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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 2 Mar 1961

Vol. 186 No. 8

Committee on Finance. - Vote 26—District Court.

I move:

That a supplementary sum not exceeding £3,730 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1961, for such of the Salaries and Expenses of the District Court as are not charged on the Central Fund (7 Edw. 7, c.17, sec. 3; No. 27 of 1926, secs. 49, 50 and 66; No. 15 of 1928, sec. 13; No. 48 of 1936, secs. 51 and 77; No. 4 of 1946, secs. 35 and 36; No. 21 of 1946; No. 8 of 1951; and No. 32 of 1953) and for a Capitation grant.

This Supplementary Estimate is required to meet the extra expenditure which has been caused chiefly by the extension of the period of appointment of temporary justices of the district court and by the consequent increase in expenditure under the heading of travelling and subsistence.

When the Estimates were being prepared it was expected that the scheme to reorganise the district court areas and districts would come into operation on the 1st January, 1961. It was, however, found necessary to postpone this until the 1st April, 1961 and in consequence the appointment of eight temporary justices of the district court has been extended up to the 31st March, 1961.

Can the Minister say, in view of the proposal to reduce the number of district court areas, why it was necessary to appoint so many temporary district justices? If it seems feasible to reduce the number of areas does it not seem strange and contradictory to have to appoint so many temporary district justices for such a lengthy period?

Of course the temporary district justices were——

The Minister is not concluding?

No. I was replying to Deputy Cosgrave. I shall wait if any other Deputy wishes to speak.

There are two points I should like to raise. If one is living in the country, in the rural parts of Ireland, one appreciates how close the district court comes to the daily lives of the people, and how important it is that there should be ready access to it. In some areas, in any case, the court meets every second month, and in some places every month. I should like to know from the Minister is there a clear and statutory duty on the district justice to hold the court on the day appointed, or is it within the discretion of the district justice to hold it or not as he thinks best?

If the date is fixed for the district court it ought to be held. The district justice should be there and hold his court. If he is not, he ought to arrange for some other district justice to attend. The casual cancellation of court sessions is something to be greatly deplored.

Is it not fundamentally unsound to appoint temporary judicial persons? We all recognise it is not possible always legitimately to adhere to the ideal principle that nobody should sit upon the bench unless he has full judicial tenure. We are all familiar in systems of legal administration similar to our own that where criminal lists become heavily congested commissioners are sometimes sent out to help in clearing up the list.

Is it not a sound general principle that if a person is appointed to judicial office either in the district court, circuit court or High Court he should hold that office by the special terms of tenure laid down by our legislation which give him a high degree of independence of the Executive? I can remember this point arising on occasions when I was a member of the Government. The general view then was that even at some expense it was better to appoint one permanent justice too many so as to have a man in reserve to fill any vacancy that might unexpectedly arise than to depend on a system of appointing temporary district justices.

It was felt that the system of appointing temporary district justices opened the way to the possibility of the abuse that the Executive—whatever Executive it was—might appoint temporary justices almost on probation and that if, in that probationary period of temporary appointment, they did not bring in verdicts of the kind the Executive wanted they would be tacitly fixed with notice that they would not be appointed to such temporary posts in the future and that their prospects of permanent appointment would be remote. That is a danger. I believe the sound principle is that if you intend to put a man on the bench whether in the district court, circuit court or High Court he ought to be there on the terms prescribed in our legislation and under the Constitution which are designed to secure for any judicial person the maximum security of tenure so that he can do full justice to any person appearing in the court, particularly when that person is appearing in criminal proceedings where the State is a party to the proceedings.

The district court is very close to the people's lives. It is probably a good thing that the procedure of the district court should be friendly and informal and attuned to the mind of the locality in which it sits. I suggest that can be carried too far. Inevitably the Garda and the State Solicitor who perennially appear before the district court are more familiar with its proceedings than the average individual who may once or twice in his lifetime be called to meet a charge in such a form.

It is manifestly important, in such a court which now has a pretty wide jurisdiction in rural Ireland, that the ordinary citizen should be fully reassured in his mind that the district justice stands not only as a judge but as a protector of the individual against any attempt by the Executive or its agents to trespass upon his rights. Therefore, it should not only be true but it should be made daily manifest that, no matter how humble the citizen who is brought before the court may be, the obligation remains upon the State to prove to the court that he is guilty before he can be convicted.

Many people forget that under our system of law it is not only necessary that a man should be guilty in order to convict him but he must be proved to be guilty. We all know that many guilty persons may go unconvicted because the State fails to prove their guilt. When we get to the level of the district court, functioning in a very small social unit, it is a fact that minor crime in a small country town, village or townland rarely goes long undetected. Within forty-eight hours most of the neighbours know who did it. It does not always follow that the Garda authorities or anybody else is in a position to produce to a court of law satisfactory proof of guilt. That is what our legal system requires the representative of the Executive to do.

It is very important that everybody should be reassured that just as much in the district court as in the circuit court or in the Central Criminal Court, the State will be required to discharge the burden of proof that the law puts upon it. That is something the Minister might with advantage discuss with the Garda and with the Attorney General so as to refresh everybody's mind that, even if we know that it was the itinerant tinker who stole the pair of trousers off the hedge, the obligation to prove that in court still remains before he is convicted. Although it may be the itinerant tinker who is summarily convicted on public belief rather than strict legal proof, today, if that principle were to be generally accepted as an appropriate procedure, the rest of us might receive similar summary treatment thereafter.

While it is urgent to ensure that that careful procedure is followed, it is doubly urgent to ensure that everybody knows and sees that it is being followed. That, I think, requires that the district justices, bearing that in mind, will be scrupulous to avoid even the appearance of contact with the Garda before hearing criminal charges in their own courts. Even though there is no improper discussion of cases by the Garda and the justice, the all-important thing is to preserve, clear and certain, in the minds of the people that the district justice comes to their community not only as a judge but as the protector of each individual's rights against the Executive and that a highly important part of his function as a district justice of an area is to insist on the Garda authorities discharging to the full their obligation of proving guilt before they can expect a conviction of any person brought before the court.

In reply to Deputy Cosgrave's query, the appointments which had to be made were made principally as a result, in the first place, of the deaths of a number of district justices. They were not replaced by permanent justices because we were reducing the number of districts from 30 to, eventually, 23. It was also due to the fact that a number of district justices became ill and we received notices from them, accompanied by medical certificates, saying they would be ill for a considerable time. It was necessary, therefore, to have temporary appointments in place of these men.

It would be undesirable to attempt to appoint each man permanently because eventually we would be carrying a surplus of district justices. Two permanent district justices will be eventually required, and they will be appointed from the eight who have been appointed temporarily. The remaining six will return to their practices.

In regard to the question raised by Deputy Dillon concerning district justices being promptly in attendance on the dates and at the times arranged, I must say I am concerned about that position myself. I took the matter up shortly after Deputy Dillon raised the question in respect of a particular individual, whom he did not name. Arising out of that, I had inquiries made generally in respect of district justices all over the country. I was not too satisfied with the excuses I got, but they were the type of excuse you could not very well dispute. For instance, some of the excuses were that the roads were in a very dangerous state and that when the justices started off and found the roads in this dangerous state, they decided not to attempt to complete the journey and wired the authorities concerned that they would be unable to be present. Other excuses were that they had become suddenly ill. It is very difficult to dispute that sort of thing. If these excuses are given, they have to be accepted, coming as they do from men respected as honourable men. Nevertheless, I took the matter up and I had it conveyed to all concerned that I was disturbed by reason of the fact that a number of courts were abandoned at very short notice. I am hoping that that action will lead to greater promptitude and better attendances.

I do not know that I could very well discuss the other matters raised by Deputy Dillon in respect of district justices, their decisions and their close contacts with the Garda, either before or after a case is heard. The district court, as we know it, is a friendly institution, except, perhaps, for the criminal who knows he will be punished. Otherwise, it is an institution to which the people come without any great fear or trembling or the feeling they will be treated in a manner other than is just.

I should not like, for instance, to take up the question as to whether justice has been fully done or not. I have had a number of complaints from time to time in respect of decisions taken by the court which were questioned by the individuals who wrote to me. On the evidence given in these communications, I should be somewhat shaken and maybe a little doubtful; but when I got in touch with the authorities concerned. I was satisfied that one had to be present in the court completely to understand and sympathise with the situation confronting the justice and the reasons for the decision he had to take.

I think I can assure the Deputy that, so far as my experience goes, justice is meted out. Sometimes justice can be harsh and the person receiving it regards it as harsh or perhaps as being unjust instead of being just. But that is purely a matter of opinion between the individual punished and the person inflicting the punishment. However, generally speaking, I am satisfied that the courts do a reasonably good job of work between the people who come to them and the people who adjudicate in them. I do not think we need have any great fear in that regard. However, the views expressed here will be examined and if there is any necessity to take the matter further, I can assure the House that I will be prepared to do that.

The Minister will agree with me that it is very important not only that justice should be done but that justice should appear to be done. The point I am making is this: before criminal proceedings take place in a criminal court, the Garda should be as remote from the district justice as the prisoner at the bar so that all may feel that the district justice is there not only to judge but to protect the prisoner's constitutional and fundamental rights and protect him from any attempt by the Executive, whom the Garda represent, to abridge his fundamental freedoms. If they see the district justice's familiar conduct with the Garda before the proceedings begin, they may think that there is not the detached approach to the prisoner and the Executive which they think a judicial person ought to have and which I think a judicial person ought to have.

Vote put and agreed to.
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