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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 29 Jun 1983

Vol. 344 No. 4

Adjournment Debate. - Funding of Sport Activities.

Tá mé thar a bheith buíoch duit gur thug tú cead dom an cheist seo a phlé sa Teach. Tá sé déanach anois; tuigim go bhfuil lucht na bpáipéirí imithe agus nach bhfuil aon phoiblíocht le fáil. Ach tá mé dóchasach mar gheall ar an cheist a bheith pléite sa Teach seo mar go mb'fhéidir go mbeidh tuiscint níos fearr ag daoine agus go bhfaighidh lucht spóirt cothram na féinne.

I thank you for giving me the opportunity to raise this matter. I appreciate that you and everybody else have had a fairly arduous day and that the matter I intend to discuss is not one which will create any great controversy. I am hoping that in the time available to me and my colleague, the Minister of State, we will confirm that a mistake has been made in the matter of moneys which might have gone to the 60 or so sporting organisations.

For the past decade the State has given token financial recognition to these national sporting organisations for the tremendous work they do. The word "sport" detracts from the importance of that work. For me there is no more important work that can be done. In other countries so much importance is attached to it that all this work is nationalised and colossal amounts of money are provided for it every year so that young and not so young men and women are able to employ their spare time gainfully in physical education.

We are blessed in this country because we are unique in that the promoters and organisers of this vital work operate on a voluntary basis. This is the highest form of patriotism. It could be argued that it is true Christianity because these people look after their neighbours' children. In the GAA and the various organisations catering for soccer, tennis, basketball and swimming we have a corps of people who are prepared to give up their spare time so that others can benefit.

All the Government have been asked to do is to give token financial recognition which does no more than fill in the gap which remains when these good people have applied themselves to raising funds. The State's contribution has been insignificant. Even though the scheme of grants has been operating for the past ten years the total amount involved has not yet reached £0.5 million.

The National Community Games cater for the interests of 500,000 young people all year round and the total grant they received last year was a mere £25,000. This organisation enables young people, North and South, to join together in active pursuit of physical exercise and recreation. This year their grant is to be reduced by 10 per cent and they will receive only £22,000. This is the figure which the Minister for Justice gave as representing the cost of keeping one prisoner in Mountjoy. It is worth pondering on our sense of values. The GAA receive about £35,000 and the organisation catering for soccer receive about £20,000.

Day after day there are men and women all over the country who are prepared to leave their own homes to attend to the needs of their own and their neighbours' children. They thereby participate in excellent community work for which they are the better and they do not expect payment. However, they have become accustomed to national recognition of their good work. We know that money is scarce and that scarcity was heralded by our Government. During my period as Minister of State with responsibility for youth and sport and during the terms of my successors, Deputies GeogheganQuinn and Keating, it was possible to raise these grants by an average of 10 per cent.

In November last year when our Government were preparing the Estimates they provided for an increase of only 1 per cent because of the difficulties at the time. However miserable or inadequate it was, that provision was made. The amount provided last year was £694,000, including the large grant of £200,000 to Cospóir. The proposed increase of 1 per cent would have raised the total amount to £700,000 but it has been reduced instead to £609,000 due to the reduction of 10 per cent imposed by this Government. These 62 organisations catering for athletics, handball, boxing, community games and other sports have suffered as a result.

I do not know whether in your younger days you ever played cards, a Cheann Comhairle. I started playing cards with my late father and my mother, who is alive, and we used to play penny "25". When we had finished, and I had lost, my father, the Lord have mercy on him, would give me a very telling lesson in economics. He would say: "Now, Jim, you have paid out a penny to each of us, that is fourpence, but you must remember you have also lost another fourpence by not winning, so your total loss is eightpence".

It is very wise to ponder that, especially in this case. We have reduced aid to the Community Games who last year got a grant of £25,000 and who this year should have been getting another 10 per cent. We have docked them £2,000, so their total loss is £4,000. If we had given them only 1 per cent that loss would have been reduced and apart from everything else the psychological reaction would not have been as it is because they would not have got what I regard as a kick in the teeth which a 10 per cent reduction, inadvertently, signifies.

The total provision for Youth and Sport was £1.9 million. There was a segregation of Youth from Sport — Youth went to the Department of Labour. They did not suffer because they got more than 1 per cent. The youth organisations are very happy.

I was happy to share a platform with the Minister with responsibility for Youth, Deputy George Birmingham, and I complimented him because he was able to get this increase. I did not know then that on the following day I would learn the sad news that whereas the Youth grant went up, the Sports grant went down by 10 per cent. In the bureaucratic arrangement for the transfer of moneys between the Departments of Education and Labour, the eye of the Minister responsible for Sport, I will not say was wiped, but it was not wide open enough to see where the money was going.

The initial provision was there. We are sometimes reminded that this Government inherited the provisional Estimates prepared by the Fianna Fáil Government. We are always told that, when an Estimate did not fit the bill or meet requirements. This budget was prepared by our Government. The figures are there to show that there should have been a 1 per cent increase for all sporting organisations. In fact there is a 10 per cent decrease by this Government.

I ask the Minister to indicate to me why that money disappeared. I hope it will be discovered how it disappeared and that, having discovered the institutional or bureaucratic mistake that occurred, the Minister will apply himself to recovering it so that sporting organisations will at least be able to acknowledge that they are not being rebuffed, as they are led to believe they were. The Minister of State has been meeting them and I am sure he is aware of the disappointment and annoyance they felt.

Supposing all these great patriotic people were to withdraw from the 62 organisations tomorrow, what would happen? I realise they have not the same clout as trade unions, that they cannot stop planes from flying or milk from being delivered to creameries, or stand out in the middle of roads and interfere with the economic life of the country, but that is a virtue and we should not take advantage of their high sense of patriotism and generosity because we know they will not do it. We should not force them even to contemplate it. Rather should we discover where the £100,000 went.

The budget for the Department of Education is £900 million and it is not too much to look for and to provide the allocation for these organisations, inadequate and miserable as it was, as prepared by our Government. However, it is 11 per cent to 12 per cent in excess of what they have got.

I do not want to prejudice the case or to labour the point. I know these great people would not wish me to do it but I know that the temper and mood of these organisations has been disheartened and will militate against the advancement made under successive Governments in the last decade. I do not require the 20 minutes that you indicated I had because I do not propose to say anything more. The Minister of State, I know, will accept that at least an increase of 1 per cent was provided for and the fact is that there was a decrease of 10 per cent. Therefore, the money must have strayed away from the fund the Minister of State should have had to give to these great organisations. I hope the Minister will carry out an inquiry in the Department to see where it went and to try to restore it to its rightful place. This would give to these 62 organisations the minimum recognition they deserve.

I sincerely thank Deputy Tunney for raising this matter because any kind of discussion on sport or of any promotional activity of this kind is necessary to try to emphasise the importance of sport. That may not have been Deputy Tunney's intention but it is important to try to promote interest in sport generally. I do not disagree with Deputy Tunney's tributes to the sporting organisations and particularly the people who give their time voluntarily to promote games, particularly among our young people. As he said, they are doing an extremely good job, they are the present-day patriots. During my term of office I will be able to give them all the support possible.

First of all I want to put on the record the grant aid given to sporting organisations. Government support for sport has been available now for about 13 years and during that period considerable developments have occurred in all aspects of sport. It would be my desire to provide substantially increased funding for sport at all levels in the current year but we are all aware that the country is in the grip of a serious recession.

The global situation in regard to the State's finances, the major errors which occurred in the handling of the economy from the latter part of the seventies and the measures which the Government have adopted — unpalatable as they may be in the short-term, but essential as a first step towards bringing about a gradual improvement in the State's finances and eliminating the current budget deficit on a phased basis — these were clearly outlined in the Financial Statement of the Minister for Finance on 9 February last when he introduced the 1983 budget.

Control of public expenditure is a vital component of the Government's policy. In exercising this control the Government found it necessary to make adjustments in expenditure in the case of a wide range of State services. The provision in subhead G.3 of Vote 28 is £619,000 in 1983, and represents a decrease of £76,000 on the out-turn for 1982. In this connection I should also draw attention, however, to the increased provision in subhead D.10 of the same Vote for grants to voluntary sports organisations towards the employment of development officers, and to an increase of £40,000 to vocational education committees for their youth and sport funds. I have increased the grant payable to the Olympic Council of Ireland to £100,000 this year, an increase of £25,000, in recognition of the importance of this pre-Olympic year to the preparation of athletes for the 1984 Olympic Games. Of the 61 national governing bodies of sport which receive grant-aid, 22 are affiliated to the Olympic Council of Ireland and those organisations who have athletes of potential Olympic calibre will benefit from the increased grant to the Olympic Council.

I do not consider that anything like enough support or grant aid. I would love to be in a position to quadruple that amount of money. I understand the difficulties and the problems. I understand the expense involved. I have had a number of meetings with those people and in my opinion this does not meet the demand but in the present economic climate I have no magic wand to get money and I cannot achieve the miracle of the loaves and fishes. I have no means at my disposal to increase that grant.

The importance of providing our athletes with proper training for the Olympic Games must not be under-estimated. Success at the Olympic Games not only brings prestige to a country but also serves as a source of national pride which reaps beneficial results throughout society and has repercussions far beyond the radius of the winners' immediate environment. Gifted athletes raise community morale and inspire both young and old to participate in sport. There is evidence that the youth of the nation will try to emulate their heroes and for this reason there is ample justification for singling out the Olympic Council of Ireland for increased grant aid in these difficult and stringent times.

As already stated, I have been successful in achieving an increase in the youth and sport fund to vocational education committees — from £660,000 in 1982 to £700,000 in the current year. This fund is allocated to the vocational education committees to enable them to respond to the needs of youth and sports bodies and organisations at local level. This is a very important aspect of funding for sport and should not be overlooked when considering the provision in this area. Without support for local enterprise in sport, the national organisations cannot develop and it will be open to the clubs affiliated to National Governing Bodies of Sport to seek assistance from this fund from their local Vocational Education Committees.

In order to maximise the value of this sum of £700,000, I have decided to allocate it under a number of different headings: firstly each Vocational Education Committee will receive a youth and sport grant for the purpose of initiating programmes in sports leadership, organising courses in coaching, sports administration or any other aspect of sport if there is a perceived need within the locality, purchasing sports equipment for community usage, giving grants to local sports bodies and organisations for special projects, etc.

Secondly, grants will be available for the provision, replacement or renewal of equipment in outdoor education centres. Outdoor Education is a very important aspect of youth development and the equipment which will be available at the centres will enable all groups who attend courses to participate, irrespective of whether or not they are in a position to purchase their own equipment.

I have also made provision for a scheme of grants to assist special projects in disadvantaged areas, and for special grant aid to be paid to County Dublin and Dún Laoghaire Vocational Education Committees for the development of youth services. These latter areas have been identified as requiring special attention in this area and I am happy to be in a position to respond to the need.

An additional amount of £80,000 provided towards the employment of development officers in sport and community organisation will mean that a sports body which has appointed a development officer under this scheme will get an increase of £2,000 in the grant this year. The House will be aware that Cospóir, The National Sports Council, acts on behalf of the Government to promote initiatives and innovative measures in regard to the development of sport and physical recreation as leisure pursuits. The sports council has a particular role to play in promoting the concept of Sport for All among all sections, levels, age groups in our society.

I am happy to say that the Sports Council by combining ingenuity and good economy, has produced an excellent sport for all programme. On the one hand the sports council is promoting the general theme of sport and the older person during the year and has been given very valuable assistance, on a voluntary basis, by the sports organisations, the sports advisory bodies under the vocational education committees and by many individual persons involved in sport and physical recreation.

At the younger end of the scale, we have seen the introduction of a sport for all day in all our national schools on 31 May which, I am assured by teachers and Cospóir, was a huge success, and which, indeed, is a great tribute to our selfless national teachers who organised the day's events. On that day I visited some of the schools in this city and I was very pleased to see voluntary organisations, teachers and parents combining in celebrating that sport for all day.

With limited means, Cospóir has many promotions in the pipeline this year. The sports council will for instance be specially promoting bowling, badminton, mini-sports, sailing for young people, a bike week with RTE Radio 2, and is giving assistance to the now famous Dublin Marathon, An Óige walk day and other events of this nature. Under its auspices many enterprising local programmes have been planned by the sports advisory bodies which act under the aegis of the vocational education committees. The major Conference on Recreational Facilities for our Young People held by the County Cork Sports Advisory Body and the important seminars on sports injuries held by Counties Cavan and Mayo Sports Advisory Bodies are but examples of the fine work being done, albeit with limited budgets. I would like to take this opportunity to publicly express my appreciation of the great work being done by Cospóir and through the sports advisory bodies and the vocational education committees in developing sport for all throughout the country for the general good of our citizens and our young people in particular. In doing so, I am furthermore conscious that the members of Cospóir and the sports advisory bodies are all working together in a purely voluntary capacity for the good of their country, they being also, of course, representative of the wide and varied spectrum of sporting activity.

I accept the point made by Deputy Tunney that it is very important psychologically and otherwise that those organisations and those people who give their time to these activities should know in advance what the grant aid will be so that they can budget for whatever programme they have in mind. I have said before that I believe a more favourable and more regular funding mechanism must be introduced to provide the necessary financial aid for those good people who are making such a very valuable and necessary contribution towards the development of sport generally.

I join with Deputy Tunney in paying tribute to all those people who are playing such an important role. The Deputy mentioned the cost of keeping people in institutions. He mentioned prisoners. I accept what he said 100 per cent. Young people who are involved in games do not get involved in anti-social behaviour. They grow up to be good citizens. We should provide an incentive for young people to get away from the drugs scene, the glue sniffing, the vandalism and the violence which are so unnecessary. I do not want to see a Minister with responsibility for sport taking over completely with a grant aid. Side by side with whatever grant aid is available I want to promote community involvement and community spirit.

A Cheann Comhairle, you indicated to me that I had to confine my contribution to asking the Minister where the £100,000 went and I did precisely that.

If the Deputy waits——

The Minister is spoofing. Cospóir did not get it. The VECs did not get it. The Minister lost it to Deputy George Birmingham and he should get it back from him.

I have indicated where I have increased the grant to the organisations and the committees.

It was not that money we had provided.

The Minister should be allowed to conclude without interruption.

This Government inherited this situation and the Deputy cannot wash his hands of it.

The Minister inherited a healthy grant for sports organisations.

If the Deputy wants the facts I will give them to him.

The Minister has been speaking for nearly 20 minutes and he is only spoofing. A sum of £100,000 is gone and the Minister's eye was wiped. It went elsewhere.

Deputy Tunney should not interrupt the Minister.

Tell us where it went.

I have told the Deputy about the increase in the grant to the advisory sports bodies. The Deputy mentioned the Minister, Deputy Birminghám. With the emphasis placed on youth there was an increased allocation to the youth section of the Minister's Department. That is equally important in difficult times. I have told the Deputy that I increased the grant to the advisory sports bodies throughout the country.

The Minister should conclude.

The Minister let down the sports organisations. He did not look after them.

Since I was given responsibility for sports I have been involved very actively in the promotion of sports. I mentioned the sport for all day in our primary schools. I mentioned sport and the older person. I also want to mention a pilot scheme which I have introduced.

The Minister let down all these people.

I did not interrupt the Deputy.

I gave the Minister five minutes.

Three times the Deputy has brought me in here on the Adjournment on different matters. I have no objection to that even at this late hour.

The Minister is well paid for it.

(Interruptions.)

Deputy Tunney should not interrupt. This is disgraceful.

The Dáil adjourned at 11 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Thursday, 30 June 1983.

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