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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 28 Apr 1977

Vol. 298 No. 12

Vote 9: Public Works and Buildings.

I move:

That a sum not exceeding £25,868,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of December, 1977, for the salaries and expenses of the Office of Public Works; for expenditure in respect of public buildings; for the maintenance of certain parks and public works; for the execution and maintenance of drainage and other engineering works; for expenditure arising from damage to the property of External Governments; and for payment of a grant-in-aid.

The net amount originally allocated for Vote 9—Public Works and Buildings— for 1977, as shown in the Book of Estimates, was £25,868,000. In addition to this, the Government have since allocated to the Office of Public Works a further sum of £2,000,000 out of the additional £55.5 million being provided to improve job prospects following ratification of the new national pay agreement in February. This brings the net total being made available for Public Works and Buildings for the current year to £27,868,000.

It is intended that the additional allocation will be distributed over three subheads as follows:

Subhead E—New Works, Alterations and Additions

£1,600,000

Subhead F1—Maintenance and Supplies

£200,000

Subhead G2—Arterial Drainage Construction Works

£200,000

I will be introducing a Supplementary Estimate later in the year to cover the additional allocation.

I will now comment on the various subheads that make up the Estimate. Subheads A1, A2, B1, B2 and C cover the administrative expenses of the Office of Public Works. The provision under subhead D covers purchases of sites and premises for various Government services, including the acquisition of the fee simple of some existing leasehold properties. The subhead provides also for the purchase of land required for the national monuments service and for national parks and amenity areas. As Deputies will be aware from previous statements the Commissioners of Public Works are actively engaged in the creation of a network of national parks throughout the country, in order to conserve areas of outstanding scenic, scientific, historic and recreational values for the benefit and enjoyment of our own people and visitors from abroad. The key to the establishment of such parks is, of course, the acquisition of lands suitable for such purposes and as the commissioners have no power to acquire such lands compulsorily the success of their programme depends to a great extent on the willingness of people to sell their lands for such a worthy purpose.

As we know there is a deep attachment to the soil in Ireland and a great reluctance to part with the ownership of land. It is gratifying, therefore, to record that in their negotiations so far the commissioners have met with an understanding and co-operative attitude from the various landowners approached and the successful completion of negotiations was due in large measure to this attitude.

During the past few months the commissioners took possession of the lands at Letterfrack and Kylemore, County Galway as a nucleus of a national park in Connemara to which I made reference when introducing last year's Estimate, and negotiations are at present in progress for a number of adjoining areas.

Because of the national and international importance of the Burren, County Clare, as an area of unique botanical, geological and archaeological interest, the Minister for Finance has authorised my office to establish a national park there. A start has been made by the acquisition of 59 acres in the Mullaghmore area north of Corrofin, a further 295 acres are at present being acquired and negotiations are in progress for the purchase of a number of other holdings. The purchase of the highly scenic area at Glena adjoining the Killarney Lakes has been completed and negotiations are well advanced for the acquisition of some further small but significant properties to round off the national park in that area.

Subhead E covers the cost of new and improved accommodation for various Government Departments and the services they administer and of improved facilities for these services. The building programme for Dublin and the provinces to which I referred last year is now in process of implementation. The cost of providing improved facilities at national parks, waterways and monuments and of certain marine works is also included under this subhead. The total amount being made available this year for these works is £7,600,000, that is, the £6,000,000 in the Estimate and the additional allocation of £1,600,000.

A list of all the works on which expenditure will be incurred in the current year has been supplied to Deputies. I will comment on the more significient items. The installation of a stand-by generator, to provide emergency electricity supply for Leinster House and Government Buildings in the event of power failure, is nearing completion. Additional space has been provided and fitted out for Oireachtas purposes in Kildare Street. The final stage of this work was completed recently. The space made available in Leinster House has been refurbished. The work of refurbishing the South Block of Government Buildings is almost completed and most of the accommodation is now in use. Work on the North Block will be started this year.

Provision is made for Clare Island. County Mayo, to continue a scheme to improve landing facilities in the interests of transport and communication with the mainland. The improvements involve widening the pier, raising the level of its deck, providing a sloping quay, a crane, a winch and a boat cradle. Due to contractual difficulties the completion of this work has suffered delay. There is provision also for a boring survey at Inishbofin, County Galway, to investigate the feasibility and estimated cost of dredging a channel which is necessary to improve transport facilities and communications with the mainland. Provision is also made for a boring survey at Courtmacsherry, County Cork, to investigate the possibility of constructing a new jetty in the commercial and sea angling interest.

Temporary additional accommodation has been provided in part of the former St. Vincent's Hospital premises at Lower Leeson Street for some of the State Laboratory staff and the planning of a new building to provide suitable permanent accommodation for the entire State Laboratory has been commenced.

Additional accommodation is being adapted and fitted out for some of the Valuation Office staff.

A total of £36,500 is being provided for works at the Ordnance Survey. The new printing building has been completed and work is well advanced on a scheme of improvements to the residential quarters and on the provision of canteen facilities.

A sum of £156,500 has been allocated to works for the Revenue Commissioners. £75,000 of this is in respect of the provision of improved office accommodation in Dublin and the remainder is for buildings in the border area, at Clones, Monaghan, Carrigans, Blacklion, Dundalk and Ballyshannon. I am glad to say that the new Customs Road Station at Monaghan and the new offices at Ballyshannon have been completed and that work is in progress at the custom post at Clones and at the Dundalk Customs Road Station.

I am providing £320,000 for the provision of improved facilities at parks, on the Shannon navigation and at national monuments.

A total of £77,000 is being provided for works at St. Enda's Rathfarnham. The first phase of the internal rehabilitation of the building is in progress and is expected to be completed by the end of the year. It is hoped to start work shortly on the provision of a natural history exhibition centre and of a garage, office and store for use in connection with the maintenance of the park.

The installation of the new water supply at Muckross House, Killarney is nearing completion and it is hoped to invite tenders for the sewerage scheme before the end of this year. This scheme will provide for the treatment of nutrients. Following the recent agreement with the trustees of Muckross House, Killarney in relation to a new management structure for the House, it has been decided to improve and expand the interpretive and educational aspects of the house so that visitors to the national park may obtain the greatest possible benefit from their visits. These improvements will be carried out over a period of three to five years and a provision of £7,000 has been included this year to enable the first stage to be put in hands.

I am pleased to say that a contract has been placed for the construction of a new visitors' waiting centre and caretaker's cottage at Gearhameen at the entrance to the Upper Lake, Killarney and a sum of £22,000 is being provided for this work during the current year.

Knockreer House—formerly Kenmare House—Killarney is to be adapted for use as a biological research and field studies centre related to Killarney National Park. Biological research is a vital function in the scientific management of a national park especially in an area like Killarney which embraces such a varied natural and semi-natural environment. To take advantage of the results of biological research in the park it is proposed to establish a non-residential field studies centre in this building. The house will also be used as an auxiliary visitor centre for the national park.

There is provision to clear the amount outstanding for the restoration carried out on the east wing of Kilkenny Castle. Since it was opened to the public in August last over 15,000 have visited the castle. Facilities are available for art exhibitions and music recitals and I am pleased that these facilities are being availed of by cultural organisations.

Last year I expressed the hope that a start would be made on the provision of additional public toilets in Phoenix Park. Due to planning difficulties the project has been delayed but it is hoped to make a start this year on the provision of toilet and car parking facilities near Knockmaroon Gate. This area is being frequented by increasing numbers of visitors since the opening of the Furry Glen nature trail.

When introducing last year's Estimate I indicated that our scheme for the development of the Phoenix Park extension was being re-examined in the light of Dublin Corporation's proposals for road improvements for the area. Deputies will recall that it was intended to incorporate a public golf course in the overall scheme. It has since transpired that a much reduced area of land will be available for development and it has, therefore, been decided to abandon the golf course proposal. The commissioners intend instead to prepare alternative plans for the area which will provide recreational facilities for a wider public. Details of these plans will be announced in due course.

The comprehensive planning study of Glenveagh National Park which I mentioned last year and which is being carried out in conjunction with An Bord Fáilte is making satisfactory progress and some basic conclusions have already been reached concerning the development of access points and the location of a main visitor reception area. Arrangements have recently been made with Donegal County Council for certain roadworks at the main access point and it is expected that these works will be undertaken shortly. Until such time as these and other works are completed public access to the park will have to be curtailed.

A sum of £8,000 has been allocated for preliminary development work at Connemara National Park. This will include the provision of a car park and limited visitor facilities at the Letterfrack end of the park. Planning has commenced on the development of an amenity area on the mainland opposite Garnish Island.

The sum of £91,000 has been provided this year for the development of the River Shannon. The number of people taking cruising holidays has increased steadily over the last few years and the Shannon has now become a major tourism asset. The provision of facilities to keep pace with the increasing cruiser traffic is vitally important and to this end my office are carrying out an extensive programme of works. These include the construction of a major new harbour at Portumna, County Galway, and of additional landing places at strategic points on the river and lakes. The restoration of the Lough Allen Canal from Battlebridge to Acres Lough is now nearing completion and it is hoped to open this section of the navigation to traffic within a matter of months.

Last year the Office of Public Works received the Shannon Tourism and Recreation Study which they had commissioned in conjunction with Bord Fáilte. This document, which assesses the recreational and tourist development of the Shannon and what is required to cater for it, has proved very helpful and will be used as a basis for development on the Shannon over the next decade.

A total of £22,000 is required this year for new works in connection with the provision of facilities for visitors to certain national monuments. At Cahir Castle, County Tipperary, a national heritage exhibition centre, set up jointly by Bord Fáilte and the Office of Public Works, has been open to the public since August, 1975, and has proved to be a great attraction. The provision of the ancillary facilities will be completed this year.

The restoration of the vicars choral at the Rock of Cashel to serve as a visitors' reception area, which is nearing completion, should enhance the public's appreciation of this great monument. Improved visitor facilities are being planned at Clonmacnoise. These will operate in conjunction with a new jetty to improve accessibility to the monument from the Shannon. Negotiations for the purchase of the necessary land are in progress. Work is well advanced on the construction of an office building at Inchicore to house staff of the computer section of the Department of the Public Service.

The provision under the heading of the Department of Justice amounts to £1,282,000. This includes for the improvement of the accommodation of the courts of justice, but the main bulk of the provision is in respect of the erection of new Garda stations and the improvement of existing Garda buildings. This programme is going very well. Fifteen stations were completed last year and work is in progress at 34 centres. Three more contracts are about to be placed and planning of a number of others is in hands. Amongst the centres recently completed are Granard, where a new district headquarters has been opened, and a new divisional headquarters at Limerick which will be opened shortly. Work is in progress on buildings at Castleblayney, Castlerea, Kanturk, Newcastle West and Swords. A scheme for major improvements at Portlaoise Garda station has commenced and it is expected that a contract will be placed shortly for an extension to the station at Finglas. Planning is well advanced for a divisional headquarters at Monaghan and for district headquarters at Carrick-on-Shannon and Manorhamilton.

For the purpose of providing improved accommodation for the courts of justice the former Four Courts Hotel has been purchased and accommodation leased in a new building in the vicinity. Provision is being made for adaptation work at these premises. The new offices in Athlone for some sections of the Department of Education are nearly completed and will shortly be available for occupation.

We have two projects for the National Museum. It is hoped that work will commence this year on the rewiring of the main building. Additional accommodation is being provided in a rented development at Merrion Row and when it has been fitted out to the requirements of the Museum it will give much needed extra space for the exhibition of their expanding collections.

Planning is proceeding for a scheme to provide expansion space for the National Library in premises in Kildare Street and in Leinster Lane. The library badly needs this extra space to relieve serious congestion in their existing premises.

The new offices in Castlebar were completed and occupied last year and provision is made here to pay balances of contractors' and suppliers' accounts.

New offices are to be provided at Furbo for some staff of the Department of the Gaeltacht. Planning is in hands and it is expected that tenders for the construction work will be invited this year.

We now come to works totalling £525,200 for the Department of Agriculture and for the Fisheries Division which was until recently part of that Department. The items include new buildings, alterations and additions to existing buildings at various agricultural centres and improved accommodation at the Botanic Gardens, including a new library and herbarium, to provide better research facilities for students.

The following is some additional information on particular items. Detailed planning for the provision of new buildings at the Botanic Gardens is well advanced. Tenders have been invited for the erection of a new staff and student canteen. A total of £225,000 is included for works at Abbotstown Farm. The provision of a milking parlour and incinerator is nearing completion. Work is in progress on the new laboratory and office accommodation for the scientific and research staff of the Fisheries Division and on the erection of a residence for the field station manager. Tenders for the provision of loose box accommodation are under consideration.

Work is in progress on the provision of additional facilities, including a new office building and equipment store, at the performance testing station, Tully, County Kildare. It is now proposed that the new building to house the butter and seed testing stations will be erected at Abbotstown Farm instead of at Thorndale as originally proposed. The accommodation requirements are at present being drawn up by the Department of Agriculture. Work has commenced on the provision of an extension to the brucellosis laboratory at Thorndale. A contract has been placed for the provision of a new office building for the district veterinary staff at Raphoe, County Donegal.

Planning is proceeding for the provision of extra accommodation for students at Ballyhaise Agricultural College. An extention to the fisheries research station at Dunmore East fishery harbour centre is required to cater for the expansion of the station's activities. Provision is required for the construction of a fisheries research station at Castletownbere fishery harbour centre. Work will commence shortly on a scheme of improvements to the Geological Survey Office in Kildare Street.

A contract is about to be placed for the erection of a new training school and synoptic reporting station for the meteorological service of the Department of Transport and Power at Murrough, County Galway. Tenders for the erection of a new meteorological station at Claremorris, County Mayo are under consideration. A new meteorological station is planned for Johnstown Castle, County Wexford.

A sum of £436,800 is required for the Department of Posts and Telegraphs. A new post office at Donegal, an extension to Letterkenny post office and the modernisation of Cobh post office have been completed while a new post office at Clonmel is in course of erection. Planning for new post offices at Longford, Mullingar and Tipperary is well advanced and new post offices at Fermoy and Navan are proposed.

The modernisation of Ballyhaunis post office is in progress while modernisation schemes are planned for Enniscorthy, Limerick, Roscommon, Thurles and Waterford post offices. The adaptation of a former school in Ballinlough, Cork, for use as a sorting office is in progress. Additional sorting office accommodation in Dublin is planned. The installation of a ventilation system in the Central Sorting Office, Sheriff Street and of a sprinkler system at St. John's Road depot have been completed.

In addition to the schemes covered by this Estimate the Office of Public Works will carry out works in connection with the telephone services at an estimated cost of £4 million which will be met from the telephone capital account.

An amount of £189,500 is provided for works for embassy buildings abroad. Fitting-out has been completed at the residence for the EEC mission in Brussels, the combined residence and chancery in Moscow— including the furnishing of staff accommodation—and the chancery in Vienna. The fitting out of the new residence in Lisbon, the chancery at Berne and the embassies at Cairo, Jeddah and Teheran is in progress.

Improvements have been completed at the Paris embassy and are in progress at the London embassy and at the consulate general in New York. Improvements are being planned for the residences in Bonn and Ottawa. The erection of a new chancery and residence in Canberra is being planned.

A site has been acquired at Dún Laoghaire for a new employment exchange and planning of the proposed new building is in hands. I am glad to be able to say that progress is being made with the programme whereby the State will design and erect its own office buildings. Construction work is now in progress on stage 1 of a new Garda Síochána headquarters at the Depot, Phoenix Park, on a Meteorological Office headquarters at Glasnevin and on two other office buildings, one in Shelbourne Road and the other at Earlsfort Terrace. It is hoped to be able to invite tenders this year for a new building at Beggars Bush to house the Geological Survey and the Labour Court, and for the reconstruction of blocks 8-10 in the Upper Yard at Dublin Castle.

It is also hoped to invite tenders in the current year for new Government offices at Cork, Waterford, Mullingar, Portlaoise, Thurles and Kilkenny. Planning of a number of other projects is proceeding well including headquarters for the Department of Defence, a headquarters for the Dublin Metropolitan Garda, an office development on the former St. Vincent's Hospital property at the rere of 93-99 Lower Lesson Street, the rehabilitation of nos. 14-16 Upper Merrion Street, and stage II of the Garda Headquarters at the Garda Depot.

In all these developments the Office of Public Works are fully conscious of their obligations to preserve our architectural heritage through conservation and preservation of buildings of architectural or historical merit with which they are concerned. The greatest possible care is taken in relation to any such buildings which might be affected by development proposals and the policy is being continued of calling upon outside expertise as well as upon the expert knowledge available within the office.

There is provision in respect of the fitting-out of premises, mainly rented office blocks, for occupation by various Departments. This covers the erection of partitions, supply of furniture, light fittings and so on. The scheme for the adaptation for concert hall purposes of part of the UCD premises at Earlsfort Terrace is almost ready and it is hoped to invite tenders within a couple of months. If all goes well it should be possible to start work on the site at the end of this year. The work will take about two years to complete, dependent of course on the availability of the Great Hall and the other areas required.

Planning is well advanced for the next stage of the restoration of the Royal Hospital. As I mentioned last year this is a large and complex project involving careful restoration. Planning is a slow and painstaking exercise calling for a good deal of research. While it is difficult in the circumstances to say precisely when the planning will be completed it is hoped to be in a position to invite tenders towards the end of the year. The work of restoration will extend over a period of years.

Subhead F1 provides for the normal maintenance of State-owned property, which includes such varied items as Government offices, garda stations, post offices, agricultural institutions, embassies abroad and State harbours. The subhead covers also the management and maintenance of parks under the control of the Commissioners of Public Works. Broadly speaking, the commissioners are required to manage these parks as public parks for the general purpose of the recreation and enjoyment of the public. In the special case of national parks there is the paramount obligation to conserve the natural resources of the parks which in fact is the primary purpose of creating such parks.

I should like to take this opportunity to refer again to a question which has been raised with me by a number of organisations in recent years. This is the subject of camping in national parks. I can understand readily why national parks would appeal to campers and caravanners alike, and I am aware that in certain countries, where national parks are very large, camping has been allowed in specific areas laid out for that purpose. I am aware also however, that this practice has in recent years raised serious problems for the park services concerned. Experience has shown that these camping sites become so popular that there is an ever-increasing demand for expansion of the sites, leading to the gradual erosion and degradation of the natural resources of the parks.

Originally only the simplest camping facilities were sought and provided but with the passage of time and the enactment of legislation to control such sites it became necessary to provide more sophisticated facilities such as roads, fences, water supplies, electricity and sewage hookups, restaurants, washrooms, lavatories, large reception and entertainment centres, control and supervision buildings and so on. Such camp grounds are essentially urban in character and devoid of natural atmosphere and have in some instances been referred to as "camping slums". They also eventually create the necessity for night supervision and arrangements for the arrest and detention of offenders.

Furthermore, the presence of overnight visitors in national parks poses a serious threat to wildlife. At Killarney we have during the years had problems with deer poachers and while we now have an effective wardening system in operation we would make the wardens' job a lot more difficult if we were to permit camping or other overnight stays in the park.

It has been suggested that a special case can be made for scouts and other youth groups. This I do not accept. In the first place the commissioners would be required to decide what youth groups should and what groups should not be allowed to avail of the camp grounds. This would be an unenviable if not impossible task. In the second place if scouts and other organised youth groups were allowed to camp why should individual family groups, whose only chance of a holiday may be a camping holiday, be refused permission?

In any event, judging by the number of applications which are received each year from scouting and other youth organisations it would be necessary to set aside an extensive area of the park to cope with the demand. It is my firm opinion that camping and caravan sites would be best located outside our national parks and managed by private enterprise. I am satisfied, therefore, that the decision not to allow camping in national parks is the right one and must stand.

This subhead covers also the cost of maintaining the Shannon Navigation. As I said earlier, the popularity of the River Shannon for pleasure cruising continues to grow and all the indications are that this trend will continue in the years ahead. This calls for a slightly increased rate of expenditure on maintenance as well as on additional facilities, but this is money well spent. For the effective management of the Shannon navigation new bye-laws relevant to the present usage are essential but to enable such bye-laws to be made revised legislation will be required. I am hopeful that I will have a Bill ready for introduction before the end of the year.

Subhead F2 provides for the supply of replacement furniture and of additional items required for existing State buildings. Subhead F3, which provides for rents, will require a substantially increased provision over the 1976 figure. This is accounted for partly by leases coming due for review and partly by the leasing of new premises to relieve overcrowding and to replace old premises which had become unsuitable.

Subhead F4 bears the cost of fuel and light for all Government offices. The continuing increases in the cost of all fuel and the amount of additional accommodation requiring heat and light account for the increase in the provision necessary under this subhead.

Subhead F5 provides for the cost of compensation and so on arising from damage to the property of external governments. The provision of £10,000 is required to meet the balance of the expenditure incurred on the reconstruction of the former British embassy premises at Merrion Square.

Subhead F6 is a new subhead which is required to meet expenditure by the Commissioners of Public Works on repairs to Waterford courthouse. The Minister for Justice, acting under section 6 of the Courthouses (Provision and Maintenance) Act, 1935 directed the commissioners to put the accommodation at this courthouse into proper order. An estimate of the cost of the work has not yet been made but it is hoped that it will be possible to have work commenced by the end of the year. The costs and expenses incurred by the commissioners on the work are, under the Act referred to, recoverable from the local authorities.

The G subheads provide for expenditure in connection with the arterial drainage programme which is being carried out under the Arterial Drainage Act, 1945. Subhead G1 provides for the carrying out of certain hydrometric studies and of comprehensive drainage surveys which are a necessary preliminary to arterial drainage schemes. For this, £91,000 is requested; last year's provision was £79,000. As in the case of previous years, most of the provision is needed to continue hydrometric investigations. The amount included for catchment surveys is £10,500.

It was hoped last year to do cost-benefit studies on the Bonet and Boyle catchments but much had to be done and these studies did not get under way. I now hope that they will be carried out this year. The report on the Maigue study is at present being printed for publication.

Subhead G2 provides for expenditure on drainage schemes in progress. The sum of £3,325,000 is being made available for 1977, that is, £3,125,000 in the Estimate and the additional allocation of £200,000. This amount which is an increase of over £100,000, or about 45 per cent, on last year's provision, will enable operations on the Boyne and Maigue schemes to be accelerated. It is hoped that the Corrib-Mask-Robe scheme can be commenced later in this year.

Work has been in progress for more than 30 years on arterial drainage schemes carried out under the Arterial Drainage Act, 1945, and perhaps the time has come to review our policies and programmes in the light of what has been achieved in the meantime. As this House is aware, current programmes are based on settled priorities accorded to about 60 of the most important catchments in the country and this has facilitated orderly planning up to now. We must, however, ask ourselves from time to time whether longestablished policies and priorities continue to be the best ones to pursue in the light of ever changing circumstances. For example, there are several hundred smaller catchments which are not included in any priority list and for which the prospects of the benefits of arterial drainage are remote so long as present policies are pursued. I am not satisfied that the criteria of size should determine that such cases should continue to be excluded indefinitely from consideration. While continuing, therefore, for the present to direct our main effort to the catchments in the established priority lists I have arranged for a review of policy to ascertain if it would be appropriate to broaden our present programme so that some of the smaller catchments could be included in the future.

A total of £1,163,000, an increase of £134,000 over last year will be required under subhead G3 which provides for the maintenance of completed drainage schemes and embankment works. The increase in expenditure under this heading is attributable to increased wages and other costs. As statutorily provided, the cost of maintenance is recoverable from the county councils concerned.

Last year's provision of £1,000 for the acquisition of lands under the District of Fergus Drainage Act, 1943, is being repeated. A total of £917,000 is required for subhead H for the purchase and maintenance of engineering plant and machinery, mainly for arterial drainage work, the purchase of stores and the payment of wages to the staff of the central engineering workshop.

Subhead I bears the cost of the construction and maintenance of coast protection schemes. Coast erosion is a problem which is constantly being raised with me and I am very concerned that the Office of Public Works should be in a position to investigate and reach decisions on all cases submitted to them at a much faster rate than at present. As we know, property affected by coast erosion is not just being damaged but is being irrevocably destroyed. I have, therefore, arranged that all aspects of the service will be reviewed with a view to accelerating the pace of operations.

In this connection I must mention too the contribution which the removal of sand and gravel from the seashore is making to the problem. This practice has developed from what was, some years ago, the removal by local farmers for their own use of moderate quantities of sand and gravel in cart loads, to the current large scale exploitation of these deposits by the use of tractors and trailers. There is much evidence to show that such deposits removed from one location are being replenished almost entirely at the expense of material which is being eroded from somewhere else along the coast. It is futile to be preparing plans for works to deal with the problem of coast erosion as long as the removal of large quantities of beach material— a contributory if not the sole cause— would continue to be permitted.

The provision in this year's subhead includes £26,000 for maintenance on coast protection schemes and the balance is required for a new scheme which has been sanctioned for Enniscrone, County Sligo. In this connection I would like to pay a tribute to the Sligo County Council who decided to provide their contribution to the cost of the scheme out of the rates to enable an early start to be made on the work.

The amount of £754,000 is being provided for the national monuments service under subhead J1, to maintain the present levels of conservation activity and of archaeological research.

It is proposed to start major conservation works this year at Ferns Castle, County Wexford, Gallarus Castle, County Kerry, Gleninagh Castle, County Clare, and at the ancient monastic settlement on Skellig Michael, County Kerry. Major works of conservation are continuing at, inter alia, the Casino in Marino, Dublin, Lusk Church tower, County Dublin, Ross Castle, County Kerry, Charles Fort and James Fort near Kinsale, County Cork, at the Boyne Valley sites at Newgrange and Knowth, and at the early Christian monastery at Inishmurray Island, County Sligo.

Grants for archaeological research will be made again this year, enabling the investigation of the major site at Knowth to continue as well as the archaeological excavation of the early monastic settlement on Inishcealtra Island, County Clare.

I have been devoting some attention to the question of amending the legislation relating to monuments. The principal statute at present is the National Monuments Act, 1930. Some amendments were made in 1954 but it became quite evident that it was time that we undertook a comprehensive review to see what changes were required to bring the legislation up to date.

I would like to stress that the existing legislation has been reasonably satisfactory but changes in land use and development, agricultural methods and so on, have increased the risks to our monuments and we have to devise new measures to protect them. It is also important, as I stated last year, to stop unauthorised interference with historic wrecks in our territorial waters. I am glad to say that good progress is being made with the preparation of proposals for revised legislation. All going well I will have a Bill ready for introduction in the House later this year or early in 1978.

The total cost of the conservation and restoration of Holycross Abbey is borne initially by the grant-in-aid provided by the special subhead J2. The cost of the restoration is being refunded by the diocesan authorities. While the main works have been completed and the building reopened for public use for some time now, there are still some minor jobs outstanding but I expect that these will be completed in a month or so.

In addition to the works covered by this Vote, the Office of Public Works are also responsible for work on primary schools, telephone exchanges, prison buildings and the construction and improvement of harbour works for the Department of Fisheries and for Roinn na Gaeltachta. This means that this year the total gross expenditure for which the office will be responsible will be well over £50 million.

In my statement I have given an idea of the widespread and varied activities of the Office of Public Works. If any Deputy would like further information on any matter which I have mentioned or on any matter which I have omitted to mention and in which the Deputy has a particular interest, I shall try to give it to him in my reply.

I welcome this Estimate as one which covers a very large range of country. I also welcome the fact that on three different items the Parliamentary Secretary mentioned that he is proposing new legislation to bring matters up to date. If the Estimate were to be carried as it stands very substantial progress would be made on many aspects of the national scene. However, I must point out that the sum provided here, £25,868,000, is below the sum provided in last year's Estimate, that is, £26,088,000. Admittedly, the Parliamentary Secretary has promised Supplementary Estimates and I do not doubt his intentions in the matter but it must be pointed out that inflation will eat so much into the money provided that many of the worthy projects mentioned in the Estimate will not be carried out, not through any lack of goodwill in the Department but because of inflation. I do not want to be churlish but the Parliamentary Secretary will have to press his Minister for more money to ensure that the Office of Public Works can make an effective contribution to the national scene.

The Parliamentary Secretary has given evidence of having studied a number of serious aspects and he has promised new legislation. Even though I am a city man, I look upon the progress of our arterial drainage schemes as being very poor, not just since the Parliamentary Secretary took office. We must remember that the Act under which we operate is now about 30 years old and I agree that it is time we looked at it. I do not know what he will propose. I have had queries from people in many different parts of the country about various river projects and when I have contacted the Office of Public Works I have been told with honesty that it will be many years, if ever, before these projects will be carried out. I do not know if arterial drainage work has a high labour content. I know a great deal of machinery is used. At a time of high unemployment, especially on the rural scene, we might well decide to break with tradition and intensify our efforts for arterial drainage realising the many benefits which would accrue if all the rivers which are in need of improvement were improved. An amount of land would then become available for farming activities and the national landscape would be improved.

Therefore, I welcome the Parliamentary Secretary's decision to review the legislation on arterial drainage and coast erosion. We have a very serious coast erosion problem. This is happening in remote parts of the coastline but it is also happening a few miles from this House, in north county Dublin. I read the legislation governing the prevention of coast erosion and the system is very unwieldly. It could be refined and made much more effective. Coast erosion is a very serious problem and, if not checked, will become more serious each year. This might provide a good avenue for employment apart from improvements in the areas affected. I wish the Parliamentary Secretary the best of luck in his efforts to have new legislation introduced on arterial drainage and coast erosion.

He mentioned a change of thinking on monuments. I welcome this. I hope he will try to ensure that monuments will not be taken from the countryside and exported in some cases. We will have to take a much tougher line on the preservation of monuments and their retention here. The second aspect may not be within the Parliamentary Secretary's bailiwick. If not, I sugest he might interest himself in ensuring that monuments and relics of the past are retained. In the past we had losses of many fine and valuable monuments. We are now in a position to stop these exports and I trust the Parliamentary Secretary will be active in this matter.

I learned from his speech that the commissioners have not got the right of compulsory acquisition, unlike a local authority or a harbour authority. The commissioners might join with the local authorities and let them use their powers of acquisition. The work of the commissioners need land they should be able to join with the local authorities to acquire it. I am glad to note that they have been successful in acquiring land by agreement. This is the best way of doing it. Sometimes there can be long delays with the result that we may become disheartened by the magnitude of the task of acquiring land.

I welcome the decision to create many public parks. I am particularly delighted to see action is being taken at the Burren in Clare. This is a marvelous natural formation and is one of the wonders of the country. I do not know if it is sufficiently appreciated by our own people, but it is appreciated by foreigners. The work which is to be undertaken to make it more accessible is to be welcomed. We on this side of the House would not be tardy in supporting the provision of money for this area.

I notice there is a big building project for the civil service and for various Government Departments. I welcome this. I should like the Parliamentary Secretary to answer an allegation made in a newspaper some time ago that there has been a change in the system or the policy of renting offices and that, in one case, rent was paid two years in advance. This story was brought to my notice. I had not read about it. I should like the Parliamentary Secretary to say if there has been any change in the commissioners' policy on paying rent for buildings.

There have been some improvements in Leinster House. The facilities available to the public to see their Deputies or Senators are not all that could be desired. This is the national Parliament. People come here to see their Deputies or to protest. While a poor view may be taken in official headquarters of protests outside our gates, I do not subscribe to that line of thinking. I think it is a sure sign that democracy will survive when I see people protesting outside the gates of the national Assembly. I do not suggest we should encourage protests, but we should encourage people to come here and discuss their problems with their Deputies and Senators.

I do not regard the interview room as being suitable. At times it is fairly crowded. There is not a great degree of privacy if one wants to discuss a problem with a visitor. We should have an interview room worthy of this Parliament. The right of the citizen to see his Deputy should be safeguarded. While I appreciate that space in the House is rather limited, we should ensure that citizens who wish to come here to speak to their Deputies are given the best possible facilities. The Parliamentary Secretary might study this point and provide a proper interview room where we would have not merely a few tables and chairs but where we would have facilities for ensuring that a citizen will be given the best attention and where the Deputy will be in a position to help that person.

I appreciate that many new Government offices are being established throughout the country. I wish to refer to Castlebar which I visited some time ago and I should like to pay tribute to the then Minister who proposed the decentralisation of Government offices. I hope this policy will be pursued to the utmost and that we will not have so many office blocks in Dublin. I see from the Estimate that there is a proposal to build more office blocks at Beggars Bush in Dublin. This was to have been the site of the Memorial Hall to the late President Kennedy but that project was not pursued. In the last few years the commissioners, in co-operation with the Department of Posts and Telegraphs, erected a telephone exchange at Shelbourne Road on part of the old barrack site. It was necessary for them to open a new road to the residential part of the barracks —when I say residential I refer to the flats there that are leased by the commissioners to the Dublin Corporation. The flats were built by the British authorities when they were in occupation here many years ago. I should like to draw the attention of the Parliamentary Secretary to the condition of the site at Beggars Bush. A roadway was constructed to the flats but it is more of a goat path than anything else. I would ask him to ensure that the commissioners examine this matter in order to carry out some improvements. At least they could plant a few trees or shrubs and provide a proper roadway to the residential area.

A disappointing feature of the Estimate is the delay in providing a concert hall for Dublin. The Parliamentary Secretary said that it might be possible to start work at the end of the year but this is conditional on the UCD authorities being able to make the Great Hall at Earlsfort Terrace available for this purpose. It should be possible to ascertain from the authorities when they are going to move to Belfield. For as long as I can remember we have been promised a concert hall and we must be one of the few European capitals that have not got one. When it was proposed some years ago to provide the Kennedy Memorial Hall at the Beggars Bush site in Dublin one was more hopeful than confident that this would happen. I wish to record my disappointment at the Government's action in dropping that project. Even though a decision has been made to provide a concert hall at Earlsfort Terrace it is far from becoming a reality and I suggest that this time next year we will still be waiting for a start to the Dublin concert hall.

I realise there may be more pressing problems in the country today but after all the promises made during the last 50 years we should show that we are a practical people and provide a concert hall for this city. In the city of Strasburg, which might be regarded as comparable in size with Dublin, there is a municipal concert hall and an orchestra. We have not got even one proper concert hall and I hope the Parliamentary Secretary will ensure that agreement will be sought with the UCD authorities that they will move out as soon as possible and make the premises available for the builders to start work on the new hall.

I note with satisfaction that provision has been made for more extensive facilities for the National Library. Knowing how the staff and the readers have had to cope during the years I am sure they will appreciate what is being done. There is good news also with regard to the Botanic Gardens and this will be a great boon not only to the city but to the country. I appreciate the efforts of the people who have put so much work into this. The improvements to Dublin Castle are also welcomed.

I should like the Parliamentary Secretary to tell us if the premises of the former British embassy which were burned some years ago have been fully restored. I think the ESB own them and, for my own information, I should like to know the cost of repair and acquisition of that building. In a way I am sorry it has been decided not to go ahead with the provision of a golf course at Phoenix Park but I should like to qualify that. I did not support the project but the Parliamentary Secretary's predecessor, the late Noel Lemass, was very keen on this project and he worked hard to achieve it. I realise it is not going ahead because the Dublin Corporation have some road plans for the area. As one who is jealous of any encroachment on the Phoenix Park I should like to assure the Parliamentary Secretary that I will watch carefully the proposals of the Dublin Corporation with regard to this matter.

I should like to ask the Parliamentary Secretary if he is satisfied that all possible precautions are taken to ensure the safety of deer in the Phoenix Park. There have been reports of people poaching the deer and injuring them and I suggest that he investigates this matter. A constant problem for any visitor to the park is where he may park his car. The park rangers are vigilant, and rightly so, but often it is difficult to find parking space. People run their cars onto the grass and this is not desirable. During the summer the rangers cannot cope with this problem. The grass is damaged by this parking and there is also the problem that children cannot play in safety in those areas.

Last year we were promised improvements in the provision of toilets in the park but they have not yet been built. Many improvements can be made in this great park and it will be money well spent especially if we can provide and improve facilities there for thousands of visitors. I would give this work top priority. It must be remembered that in a few years' time more than one million people will be living in this city and we will have to provide recreational facilities for them. We must make sure that the city is not turned into a concrete or asphalt jungle. That is why we must jealously look after this park.

St. Stephen's Green is the only park which is the responsibility of the commissioners. I am not criticising the way that park is looked after because it is very well kept, but it might be more businesslike if the local authorities accepted responsibility for it.

The sum of £91,000 which has been allocated for the development of the River Shannon is to be welcomed. This river is very popular for cruises and attracts many visitors. When will the commissioners take over ownership of the Royal and Grand Canals which are owned by CIE at the moment? That company hope they will soon be transferred to the commissioners, as has been promised. What has caused the delay of this transfer of ownership? Our waterways stretch into the north. I appreciate what is being done on the Lough Allen stretch. The work there is nearing completion and the commissioners are to be complimented on this. As our population grows, we will need all our natural facilities—parklands and waterways—and it is essential that we maintain our waterways at the highest standards. From his statement I am satisfied that the Parliamentary Secretary is aware of these points. If I were confident that the money is there to provide these facilities, I would be very pleased indeed.

The building activities of the commissioners are many and varied—from primary schools to jails. Some time ago it was proposed to establish a new women's jail in the north suburbs of Dublin. Can the Parliamentary Secretary give us some idea if this work is going ahead? Have his Department received a directive from the Department of justice about this work? Nowadays we hear a great deal of criticism about conditions in our jails. Of course, one does not necessarily accept this criticism as true. If it was thought necessary to provide a new detention house for women prisoners a few years ago, it is more essential to go ahead with this work now.

Are the new offices in Castlebar fully occupied? How far are the commissioners co-operating with other bodies in the prevention of pollution of lakes and rivers? If we drained all our rivers and canals, this work would come to naught if it were to be destroyed by pollution. The commissioners have a big part to play in this national problem. Unless we solve it we will have to pay very dearly in many ways, through bad health and the destruction of the countryside. We should learn from the mistakes made in Europe.

The provision of £189,000 for work in our embassies is also to be welcomed. We should provide the best for our representatives and civil servants who work in these embassies, which can be an advertisement for Ireland. I realise that we cannot keep up with continental Joneses by having palatial residences, and we would not want to, but we must ensure that our embassies maintain a good standard and play their part in promoting our interests abroad.

The restoration of the Royal Hospital is continuing. This is very difficult work which will take many years before being completed. When it is completed to what use will it be put? I hope it will be accessible to the public. It was in a very bad state and a great deal of very valuable restoration work has been done. Could the Parliamentary Secretary give me an approximate date when the restoration work will be completed and to what use the building will be put?

The creation of national parks is to be welcomed. The Parliamentary Secretary is against allowing camping there. I can see his point to a certain extent, but he might make an exception for scouting organisations. I appreciate his concern for the safety of wildlife in these parks, but scouting organisations are trained to respect and protect wildlife.

The Parliamentary Secretary might well reconsider this matter with regard to scouting organisations. The Parliamentary Secretary makes the point that family groups, whose only opportunity of a holiday may be a camping one, should not be debarred. I know the line must be drawn somewhere. Indeed local authorities might welcome such activity and provide proper camping sites for family groups. Private enterprise also can play its part here since as, in many parts of the country, it provides the only source of camping sites. There is the feeling that camping holidays will become more popular. Therefore local authorities, urged by the commissioners, might provide more sites. But I would make a plea for scouting organisations to be given some concessions in national parks. They are disiplined bodies of young people who would not abuse the privilege afforded them. Indeed I am sure the scouting organisations would be pleased to be given an opportunity of meeting the Parliamentary Secretary and the commissioners to discuss this matter.

I know that the commissioners have a certain anxiety to discuss with local authorities the problem of coast erosion. Perhaps the commissioners, through the Parliamentary Secretary, would so notify the local authorities. Many local authorities fear that they will have to pay too much for such schemes. The system of payment is rather unique, but it would be money well spent if agreement was reached in as many cases as possible that the rating authority would provide the money, as did Sligo County Council in the case of Enniscrone, so that work may be speeded up because coast erosion waits for nobody and the damage is continuous. Therefore there is a certain degree of urgency about this matter. Generally local authorities are anxious to help but are somewhat afraid of being caught up in too much expenditure. They say they may have to account to their ratepayers and while the individual ratepayers may agree it is necessary, at the same time as a body they may tend to feel it is excessive. Of course as soon as there is a change of Government the Fianna Fáil Government will be removing the rates from ordinary householders and the financing of such schemes may be considered in that light.

I notice also that the Dundalk customs centre has been redesigned, which must mean a vast improvement there. I have often wondered if this should be a matter for the commissioners. I feel we should concentrate more on the provision of, say, schools and Garda barracks—certainly many of the barracks throughout the country are in an appalling state. Customs centres, which may well disappear in some years' time as we become more integrated with Europe, may not warrant such expenditure. Therefore, I would not place too much emphasis on them at present.

I hope the Parliamentary Secretary will pursue the matter of the full restoration of Scoil Éanna and the general lands there in Rathfarnham, both in memory of Pearse, who may be somewhat maligned at present, thereby showing our commitment to the continuation of the policy of previous Governments. The work done so far is much appreciated, but it seems to be somewhat drawn out. I would suggest to the Parliamentary Secretary that the job be finished with as much speed as possible.

The Kilkenny Castle project, which has proved such a success, is attributable to the commissioners, their foresight and dedication. It attracted 15,000 visitors since its opening last year, and no doubt will attract many more. This illustrates how wise are the commissioners in undertaking such projects. I hope they will take on many more.

On the continent I know some government departments will restore an old church and spend national finances on its restoration. We have done a little here with places such as Holy Cross Abbey and so on and on which the commissioners are to be complimented. However I have in mind some cathedrals in this city that have had to appeal for voluntary funds to undertake such restoration work. We must ensure that many of these old, historic churches do not fall into disuse and are not converted into factories or warehouses. Again, in this city we have seen the most appalling things happen to some churches. Perhaps they may not be architectural gems, but the fact that they were built when they were and are no longer used by the religious denomination which formerly used them is no reason for their not being retained or preserved as community halls or for some other such cultural activity. It is indeed sad to pass by these churches and see gaudy posters advertising goods outside. Generally they have come to be used as warehouses. The commissioners might well be empowered, with the help of local authorities, to ensure that such churches or other places of an historic value are not turned into factories, warehouses or petrol filling stations. Such does not enhance the beauty of any city or town. There is a church not far from here, in Pearse Street, which because of a dwindling congregation has had to be disposed of. However I am glad to note that Trinity College have purchased it and use it now for educational purposes, which is indeed gratifying. Where at all possible the commissioners, with the help of the relevant local authorities, should ensure that such ecclesiastical and other buildings are preserved.

I should like to refer once more to the Phoenix Park. There are a number of horse riding schools in the vicinity whose trainees use the park daily but who are not restricted to any particular tracks. At the same time, young children with their parents use the park for leisure and the children play on the grass. The unrestricted use of the park for horse riding therefore presents a source of danger not only to the thousands of children playing there but to the horses and riders, and I suggest that a certain area be allotted for horse riding.

On the matter of public parks in general, I hope that progress is being made to provide national recreation areas throughout the country. It is a plan that deserves priority treatment because not only would it provide places of recreation for our people but it would help to beautify the country.

I am sorry to note the size of this year's Estimate. The Office of Public Works should be a great development, educational and humanitarian organisation and in these times of inflation it is difficult to understand why there should have been a cutback instead of an improvement in the sum allocated. The Office of Public Works have it within their scope to improve the facilities in the Garda stations and prisons. In both areas it is necessary for us to show our goodwill and our concern for improvement. While on this subject, I hope I will not be regarded as parochial if I refer to the Garda station at Irishtown in Dublin. The old station is more than 150 years old and there are no facilities there for private conversations. Therefore it is an embarrassment not only for the general public but for Deputies who may wish to call there on behalf of constituents on such private matters as family rows and so on. In general, I suggest there should not be any cutback on the programme for Garda station extensions.

I have spoken on many occasions about the necessity to provide ramps for paraplegics' wheelchairs at all public buildings. I am not convinced we are doing enough in this matter and I will go so far as to suggest that there should be a public buildings bye-law to provide such ramps for handicapped people. Indeed I would go further and say that as our society becomes more affluent many handicapped people will be able to afford special automobiles and in such circumstances I suggest that we should provide public parks specially reserved for invalid cars. As well, I ask the Parliamentary Secretary to use his influence with sporting organisations to improve sportsgrounds to ensure that facilities will be provided so that handicapped people will be able to attend sports meetings in comfort.

I should like to congratulate the Parliamentary Secretary on his contribution. I purposely held back from trying to find fault with it. There are some faults and one which worries me is the fact that the money provided is insufficient. I do not expect that the work scheduled will be carried out because there is not sufficient money available. If the Parliamentary Secretary when he introduces Supplementary Estimates assures me that the money will be forthcoming I will have greater confidence in him than I have at present. I want the Parliamentary Secretary to impress on the Minister for Finance that the opinion of one Deputy is that sufficient money has not been provided. I want the Minister to ensure that the money is provided so that the excellent programme outlined by the Parliamentary Secretary will be carried out.

I should like to congratulate the Parliamentary Secretary on the way he presented this Estimate and for the efforts he has made to satisfy all sections of the community since he took up this post. Of the amount provided, more than £25 million and the £2 million to improve job prospects, it is not fair to allocate only £3,325,000 for drainage works. Deputy Moore is concerned about a different aspect of the work of the Office of Public Works than I. We all appreciate that the Office of Public Works is responsible for the upkeep of prisons, Garda stations, schools and so on but traditionally we associate that office with arterial drainage schemes, minor and major. The Parliamentary Secretary stated:

While continuing, therefore, for the present to direct our main effort to the catchments in the established priority lists I have arranged for a review of policy to ascertain if it would be appropriate to broaden our present programme so that some of the smaller catchments could be included in the future.

It is not my intention to make political capital out of this or to refer to what was done in the past, but I thought minor schemes were included in a priority list with major schemes. I believe a decision was taken about seven years ago to discontinue the list of minor catchment areas and proceed with the major schemes. For that reason I was pleased to hear the Parliamentary Secretary say that a review of policy will take place. The big problem is that there is not sufficient money.

I note that it is hoped to commence the drainage scheme in Mayo which is now part of my constituency. I hope work gets under way on that scheme soon. The scheme on the River Nanny has been held up because of the water scheme in Tuam. The latter scheme will soon be in progress and money will then be sought to complete the river drainage scheme. I was under the impression that the scheme on the River Nanny was part of the original Corrib scheme and that money would be provided automatically for it, when work was about to commence. However, following an investigation, I have learned that it must take its place on the list with other minor drainage schemes. I want the Parliamentary Secretary to tell me if it is necessary for this scheme to take its place in competition with other minor drainage schemes or if money will be provided for it, because it was held up by the water scheme in Tuam.

I should now like to deal with the Dunkellin River which flows into the sea at Clarenbridge. Many politicians have expressed an interest in a drainage scheme for that river. A Newcastle man tells the story that prior to every general election an engineer or a representative of the Office of Public Works surveys that area prompting the curious farmers to make inquiries. The impression is always created that work is soon to start on that scheme but as soon as the election is over nothing more is heard about the Dunkellin River.

The Deputy should see to it that an engineer is sent down now.

The engineers will be appearing soon.

I do not want the Parliamentary Secretary to send out any engineers because for too long people in that area have been conned. Some months ago I received a letter from the Parliamentary Secretary to the effect that the Dunkellin drainage scheme had now been reached on the list. I welcome the fact that it has been reached but, looking through the Estimate, I find there is not even one word about it or, if there is, then I missed it.

As I say, in the letter I got from the Parliamentary Secretary it was stated it is now being reached on the list but there were quite a few "ifs"—if money were available and if a cost/ benefit analysis had been done and so on and so forth. If money is available, the job will be done. I do not go along with that at all. If the Dunkellin has been reached then I would ask the Parliamentary Secretary to see that the work is carried out. It is the Parliamentary Secretary who should decide about this. The Commissioners of Public Works are no help at all, particularly as far as the west is concerned and Dunkellin. In the last 12 years I have spoken a great deal about this and so have other public representatives from the west. If for all the words spoken the same number of rocks had been removed from the river a great deal of work would have been done by this. I urge the Parliamentary Secretary to get work started on the Dunkellin as soon as possible.

There would be no point in sending out someone to carry out a survey because that would make the whole thing a laughing stock. Prior to every general election over the years a promise has been given but that promise has never been fulfilled. There must be a firm commitment to do the work. I cannot understand why there is not a greater commitment where land drainage is concerned. There are all sorts of arguments advanced. One group wants a bird sanctuary preserved. Another group says that the fertiliser put on the land will be washed too quickly into the river. They talk about leaching. They say that if the river drains into a lake fish life will be destroyed. I do not want to see wildlife destroyed but one must get one's priorities right. Flooded lands must be drained. The money paid out in social welfare should be used to put people into employment draining land. The money should be invested in productive purposes, such as the drainage of the Dunkellin, the Nanny and the Schule, and the Island river. The Dunkellin is the biggest river. Why should not social welfare benefits be directed towards productive purposes like drainage?

Someone once said that it costs more to create a job than the job is actually worth. That was stated in this House. There is an election coming up in June and we in the west want a genuine effort made now to get these rivers drained, particularly the Dunkellin. I do not want the Commissioners of Public Works or anyone else to stand in the way of the Parliamentary Secretary getting the Dunkellin drained. I make that very clear.

I have been in contact for years with a number of people who live along the River Shellin. A scheme for the drainage of that river was costed with a view to getting grants from the Department of Agriculture to carry out the drainage. On the first occasion application was made it was turned down on the ground that very little good land would be involved and the expenditure of money on such a scheme would not be justified. The local people said that was wrong and another survey was carried out. As a result of that and a cost/benefit analysis it was decided that the river should be done. A big local contribution was involved. There are several bridges and these would be the responsibility of the local authority. This would be a very suitable scheme and all the Parliamentary Secretary need do to inform himself fully about the scheme is to ask the Department of Agriculture for the data. The Parliamentary Secretary might then direct the commissioners to have another look at the scheme.

There is the Island river then at Ballymote. It flows between Galway and Roscommon but the major part is in Galway. That river causes a great deal of flooding. This is another minor drainage scheme at which the Office of Public Works should take a look. As I say, it is a minor scheme, not a major drainage scheme like the Dunkellin. I know various excuses can be made as to why this drainage work cannot be carried out but I can see no reason why it should not be done. There is no great problem involved.

Arterial drainage is the main thing that the people I represent want done, and there is no point in wasting time speaking on all the other matters dealt with here. When there is only about one page here devoted to arterial drainage, and the expenditure of a sum of only £3,325,000 out of a total of £25 million, our priorities are all wrong. While I appreciate that it is necessary to have national parks and other amenities, the basics must be catered for. I understand the opinions expressed by Deputy Moore, who represents a different constituency from the one I represent. However, when other Deputies from his side of the House speak on this Estimate it will be evident from our point of view that enough money is not being spent. Agriculture is a real money spinner for this country. The economy is sound as long as agriculture is going well. It can be made even better by the expenditure of relatively small sums on these drainage schemes I have mentioned. I have dealt with the matter on a parochial basis but I am sure other Deputies could refer to similar schemes in their areas. If the Board of Works would pay some attention to what I have said not alone would it enrich the community where I live but it would be good for the country as a whole.

This Estimate is always regarded as a very important one. Those of us who have at some time or other been attached to the Office of Public Works must always be interested in what is happening at 51 St. Stephen's Green. In common with other speakers, I would like to compliment the Office of Public Works on what they have done, the quality rather than the quantity. If the quantity is not something we can boast about, it is not the fault of the limited personnel available in the Office of Public Works. Those of us who have experience at close hand of the work of the technicians, the professional staff of the Board of Works, can only have the highest praise for it. It is a pity they have not more money and more staff to do more work.

That is the extraordinary thing about this Estimate. This is the Estimate which reflects the seriousness or otherwise of a Government's determination to carry out capital works and to provide employment at a time when it is desperately needed. These days one can hardly turn on a television set or a radio without hearing about thousands of new jobs that are going to happen some time, somewhere, by some means. There is no explanation. Of course everybody knows what the talk is about, but when we get down to the discussion of the agency which has the responsibility for really doing work, we find an Estimate of £25,868,000, to which £2 million has been added in the budget, making a total of £27,868,000. From that must be deducted administrative costs in the vicinity of £4,500,000, and when deductions are made in respect of subheads F1, F2 F3 and F4, which make provision for maintenance, rents and recurring payments which must be made annually, amounting to another £13 million almost, there is in page 25 of the Book of Estimates a mere £6 million for new works.

That is what the Estimate is all about, a mere £6 million to which will be added whatever portion of the £2 million provided in the budget will be available for capital works when the deductions already mentioned are made under the various headings of administration, maintenance, rents, provision of materials and so forth. That is all that is available for new works in 1977 when there are 150,000 people seeking work. Taking into account the inflationary situation, the sum provided is barely sufficient to keep the show on the road. It is a desperate picture at a time when everybody is calling out for more work.

The last speaker, Deputy Donnellan is quite right. There are a few checks and balances here well worth studying. Against the huge, frightening figure for unemployment assistance, a sum of £6 million for new works in the Office of Public Works is provided. Then one must ask oneself: are there no works available on which this money could be expended? This is the irony of the whole situation. Million and millions are being paid out in unemployment assistance. Yet every Deputy could indicate, as the last Deputy did, hundreds of necessary works in his own constituency which are crying out for immediate attention. How does one balance all that against any talk or pretence about what is intended to be done to bring about some alleviation of unemployment and inflation from which the country is suffering at present. This is the denouement of all this nonsensical talk that has suddenly been sprung on the people in the last few weeks for a specific purpose.

In the Office of Public Works there is an agency charged with the responsibility of looking after capital works, the maintenance of existing Government fixed assets throughout the country and the carrying out of new works. If any Member of the House was free to speak publicly he would have to confess that their main frustration arises from the demands for their attention in thousands of areas where essential work is there to be done but for the carrying out of which they have not got either the personnel or the funds. Yet we have 150,000 unemployed and we are paying millions per day for that unemployment. The whole thing is farcical. It does not add up to any logic.

I keep away from parochial things as far as possible but in the general field of activity in the Office of Public Works I have to refer to some of the things that are crying out for attention immediately and seemingly not getting it due to the lack of resources. Coastal erosion is being only toyed with. The number of schemes in hand or even under consideration at present is negligible, and I am not blaming the Parliamentary Secretary for the cumbersome machinery that is necessary in the legislation except to say that in his wisdom he might have brought in an amendment now, seeing in retrospect that the legislation under which the protective work is carried out is so cumbersome. There is shuttling back and forth between the Office of Public Works and the local authority so often and so many classifications are required at different levels that by the time the decision is taken to carry out the work the whole area could be eroded. In a maritime county like Donegal facing the surge of the Atlantic we have many such problems, and for that reason I refer to that area which requires legislation of a type that will permit more expeditious handling of this serious coastal problem.

In the matter of public buildings generally it is easy now to be wise with hindsight, but it is regrettable that we did not build more of our own buildings when it was possible to do so. When Fianna Fáil were in power the word "squandermania" was being widely bandied around at the proposal to pool resources for post-war development and the short-sightedness of people who felt that this would be unnecessary expenditure must now be regretted. Opposition was raised not merely in this House but outside also. Public opinion was not in support of the proposal at the time, but people who were far-sighted—like the late Deputy Seán Lemass who saw what was likely to come in the wake of the war—were well aware that the time to do things was then because it might never be possible again to do them. When the Department of Industry and Commerce building in Kildare Street was being constructed the records of this House report the most severe criticism of the "squandermania" of the Government of the day in erecting such an expensive, colossal building. These are the things which should enable us to look forward and learn from past mistakes. That building was put up for a figure which would not glaze the windows now.

We are paying colossal rents per square foot all over the city for office block accommodation. I put down a question asking for a list of the premises we have rented and the amount we are paying. I know it is a colossal figure without getting it at all. When there was a proposal at one time to build a new House of Parliament it met with such opposition that it was not even given further serious consideration. We have a shortage of necessary public buildings in this city. We should have many buildings of a type in keeping with the quality of the city and they should have been built when it was possible to get the sites and to carry out the building before inflation developed. This did not happen.

There are proposals to move part of the National Library into another building. That is not a suitable arrangement. To have the National Library in two separate buildings does not make for efficiency and certainly does not bring the library to meeting the requirements which a National Library should meet. I hope this is only a temporary arrangement and that in the not-too-distant future we shall see a building which is worthy of the National Library and of which the people can be justly proud, a building which is essential and long overdue.

In the field of national monuments alone we have £6 million for new works. We could spend £60 million on national monuments. We see them crumbling and disappearing all over the country. Many of them have not even a preservation order on them and in many cases where there is a preservation order it is not being observed. I have seen eighth-century cemeteries with cattle grazing over them. When I write to the county council they say "We have no responsibility". When I contact the Office of Public Works, they say "We have a preservation order. The county council must look at that". I contact the council again and they say "We will look up to see if there is a preservation order". This fiddling goes on while Rome burns.

There is an outcry about Georgian buildings being demolished or used for other purposes while at the same time some of our most valuable historic monuments are being neglected. We have our sense of values all wrong. I am not for a moment denigrating those who advocate the preservation of good architecture anywhere, but we must get down to those things which are going to disappear, to the heritage which should be preserved and will soon not be in existence. I appeal to the Parliamentary Secretary to contact his Minister and point out to him that of all the school-leavers now unemployed many are highly qualified, trained and intelligent people who could find, even in a temporary capacity, much useful work to do in the field of the preservation of our national monuments and things of environmental interest generally. This would merely require the provision of money and some supervision by the qualified professional personnel in the Office of Public Works. If the office has to recruit more in the architectural and engineering branches there are many suitable people around who can find no employment. It is an opportunity to get young people employed. There are many other things for which they could be usefully used, but the Parliamentary Secretary will have only to turn up the records of the Office of Public Works to find the huge list of monuments of historic interest throughout the country which are receiving no attention whatever.

It is sad to look at the small number of monuments that have been restored. I took great pride in the restoration work that was carried out on old Mellifont Abbey. The work is a credit to the Office of Public Works and it speaks eloquently for the craftsmanship and the skills that went into the preservation. It is sad that so many other monuments, so many castles and so on throughout the country have not been restored. Such restoration work would give ample employment for some of the highly skilled graduates who are at present unemployed.

Deputy Seán Moore referred to the Royal Hospital at Kilmainham and said that it was a job that would take a long time. When I was in the Office of Public Works 20 years ago I went down to admire the work that was being done in the restoration of this hospital. I thought that it would have taken a year to complete it at that stage, but I suppose the money allocated was not sufficient to have the work completed. I would like to know when the second phase which was referred to by the Parliamentary Secretary will be embarked upon. It has been suggested that the hospital might be used as a folk museum when it is restored. Various objects could be stored here which would express what the Irish people have witnessed and the evolution of history from the earliest times. The field surrounding Kilmainham Hospital and the restored hospital itself would be a suitable environment for a folk museum. I appeal to the Parliamentary Secretary to allocate extra money to it in the next financial year to get this work completed. My colleague here could also keep this in mind when at some not-far-distant date he may be in a position to do something about monuments generally. In relation to the national monument which I have referred to, the Royal Hospital in Kilmainham is a comparatively young monument.

The Phoenix Park has always been referred to in these Estimates, particularly by the Dublin Deputies. The Park does not belong just to the Dublin people, simply because there are few Dublin people left. Those who come up from the country are gravely concerned about what happens to this city, and we do not want the Phoenix Park to become a camping ground. It is a public park, and should be preserved as a public park. The exercise of horses has been mentioned in relation to the Park. In my time in the Office of Public Works certain areas could be used during certain times for horse riding, usually early in the morning. I hope that horse riding is not permitted throughout the Park without constraint. There is divided opinion on the question of a municipal golf course. A case can be made for a municipal golf course, but the Park is not a place for it. The Phoenix Park is one of the most beautiful parks in the world and it should not be used as an area where all sorts of people can come at regular intervals to use it for camping or anything else. It is quite different if it has to be used for such things on an ad hoc basis in some circumstances, but it should be an open public park.

Several million pounds should be allocated to carry out absolutely essential work, which would employ people who are becoming degraded as a result of the continuous, no hope, period of unemployment they have experienced in recent times. I have not touched on the question of drainage, the operation of 1945 Arterial Drainage Scheme and the dropping of what was referred to as the intermediate drainage scheme. I have not touched on the question of general drainage standards. I do not complain about the standards being too low; I feel that the standards are too high.

Debate adjourned.
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