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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 10 Mar 1949

Vol. 114 No. 8

Private Deputies' Business. - Ballinamore and Ballyconnell Drainage—Motion.

I move:—

That, in order to reduce the damage caused by external flooding in the Ballinamore and Ballyconnell drainage and navigation areas, which has been to some extent due to neglected navigation construction now many years in disuse, and having regard to the fact that the said navigation imposes a financial burden on the county councils concerned in the area, Dáil Eireann is of opinion that the navigation rights should be abolished and, accordingly, asks the Government to take the requisite action.

I want to point out that in the area in question navigation was established as far back as the years between 1846 and 1856 by the then Government. Its purpose was, as stated by the then Government, to improve navigation, drainage and to give work to the unemployed at that time. The proposal therefore had three objects in view, i.e., inland navigation, drainage and employment for the unemployed workers. How far that purpose was served under the different headings, I am not able to say. I assume that it served its purpose fairly well so far as employment was concerned. A sum of approximately £250,000 was spent on the works during the five or six years of their development. So far as its purpose of navigation was concerned, it seemed never to have attained the initial stage of being a navigable area at all. The construction itself would appear to have been faulty, so far as very few boats ever travelled over the canal, due largely to the fact that the canal was intersected by a number of small lakes which made navigation by horse-drawn vehicles impracticable and was consequently only useful where steam was used. At that time, the internal combustion engine was not available and, accordingly, the usefulness of the canal was very limited.

When the work was completed in 1860, it was controlled by two bodies of trustees, namely, trustees representing the navigation and trustees representing the drainage. It was handed over at that time by the Government to the Grand Juries then operating in Counties Fermanagh, Cavan, Leitrim and Roscommon, these four counties being beneficiaries under the navigation scheme and the drainage scheme. It was handed over completed at a cost of £250,000 and there was charged to the four counties concerned a sum of £30,000, apportioned as follows: Leitrim, £12,700; Cavan, £10,000; Fermanagh, £2,500; and Roscommon, £4,000. The Grand Juries were given full power to collect tolls and other benefits which they might be able to secure from the navigation and drainage works and they were also made liable for any charges, which would fall due in respect of maintenance, if the tolls or other collections did not reach the maximum required for maintenance. It would appear that at no stage were the tolls collected for the few years the navigation was in existence sufficient for this purpose, with the result that, a very short time after being handed over—they were subsequently handed over to the county councils of these four counties—the condition of the canal became very bad.

In 1882, a commission appointed by the British Government to inquire into the matter reported:

The canal is now out of repair and quite unnavigable. The receipts for five years ended in 1880 were nil. The annual expenditure on navigation account, apparenty for lockkeepers' wages, was about £80. It is alleged that the navigation was originally badly designed, badly made and passed over to the trustees in an unfit state. Evidence was given to us that the navigation works were, up to 1865, kept by the trustees in the order in which they received them but that since that time, there being no trade, nothing has been done to keep them in repair. The canal was navigable, and no more, when given up by the Commissioners of Public Works, and there being no traffic worth mentioning upon it, was allowed to go from bad to worse, until it has reached its present position of absolute uselessness as a navigation. We have been informed by competent engineers that by the expenditure of £7,000 or £8,000 the canal could again be made navigable but when it was navigable no use was made of it, and the trustees advertised in vain for persons to establish boats upon it. In 1865, while the canal was still in working order, the Grand Jury of County Cavan expressed their unanimous sense of the utter inutility of this navigation and earnestly hoped that Commissioners of the Public works would not continue to exercise the powers vested in them of obliging the trustees to maintain (save so far as might be necessary for drainage purposes) any of the works connected with this navigation, which had been in operation for some years....

Notwithstanding the report of that commission set up in 1865 to examine the condition of the navigation in this area, a report which spoke of the utter inutility of the scheme, the Board of Works here, being charged with the responsibility of maintaining that navigation, have since continuously exercised their power to extract from the county councils of Roscommon, Cavan, Leitrim and Fermanagh an annual tribute for a navigation which has long ceased to be of any use. Its only utility for many years has been that, in its decayed condition, the weirs built across to create the necessary sluice gates have caused obstructions to the flow of water by reason of catching trees and other obstacles and the passage of water has been made so difficult that flooding in the area has been substantially increased. That has been the only effect of its maintenance by the Board of Works for all these years. During these years, each of these county councils has been compelled to make an annual contribution for maintenance and what the maintenance of that navigation is, I do not know. The people are not allowed to remove the obstructions in the shape of solidly-built weirs which are a continuous and obvious cause of flooding.

This matter is not one which has suddenly come before the Board of Works. It has for many years been a burning question and the county councils concerned have made representations to the Board of Works with a view to getting rid of this impossible levy and have asked the Board of Works not merely to stop taxing them to pay for a navigation which does not exist but to allow them to remove the obstruction in that navigation and so lessen flooding. A case was brought by the Leitrim County Council a few years ago and it was defended by the Board of Works who relied upon the Act which established that navigation away back between 1846 and 1856, an Act which was passed during the reign of Queen Victoria. That was their answer —that Act and the various other Acts concerned with the navigation scheme. Because that Act was in operation, the Board of Works felt it was their bounden duty to continue to extract this toll each year from the county council, the only result of it being to increase flooding for the farmers in the area.

Each of the councils involved has the right to appoint three trustees to a board which determines the responsibility for collecting the charge for the navigation from the counties concerned. It also makes a levy for drainage purposes which that board collects. The set-up of this board is that any three trustees may legally form a quorum of the board representative of four county councils. In an effort to get rid of the absurdity, some years back the County Councils of Leitrim, Cavan and Roscommon refused to appoint any trustees at all on the board. Fermanagh County Council did appoint their three and these three people continued to legislate and extract charges which the ratepayers in Cavan, Leitrim and Roscommon had to pay. It was an absurd thing that three men outside our territory should interfere, levy taxes and collect them. That was the absurdity on top of the absurdity and it happened five, six or seven years ago. I can understand the attitude of the men appointed as trustees from Fermanagh County Council in carrying through religiously Acts of the British House of Commons, but I cannot understand that our Government in this late year would allow people from the Six Counties separated from us to legislate to the extent of passing taxation which our citizens would have to pay. Yet that happened and that is not the worst of it. What was the answer of the loyal trustees in County Fermanagh who taxed the ratepayers of Leitrim, Cavan and Roscommon who have to abide by that taxation when last year the board was reconstituted representing again Roscommon, Cavan and Leitrim? Since there was no redress they decided against taking part in the absurdity and these county councils decided to reappoint trustees. Drainage rates were struck and notice was sent out to those concerned in the drainage areas of Fermanagh to pay the drainage rates, but they said that they would pay no drainage rates to us. They said they had their own Drainage Act in the Six Counties to control the whole position and that they no longer recognised the Victorian Drainage Act. Where can there be respect for a Government which says it exercises full authority here—we have the Republic of Ireland now—and which yet allows that form of inconsistency to prevail? If the Board of Works is so steeped in old documents of 1846-56, respect them more than their religion and impose an injustice by adhering rigidly to the letter of the law, they should learn from the respect the Six County people have for their own Government and say they have legislation for drainage and no longer respect the Act passed in the British House of Commons. It is scandalous that the Board of Works was quiet for so long and has only woken up now— if it has woken up—even when the Six County people so respect their own Government that they will not allow us to legislate for them since they are not in our jurisdiction. They do not allow this absurdity because of Acts passed a hundred years ago and which should have been destroyed years ago since they were only passed for the purpose of making ridicule and absurdity in the administration.

This is not the first time this matter has been raised before the Board of Works. I myself on many occasions have discussed it and I will read some correspondence I have had regarding it. I received this on February, 18th, 1935, from the Parliamentary Secretary's Office, St. Stephen's Green:—

"Ballinamore and Ballyconnell Drainage and Navigation District.

With reference to your letter of the 14th January last to the Parliamentary Secretary, with which you enclosed correspondence from Mr. Patrick Horan, P.C., I am desired by Mr. Flinn to state that the Commissioners of Public Works had an inspection made of the above-named district by one of their engineers in 1927. From his report it appears that to make the Drainage Act effective the navigation must be abandoned and the water-power attached to the mills at Bawnboy and Ballyconnell must be either removed or altered.

The Woodford River is the main outfall for the district, and for approximately six miles it forms the boundary between Counties Cavan and Fermanagh. The river discharges into Upper Lough Erne and from the outlet to Caracoul, a distance of four miles, it is backwatered by the lough. Consequently any scheme for the improvement of the drainage must depend for its success on the carrying out of works on the Lough Erne scheme which is at present, and has been for the last few years, under consideration by the Government of Northern Ireland. Complete control of the sluice gates at Beleek was given for a period of a year—which has now expired— by the Lough and River Erne Drainage Board to the Northern Ireland engineers, who are now engaged in working out the result of their investigations. In the circumstances, consideration of any proposals for the improvement of the drainage conditions in the Ballinamore and Ballyconnell district has been deferred until it is learned what steps may be taken to reduce the levels of Upper and Lower Erne."

I sent on that letter to Mr. Cahir Healy, M.P., who took the matter up with the Minister responsible at Stormont, and I will read the reply to Mr. Healy:—

"I have your letter of the 25th inst., with enclosures, on the subject of the drainage of rivers in the Ballinamore and Ballyconnell districts in the Irish Free State. The rivers in this area discharge into Upper Lough Erne, and the question of a scheme of drainage for the area depends greatly on the position in Lough Erne; this is recognised by the Board of Works in Dublin. We have been experimenting, as you know, with the Lough Erne levels by taking over control of the sluice gates at Beleek, and, while this control ceased on the 24th December last and the gates were handed back to the Lough Erne Drainage Board, our Director of Works wishes to have a further period of 12 months for observation of the lough before coming to a decision as to the possibility of amelioration of flooding.

We have been constantly in touch with the Commissioners of Public Works in Dublin regarding the difficult situation on Lough Erne, which is not likely to be rendered any easier by the fact that the Dublin Department is carrying out a big drainage scheme in the Lough Oughter area—a scheme which our engineers fear will have adverse effects in County Fermanagh in flood time.

I can assure you that the whole situation in the Lough Erne catchment area is being carefully watched, but it must be treated as a whole, and for the reasons which I have given above it will not be practicable to come to any final decision for at least another 12 months.

Yours etc.,

H.M. Pollock."

That was in February, 1935. It was for some years under consideration by both Departments and at that stage a further 12 months was asked before they could come to a decision. They seemed to expect that something would have happened but this is March, 1949, and nothing has happened. If the Board of Works and the Minister responsible are satisfied with the position as it stands, then I feel disappointed, but we will have to accept the position and carry on. It is time, however, that those concerned, those grievously concerned, should put an end to this piece of absurdity, this Gilbertian situation of having trustees, assessors, appointed under a Victorian Act actually legislating and passing a charge on the revenue of citizens of this State and this is silently accepted by the Government here. If they are satisfied they had better tell the people that that is so. On the other hand, if the Government now, with all the extended powers they have got by the declaration of a republic for the Twenty-Six Counties, are prepared to take the necessary steps to end this situation, then it will be good news for us, even if it comes in a belated way and far too tardily to get any respect from the people concerned. In any event, I want to know what is the attitude of the Minister to this scandalous condition.

I formally second the motion.

As a representative of one of the counties concerned, I support the motion. I do not propose to delay the House by going over the ground so ably covered by Deputy Maguire.

As one of the Deputies interested in this matter, I beg to support the motion of Deputy Maguire. I do not wish to add anything to what he has said.

Deputy Maguire has given a factual and a historical representation of the position in connection with the Ballinamore and Ballyconnell navigation and has set out the position fairly and fully. It is true that under the Act of 1846 and the later Act of 1856 the trustees appointed originally by the Grand Jury and subsequently taken over by the county councils were responsible for the maintenance of the navigation concerned. At a later stage, however, three of these counties ceased to appoint trustees and the only trustees appointed were, as Deputy Maguire stated, trustees representing Fermanagh, and the anomaly to which he referred has existed for a number of years. As the Deputy mentioned, the matter was brought before the courts by way of an action by the Leitrim County Council in 1943, and judgment was delivered which indicated that the Fermanagh representatives, who were the only trustees functioning, were legally entitled to discharge all the obligations of the trustees in the absence of trustees being appointed by the other county councils. Subsequently, the other county councils, realising the anomalous position under which the trustees representing County Fermanagh and also the shortest portion of the navigation were in fact discharging the entire responsibilities, decided that they would reappoint trustees for the other county councils and in recent years the Counties Roscommon, Cavan and Leitrim have, I understand, exercised their functions.

The position is that under the Act of 1856 the Minister has certain functions for the repair and maintenance of the navigation, but any sum so expended is recoverable from the county councils concerned. This power is discretionary and not mandatory. Consequently, as the navigation concerned has not been used for a number of years, the Minister for Industry and Commerce has never carried out any repair work. It is even possible that the fact that repairs were not carried out has to some extent lessened the flooding. The strange fact is that the dilapidated condition of this navigation has lessened the flooding, but other unsatisfactory results have accrued and complaints have been received from time to time.

Mr. Maguire

Did the Parliamentary Secretary say that no collection has been made in recent years by the Board of Works from the county councils concerned for navigation?

I am saying that if the Minister for Industry and Commerce did exercise his repair functions the amount so expended by him would be recoverable from the county councils. The Board of Works have received from the county councils concerned sums each year in respect of drainage.

Mr. Maguire

And also in respect of navigation.

I am not aware that the Minister has carried out any navigation repairs. I think it does not matter very much from the point of view of the effect on the county councils. They have paid money and it does not matter much to them whether it is spent on navigation or drainage.

Mr. Maguire

They are two separate items. Drainage is separate and is payable for by the parties concerned. Navigation is decidedly separate and a levy has been made each year and collected each year by the Board of Works from the county councils concerned, although not one single penny has been expended on navigation nor has a boat sailed up that canal for the last 80 years. Still the debt is there.

The position is that the Board of Works has collected from the county councils in respect of drainage. It may be a subtle distinction, but from the point of view of the ratepayers it does not matter. The point I wish to make is that under the law at the present time the abandonment of the drainage work would require complementary legislation in Northern Ireland in respect of drainage, because this particular drainage work is partially carried out in Northern Ireland and, under the 1945 Drainage Act, where an area is partially outside the State, we have to get their sanction for the carrying out of the drainage work.

Mr. Maguire

Could the Parliamentary Secretary say if the North of Ireland Government sought the consent of this Government here when they passed their Drainage Act and absolved themselves from the liability which they had under the Act?

I cannot say that at the moment, but the position is that, if we wanted to do anything about it now, we would have to discuss with the Northern Government the question of legislation to abandon this particular work, short of deciding ourselves to abandon it. The effect of abandoning part of the work, without having effective steps taken to drain the other part of it which is outside the State, might lead to undesirable results from the point of view of flooding both here and in County Fermanagh. The position at the moment is that, under the Lough Erne scheme and the development of that catchment area, arterial drainage is necessary before any effective steps can be taken to drain this Ballyconnell and Ballinamore district.

The other proposal which was considered some years ago was that legislation would be introduced here, and discussions took place between the Department of Industry and Commerce and the Commissioners of Public Works on the matter. As a result of these discussions, it was obvious that the only effective steps that could be taken were possible under new legislation. At that time, it was not decided to proceed with the legislation because the powers which are conferred on the Minister for Industry and Commerce are discretionary powers and are not mandatory. If the Deputy feels that that matter should be reconsidered, I should be glad to meet him on it and have it reconsidered, without undertaking to bring in legislation. It is possible that the mere abandonment of the work here would in no way alleviate the problem of flooding and that the work will have to be carried out, either by the Commissioners of Public Works under an Arterial Drainage Scheme or by trustees appointed, as they have been in the past, in collaboration with the work which will be undertaken when the Erne catchment area is developed for arterial drainage. That, of course, is at present dependent on the full implementing of the Arterial Drainage Act.

The problem of arterial drainage is a big one. Vigorous efforts are being made, and substantial headway was made, during recent years to operate the Act successfully, but the problem of securing machinery, equipment and so on, has up to the present prevented it from being carried out everywhere. I can undertake to the Deputy to have the matter examined again, to see if it is possible to take any effective steps; but I think the mere abandonment of the navigation area at the moment would not effect any substantial improvement.

I must say that I am very disappointed in the Parliamentary Secretary's statement. He probably has not had time to have the matter examined as thoroughly as he should. His whole story is one of further procrastination. Eighty years of misuse of this canal has caused severe damage to the people to whom he is responsible, or to whom any Government is responsible. After all those years, it is the same old story that is trotted out—that certain things must be done. You would imagine it was something casual—as immaterial as, in the case of someone walking on a fine summer's evening, whether he took an umbrella or not. It is not at all casual. It is a standing disgrace to any Government that tolerates this or allows it to go on all these years.

The Parliamentary Secretary seems to mix up two things. The canal in question was originated with three purposes in view—inland navigation, drainage, and employment for the unemployed during the period 1846-56. There are two separate and distinct things remaining—drainage and navigation. The Parliamentary Secretary is as wrong as could be when he says the navigation has fallen into a sort of help to drainage. That is absurd. Anyone with an elementary knowledge of the kind of constructive thing the canal is, with big buildings across it for the purpose of holding up the water, but with sluice gates attached that can be useful even for drainage, can understand that when these have gone out of use it is obvious that trees, ricks of hay, and so on, carried away in times of flood are held up by that obstruction and they intensify the flooding. His statement is absurd and complete ignorance of the subject is the only way I can describe his statement.

Would the Deputy like to know that I am giving him the report of the engineer who investigated in 1927?

Mr. Maguire

That makes no difference to me. If the Parliamentary Secretary were to examine the place for himself, it would be obvious to him that an obstruction that is strongly built must hold every piece of obstruction that comes down in time of flood and will create further flooding. The engineer who made that report probably considered that if the area were maintained clear of obstruction, the fact that it was allowed to go into disuse for navigation purposes would mean that its condition from a drainage point of view might have improved. I assert, with full knowledge of what I am saying, whatever the engineer's report may be, that the existence of that navigation in its derelict and uncared for condition has increased flooding substantially.

It is easy to sit back and say that we have to negotiate with the Lough Erne owners, that that is the catchment area through which we must find an outflow for the water. Again let me come back to the existence of the canal and the navigation. What explanation is forthcoming from the Board of Works? In spite of the fact that that navigation has gone into disuse over 80 years, in spite of the fact that there is increased flooding, will they explain to me why they continue to take a levy on four counties? What have the Six Counties to do with that? What has the Lough Erne level to do with it? Why are you accepting £80 a year from Leitrim for the alleged maintenance of navigation on the Ballinmore-Ballyconnell area and, from other county councils, similar amounts? Will the Parliamentary Secretary answer that? If he separates drainage from navigation, he will be answering the question intelligently. The position is absurd.

Why should they wait until they negotiate with the Six-County Government about their levels? I have read correspondence dating from 1935-6. The Board of Works were then in close touch with the Six-County Government. What has resulted? Having carried out an investigation in conjunction with another Government, it was your duty to follow that up and not to allow 12 years to elapse and to wait until the question was raised in the Dáil before taking further steps. What is your Department doing in this matter? What are you doing about it?

The Parliamentary Secretary.

Mr. Maguire

What is the Parliamentary Secretary doing about it? Is it not waste of public money and is it not completely disregarding the pressing needs of the case? You are pressing down on the ratepayers of Leitrim, Cavan and Roscommon without displaying the smallest regard for their interest. The Parliamentary Secretary says he must wait until he negotiates with the Six-County Government about the level of Lough Erne. I have evidence of correspondence for over 12 years with the Stormont Minister then responsible, Mr. Pollock. He set out his views. Did the Northern Government consult this Government when they passed their Drainage Act, as a result of which they refuse to recognise any charge that is made for drainage by the Act of Victorian age which controls and hampers us? They rid themselves of it because it did not suit them. If they did not consult us, why should we wait until we consult them? The Board of Works have been in consultation with the Six-County Government on this problem for many years. Surely it is your duty, Sir——

The Parliamentary Secretary's duty.

Mr. Maguire

——the Parliamentary Secretary's duty, to see that this thing is terminated. It is the duty of whoever is responsible for the Board of Works to terminate it. There is no use in coming to this House with that glib story that the level of Lough Erne must be determined in consultation with the Government of the Six Counties and that nothing can be done to remedy this outrageous and scandalous condition that has prevailed over all these years. That glib story will not do. If we have not a statement as to what it is intended to do, the public will know that we are inept, incapable and too timid and that despite our declarations of independence, the Six-County Government have guts to determine their own will and to provide the needs of their own people, that we are still wobbling and depending on their goodwill, while they insult and ignore us where their interests are concerned. It is time the matter was brought to a conclusion. I am very disappointed with the Parliamentary Secretary's reply.

Is the motion withdrawn?

Mr. Maguire

There is no use in calling for a division.

Motion, by leave, withdrawn.
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