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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 3 Mar 1949

Vol. 114 No. 6

Adjournment Debate. - Appointment of Auxiliary Postman.

I addressed a question to the Minister for Posts and Telegraphs yesterday about the appointment of an auxiliary postman in a place called Banemore, Listowel, County Kerry. The question I put to the Minister was a very simple one and required a simple answer. I am afraid the Minister did not give that simple answer and it is because I was not satisfied with the nature of the reply that I deem it my duty to raise the matter on the adjournment this evening. The question I put to the Minister was:

"To ask the Minister for Posts and Telegraphs if he will indicate the considerations that led to the discharge of Mr. Edmund O'Sullivan from the job of auxiliary postman at Banemore, Listowel, and the appointment of another man in his place."

The Minister's reply was as follows:

"Mr. O'Sullivan was temporarily employed on a vacant auxiliary postman position at Listowel pending a permanent appointment being made. His claim and qualifications were carefully considered with those of the other eight candidates nominated by the exchange authorities, but the circumstances did not admit of his selection. The most suitable candidate was appointed."

The most suitable candidate! The position is that a vacancy for an auxiliary postman occurred at Banemore nearly two years ago and at that time there were a good many applicants for the post including Mr. O'Sullivan who was afterwards appointed and also including the person who has been now appointed. I understand that in all these appointments certain considerations arise. In the first place, inquiries have had to be made as to whether the applicants have had service in any of the national forces during the emergency. The Minister told me yesterday, replying to a supplementary question, that that was still Government policy. The consideration also arises as to the applicant who is in receipt of the highest amount of unemployment assistance and, I hold that the Minister or his Department or whoever was responsible—and the Minister must be held responsible—did not act according to these considerations.

I understand that Mr. O'Sullivan, the man who was actually in the job, was, when he was appointed, the person who was in receipt of the highest amount of unemployment assistance. I have also here a letter from the postmaster to indicate that Mr. O'Sullivan had national service in the Defence Forces during the emergency although when I mentioned that yesterday in my supplementary question the Minister treated it with a certain amount of derision, because Mr. O'Sullivan had not very long service to his credit. In any case, the fact remains that he offered himself for service.

How long had he?

The fact remains that he offered himself for service and that he was prepared to serve and if he was not retained in the Army for a long period during the emergency that was not his fault.

How long had he?

You can ask the Minister that.

A Deputy

Had he a membership card?

The Minister treated this matter with derision yesterday. I have a communication here from the postmaster which reads as follows:

"I am directed to inform you that your services as auxiliary postman will not be required after the completion of duty on Saturday, 8th proximo. Your claims and qualifications for the vacant post were carefully considered with those of the other applicants but it is regretted that the circumstances did not admit of your selection. Your discharge certificates are returned herewith."

I have no personal interest in this matter whatever. What I am concerned about is that in this case the most deserving applicant would be selected. I had hoped that the most deserving applicant would be selected.

You are changing your wording now. Now you say the "most deserving."

Take the word "deserving" in any sense. This man had national service. He was in the job for a year and a half and he was dismissed. He was a married man with a family and he was the applicant who was in receipt of the highest amount of unemployment assistance.

Was he the most deserving two years ago?

He was. He was appointed two years ago because he was the most deserving.

You could not make a permanent appointment then.

He was the most deserving applicant and the applicant with the best qualifications. He was removed from this job to make room for another man who happens to be, for the time being, the secretary of the local labour branch.

That is not correct.

In other words, it was a pure political appointment and nothing else. We were told by the people opposite that we were getting clean administration down the country —this is an example of it. A man with a wife and family has been thrown out on the road to make room for the secretary of the local labour branch.

That is not correct.

It is correct. That is why I decided to raise the matter on the adjournment, to focus public opinion on these appointments because it is only right and proper that the most deserving applicant should be appointed in all these cases. I am not one of those who say that a person who is secretary of this branch or that branch should not be appointed. What we have to examine is, not the political affiliations of any candidate, but his qualifications for the post and then decide who is the most deserving applicant. I hope that in appointments of this nature in future, the appointment will be given to the most deserving applicant.

I am very sorry that Deputy Kissane should consider it necessary to introduce politics into this matter of a small job. It is not because a Deputy recommends a man to me for a job, because that man happens to be a member of a particular party, that I appoint him. I try in all these cases to give the job to the person I consider most deserving, irrespective of politics, just as this week I appointed a man who was recommended by the Deputy to another job, not because I believed he was a member of the Fianna Fáil Party, but simply because I believed he was the best candidate for the position. When the Deputy asked this question yesterday he spoke about unnecessary delay. There was unnecessary delay in this case. The matter remained undecided in my office for a very long time. My predecessor, realising the difficulties of appointing anybody to the office, left it for six months before I came into the office without coming to a decision.

Was that in connection with this appointment?

Yes. The case came before me. It was lying in the office, as my predecessor was unable to make up his mind about it. Probably, if he selected somebody there would also be a discussion on the matter here because there were eight other applicants for the position. I sent it back to find out had this man been in the National Army. I received a communication from the postmaster stating that he had lost his Army discharge but, from a very old discharge, he took it for granted that the man had given service in the National Army. Some delay then took place because I had to communicate with the Defence Department. I mentioned yesterday that the man absented himself. I want to be charitable, because this man may be seeking other employment. According to the Defence Department, he was in the Army. His date of attestation was the 15th June, 1939. He was called up for permanent service in September, 1939, but he failed to report. He was apprehended on the 9th November, 1940, and demobilised on the 11th November, 1940. He was discharged on the 4th December, 1940, after having two days' Army service. I may say that he was discharged as medically unfit. I am sure the Deputy realises that for the position of auxiliary postman you must have a person who will be able to get around highways and bye-ways on a bicycle, and you do not want a man for whom you might have to try to find a bed in a hospital after six months. I am glad that the man has recovered. As I said, I do not want to say a word which would injure him. The Deputy said he was appointed permanently. He was not. The Deputy was aware that he was only there temporarily pending a permanent appointment.

Auxiliary postmen are temporary; they are not established.

The man appointed was a married man who served in the Army and was allowed out on compassionate grounds, because his father is blind and his mother is an invalid. He served in the National Army and remained a member of the Defence Forces until 1946. As he had a blind parent and a wage of 42/- a week, I am sure the Deputy, if he were placed in my position, would have acted as I did and given preference to a man who had been in the National Army and who had the responsibility of keeping a blind parent on a wage of 42/- a week. I am not concerned with what his political opinions are. As I said yesterday, the fact of being recommended by a Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael or Labour T.D. should not be regarded as a qualification, but neither should it be a disqualification if a person has all the other qualifications. The Deputy will find that I shall act fairly and impartially to all sections of the community. I am not tied to Fine Gael or any of the other sections. I am here in my capacity as a Minister for all Parties and for the State, not for any individual or for any section. I hope I shall carry out my duty to the satisfaction of all. If I do make mistakes, I can assure the Deputy that I shall have the best intentions.

After hearing my statement, I am certain the Deputy will be sorry that he raised such a petty matter on the Adjournment. As I said, a question might be raised next week as to my appointing a Fianna Fáil supporter because Deputy Kissane had recommended him. I know the position Deputies are in; that supporters of all Parties may come to them for a recommendation. I received three or four recommendations. These are not any guidance to me. I try to select the person with the biggest responsibilities, the most deserving person and the best qualified for the job. I am certain that the Deputy now regrets he brought up the matter. I hope anything I have said will not injure this man or prevent him from getting employment elsewhere.

The Dáil adjourned at 10.15 p.m. until 3 p.m. on Wednesday, 9th March, 1949.

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