire Clays in the Swan and children attending local schools and citizens generally of Wolfhill area are unable to obtain a pint of milk to-day. The morning I arrived in Wolfhill, to see conditions myself, I was told by one of the men I referred to who had seven cows, that he had to leave his house and borrow a cup of milk from a neighbour to colour his tea on Sunday morning and the neighbour in his generosity deprived his own child and family of the milk they needed. This is a case where the Government should take some action and come to the assistance of these people.

The Minister has the facts and statistics before him from the county committee of agriculture. He knows that in the area of the four townlands I mentioned—Wolfhill, Doonane, Killeshin and Tolerton—140 milch cows have died. Look at the loss of that. They have lost 250 yearlings, 120 two-year-olds, 40 heifers, 70 sheep and 54 lambs. The Government should take steps to aid those people in their deplorable plight and see that they are given some measure of compensation whereby they may be enabled to restock their lands. There was a meeting held recently in Wolfhill at which the following resolution was passed:—

"That owing to the losses suffered by the farmers in this area we request the Minister for Agriculture to examine our position with a view to devising means to enable us to earn our livelihood."

The local curate, the T.D.s, the members of the county council and of the county committee of agriculture all pledged their support to the just demand in that resolution. I hope the Minister will see fit to grant some measure of relief to these unfortunate people. If he does he will be rendering a great service to them and to other farmers throughout the country who have suffered similar losses. The Governments in Great Britain and in Northern Ireland have done that for their people, and a Minister is actually sponsoring a fund to receive subscriptions to help farmers in England and Northern Ireland to overcome their losses. The Minister at the other side has appealed to the people to subscribe generously to that fund. That is what is required here to enable our farmers to restock their land.

I have already indicated the big losses which these farmers have sustained through the death of their live stock. Not only the owners are affected by these deaths, but the working-class people in the area who are deprived of supplies of milk and butter. In fact, this has meant a great loss to the people of the country. Even at the present time cattle are dying in the area. The Department should provide a free veterinary service for these people. The Minister, in his reply, said the local veterinary surgeon would be able to cope with the work, but how could these unfortunate farmers pay for his services? There should be a veterinary surgeon sent there by the Minister. I hope he will be able to do something for people who have suffered such heavy losses, and that he will make a grant or a loan available for them. They have been deprived of their sole means of livelihood.

I would like to impress on the Minister that this outbreak of disease in the County of Laoighis is the greatest disaster that has affected that county in the last 100 years. The area referred to by Deputy Flanagan comprises three of the poorest parishes in that county. There is no town or village there. They are all small farmers and their land is not productive.

Their whole economy depended on the few live stock which each of them had. In that very limited area, over a period of weeks, 600 cattle and 300 sheep have died. I would imagine that if a disaster of that magnitude happened, even in a prosperous county, the Minister and every veterinary inspector in the Department would be on the spot promptly to see what measures could be taken to stop it. I remember that, in the time of the Minister's predecessor, when there was an outbreak of anthrax on a farm in Meath, one of the wealthiest counties in Ireland, within ten hours of the outbreak being notified every inspector in the Department was down there, the police in the county were mobilised and there was a complete standstill. The herds affected were slaughtered and full compensation paid for every beast slaughtered. That was done in order to stop the spread of the disease.

We are told that, in the case of this epidemic, the fluke is transmitted by the animal as long as it is carrying the infection in the liver. Those cattle are affecting the pasturage, so that other cattle will become affected. Every one of the farmers in this area is completely broken. Compensation per head lost may be entirely out of the question, so that what should be done, and what must be done in that area as a matter of national economy, is to make a rehabilitation grant to each of those farmers who have lost their all. The last Deputy has suggested an interest-free loan over a long term of years, but the position is that these people have neither cash nor credit, and if something is not done to put them on their feet again, their land will go back into rushes and bushes. In that situation the loss will be not only an individual loss but a loss to the county and the country as a whole. I know it is difficult to get extract of male fern here, but it can be got somewhere in the world. We have planes coming here from all parts, so that we ought to be able to procure it some place. If supplies can be got, then at least it will have the effect of stopping the infectivity if not making a complete cure. During the weeks that have passed supplies of it should have been made available in every shop at every crossroad. Because it is not available the disease is spreading, and any animals that are still staggering around are spreading the disease and the pasturage is becoming affected.

I think that a rather casual outlook has been adopted with regard to the tragedy that has occurred down there. The very least that should be done is to keep the people on their feet. This is a real tragedy for them, and sufficient funds should be made available to make it possible for them to remain in agriculture and for the people in the area to get the benefit of what they produce. By their farming efforts they have, for generations, reared up families there, but their position to-day is that everything they had is gone. They have neither credit nor capital to carry on their farming economy. They are in a state of desperation. The men are turning north, south, east and west looking for employment in an area where there is very little of it to be got. They are looking around to hire out their bodies in order to get a few shillings to keep their families in food. I doubt very much if the gravity of the situation, or the immensity of the disaster, is at all appreciated by the Minister and his Department. The loss of 600 cattle and 300 sheep in, say, one-fifth of a wealthy county would be a crippling loss, but a loss of that sort spread over three of the poorest parishes in Ireland is not just crippling —it is a complete and absolute disaster. Even if the disease ceased tomorrow and if the pasturage did not remain affected, every one of these farmers is finished as a farmer unless something exceptional, something big, is done to put them back on their feet.

I wish to support the representations made by the local people and the county committee of agriculture. The local people feel that in these exceptional and unprecedented circumstances they are entitled to as much consideration from their own native Government as that shown by the British Government towards British farmers in somewhat similar circumstances. I want to ask the Minister, first of all, has he received representations from the secretary of the local committee in this matter? What has he done in connection with the matter? Has he received a resolution from the county committee of agriculture, which was passed unanimously at a meeting of that committee and had the support of Deputy Gorry of the Fianna Fáil Party who gave an undertaking that he would go with his colleagues to discuss this matter with the Minister for Agriculture? Did the Minister receive a request from the local committee to receive a deputation of the local people accompanied by the five Deputies representing that particular constituency? Is it a fact that he agreed to meet the only available Fianna Fáil Deputy and, if so, for what reason?

This is the second occasion now—and both Deputy Flanagan and Deputy O'Higgins will confirm this—on which the Minister has taken up this attitude. I dare say the Deputies have read fairly recently in the Fianna Fáil journal in Offaly where we were supposed to have been summoned to meet the Minister in connection with the Banner situation. The circumstances there were almost identical with the present case. But the Minister, apparently after consultation with the Fianna Fáil Deputies, took up the same attitude as he has taken up now. If the Minister is going to pursue that attitude and deal with the grievances of the people only through his own Party members then, as far as I am concerned, I shall make no further representations to his Department. I shall raise every issue affecting my constituents in this House and he shall deal with them in this House if he is not prepared to adopt a different attitude.

Having listened to the speeches of both Deputy Flanagan and Deputy O'Higgins, one would be inclined to think that this problem was one which affected only the Wolfhill district in Laoghis. As I indicated in my reply earlier to-day, I am aware that severe losses have been suffered in that particular district, but these losses are not, unfortunately, confined to Wolfhill.

There are poor farmers in other parts of this island who have been just as adversely affected. There are many farmers affected whose valuations are not £56, as Deputy Flanagan is well aware. It is my duty to investigate the circumstances existing not only in Wolfhill but throughout the country generally. It is not my duty to investigate the circumstances in that district where the cry is loudest. It is my duty to ensure that any investigations carried out are carried out even in those districts where the cry is not so loud or the people so vociferous. It is my endeavour to get a complete picture of the situation all over and not merely in one district.

Last summer we had unfortunately very little sun; we had a great deal of rain. The hay crop we had was badly saved; some of it was not saved at all. Everybody in this House knows the handling our corn received because of weather conditions. Everybody who has any knowledge or experience in the raising and feeding of cattle knows that young stock, especially following on a wet summer, are liable to severe attacks of hoose. As a result of these attacks, their resistance is naturally lowered in the ensuing winter. This winter was one of the severest this country has suffered for many years. Our feeding stuffs were not up to normal standards because of the adverse summer conditions. Is it not only natural then to expect that the condition of our cattle at the present moment would be in a very low state indeed?

I am not at all satisfied, as Deputy O'Higgins would seem to be, that the farmers were not warned of these dangers by the Department. The farmers were in fact warned of the dangers to which their live stock were exposed as far back as last November. The farmers were warned of what was likely to happen. They were advised at the same time as to the treatment they should give their stock in the hope of easing somewhat the situation in which they now find themselves. I am not saying that if they had taken that advice and followed out the instructions they were given then losses would not have occurred, but I am drawing the attention of the House to the fact that the warning was given so that there could be an admission now that there was an appreciation of the dangers then.

Deputy Flanagan may know what has happened in some particular small area in Laoighis in which he happens to be interested. He may be quite competent to run off the number of cows, yearlings and two-year-olds that have died and the number of sheep that have been lost. Strange to say, I have not been able to find out from the officials of the county committees of agriculture, with the same ease, what has happened in the other counties. I have been trying to find out. I have been trying to get some statistics of the losses that have been sustained. Standing here now, I can say that a number of the reports I have received on this matter are, to my own knowledge, completely inaccurate. The Deputies will appreciate from that that it is not then such an easy matter. I know that it would be impossible for the officials to give a completely accurate picture.

Is the Minister insinuating that the officials have been intentionally inaccurate?

I am making a statement that I have here before me the figures supplied to me by the officials of the county committees of agriculture, and I know the figures to be inaccurate.

Does that apply to the present case?

I am talking about the general picture which I must have before I can make up my mind as to what the situation is which requires examination.

Has the Minister any report from Wicklow?

The Minister has something to say and he has very little time left in which to say it.

It has been suggested here that the British Government's invitation and the Northern Government's invitation to their farmers to appeal for funds on a pound for pound basis is a serious contribution and will prove a serious contribution to cover the losses sustained by the British and Northern Ireland farmers during the past winter. Any Deputy who wishes to regard that as a serious contribution is perfectly free to do so. I have to admit that, having seen that invitation when it was first issued and having watched the progress made since, I am completely satisfied that if the facts and the situation in one small district are such as have been described here by both Deputy Flanagan and Deputy O'Higgins such a contribution would go only a very short distance to meet the general situation all over the country. Does not every right-thinking person know that it would have no effect whatever? Does not every right-thinking person know that when one comes to work out such a scheme, with all the elaborate machinery which would be involved, there would be so little left as a result of such an appeal that it would prove in the end only a source of irritation and defeat itself by its own inanition? It would serve only as an added irritant to those unfortunate people who have suffered these grievous losses.

Time is running out now but I want the Deputies to understand that I am aware of the circumstances that exist. I have had reports in relation to this particular district in which Deputy Flanagan is so interested. I have reports from my own officials and I, therefore, know more about this whole matter in a more direct way than I know perhaps about some other districts. I know too that in some other areas substantial losses have occurred. I know that because of the low physical condition of our cattle at the present time we have not yet unfortunately seen the end of these losses.

In my position I shall naturally try to get as complete a picture as I can of the situation and to get that as quickly as I possibly can. If there is any way in which I can come to the assistance of those who have been affected by helping them to restock their lands I shall certainly give all claims made upon me the most sympathetic and careful consideration. This is not an easy matter with which to deal. It is not as easy as Deputy O'Higgins would seem to suggest. It would be a simple matter if one had to deal only with one isolated district covering a small area. If, for example, an outbreak of disease were to occur in some small area then one could hurl into that area nine or ten veterinary surgeons and cope with the situation there. But here we have to cover a much more extensive field of operations, reaching from Wicklow to Galway and from Cork to Donegal. Our cattle all over the country have been reduced to their present condition because of circumstances over which no human being had any control, and one cannot merely because of some desire produce an organisation competent to give assistance in the manner in which Deputy O'Higgins has suggested

I can assure the House now that I am very deeply interested in this matter and I shall carefully consider and weigh every proposal put forward to me and I shall give to all suggestions made to me careful and sympathetic consideration.

The Dáil adjourned at 10.30 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Friday, the 18th April, 1947.

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