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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 5 Feb 1976

Vol. 287 No. 8

Financial Resolutions, 1976. - Financial Resolution No. 11: General (Resumed).

Debate resumed on the following motion:
That it is expedient to amend the law relating to customs and inland revenue (including excise) and to make further provision in connection with finance.
—(The Taoiseach.)

Before Question Time I was approaching the question of the sequence of events leading up to the budget, particularly in relation to general world costs, the cost of living here and pay levels here. Before June last it became obvious to the Government that there would have to be some action taken to ensure that the cost of living would stay at a manageable level so that we could get our pay levels for the succeeding 18 months to a level that would give an incentive to employment and an incentive to export and, at the same time, not hit our people unduly and if possible help the most needy rather than taking from their purchasing power in relation to the goods that they need. Those who are better off can buy luxury goods but those who are not so happily placed must spend most of their money on goods that they need. I have here the OECD survey of November, 1975 and shall quote from page 36.

Notice taken that 20 Members were not present; House counted and 20 Members being present,

I was about to quote from page 36 of the OECD Report of November, 1975. It reads:

A supplementary budget was introduced. Value-added tax on clothing, footwear, electricity and fuels other than road fuel was removed (estimated revenue cost of £8.2 million in 1975). The prices of bread, butter, milk, town gas and public transport were subsidised (estimated cost £18.5 million in 1975). These measures were officially estimated to lower the consumer price index by 4 percentage points and the Government requested a revision of the National Pay Agreement, suggesting that the measures might be revoked if no adequate revision were forthcoming. An Income Tax surcharge increasing rates of income tax by 10 per cent for all rates other than the lowest was introduced (estimated to yield £8 million in 1975) and it was announced that the PAYE scheme would be extended to public sector, church and all bank employees. In addition, a temporary employment premium of £6 per week per employee for employers recruiting from the unemployed was introduced, to run for a year to June 1976. The net estimable cost of the discretionary measures was £20 million and the estimated current account deficit for the year 1975 was increased by £116 million to £242 million taking into account additional estimated departmental expenditure of £76 million, an estimated debt servicing increase of £10 million and a revised revenue estimate reducing revenue by £11 million. The Public Capital Programme estimate was also increased to £490 million from £459 million in the January budget. The total budget deficit was increased by £175 million to £706 million.

The strategy of the Government at that time was to create a situation in which on the essentials, clothes for the children and for oneself, food and the goods for the house, there was a lesser impost or no impost at all and at the same time there was an input of capital so that there could be employment in goods that could be exported and goods that could employmen in particular. That was the thinking in June. There was no change in that thinking from June until January 28th. The message was, of course, as I have said, fair government. Social welfare recipients are covered for the estimated increase in the cost of living. It is estimated that with the overflow of the June advantages granted to them and the 10 per cent increase granted now they will be inoculated or cushioned against any increase in the cost of living that may come. Having played fair with those least able to bear any impost we were in a position to go ahead and to see what we should do to raise the country from the ashes when the world recession would begin to turn.

There were other things that we had to correct and we did not flinch from correcting them. It was true to say that in certain areas the farmers' dole had become somewhat of a scandal. Fianna Fáil had totally failed in their effort to correct this. Their effort was to remove it from single men during the summer months. They could not carry that within their own party. It was thrown aside, I would say, because there were pretty solid reasons. A single man may be just as hungry in the middle of summer as in the winter. We decided that we would adjust the multiplier and we have done so fairly. There were people who came in during the last few years and raised the number in receipt of this dole from 20,000 to 30,000. There was a very good reason for that. When the dole was £1 or 30 shillings it was not worth while going in to collect it having regard to the scale and the multiplier applicable at that time. With the generosity of the present Government who treat people on social welfare properly, when it is a matter of collecting £13 to £14 a week the people pocket their pride and come in to collect. That was something that should have been corrected over the years by Fianna Fáil by an adjustment of the multiplier.

If one wanted to go the whole way one might say that in a bad farming year you could reduce the multiplier so as to allow a person in for that year. It would have been a question of adjustment. Apparently, adjustment was not politically desirable. It might have lost a few votes here and there and Fianna Fáil, as we all know, think more of votes than of anything else.

In the social welfare field a person who was redundant and in receipt of pay-related benefit and was drawing whatever basic benefit he was entitled to could have a weekly income considerably higher than his normal basic earnings. We have adjusted that by providing that such a man will get 85 per cent of his earnings. There is no gold mine under the floor of Leinster House. It is the people's money that you must spend. It is the people who must pay. The people who have to pay realise that as well as being fair and generous to those who have less, we corrected two serious anomalies left there by Fianna Fáil.

With regard to personal relief of income tax, we gave an undertaking in our 14-point programme before the election that we would each year increase the relief of personal income tax, in other words, that we would leave the person with more tax-free income. We have done that rather generously. I am sure that matter has been referred to many times in the debate and there is no point in my quoting the figures again but it is costing £10 million and £18 million in a full year.

There were other things which impinged heavily on other people and which I will talk about later. Let us think about it this way. If one does have to pay £25 extra tax on one's car in order to see that the country is set to rights, in the case of a single man he will get a refund of that in the relief in personal income tax. The situation is very interesting. In the case of a single person with an annual income of £3,000 the saving is £17.32. That would almost meet the increase in the tax on a small car. In the case of a married person with an annual income of £3,000 the saving is £34.55. Remember also, the taxpayer has no VAT to pay on food, clothing and various other items on which VAT did operate. There is the increased tax on petrol which, admittedly, is a heavy impost which we had to apply. We applied it only on the basis that it was good for the country and would contribute towards the resurgence of the country. If one were to talk about greyhounds running around a track one could say that we have to trap very well. This country must not lag behind when there is a resurgence in Britain, Holland, France and Italy. We must trap well. We are a member of the Common Market but we owe our first allegiance to our own people. There must be good husbandry to ensure that our people get the best opportunity to prosper, to ensure jobs for young people and to provide a better life as soon as that is available anywhere in the Common Market.

The national wage agreement provided percentage improvements across the board. That was right at the time. It appears that as at this point in time it is for the country to say. I do not want to say, as politicians of years gone by who laboured in my constituency said, that no man is worth more than £1,000, that it would be better if every ship were at the bottom of the sea. At the same time, perhaps the percentage rise across the board under the national wage agreement was a bad thing the first day it was done. We can only look back and conjecture as to whether or not it was a cause of difficulty but in my view it certainly is not proper at this point.

Another thing that is not proper is any degree of special increases. What is needed now to give industry a starting off point for more jobs, more trade, more exports and therefore, a better future, is that everything should stay as it is. The Government in their June budget cushioned the people most in need to ensure that in their case their position would not be worsened. Their public transport was subsidised at that time. That was done at considerable cost.

The Government were trying to cushion these people against any increase in the cost of living and at the same time were trying to give the input to productive investment and productive employment that would create jobs. At the same time there was the very heavy burden on the Government in regard to security.

I mentioned the decision by the Government in regard to what was the proper deficit, bearing in mind our international obligations, our opportunities to borrow and then what could be adjusted in Departments, either up or down, according to the need, and what the proper behaviour of the Government should be, and then the arrival at the figure of £107 million extra taxation.

No matter what way you look at it, and indeed when you examine the Defence and Justice Estimates in detail you find various items in them that you might take out as not specifically relating to security. A figure of £456 million has been quoted. It is really something Deputies on both sides here could argue about for quite a while. You will find that you are talking about £150 million. We must of course be entirely honest and admit our need for guards and an Army. We now have an Army of nearly 15,000. They must be fed, they must be paid and they must have the proper equipment. When this Government took office we had an Army of about 9,000 and far less equipment, and we had slightly fewer than 7,000 gardaí. Now we are either at, or rising to, the present authorised figure of 8,500.

No matter what way you go you could equate the total extra taxation, or very close to it, imposed in this budget, to wit, £107 million, with extra security. We can get blasé about security. In my own constituency two people were killed and many were injured not so long ago. If you were in that town at the moment you might not find it was the greatest talking point. You might find that, just like everything else, we are all flies walking up a wall and some of us fall down. You might find that some other things were of far greater interest. If you started to talk to somebody in Monaghan town today about the Monaghan bombings, which were a most frightful incident, you might find that they are more interested in something else. We tend to get blasé and do not realise that the number of deaths can rise. We have 1,440 deaths at present. I have to read the reports as they come to me. For three days there may be no incident at all. But it would be quite wrong of me to place a bet that such a situation would continue. You get an ongoing horrifying average of eight or nine people killed per week.

If that dog which got off the leash some years ago were to be allowed to breed further such animals, and if security was not there to contain such proliferation, then I hesitate to think what this country would be like. Our hope and the prayer must be that slowly but inexorably we can crush these people so that we can contain them and so that this horrible phrase "an acceptable level of violence" will vanish from our vocabulary.

Many Members on the far side of the House feel as I do. This budget has this terrible constraint upon it: that so much must be spent on security. It also has another constraint that is not printed in figures and that constraint is the number of people who decided not to come here and build factories. I make no secret of the fact that my own constituency at present is a place where it would be more difficult to get a factory than if I were representing Cork. Cork has a good harbour and it is a big city. I know perfectly well that my colleague opposite, Deputy Mooney, will agree with me that it is not easy for him to attract industries to Monaghan which is beside the border. We have to push these people by producing more security forces on the border. Start off by counting a million pounds plus for a barracks beside Deputy Mooney in Monaghan. That is the sort of figure we have to think of. Whatever we do about Industry and Commerce, whatever we do about Transport and Power, whatever we do about the various ways in which we can attract people here to employ our people, we have that invisible constraint upon us that we do not even know about, that sometimes we are lucky to hear about. I have had that one experience myself. On the other hand, how many do we lose that we do not know about? That is one of the things holding back this country which no Minister for Finance can do anything about, except by his public statements. The people of this country can do something about it by not playing boy scouts and girl guides, by telling the security forces, Garda or Army or Civil Defence, when they think there is anything suspicious and show by their very actions that this must stop.

My colleague, Deputy Keating, the Minister for Industry and Commerce when he spoke in public about a month ago, made a rough estimate of what we lost and he thought of £500 million per year. Put that into perspective. We are talking about a deficit that we must find in the years to come of £327 million. We are talking about extra taxation of £107 million and we are talking about something in the order of £107 million spent on extra security.

If someone had told Deputy Leonard that a million pounds would be spent on a barracks in Monaghan ten years ago, Deputy Leonard would have smiled. It is not that Deputy Leonard would not want it, it is just that his judgment would be that it would not be there.

That is the sort of thing I have to say on a budget debate. I must leave now because I think it would be most invidious of me to continue when it can be debated on another day.

If this budget had not got measures properly designed to create more employment, then it would fall down. The Minister for Finance would have no right to ask people who are already hard pressed in their way of living to give him a greater proportion of their incomes were it not for the fact that much of it was for the future. We have provided £3,200,000 for the Institute for Industrial Research and Standards. That institute becomes daily more important as we get into mining, oil and gas. Indeed, it is an integral part of this new campaign whereby you can get a tag put on your goods that not only says "Irish" but says "Quality Irish". This is an integral part of that and it will do us good in the months to come or perhaps it is something that might become evident in weeks.

Córas Tráchtála must sell abroad. Nobody cut them down. They had been given an increase from £3,100,000 to £3,350,000. The Kilkenny Design Workshop gets another grant in aid of £300,000 and well they deserve it. They have succeeded in designing articles that have been manufactured throughout the country and have sold well throughout the world.

The Industrial Development Authority's administrative and general expenditure will amount to £4,500,000 as against £3,815,000, but for grants there is voted £53,500,000 as against £40,920,000. All the money spent would be lost as far as the unfortunate person who is on disability benefit and unemployment benefit is concerned if we left him without hope, and this Government have not so done. This Government have so designed their budget that there is hope, that there is application of funds towards the creation of new jobs.

The Shannon Free Airport Development Company—and they have been having a rough time—show an increase from £231,000 to £250,000. Credit financing of certain capital goods exports has a figure of £400,000, I presume for interest. I had experience of the ECGB, which is the British Export Credit Guarantee Board, a few years ago. They have succeeded in selling their goods at higher prices all over the world because of this facility. In the middle of the city of London there are 1,500 people, either seconded civil servants or persons brought in from outside, working on just that.

The Minister has moved far on that in this year, and I hope that no firm here exporting quality goods to a good customer will be short of the export credit finance that can be afforded by Britain. We are in a competing market. If we want to sell £100,000 worth of machinery to somebody in Uganda and if the person who is competing with us can give five years' credit, then we must give five years' credit or we will not get the contract. It has been traditional in Defence that, because of the cost of defence equipment, most of it is bought on this system, and export credits have been granted for decades. Perhaps the Minister for Finance will frown on my giving secrets, but this is so, and that is the reason why Defence is the only Department that has not got a capital budget. That facility is most important and has been provided by this Government. The first provision for subsidisation here is £400,000.

Technical assistance is helped, and so is the Irish Productivity Centre. These are the things that matter. The exclusion of these items could have been the subject of severe criticism from the benches opposite. But when the composite mix includes a fair deal for those who are in need, includes a proper balance between deficit, borrowing and expenditure, indicates the intention of the Government in relation to deficits in the year to come, and at the same time produces from the various business-developing Departments the proper expenditure to see that more jobs are on the way, then it is a proper budget. Whether it is a pleasant or an unpleasant budget for the country as a whole does not matter. It is a budget that is well laid out, well documented and, I think, well received notwithstanding the comments on it in the couple of days after its introduction.

Grants for Bord Fáilte Éireann under the Tourist Traffic Act have increased from £7,850,000 to £8,150,000. Again how many tourists have we lost because of this cancer of subversion? Let us face the fact, although it is a dreadful thought, that far worse than the deaths on the southern side of the Border has been the loss of opportunity, the despair of young school-leavers who would have got jobs in various places if there had not been this dearth of tourists. There are, of course, lies, damn lies and statistics, but going on holidays is becoming more popular. There is no compulsion on them to go anywhere in particular so they say: "Why not go to Cornwall, Devon, the Scilly Isles, the north of France which are not so expensive and just as close to the centre of England and Dublin?" They say: "Why not go there where there is likely to be no bombs? We do not even want people to be nasty to us." What they do not know is that the chance of anybody being nasty to them is minimal, that nobody will touch them, and that these are all isolated incidents on the part of subversive, smuggler, gangster devils.

The amounts for the development of supplementary holiday accommodation in the western counties, on the acquisition of lands and constructional works at airports and so on total millions of pounds, and are items that have to be provided for and will bring good to the nation.

There has been comment on various new taxes. Change in relation to taxation should always be slow and measured, but when it came to the stage that every girl who earned £9 a week had to pay tax under PAYE, then the demand for spreading the tax net became absolutely unanswerable. At that point the change began. I hope that as this develops, great care will be taken to note the effect of such taxes on production and employment, because one must not only gain revenue but at the same time generate economic activity.

That is the ever-present dilemma of the Minister for Finance and of any Cabinet, who must accept collective responsibility for all they do. If we can do that—and this budget goes a considerable distance in that direction in this difficult year—then there will be better opportunities for all. The striking fact that we need 30,000 new jobs per year in the next few years because of our EEC membership, population trend and so on, was described by the Minister for Finance as a challenge. It is more than a challenge. It is almost a crisis, and we must face that with the greatest courage and be prepared to do everything we possibly can to meet it fully. If people have the opportunity and incentive to expand and know the Government are giving them every help to expand their activities and employ more, and if we at the same time see that the tax load does not fall inordinately upon those who have least to pay, then I believe we will have succeeded.

I believe this budget is an interim measure. It is very foolish of any businessman, any board of directors or any government to regard a budget as the be all and the end all. Many companies make a loss in a year knowing full well they will make a good profit in the following year.

This is an instalment of the movement, as it must be, towards our position in the Common Market, as it must be brought about year by year and month by month. If at the end of another four or five years of good Coalition Government, I see our people considerably better off because of wise taxation moves and wise budgetary policy, if God spares me during that time, I will rest a little easier.

I listened to the Minister for Industry and Commerce speaking of the way he handled the fragile economy and nurtured it along. The Minister for Defence started off in a very rosy fashion. The longer he spoke the more problems seemed to arise. Those two speeches must be compared with the speeches of the Leader of the Fine Gael Party, the Leader of the Labour Party and the Minister for Finance. For months past, they were conditioning the people to face a stiff budget.

When Fianna Fáil left office three years ago, they handed over a healthy economy, not a fragile economy. Within three short years we have mass unemployment, and no apparent effort to curtail it. The Government blame outside influences, and influences beyond their control. A former leader of this party once said —and it applies to the Government just as it applies to an individual— that once you begin to feel sorry for yourself you are finished. We hear tales of woe from the Government in reply to parliamentary questions. They claim the problems are not of their making. There were problems when Fianna Fáil were in office, but Fianna Fáil tackled the problems. If the Coalition Government had taken the advice of the Fianna Fáil spokesman on Finance, Deputy Colley, over the past few years, we would not be in the position we are in today. The Coalition Government in their few short years borrowed more money than was borrowed in the previous 50 years.

The people have lost confidence in the Government. Last night we discussed the money which left the country for a gas pipeline, for ships, for printing and for furniture. This is a reflection on our workers. We were told they had not got the technical know-how. We were told recently they were not fit to produce quality furniture for Irish Life. To support his argument a spokesman for that company used a survey carried out in 1973 on our entry into the EEC. On that, he based his assumption that the industry was not fit to produce the furniture they wanted.

The report was critical of management and referred to weak financial structures, lack of co-operation and marketing expertise. My area is a prime area for the production of quality furniture. Since 1973, even in a period of severe depression, that industry has expanded, developed and modernised. It did this in the face of stern competition. The industry improved its management and increased its export sales. The spokesman for Irish Life did not take the trouble to examine the position of the furniture industry at present.

On a number of occasions Fianna Fáil Governments had the problem of getting this country moving again. They were conscious of the action which had to be taken. There would have been full co-operation from this side of the House to get the country moving again and create employment if the budget contained any worthwhile proposals to deal with the economy. It gives us no satisfaction to criticise the number unemployed. We want to see jobs provided. Our two main concerns are inflation and unemployment.

The Minister for Defence spoke about the rates. He was critical of our rates proposals and suggested we were not genuine about them, and that we were not committed to them, which is entirely wrong. We are committed to the abolition of rates on private dwellings. Towards the end of his speech the Minister mentioned tourism. If one sector of the economy has come out badly in the budget it is tourism. This industry needed an injection. After a few lean years it had begun to look up and it appeared that the future was bright for it.

Tourism is one of our three main industries. It is particularly valuable because it is an invisible asset. It is of advantage to us when we have a serious balance of payments problem. In addition the earnings from tourism have a multiplier effect in that most of the money passes from person to person which results in additional personal income. It also results in revenue to the State. Foreign currency is earned and for a country like this that is of prime importance. It is especially important in the case of the stronger currencies.

The tourist industry has suffered severely in recent years and one would have thought that in this budget at this point of time the Minister would have made an effort to help the tourist industry. The contrary is unfortunately the case. There is no help for the industry and practically every imposition in the budget is a blow to the industry, the most savage being the two-pronged attack on the motorist. Petrol is increased in price and so is the road tax. To both will be added the VAT increase in March.

The motor car is very important to the tourist. Some tourists bring their own cars on the ferries and some hire cars here. The Minister made no effort of any kind to soften the blow or cushion the impact on tourism. This may well result in keeping visitors away. The Minister could have softened the blow by some system of vouchers or permits for cheaper petrol. That would not eat deeply into revenue. Something on the lines I suggest will have to be done if we are serious about wanting to attract visitors here. There should be no great problem involved in a voucher scheme or points system at the port of entry. There would not be that much room for abuse. Remember, hotel charges have already been increased by 25 per cent. Add to that dance tax and increased value-added tax on luxuries. The holiday maker will be taxed very severely indeed. The danger is that tourists may well decide to enter in another part of the island where they will be able to fill up with cheaper petrol, buy cheaper gifts, souvenirs and so on. Indeed, they might also go so far as to purchase foodstuffs at lower prices than prevail in this part of the island. That could have a very serious effect on the tourist industry itself and on the economy generally. If something is not done to cushion the impact prospective visitors may opt to go elsewhere.

The majority of holiday makers work on a fixed budget. They want value for money and they will naturally go where they will get the best value. Our own people who come home for their holidays will think twice before they decide to come this year because of the increased cost.

Last year the amenity grant scheme was withdrawn. We hoped the Minister would reintroduce that scheme this year, but he has not done so. It was a worthwhile scheme from the point of view of providing employment in rural areas, to say nothing of the amenities it provided both for tourists and our own people.

Again, in regard to the rural improvements scheme, the Minister for Local Government sent circulars to local authorities in regard to the number of schemes approved, where contributions had been made and the number county councils were committed to carrying out. The Minister sought this information and the indication was that he had in mind the curtailment of the scheme. We are glad he has had a rethink. We are glad the scheme was not axed. We feared he was tempted to axe it.

The farming community are hard hit under the budget with the increase in road tax and the increase in the price of petrol. The effect will be very serious in rural areas. Their normal method of transporting milk to the creamery or meal to the farm is the trailer behind the large car. They are always on the lookout for high horsepower cars. They do not mind the petrol consumption because the mileage travelled is not excessive. Now, however, the position will be different. They will have to pay an increased price for their petrol and meet this massive increase in road tax. The car may not be worth £100 but they will be paying in excess of £100 in road tax. That is certainly a penal tax where a large old car is essential for haulage.

We had hoped that a change in the pattern of employment would be reflected in the budget. When drawing up the budget we felt the Government should have been conscious of the need to create employment and incentives for employment. Instead, the Department withdrew the £17 employment allowance to farmers. One must admit that this was a minimal amount. When it was introduced, it probably was worth while and was an incentive, but in present money values it is very small. The Government should have been very slow to withdraw this incentive, however small.

In County Monaghan there are something in the region of 700 small farmers in receipt of the £17 allowance for agricultural workers they employ or for members of their own families. As I have already said, the Department should have taken into account the fall-off in industrial employment when they were bringing in their plan. I believe there is an opening to create additional employment in agriculture and agricultural based industries.

In reply to a question last week the Taoiseach told us that we had imported fruit and vegetables in excess of £30 million. This is a ridiculous situation in a country like this where weather and soil conditions are favourable and the workforce is available. Such a thing may have been all right some years ago when we had full industrial employment and many farmers who had not sufficient acreage to get their livelihood solely from farming, took off-farming employment. When a change is made there should be a complete rethink of the situation.

In a previous debate I suggested that the Minister set up a fruit and vegetable board to look into this matter. For the first time ever Ireland will have had to import potatoes in January and February. This country was renowned for our production of ware potatoes. We were very large exporters of seed potatoes which brought in much needed capital. The position should be re-examined. A plan should be drawn up to make us self-sufficient. There has been a great deal of indecision regarding milk producers and we expected the budget to give some indication of the changes in the EEC directives on milk production.

A number of people mentioned health. Members of health boards or local advisory health committees are fully aware of the problems involved because there was not enough money to carry out all the necessary projects which had been approved, following consultation with the Department.

The Deputy will appreciate that he is going into matters that should be discussed on the Estimates. We are dealing with the general financial resolution in the budget.

I was concerned because additional money had not been provided in the budget for the health services.

The Chair wants to avoid the Deputy discussing anything which could be discussed in the Estimates which will be coming up at a later stage.

I was worried about the small amount of money which is being provided for health and we are not getting the extra money urgently required.

Mention was made of the Department of Local Government. The main concern is the small allocation of money. When extra money is derived from the road tax, I hope there will be an injection into the Road Fund. My county has a particular quibble in this regard because we suffered very badly at the hands of the Department when they were allocating money. While most counties got an increase, County Monaghan suffered a reduction. This has had a serious effect on our roads. Up to a few years ago we were served by railways but still had a great deal of through traffic on the main arterial routes from Derry and Enniskillen. If extra finance is not provided, if the roads are allowed to deteriorate, as they have been over the past few years, county councils will find themselves in a very serious position so far as road work is concerned.

Another Member from this side of the House mentioned that the Department of Local Government will in future allocate money on the strength of the CMO's report. It seems very strange that there should be a change of heart because just over a year ago local authorities were asked to draw up a five-year housing programme. They were asked to give details of the sites, the number of houses and the need for them, but if they now demand the CMO's report on housing conditions it will seriously affect the housing programmes of many local authorities, particularly those authorities who planned and programmed in advance.

I agree with the Minister when he said it is getting harder to attract industries to the regions we represent, the Border regions. For this reason the Government, through the IDA, will have to provide additional incentives to encourage industrialists to those areas. It should be remembered also that many of the existing industries are suffering from a fall off in employment. Many people are unemployed in those areas. There are many small farmers who were dependent on the building industry for work and for this reason representatives were concerned because the Minister did not inject a massive sum of money into the building industry. It was not necessary that this be confined to the building of houses; the Minister could have given additional capital for the erection of schools and other public buildings. Had the Minister done this a big number of people would have been taken off the unemployment register within a short time.

The Minister has also created a problem for those fortunate enough to have work in those areas because many of them must use cars to get to their place of employment. In some cases workers have to travel up to 50 miles to their work. Such workers, as a result of this budget, have to face the massive increase in the cost of road tax and in the price of petrol. The Minister was not helpful to the small co-operatives by imposing a tax on them. That tax will not have a great effect on the large co-operatives but it will do damage to the small concerns, particularly those along the western seaboard.

Small farmers depend on those co-operatives because the profits made by them are used to provide additional services and benefits for the farming community. It was wrong of the Minister to impose that tax. At present many farmers would be pleased to have additional credit but it will be difficult for the small co-operative to give them this facility now.

The Minister has decided to impose a tax on liquified petroleum, something which requires examination because of the danger of pollution of the atmosphere if there is a big swing to its use. It was stated that during the Adjournment debate before the Christmas recess I had asked for the withdrawal of VAT from furniture. I asked that VAT on imported furniture be imposed at the point of entry and not at the point of sale. The furniture manufacturers in my area were at a disadvantage because they had to compete against importers on whose products VAT was imposed only at the point of sale. This meant that furniture imported could be sold at a keener price. VAT on furniture has now been increased from 19.50 per cent to 20 per cent.

The VAT on short-term car hire, at present exempt, will be 1 per cent from March and I believe this will have a serious effect on tourism. The 1 per cent VAT credit that was allowed to farmers and fishermen will be abolished. Its abolition will mean that the farmers who supply milk will have to suffer a loss of ½p per gallon in the price they receive. I am not deeply concerned about the increase in the price of beer and spirits because it was accepted that they would probably be increased. However, the increase in petrol prices will have a bearing on many other things. It will mean higher distribution and production costs and it will have a serious effect on the cost of living.

The Minister for Defence said that Fianna Fáil should have adjusted the social welfare benefits when they were in power. I would point out to the Minister that they had three years to do it and whatever they did they used to good advantage in the by-election campaign in Mayo. I would appeal to the Minister seriously to consider the question of supplying petrol vouchers to tourists; otherwise the budget will adversely affect our tourist industry.

The budget has not achieved what it should do, namely, to take people from the dole queues and to provide work for them. The only way to restore confidence is to ensure that people have work. It is the job of the Government to ensure that everyone has the opportunity to work.

The Minister for Finance should be embarrassed at the reactions of most groups and organisations to his budget. With the exception of the Irish Housewives' Association, all the organisations said the budget was a total failure, one that will increase the cost of living and that will add further numbers to the unemployed. As I have stated, the only organisation that did not approve of the budget was the Irish Housewives' Association. My mind goes back to three years ago when we were in office and every time there was an increase they were on radio or were mentioned in the newspapers talking about it. Their inactivity since the last election has been noticeable. Now we hear nothing from them. I know that the Government put the chairman of the organisation on the National Prices Commission and perhaps she may not be able to say anything.

The universal denunciation of the budget was unusual. Even the social welfare recipients and people who got some benefits have said that what they got was not enough. They are quite right in this because the increase they received was only 10 per cent while the cost of living increase has been from 15 to 20 per cent. Everyone is suffering from the budget, even those who are not well off.

The car tax is hitting quite severely at those who live in the country. Many of those people use their cars to go to work; in my constituency many of them work in Dublin. The increase in taxation on medium-sized cars has been quite dramatic. The only car that is not affected too much is the Mini but people in the country do not use that kind of car. It is usually the second car of the wealthy; frequently it is used by a wife to go shopping or to take her children to school. People in the less well off sector are being badly hit. Hard-working men who are employed in the building industry or who work in towns or cities and who must use their cars every day are being most adversely affected and their car tax has practically doubled.

There is no justification for the increase in the price of petrol. The Minister is gaining much more from the petrol than are the Arabs. He may say that the Arabs are putting up the price; last December they increased it by 5p but the Minister has imposed an increase of 13.25p—10p now and 3.25p in March. It was the same last year because, with a stroke of the pen, he increased the price by 15p at a time when the Arabs imposed an increase of 3p or 4p. It is no use blaming the Arabs for this and saying that because of the price of petrol they are responsible for our balance of payments problem or for our inflation. Inflation here is caused by the Government's mismanagement of the economy. Industrialists will tell you that we are responsible for 80 per cent of our increased costs.

Debate adjourned.
Adjournment Debate:
Meath Holding.

I wish to thank the Chair for giving me an opportunity of raising this matter. I consider the Land Commission have discriminated against two hard-working individuals who are trying their utmost to keep their cattle. Those people are not well off. Because they love the land they try to have a few cattle and to work the land. Some of them work elsewhere during the day but their hearts are in the land. They have not got sufficient land on which to make a living. I understand that last year they bid £42 an acre for this land. The Minister says the Land Commission got no money but I wonder is it the case that the Land Commission would not accept the money? The land was vacated at the end of November.

(Cavan): I do not want to interrupt the Deputy but I want to be in a position to reply to him. Is the Deputy saying that somebody paid or agreed to pay money for this between 27th February, 1975 and 3rd November, 1975?

I know they offered £42 an acre last February or sometime last spring, whenever they were taking the land. If nothing has been paid I would like to know whether the Land Commission refused to take money.

This, as far as I know, is the only farm in County Meath that has been put up for private tender. I believe there were only five tenders for it. Those men handed in their tender at the very end. The auctioneer looked at it and said that he could not say one way or another as he had to consult one of the other people who had tendered. He said he would let them know, but he never came back. I am sure the Land Commission like to get the highest price for land so one would imagine that the auctioneer would have come back to those people. He did not. They tendered £60 an acre and the successful tender was for £61 per acre. It seems to me that the Land Commission simply did not want to let the land to those people. The person who has taken it for the year happens to be a single man who has an economic holding of over 60 acres. It looks bad that a man like him should be given the land when two people, both with large families, who are trying to get a few extra pounds, are deprived by a Department of State of the use of this land. On would imagine that the Land Commission would be doing their utmost to facilitate people such as this.

I raised this on the Adjournment because I believe that an injustice has been done. The Minister may say that the Land Commission have had a good deal of trouble with this estate over the years. Even so, I still think it is not fair to victimise people like this.

(Cavan): The area of land, approximately 15 acres, to which Deputy Crinion is referring, is part of an estate known as the Kolln Estate. It is an estate of some 100 acres of land which was acquired by the Land Commission in 1964-65. Over the years, as Deputy Crinion knows, the Land Commission have had endless trouble over this estate. The buildings on the estate were damaged if not bombed. In an effort to provide holdings for migrants it was necessary for the Land Commission to build a dwelling house and other buildings on it. Some local people, and I believe one of the people in whom Deputy Crinion is interested, interfered with the building, obstructed the operations, made it impossible for the builders and the Land Commission to provide a holding for the migrants. The result was that the Land Commission had to take proceedings in the High Court and get an injunction against an individual to restrain him from his illegal activities, from his obstruction of the lawful business of the Land Commission. That in general is the background of this estate.

Deputy Crinion has been involved in many other activities which have been under censure in this House.

The Minister should be allowed to make his speech without interruption and in his own way.

(Cavan): That might not be strictly relevant to this matter.

Is it not a statement of fact?

(Cavan): To get to the recent dealings with this particular land, the Land Commission let land `in various ways, usually by public auction. I concede right away that this is the fairest way to let land because it gives everybody an opportunity. If there are peculiar reasons, as there were in this case, it is let by private treaty or tender.

On 27th February, 1975, this particular parcel of land was offered for letting by public auction and it transpired that when the auctioneers, Messrs. Lowry and Co. of Kells, who have been acting for the Land Commission for many years, attended there to conduct an auction they found that there were cattle already on this particular portion of land. There was an offer of £25 per acre on 27th February, 1975, for the land and the gentleman who made that offer—I believe one of the men in whom Deputy Crinion is interested—increased the offer to £41 but he was told that that offer would not be accepted. Notwithstanding that he put his cattle on the land. A higher offer, £45 per acre, was received later on the day of the auction but it could not be accepted because Deputy Crinion's friend had illegally and without authority and notwithstanding the fact that he had not taken a letting of the land stocked the land with his cattle and those cattle remained on the land until 3rd November, 1975. In other words, this gentleman illegally occupied and grazed this land in pursuance of his illegal campaign over the years in regard to this land.

Deputy Crinion has already made allegations——

Listen here, you bum——

That is not relevant to this debate. The Minister, without interruption.

I am very sure it is not.

Deputy Coughlan should look after his constituency as well as Deputy Crinion looks after his. How many unemployed are there in Limerick? There is no use putting on a show in regard to the unemployed. The Deputy should be at home doing it now.

Let the interruptions cease. Let the debate proceed in an orderly manner. There should be no further reference to extraneous matters.

(Cavan): When the 1976 season came the Land Commission had to decide what was the best way of letting this land and of ensuring that anarchy did not continue to prevail in that locality because I cannot think of any better description of a situation in which people take over land, graze it, put cattle on it and use it as their own without a thought for anybody. That is anarchy and it cannot be described as anything else. I do not suppose Deputy Crinion has come into this House to justify or condone that.

That is what he is doing.

(Cavan): The Land Commission decided that the best way to let the land this year was to let it by private treaty. I concede that sometimes a closing date is not given but on this occasion a closing date was given in view of the experience of the previous year. Because a closing date apparently had not been given and negotiations were going on, this man goes in, takes possession of the land, puts cattle on it, presents the Land Commission with a fait accompli, using the land but not paying for it. The advertisement this year read as follows:

We have received instructions from the Irish Land Commission (Kolln Estate) to let by private treaty grazing division "Wee Shankill" 14 acres 3 roods, 20 perches I.M. Term to 31/10/'76. Closing date for receiving bids, Saturday, 13th December, 1975.

On that closing date, as Deputy Crinion `says, a number of bids was received. The highest bid was £61 an acre which I am advised was an excellent price, a very good price. There were five other bids but the highest bid was £61 an acre and the auctioneers in the course of their duty and in accordance with their instructions let the land to the man who paid £61 an acre. I make no apology on behalf of the Land Commission or on my own behalf for having done that and if it frustrated the illegal activities of the previous year, then a good day's work was done.

I should like to take this opportunity of saying that if people band themselves into a group in an effort to agitate or to obstruct the Land Commission or to exert demands on land, they are serving no useful purpose; they are not doing themselves any good. All they are doing is delaying the division of land. I want to see land divided. I do not want to be repeating this but since I became Minister I strengthened the inspectorate of the Land Commission by over 20 with a view to getting the work done. The Land Commission will not give in to tactics of this sort, bully-boy tactics.

Let me intervene at this stage. It is not the first mistake Deputy Crinion has made.

Deputy Coughlan, please desist.

It is not the first allegation he has made. He made another allegation for which he will be censured in due course.

Why does that bum not talk about a betting tax?

The Deputy was standing drinks all around the place when the Minister did not impose a betting tax in the budget.

(Cavan): I want to make it perfectly clear that this is the first time that I have been back on the Adjournment since I became Minister and if this were only a letting question I do not think I would be back. I am glad that Deputy Crinion did bring me back because it gives me this opportunity of saying that the Land Commission let land fairly and squarely by public auction and if a case arises——

And to show up Deputy Crinion for what he is.

Pipe down. The Minister is thanking the Deputy for giving him the opportunity.

(Cavan): If a case arises where land is not let by public auction, it is notice to the world that there is mischief going on in the locality, that there is obstruction going on, that if a decent man bids the highest price he will be interfered with, that the auction will be interfered with, that the auction will be boycotted, that the road will be painted. That is what would have happened in this case. I am glad that a decent man came along in spite of this and gave £61 an acre for the land, which was an excellent price. If Deputy Crinion has done nothing more—I do not know whether he is associated with these people——

Of course.

(Cavan):——I do not know whether he approves of them or not.

You agreed that the Land Commission would not let two labouring men take 14 acres of land. If you were in this place you would be kicking up murder over them.

You are under censure here at this moment.

The publican is the only one the Deputy is interested in.

How many men do you employ?

A hell of a lot more than you do.

I have news for you.

(Cavan): Deputy Crinion is more familiar with the local set-up. I do not think he can deny that what I have said is the truth. If by bringing up this matter he serves notice on his friends or enemies or all the people in that locality that these bully-boy tactics will do them no good he has done a good afternoon's work.

The Dáil adjourned at 5.20 p.m. until 2.30 p.m. on Tuesday, 10th February, 1976.

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