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Tuesday, 24 Oct 1989

Vol. 392 No. 1

National Economic and Social Council Report No. 88: Statements.

A Cheann Comhairle, I welcome this opportunity for the Dáil to discuss NESC Report No. 88 on "Ireland in the European Community: Performance, Prospects and Strategy". I recently had the opportunity to elaborate some views on the content of the report at a seminar organised by the Irish Council for the European Movement, and I am glad to avail of this opportunity in the new Dáil session to repeat and develop these views to the House.

From the outset, I would like to convey the Government's gratitude to the members and secretariat of the NESC for the very comprehensive manner in which they undertook this important study. The report's findings are both authoritative and detailed. They represent an important addition to our fund of knowledge on the complex issues which they address — issues which will have a fundamental impact on Ireland's performance leading up to and subsequent to the completion of the internal market by 1992.

Before dealing with the report in detail, I would like to announce that, in the context of renewing the mandate of the NESC for another five years, President Delors has accepted an invitation from me to nominate to the NESC an observer from the European Commission. This observer will participate substantively in the deliberations of the Council and will be able to make available to the Council first-hand knowledge of Commission research and experience relevant to topics being considered by the Council. This development represents a further significant increase in the importance of the NESC as a forum where the principles of economic and social development can be discussed in a nonpolitical atmosphere by the social partners leading to constructive proposals and recommendations for ultimate economic and social change by the political process. The involvement of the European Commission in this forum will be extremely valuable, providing a two-way exchange of knowledge and experience — the Commission gaining closer knowledge of our problems and potential, and our social partners being continually in touch with relevant developments throughout the Community. I would like on this occasion to thank President Delors for his decision to take this step, which can be seen as being taken in the interests of greater cohesion of our economic and social progress with that of the Community as a whole.

While the report will clearly be of particular interest and relevance to all sections of our society, I believe that it will also be of interest to our partners in the Community, if they are to understand all the economic and social forces which will be at play — for large and small, central and peripheral countries in the Community — in the run-up to the completion of the internal market. For this reason, I have sent copies of the report to my fellow heads of State or Government in the European Council, as well as to the President and Members of the Commission. This is because I believe that the detailed and authoritative nature of the report, coming as it does from a distinguished body representative of all key sections of our society, can give them a keen insight into both the concerns and the goals, which determine Ireland's negotiating position within the European Council in the run-up to 1992 and beyond. I also had an opportunity to refer to the report and some of the points made in it, when I met with President Mitterrand of France last Friday.

The report responds to specific terms of reference set by the Government in the economic and social areas which are germane to the NESC's general remit. The report is of the same importance as the earlier report from NESC entitled "A Strategy for Development 1986-1990". This provided the kernel of the Programme for National Recovery, which has proved to be the catalyst for a dramatic and sustained improvement in the economy over the last two and a half years.

The report originated from a request issued by me to the Council of the NESC in May 1987, to study Ireland's comparative performance in the European Community since joining. As a result of this request, the terms of reference decided for the report were:

(i) to undertake an in-depth study of Ireland's comparative performance in the EC, incorporating an assessment of the impact on Ireland of membership of the Community;

(ii) to assess the problems and opportunities inherent in unification of the internal market;

(iii) to put forward and evaluate the policy options available to help mitigate the problems, capitalise on the opportunities and consider what countervailing measures may be necessary.

If I were to attempt to paraphrase the conclusions of Report No. 88, I would say that the NESC's stance is clearly that Ireland's future lies in the fullest participation in the European Community. The central argument in the report is that full economic, monetary and social integration is in Ireland's best interests. However, the NESC are fully aware of the problems and difficulties that have been and will be experienced in the process of integration. Indeed, the Council's report provides a comprehensive analysis of these problems. Having considered the benefits of advanced integration and the difficulties which can arise at various stages of integration, the Council concludes that there are two prime requirements for Ireland:

(i) a clear national strategy for European integration which will provide a guide to external negotiations and domestic decision-making;

(ii) continued consensus among the social partners, at the national level and at the level of the firm, to ensure a swift and flexible response that is most conducive to the objectives of fuller employment, higher living standards and a better social framework.

The Council is confident that, if these requirements are met, Ireland should be well placed to maximise the developmental opportunities of the current phase of European integration. Otherwise, there is a strong likelihood that Ireland's performance over the next decade will fail to show a significant improvement over that of the 1973-86 era.

While the Government do not necessarily agree with every hypothesis advanced and every conclusion reached by the NESC, we are in agreement with their basic thrust, i.e. that Ireland's best interests are likely to be served by the fullest measure of economic integration, provided that this is accompanied by the necessary measures to strengthen cohesion in the community.

The analysis in the NESC report of Ireland's economic performance since joining the Community focuses attention on how we as an economy and society responded to the challenge posed by membership. In particular, domestic economic policy is an issue of critical importance in this context. The Community is now firmly committed legally and constitutionally to greater cohesion between all regions of the Community. This authoritative evaluation of our performance to date, set out in the NESC report, gives us clear guidance for a strategy which will ensure that our policies and actions and those of the Community can achieve the stated objective of cohesion.

It is appropriate, at this juncture, to introduce a note of caution, which is acknowledged by the NESC, at the analysis in the report on the question of the impact of EC membership for Ireland to date. Deputies will also acknowledge that the facts of our economic performance since 1973 were not solely the result of our membership of the Community, but also due to a host of other factors such as technological change, shifts in global trading patterns and two major oil induced recessions in the world economy as a whole. Indeed, an attempt to isolate the effects of EC membership since 1973 is particularly difficult, given that our accession to the Community coincided with a major and prolonged change in the world economic climate brought about by these recessions, which had a particularly profound impact on a small open economy such as that of Ireland's.

This is not to say that the NESC's analysis should be ignored. It should instead be seen as an indication of the complexity both of past trends and of any attempts to analyse likely future trends in the run up to 1992. In addition, it is clearly difficult to disentangle the effects of EC membership in itself from those of our own behaviour and policies during our period of membership. Clearly, there is no immunity for any country from the implications of shifts in global demand for products, developments in technology and changing patterns and terms of trade. The need to adapt is a continuing fact of life for every open economy, regardless of the trading bloc or group to which it belongs.

To recognise this is not to imply that we have no control over our economic destiny. On the contrary, it means facing the fact that economic performance is ultimately determined by our capacity and willingness to confront change boldly. Our experience over the last two and a half years offers ample proof of this contention. By responding flexibly, correctly and in time to events and trends in the international market place we can weather unfavourable changes and build on new opportunities as they arise.

EC membership over the past two decades, accompanied by huge technological advances and significant adverse changes in key international factors such as inflation, interest rates, energy costs and employment, was always bound to pose an immense challenge to Government, industry, trade unions and the farming community. As a society, we must accept that, since our accession, insufficient progress in closing the income gap and on the employment front derives in part from our own actions or inaction as well as from any inadequacies or failures of Community policies.

We have, however, learned over the past two decades some useful and at times costly lessons about how macro-economic policy should be conducted in an open economy. One lesson, in particular, is that expansionary fiscal policies financed by massive external borrowing that were practised after our EC entry in 1973 do not work. During the last two and a half years reductions in Government expenditure and borrowing enabled us to achieve lower inflation, lower interest rates, greatly improved public finances and, more recently, increasing employment. It also enabled us to derive the real benefits from EMS membership, by enabling us to maintain lower inflation and interest rates than Britain and closer to those in Germany.

The clear evidence of our determination to tackle the budgetary problem restored confidence in the economy and has improved our international credit rating. As interest rates began to fall, inflation reached a 30 year low, international competitiveness steadily improved, employment started to expand and unemployment to fall. This process has gathered momentum in 1988 and 1989, to such an extent that the recent OECD Survey on Ireland refers specifically to a "remarkable turnaround in both domestic and foreign confidence in the Irish economy". This quite remarkable turnaround is reflected, for example, in the fact that in both 1988 and 1989 the amount borrowed by the State has been cut by considerably more than had been planned, so much so that we are already well ahead of the target set in the National Development Plan of lowering the Exchequer borrowing requirement to 3 per cent of GNP or less by 1993. This major improvement has come about because of progress on both sides of the national accounts, reducing spending and improving revenue. Government expenditure as a percentage of GNP has been cut by a full 10 per cent in three years, from 55 per cent in 1986 to approximately 45 per cent this year. At the same time economic growth and a vast improvement in the level of tax collection greatly increased the revenue returns. The combined result has been a dramatic improvement in the public finances.

I would draw Deputies' attention in particular to the fact that the severe corrective financial measures taken over the last two years did not result in a major depression of economic activity. In fact, the reverse was the case. The remedial action actually established a climate for investment and business expansion, for confidence and for optimism. Even in the year of the toughest measures, there was GNP growth of 1.6 per cent, while in the years 1982 to 1986 when the national debt was rising rapidly there was no growth at all. This year, GNP is likely to grow by 4 per cent or more.

As a result, employment is set to grow significantly. Between April 1987 and 1988 employment rose by 11,000 and unemployment fell to 224,000 compared with the period up to 1986 when both unemployment and emigration were climbing sharply at the same time. While employment growth will have been retarded by the fall in public service numbers, we expect a strong resumption of the upward trend this year, particularly in the productive industrial and service sectors. Increasing employment, reducing unemployment and emigration, is the central objective of Government policy to be achieved both by macro-economic policy measures as well as by sectoral development measures.

The key factors for economic success in a small open economy are competitiveness and flexibility. The more competitive an economy, the more output it can sell and the more investment it will attract, generating further increases in economic activity and more jobs. While NESC rightly point to the fact that the stance of Government policy is a crucial determinant of competitiveness, it is not the only consideration; the response of the other social partners is an equally vital ingredient. With most of the economic fundamentals in order we are now poised to reap the benefits in terms of sustained growth and a substantial increase in employment. That crucially depends on maintenance of social partnership and consensus, which has enabled us to make such rapid progress so far.

The co-operation and involvement of the social partners in the Government's economic strategy in the context of the Programme for National Recovery has been a key factor in helping bring about the dynamic recovery of economic growth since 1987. I am sure that Deputies from all sides will join with me in acknowledging and commending the social partners for their crucial role in this process. I cannot emphasise enough, however, that the progress we have made over the last two and a half years in restoring confidence and growth to our economy has been possible only because we all worked together. Trade unions, employers, industrialists, farmers and Government combined in a concerted Programme for National Recovery, which has been a unique endeavour with remarkable results.

We have a unique opportunity to develop a successful, disciplined economy, that in good times and bad will perform so as to protect to a large extent employment, incomes and living standards. There is a number of models in Continental Europe and further afield of this type of economy that performs consistently and successfully.

This is a small open economy, with a limited domestic market on an island some distance from our main markets, emerging from a state of underdevelopment. We will only succeed in raising the living standards of our people and giving them the social services and cultural amenities they are entitled to, if we combine all our resources and work together in an agreed strategy toward common objectives. For over two years we have shown the enormous success that can be achieved in this way. We have demonstrated that, while becoming internationally competitive in our goods and services, we have also managed to improve our standard of living. We must not let this valuable consensus fall apart now.

The pursuit of sectoral interests, without regard to the wider national interest, would rapidly undo most of the hard-won progress that has been achieved. Any short-term gains would soon prove illusory. It should be acknowledged that the social partners have a far wider and more important role in society than merely pursuing narrow sectoral ends, and that policies relating to inflation, employment, social welfare and taxation have as much impact or more on the welfare of the community than short-term financial gains.

Indeed, the experience of the Programme for National Recovery perfectly illustrates the point. The Programme for National Recovery has ensured, by a combination of pay increases and tax concessions, that average take-home earnings have increased in real terms during the lifetime of the programme by between 3.5 per cent and over 7 per cent in 1988 and 1989.

The programme has enabled us to sharply improve our international competitiveness, as evidenced by our outstanding export performance, while at the same time improving our standard of living. I believe, therefore, that we must all learn the lessons of the last 16 years; confrontation brings failure and setback; co-operation brings progress and success. Maintenance of consensus is therefore vital to our prosperity. Consensus requires discipline, patience and compromise. But it is a faster route to increased employment and other shared economic and social objectives than any other.

It follows from what I have just stated that the Government fully endorse NESC's view that the maintenance of a domestic environment conducive to growth and enterprise is vital to our success in post-1992 Europe, and, that this environment requires continuation of the sound macro-economic management that has been pursued since 1987. But the challenge posed by realisation of the internal market means that important sectoral decisions and initiatives also need to be taken, and I propose to look at these now.

It is fair to say that the greatest effects of EC membership were undoubtedly felt in manufacturing industry. This was because barriers to trade in industrial goods were removed with membership much more so than barriers to trade in services, and agricultural trade was regulated by the Common Agricultural Policy. The restructuring which has taken place in Irish industry as a result of this process is well documented at this stage. The relative decline of the indigenous sector, and the growing concentration of foreign firms, especially in some sectors of industry, reflect the very substantial changes which have taken place in manufacturing activity.

There is no doubt that the approach of the single market combined with our greatly improved economic performance has increased Ireland's attractiveness as a location for industry. The attraction of companies like Intel and Motorola, the growing interest in Ireland of Japanese and other Far Eastern companies are very encouraging developments. The Government will continue to give every support to our industrial promotion policy abroad.

But there are other encouraging features within our outstanding export performance of these last three years. One has been the export performance of the reduced indigenous sector. Surveys conducted by Córas Tráchtála indicate that exports from this sector grew by 23 per cent in 1988 and that an additional 4,400 jobs were created in the process.

Notwithstanding these trends, the central issue relating to industrial policy in the future will be how, in the light of the impending removal of barriers to intra-Community trade, we can ensure that indigenous industry in particular adapts and performs better in the next ten years than in the past decade. An important strategy towards this end is the national linkage programme operated by the IDA, which is developing a core of top-class Irish supply companies to the global multinational corporations based in Ireland and throughout the Community. Adequate preparation for the internal market has also been the key theme in the Government's National Development Plan and in our 1992 information and awareness campaign, Europen.

On balance, there seems to be a certain degree of cautious optimism about the impact of the single market on Irish industry. If one of the main direct effects of the single market is the reduction in costs to industry through the elimination of customs and frontier controls, tax harmonisation, common technical standards and increased competition, Irish industry stands to benefit. In addition, the removal of non-tariff barriers and other obstacles to trade in our principal export markets should give Irish products and services access to markets from which they have previously been excluded. The challenge and the resultant opportunities are clear: it is now up to Irish industry to respond to them.

I would not disagree with the NESC report that greater specialisation in certain industries will be required, and that this will involve a greater concentration on the scale of firms. Our industrial promotion agencies are already focused on these aspects. The Government agree with NESC that industrial policy must also assist innovation in products and design, as well as processes, if it is to succeed in furthering self-sustaining industrial development. Already, there is a far greater emphasis on aid for R&D and new technology. This is fully reflected in the industry programme set out in the National Development Plan, and indeed this aspect has attracted favourable comment from other member states' representatives on the Advisory Committee on Regional Policy. These aspects will be pursued vigorously, particularly in the context of the forthcoming review of our industrial policy, which is due in 1990, and which will deal with new initiatives called for in this area.

Deputies will be aware that the NESC report rightly underlines the importance of the financial services sector in the development of the economy. Worldwide, financial services have been the fastest growth industry of recent years. The Irish financial sector exhibits many of the characteristics identified in the report as necessary elements for dynamic growth. It is competitive, innovative and, in many respects, already attuned to the international market place. A further positive aspect of the sector is that the domestic market has long been accustomed to the presence of major international firms competing with local enterprise. Irish institutions have shown their ability to succeed as important players in sophisticated international lending, foreign exchange and securities markets. The Government have built on these strengths in the successful promotion since 1987 of the International Financial Services Centre in Dublin. A most encouraging sign for the future is the participation there already of over 70 enterprises including many of the leading EC, US and Japanese banks. As a result, the centre will be the most significant addition to the city of Dublin and, indeed, to the Irish economy for many decades. It will serve as a flagship project designed to consolidate the economic gains of the recent past and to act as a catalyst for future sustained growth.

The Government agree with the report that we must not handicap our financial sector by an inappropriate regulatory environment. At the same time, it is vitally important to realise that prudent and effective regulation is a critical factor in successfully maintaining a country's financial reputation. The Government envisages regulation that will meet this need without being cumbersome or excessive; regulation that will assist rather than inhibit the development of the industry. The guiding themes in the recent legislation on banking, building societies and insurance are the need for sound and sensible regulation, the removal of restrictions on competition and the centralising, as far as practicable, of the regulatory powers in one supervisory body, the Central Bank. Furthermore, a useful and constructive dialogue has been taking place between the financial services representative bodies and the official authorities. It is important that the sector provides an appropriate input to policy-making leading up to 1992.

How well our financial institutions fare in the completed internal market rests ultimately with individual firms. Interestingly, NESC's report makes it clear that the relative levels of efficiency between competing institutions is a much more critical factor for success than is size. The Government can provide the framework for development of the financial sector, but the success of the strategy will depend on the enterprise of individual firms themselves.

On agriculture, the main thrust of the NESC report is the need for Community policies in regard to price support and production control to give greater priority to the problem of low income farmers; and for long term policies to solve structural problems, particularly as regards the areas of policy still largely subject to national decision-making. I take the point fully that it is incumbent on the Government to use all their negotiating skills to ensure that Community policies are supportive of Irish farmers and relevant to the new problems of Irish farming, because, clearly, the internal market process and the keener competition it will bring is as relevant to our farming community as it is to the rest of us. Clearly, the goal of 1992 is to improve the living standards of all our citizens and, in our negotiations in the Agriculture Council, I can assure the House that the Government will seek to influence the evolution of Community policy along the lines recommended by the NESC.

An important development is that the Commission recognise the structural problem posed by a relatively small number of large, efficient producers and a much greater number of farmers on very low incomes. The Commission is now moving to address the problem posed by this situation. We are fortunate that the brief of the Commissioner for Agriculture now extends to responsibility for rural development. This new approach signals a recognition on the part of the Commission of the importance of rural development, and this will be of positive significance for us in the future. I agree with the NESC that Ireland should be to the fore in promoting constructive developments in this area. Already, the work carried out in the pilot areas for the integrated rural development scheme provides an important basis for future action.

At national level, the House will agree that a major factor in solving the problem of low incomes in agriculture will be to put the fundamentals of the economy right. The agricultural industry has benefited considerably from the success of the Government's economic policy and in particular the reduced interest rates of recent years.

Progress in developing the food sector has been somewhat disappointing. For example, in the past the CAP encouraged farmers to produce beef for intervention and assisted companies to store beef, which was then sold in a relatively unprocessed form to non-EC markets. The long term future for the beef industry lies in supplying commercial markets in Europe, while the problem of seasonality in production and supply will also have to be resolved. The food sector is nevertheless undergoing major structural and financial development at present. The flotation of some of the major co-operatives on the stock market indicates a new confidence. Substantial investment is taking place in the sector. I am confident that this investment and the new market-led approach will stimulate the food industry and eleminate many of the problems, mentioned in the NESC report which have retarded growth in the past.

In addressing the issue of harmonisation of indirect taxes in the Community, NESC's task of reaching conclusions was greatly complicated by the emergence in May 1989 of an incomplete outline of the Commission's new approach in this area. At that time, the Commission saw its new approach — avoiding specific rates or bands and opting for a "minimum" rate formula — as giving greater flexibility to the member states. In principle, this approach would allow countries to settle on the tax rates which they wish. The Commission thereby hoped to avoid the budgetary and other adverse effects, which were at the root of the controversy about the Commission's original proposals tabled in August 1987 by Lord Cockfield.

Unfortunately, the flexibility suggested in the Commission's proposals may be more apparent than real. NESC's analysis of the implications of the new proposals for Ireland is realistic and perceptive. NESC takes the view that under the Commission's approach, and without frontier controls, Ireland would be forced by market pressures to move very close to UK excise and VAT rates. The alternative would be a severe distortion of our trade. However, approximation of our VAT and excise rates with the UK would, on very reasonable assumptions, entail an annual revenue loss to Ireland of some £600 million or 3 per cent of GNP. As the NESC rightly indicate, such a loss would create a real dilemma for the development of our fiscal policy over the medium term. If we had to sustain a loss on this scale, our ability to effect essential reforms in income tax, and to continue to curtail State borrowing and reduce the debt burden, would be very seriously impeded. This would not be what the Single European Act intended nor, indeed, would it be in line with the Community's own advice to us about the imperative need to continue the Government's present economic and fiscal strategy, including tax reform and restoration of sound public finances.

However, there have been some recent and interesting developments in this area. Following the tabling of the Commission's proposals last May, the council established an ad hoc group on the removal of fiscal frontiers. This group reached unanimous agreement on a report which was considered by the Ecofin Council on 9 October last. Significantly for Ireland, the conclusions agreed at that meeting came out in favour of a system of VAT payment in the country of destination, and not in the country of origin as had been proposed by the Commission. Thus, exports would continue to be zero-rated, and imports would be charged at the domestic rate in the importing country, upholding the existing destination principle. The conclusions indicate that this will apply for a limited but unspecified period.

This approach would reduce the dangers of deflation of trade. The Ecofin Council also agreed that, in regard to the limits on purchases which travellers may take across frontiers, special arrangements might be necessary for two member states, Ireland and Denmark. It was also agreed that VAT on cars should be chargeable in the country of registration. There is a great deal still to be discussed and the Commission has reserved its position on these conclusions of the Ministers, but I believe these developments have endorsed the Government's prudent and responsible approach to adjustment of our own tax system to Community developments, which it now appears may be quite different from what was originally proposed.

This was far from taking adequate account of Ireland's concerns, and it is, therefore, still incumbent on the Commission to bring forward proposals which will enable us to participate as fully as possible in the benefits of 1992, while at the same time continuing the present thrust of our fiscal policy, which is the bedrock of our recent economic recovery. The solution will require further modification of the latest proposals or the adoption of other measures, and the Government are actively engaged in discussions with the Commission and our Community partners towards that end. Indeed, recent comments would indicate that there is recognition of the seriousness of the problem for us in the Commission.

In general, NESC have produced a perceptive chapter on the problems of indirect tax harmonisation and its implications for other parts of the tax system. This Government have already undertaken far-reaching reforms of the tax system in relation to self-assessment, collection and enforcement, the planned reduction of the standard rate, and corporate taxation. Far more has been achieved in terms of spreading the burden, rationalising the system and reducing tax in the last two budgets, than was achieved for many years previous to that. The all-party committee on the financing and funding of local government will provide an opportunity to test how far the Deputies and parties in this House are really prepared to go on fundamental reform. The recent opportunistic call by the Fine Gael spokesman on finance to restore full mortgage interest relief can hardly be seen as the action of a courageous reformer.

As Deputies are well aware, taxation decisions are made at budget time and in the Finance Bill, not at this time of year. Five criteria will govern future changes in taxation; to maintain a fair and equitable system; the paramount need to sustain the continuing improvement in the public finances and to reduce the national debt; the need to encourage continuing wage restraint, while at the same time promoting an improvement in real incomes; the need to improve the competitiveness of our economy and to retain our skilled people at home; and finally, the need to maintain a balance in the economy by keeping consumer spending growing at a reasonable pace that does not jeopardise low inflation or our positive balance of payments situation.

Under the provisions of the Single European Act, the pursuit of economic and social cohesion is now a principal objective of the Community. The Structural Funds are only one of the several instruments needed to pursue this objective. Even after the recently agreed doubling, the Structural Funds will represent considerably less than half of one percentage point of Community GDP. In any event, cohesion is now an obligation of the Treaty, to be taken into account in the implementation of common policies and of the internal market. Member states are obliged to conduct and co-ordinate their economic policies to attain greater economic and social cohesion and to reduce regional disparities in the Community. The Government agree with the NESC that sustained growth of the European economy requires growth-oriented management of economic policy at Community level.

NESC recommend that the Government support the Commission and the European Parliament in the broad thrust of their policies for the development of Community regional policy. The Government certainly wish to see and will work for the development of a more clearly articulated and more effective Community regional policy.

It is appropriate to place on record here that agreement has now been reached on the Community support framework for Ireland, namely the context in which the greatly increased structural funding for Ireland will be invested up to 1993. The contribution of the Commission to the national development plan for the period 1989-1993 will be £2,860 million. Taking account of additional funding for new Community initiatives in which Ireland will share, the total support to Ireland over the five years in question should exceed £3 billion.

The achievement of this amount is the outcome of protracted, intense and carefully conducted negotiations with the Commission. In relation to our economy it is a significant addition to our investment resources, and a not inconsiderable achievement. The overall total amount for the community was fixed, and our share of that total had to be decided in relation to the shares of other member states. In fact, Ireland has secured the highest per capita share of the less developed regions of the Community. By 1993 we will be in a position to have doubled the 1987 allocation from the Structural Funds in today's prices.

There has been some misunderstanding about the regional aspects of the national development plan and our submission to the Commission in support of our application for assistance from the Structural Funds.

I would remind the House that, from the very beginning of our membership of the Community, a principle was clearly established that all of this State would be treated as one region. This principle has never been departed from in our relationship with the Community or the Commission, nor has it ever been called in question on either side. It represents an entirely rational approach. After all, the population of Ireland as a region is just over three million. In other European countries such as France, the FRG, Spain and Italy, individual regions may have populations of up to nine and ten million.

So the concept of Ireland as one region has always been accepted and acted upon. Nevertheless, on this occasion, the Government, entirely on its own initiative, decided in drawing up the national development plan to break it down into seven sub-regions and to carry out extensive and detailed consultation with economic and social interests in the sub-regions.

This was the first time ever in this country that any national economic plan was broken down into sub-regional sections and that full-scale consultations at local level were undertaken. It was entirely in keeping with the definite regional policy implemented by this Government, which includes such concrete aspects as decentralisation of the public service, the establishment of regional airports and many other similar elements. Our specific initiative in regard to sub-regional consultation was publicly welcomed by the Commission, who stated that they were impressed by it. For the first time ever in the preparation of a national economic plan, ideas for projects and developments were sought from every area of the country and, through a structural mechanism specifically established for the purpose, were incorporated in sub-regional plans for subsequent inclusion in the overall national plan. In these circumstances, it is simply untrue to suggest that there was any lack of consultation on sub-regional input on this occasion.

I would like to make it clear also that the sub-regional process will continue. We had made this clear from the time we published the national development plan. The two groups — the advisory and the working groups — which have been involved in the preparation of the national development plan at each sub-regional level will now be merged in each sub-region into one unit, which will monitor the implementation of the operational programmes and advise and comment on them. The merged groups will elect their own chairperson and secretary, and will have a representative from the Commission.

A crucial aspect of the national development plan and the operational programmes is the manner in which they will be implemented. This goes to the very basis of our ability to succeed in improving our infrastructure, our competitiveness, and the productive capacity of our economy. We have in this country fully adequate administrative mechanisms and systems for administering economic and social policies. These have been built up over the years in accordance with our particular requirements, in a way that is appropriate to our economic and social circumstances and the size of our country and population, without too many tiers of bureaucracy. These instruments of policy are flexible and directly related to the development needs of our economy and society. They involve different approaches in different sectors. For instance, industrial development policy is in the main centrally administered but with an input from local regional offices. Roads and sanitary services programmes are implemented on a county basis by local authorities.

There is no question but that the requirements of efficiency, effectiveness, and expediency all demand that the national development plan and its operational programmes be implemented through the structures which already exist, with which everyone is familiar, and which have evolved to meet the particular circumstances and population structures of this country. These structures have, since we joined the Community, successfully administered the Structural Funds without any difficulty or complaint from the Community. I am glad to say that in discussions I have had with the distinguished President of the Commission he fully agrees that, in the case of a relatively small region such as Ireland, the system of national programmes we have adopted with sub-regional monitoring and co-ordination was by far the most effective, if not the only way, to successfully organise the implementation of the national development plan. I am also pleased to note that the NESC report itself agrees with the treatment of Ireland as a single Community region, and accepts the consequent role of national government in the formulation of structural plans and policies for the country.

It has been suggested that the NESC report contains an implicit criticism of the strategy for development spending supported by the funds which is set out in the plan. It is true that the report cautions against an unbalanced pattern of expenditure which promotes infrastructure to the neglect of the directly productive sectors of the economy, but the national plan does not do so. It envisages massive support for areas other than infrastructure, areas of spending designed to exploit the indigenous development potential of the economy in industry, tourism, agriculture, forestry, fisheries, aquaculture and so on. This is quite apart from the encouragement to some of these sectors through tax incentives and other policies that do not involve expenditure eligible for EC support. The plan fully respects the balance recommended by the NESC.

The NESC also say the Government should address a wide range of infrastructure programmes to ensure that every sector of the economy is in a position to take full advantage of the opportunities now unfolding. In fact, the Government's approach in the plan has been to address infrastructural needs right across the board in an integrated way, so that each area will complement the other and contribute to creating the conditions in which the productive sectors of the economy can operate efficiently on the domestic and international markets. Let me also recall that access and transport infrastructure are precisely the areas which have been identified by the representative organisations in industry, agriculture and tourism, as most pressing in the need for major improvements as the single market is progressively created.

The debate on EMU at Community level is still at a very early stage. The ultimate form of economic and monetary union will only be determined by the detailed negotiations which have yet to take place. In this context, the findings in the NESC report are timely and relevant.

I clearly set out our attitude to EMU as recently as at the European Council in Madrid last June. I pointed out that we have a positive approach to EMU and will work for its accomplishment, but I have also made it clear that progress must have regard to two essential requirements. There must be a balance between advances in the economic and monetary areas, and there must be a balance between the development of EMU and the strengthening of the economic and social cohesion of the Community. There is no integrated economic area which has not had to take strong interventionist measures to ensure that the economic and social benefits are distributed fairly throughout its different regions, but economic analysis and history shows this is essential, if the cohesion, stability, and durability of the integrated area are to be sustained.

In my discussions with President Mitterrand last Friday, I reiterated our view that EMU could not work without convergence. The reports of both NESC and the Delors Committee clearly recognise that, if sufficient consideration is not given to correcting regional imbalances, the prospects of lasting economic and monetary union will be seriously at risk. Where the reports differ is in the degree and, possibly, the nature of the effort, on the part of the Community, which requires to be made towards strengthening economic and social cohesion. In making this comparison, however, we must bear in mind that the Delors Committee consisted of individuals of differing nationalities, experiences and philosophies. Indeed, given these differences it is most significant that the committee came forward with a unanimous report which acknowledged that particular attention would have to be paid to promoting balanced development throughout the Community.

That being said, I agree with the view of the NESC that the report of the committee is unduly hesitant and conservative in respect of the assignment of policy functions to the Community in an EMU, and also with the NESC view that the extent of economies of scale, and particularly spill-over effects from public policy, are such, and will be such, that responsibility for many more functions and policies than is envisaged by the Delors Committee will have to be shared between the Community and national tiers of government.

Among those policies, I would number measures which would modify in an automatic fashion the adverse impacts which the process of structural change can have on regions within the union. Such instruments already operate in existing unions. Tax systems are structured so that a drop in the income of a region results automatically in a reduction in its contribution to the higher level of government. Similarly, there are positive mechanisms for supporting incomes in the regions affected in this manner. The totality of such measures are a powerful force for cohesion.

Such mechanisms must, of course, be complemented by common structural efforts to aid the advancement of less-developed areas. The basis for such action has already been laid by the decision to make a substantial increase in allocation of the Structural Funds for the less developed regions of the Community, but I agree with the NESC that there is no guarantee that structural measures on their own will bring about the required degree of economic convergence. That reality is recognised, however tentatively, by the Delors report, which for the third stage of EMU envisages the Council of Ministers having authority to take "decisions to make discretionary changes in Community resources (through a procedure to be defined) to supplement structural transfers to member States ..." Both types of measure are, therefore, essential to the durability and stability of a union, and they must operate in a mutually supportive fashion. They are not alternatives, and to suggest otherwise is, in my view, misguided.

The sharing of the Community of responsibility for a wide range of policies including both automatic adjusters and specifically targeted structural measures, would inevitably mean the enhancement of the Community budget. We are in favour of such a course, which would intensify the internal solidarity of the Community and its ability to maintain major economic stability and sustainable economic growth. The size of the EC budget at about 1 per cent of Community GDP is far too small to make a really significant impact in achieving economic and social cohesion. In 1992, the budget will still be no more than 1.2 per cent of Community GDP, even after the doubling of the Structural Funds. This falls, as the NESC report brings out, well short of what economic authorities consider necessary as a basis for progress towards a durable and stable EMU. The report of the McDougall group, cited by the NESC, considered that a budget of 5-7 per cent of GDP, though much smaller than in mature federations, would be adequate if it was high powered. By high-powered they meant fulfilling to a high degree the redistributive and macro economic functions that are to be expected of an economic union, but at the same time aiming at minimum Communtiy-level public expenditure and minimum centralisation in the supply of goods and services.

We have to be aware, however, that there are some other member states who may not view the requirements of the future in this light, and who are, in fact, opposed to any further development of the Community budget. It will be our aim in the negotiations before us to advance our vision of the Community to the greatest extent possible. I believe the McDougall approach of minimum centralisation but maximum leverage from Community spending offers the most hopeful approach.

I would agree with the conclusion of the NESC report, which suggests that the Cecchini report on "the European Challenge 1992 — the Benefits of a Single Market" was flawed in certain respects, including the suggestion that it was based on an inaccurate and incomplete account of the theories of international trade and integration.

I cannot fully accept what the Cecchini report says about the potential distribution of gains. The recent work on international trade shows that, although the total potential benefits of trade to the EC as a whole are greater than was conceived in the traditional theory, these benefits are unlikely to be shared evenly and the possibility exists that a country could lose in significant ways from economic integration, unless there are countervailing measures and policies. The Cecchini report creates the impression that the trend of economic thinking is towards the view that the gains from integration are automatically more certain and more evenly distributed. This is not our view of how thinking is developing, and we will be pressing the need to ensure that cohesion must be at the forefront of all Commission study and thinking in developing the internal market. This means that, as provided in Article 130B of the Treaty, inserted by the Single Act, all decisions by the Community affecting a less developed economy such as ours must take full account of the extent to which these decisions will accelerate or hinder cohesion. The analysis in the NESC report supplies the deficiencies in the Cecchini report.

The NESC considers that the development of the social dimension of the single market merits considerable and more urgent attention, that this dimension is especially significant for small, less developed economies like Ireland, and that the active development of specific policies which are implicit in the social dimension would contribute to the stability and cohesion of the Community as a whole.

The report emphasises that the social dimension is an important aspect of positive integration, and, applying their analysis of the requirements for integration of both inter-regional and interpersonal redistribution, they conclude that the principles of public finance suggest that there are now grounds for partial centralisation of specific programmes in the broadly social area. Thus, their conclusions reinforce those reached in their analysis of Economic and Monetary Union.

The Government welcome the fact that the NESC have been able to agree on forward-looking and helpful conclusions in regard to the social dimension. From the outset, the Government have taken a positive and constructive attitude to this aspect. For us, the most important social dimension is the creation of sufficient jobs to meet the needs of our people. We have stressed this crucial aspect in the past and will continue to do so. Our priority now is to translate economic growth into increased employment. We want the Community of 1993 to be one in which conditions of work and employment will be further improved and in which training will be expanded and upgraded. We naturally support the strengthening of social dialogue, which at national level has been so central to our progress in recent years, and which, as I have already mentioned, must now be continued and reinforced.

The issue attracting the greatest attention at present in the social context is the proposed European Social Charter. The Commission has now approved the final draft of a charter, which it is hoped to have adopted at the European Council meeting in Strasbourg, in the form of a Solemn Declaration by the Heads of State and Government. At the Social Affairs Council and the European Council, we have supported the principle of the charter. We have informed the French Presidency that we support a charter incorporating political commitments, subject to certain concerns being met. As recently as last week, we reiterated our position to the current President of the European Council, President Mitterrand, and to the Commissioner for Social Affairs, Vasso Papandreou, during her visit to Dublin.

We wish to ensure that, as endorsed in Madrid, only those tasks that can be better achieved at Community level will be subject to Community regulation, with other tasks left to national legislation and collective bargaining; and we wish the charter to have regard to possible effects on cost competitiveness and, therefore, on employment prospects, particularly for small and medium sized enterprises. We are satisfied, however, that it will be possible to strike a reasonable balance between these considerations and the need for basic protection for those at work.

Before concluding, I would like to respond to certain demands from some Deputies opposite that the Government should establish an all-party committee to review the implications for Ireland of 1992, following the publication of the NESC report.

I would remind the House that, as soon as the previous Government came into office in 1987, I appointed a Minister of State in my Department, charged with full time responsibility for the co-ordination of Ireland's approach in the Community. This arrangement still applies under the present Government. In 1988, I established a Committee of Ministers and Secretaries of Departments, which have been meeting weekly, chaired by myself, to oversee our preparation for the internal market. In July 1988, we also launched a major national campaign to promote awareness and preparation for 1992, which is continuing. In the drafting of the National Development Plan 1989-1993, as I have alreday mentioned, we initiated detailed consultation at sub-regional level for the first time ever. These consultations, and the subsequent plan, form the basis for the Community Support Framework for Ireland up to 1993. The NESC report which we are discussing today and tomorrow was prepared on the Government's initiative.

I am satisfied that this Government's record in disseminating the fullest information and promoting the maximum discussion and consultation on issues pertinent to the 1992 process has been full and adequate. Furthermore, the Oireachtas Joint Committee on the Secondary Legislation of the Communities have a specific brief to examine draft Community legislation, including that on the internal market — to keep a close watching brief on developments leading up to 1992 and beyond, and to exercise their powers in this context as they see fit. As the Government's energies are increasingly absorbed in preparing for and later managing the Irish Presidency with effect from 1 January next, I cannot see any useful role for a further committee along the lines suggested.

In conclusion, I would again like to commend NESC for preparing this report. I am confident the House will agree that it is a matter for satisfaction that the various economic and social interests represented on the Council were able to come to such fruitful conclusions on issues of great complexity and controversy. It is a lesson to us all how difficult choices in economic and social development can be identified by analysis, discussion and dialgoue in a spirit of objectivity and public service.

It would be my wish that our problems can be approached in the same constructive spirit in this House. I readily acknowledge that there are many problems to be solved and that progress is needed on many fronts, above all, in relation to employment. But we should also be encouraged by the tremendous progress made in dealing with our underlying problems in the last two and a half years. Continued progress must not be put at risk by abandoning the consensus that has worked so well. We have to determine our priorities as we have done in the Programme for National Recovery, in the National Development Plan and in our programme for Government. Responsible opinion in this country wishes us to continue along our present course and to redouble our efforts. We will not be deflected by unrealistic demands or by short term political pressures from pursuing the steady progress which is required to secure a prosperous future for the Irish people in the Europe of the nineties.

(Limerick East): This is the most significant economic report to be published by any individual or agency in recent times. NESC, in this report, have effectively rubbished the bulk of Irish macro-economic and micro-economic policy and proposed a future strategy whose implementation would require not only the most fundamental policy changes but also radical constitutional changes involving an unprecedented transfer of sovereignty from this House to European institutions.

I do not intend to rake over the ashes of the past by restating the NESC analysis of our comparative lack of progress in Europe from 1983 to the present. It is sufficient to state that we have fared worse under almost every relevant heading than any of our European partners. Neither do I intend attempting to apportion blame for this among the policital parties. All the main political parties and virtually all the main political figures in this House participated in one way or another in the formulation and implementation of the policies which have proved inadequate. They were advised in this by the senior civil servants, the heads of the State agencies and economists from businesses and the universities who were the foremost men and women of their day in their capacity and function.

The past is another country and visits to the economic past of a country should only be made if one wants to learn from the mistakes of the past. Everyone in this House and everyone in the public and private sectors who is in a position to influence policy should read this report. Ireland had not done well since we entered the EC in 1973. We have done well in neither absolute nor comparative terms. We are further from the average European living standard now than in 1973. We have by far the highest rate of unemployment, the highest level of emigration, the greatest flight from the land and the lowest living standards of all the original members. The NESC points out that if we continue with our present European policies, despite the increase in structural funds, we will make no real progress towards convergence right into the next century.

If the NESC had left it at this they would have done a good job but they have gone further. They have proposed that this country should follow a pro-active European policy and have proposed the main planks of this policy. Whether we agree or disagree with their views, the NESC have identified the themes around which economic and political debate will revolve for the next ten years, and we in this House owe it to ourselves and the nation to adequately respond.

I do not believe that a series of statements here today which remove the report from the political agenda are an adequate response to the magnitude of the issues raised. I believe that a committee of the House should examine the report and report back to the House. I suggest that a sub-committee of the foreign affairs committee or a special ad hoc committee constituted for that purpose could deal with this report in a manner which it merits. I propose such a committee to the Government and I further propose that they report back to this House within four months.

Our best opportunity to influence European policy will be during the Irish Presidency which commences in January 1990. If, however, this country's European policy is merely to react to the proposals of others, to defensively seek derogations and special arrangements for Ireland when faced with new issues, to seek to hide rather than to explore, to run away rather than to lead, then our Presidency will be a failure and we will also fail to solve our fundamental economic problems because it is only in Europe and through Europe that we can solve them.

In this respect I am disappointed with the Taoiseach's speech. With the exception of one area he has broken no new ground and has simply restated his claims to progress and his attitude to the main macro economic policies within this country. It was an adequate speech for a Taoiseach at the start of a Dáil session; it was a very inadequate speech from the future President of the EC who is now in negotiation with the present President and Commission and who intends taking over in 1990. Where is the vision? Where is the Irish policy? Where is the pro-active approach to European affairs recommended by NESC without which we will make no progress towards convergence, as NESC say, and the Taoiseach agrees with these sentiments? Why do we always hide in a corner only to emerge defensively when somebody else proposes something and say: "We cannot have that, we must derogate here, we must make a special arrangement for Ireland there", and as we continue we are still out of line with the rest of our partners. We have done worst of all since 1973, 48,000 of our young people are still leaving the country through emigration and almost 250,000 of our people are still on the dole.

There is one area where I believe the Taoiseach broke new ground, that is, the area of European monetary union. I was interested in what he said but he delivered that portion of his speech in a most hesitant fashion as if he had not fully absorbed the implications of what he was saying. I was never one of the Members of this House who thought a lack of intellectual capacity was one of the Taoiseach's faults but I wonder to what degree that has been discussed in Cabinet, to what degree that is a considered view of his Government and to what degree it is simply an exercise in the flying of kites before this House.

It seems very stange that the Taoiseach in saying what he said in those pages of his speech which deal with European monetary union, the strengthening of the cohesion on the need for intervention by a central governing authority and balancing mechanism where if tax revenue falls off in one area it could be compensated by payments from the centre, did so without once referring to the whole question of sovereignty. What the Taoiseach is suggesting in that area is an unprecedented transfer of sovereignty from this House to European institutions. I should like to return to that area shortly but I should like to deal first with some other aspects of the NESC report.

I believe that the issues which NESC have put before us will be the main themes of economic debate in this country during the lifetime of this Dáil and probably during the lifetime of the next Dáil. It is worth looking at what they say and trying to establish an attitude in this House to those issues. It is also worth looking at aspects of the report to which the Taoiseach did not refer at all. I should like to deal first with the question of harmonisation of taxes.

There are various models which can be followed by countries which propose to co-operate closely in economic affairs. We can have a tariff-free zone or we can remove all the other barriers to free trade between now and 1992, which we are committed to removing and have a fully integrated market, or we can go beyond that and go for a full federation European monetary union with a central authority with the power and the function to intervene in the budgets of the member states. Whatever the outturn of what is happening in Europe will ultimately be, we know we are on a particular road and we have to face some of the issues immediately.

One of these is the harmonisation of VAT and excise duties. We had a proposal before us from Lord Cockfield but the Government did not state their attitude to that. More recently, Commissioner Schrivener published her proposals in May. She is, of course, a very able lady and she has decided that what countries are unwilling to do by negotiation and concession they may do when faced with the forces of competition. She is not saying we must have a banded system towards VAT rates. She says that there will be a minimum rate of 15 per cent at the higher rate and that competitive forces will bring countries closer together in their application of VAT. Of course that is true because it stands to reason that if you have free movement of labour, free movement of capital and the right to establish anywhere in the Community that somebody trading out of Newry where there are VAT rates of 15 per cent would be very competitive when competing against people in this part of the country where there are VAT rates of 25 per cent. At present the only reason these VAT rates have not entered into the competitive field is the existence of the Border and customs posts which prohibit the movement of large quantities of goods and services.

It is a very simple concept that if 1992 means the removal of custom frontiers then competition will force VAT rates towards the lowest point and competition between a big and a small neighbour will certainly force the small neighbour to reduce its VAT rates to somewhere approaching the level of the big neighbour. Various studies into this matter have shown that one does not need absolute harmonisation and that an approximation of VAT rates would suffice to remove any prospective distortion in trade. However, if we are talking about ourselves and the United Kingdom and the land frontier with the North, our top VAT rate will have to come down to about 17.5 per cent, otherwise there will be distortions in trade.

Certainly this makes life rather difficult for the Government because if Europe goes on with this approach the veto on which the Irish have rested their negotiating position for some time will be circumvented, because how can one veto the exercise of competitive forces? I would criticise the Government here because they seem to have no policy of their own. They are doing exactly what the NESC report have criticised this Government and all previous Governments back to 1973 for doing: their approach has been reactive — we wait for the Commission, we wait for a bigger partner or neighbour to propose something and then we react and if we do not like it we look for a derogation or do some special pleading.

That is the approach which underpins the main recommendation of the critical analysis. The NESC have said that is what is leaving us in the state we are in and that only a pro-active policy to Europe can cure that. Yet, as recently as today the Government, through the Minister for Finance, gave me a summary of the two Commissioners' position in relation to the harmonisation of VAT but refused to say what is the Irish Government's position. Of course, he refused to say what the Irish Government's position is because the Irish Government do not have a particular position. They have a general position where they agree that harmonisation is a good thing and hope we all arrive there in 1992 but they have no proposals of the means by which to arrive at that end. This is as good an example as we are likely to get of what NESC are criticising in this report.

I know that Madame Schrivener's proposals are far more difficult for a Government to deal with than those of her predecessor. She has said that there is no necessity now to impose a VAT rate on politically sensitive items such as food, children's clothes, pharmaceuticals, animal feedstuffs and medical supplies. That looked like a concession when the Minister first came home, but of course it is not a concession. It removes from the Government the possibility of saying "Sorry, lads, we had to do it because they forced us in Brussels". If a Government now try to increase the zero VAT rate they will take the full weight of political responsibility on their own shoulders. Naturally I would expect the Fianna Fáil Government to run a mile from that. The reduction of VAT at the top rate and the inclusion of the lower rates in a band between 4-9 per cent has been calculated to bring about a shortfall in revenue of about £600 million, even though the Department of Finance have not published the basis for that calculation. It is something we must face.

In dealing with this issue today the Taoiseach made three points. He said VAT can in future be applied in the country of import. That is fine since it will allow our exporters to export goods VAT free. It is satisfactory. Secondly, the Taoiseach said some special arrangements will be made for Ireland and Denmark on the quantities of goods which may be brought across the border. Again that looks like a concession but of course it runs counter to the whole idea of 1992. Are we and the Danes to be the only citizens in Europe who will not be able to trade freely across Community borders? Are there to be restrictions on our citizens when they go to Northern Ireland? Are we still to have customs posts at Newry and the whole way around the Border to Donegal? Is ours to be the only land frontier with customs posts in the EC, apart from an area north of the Kiel Canal along the border between the Federal Republic of Germany and Denmark? If so, what will it mean? What looks like a concession actually means that we will not be full beneficiaries of the integrated market since there will still be some unspecified restrictions on our citizens. Yet the whole basis of the integrated market is that we should be players in the largest and richest consumer market in the world comprised of 320 million people and because of the free movement of services, capital, goods and the right of establishment, we should grow and converge towards the European standard.

The Taoiseach also announced as a further negotiating concession that motor cars can in future have VAT imposed in the country of registration. This means we will continue to have outrageously high transport costs, the main contributor to which is the cost of motor vehicles and articulated trucks. The Europeans will allow us to do that. We can bring the Renault from France and slap VAT on it here.

The Taoiseach did not mention excise charges, which are a greater contributor than VAT to the cost of motor vehicles.

They are not in.

(Limerick East): Is it all in VAT?

There is no proposal for excise duty yet.

(Limerick East): The proposals, according to the Minister, will be before the next Council meeting. In discussing how the cost of motor vehicles relates to overall transport costs, I am pointing out that VAT is a smaller element than the excise component and I presume that a logical development of the policy of imposing VAT in the country of registration will be to impose excise duty in the country of registration of motor vehicles. On the one hand, theoretically we want the benefits of European integration, but on the other hand we look for concessions, which actually subvert our own position and we will not be beneficiaries of the market.

One of the greatest and most constant fears in Europe is that there will be two Europes, one on the fast track and one on the slow track. All the Taoiseach has said in his speech today is that he is positioning Ireland for the slow track.

The Taoiseach made no reference to excise duty. Why not? Because he says there were no proposals. This proves once again what I and the NESC are saying — that the Government have no policy on these matters, that their approach is to wait for proposals in Europe and then react to them. This policy approach has left us as the most disadvantaged of the European partners with the highest rates of unemployment, the highest emigration rates and the lowest standard of living, which is actually further back from the European standard of living than when we joined the Community in 1973. Has the Taoiseach read this report and taken on board the message that unless we lead from the front and mould European policy to our advantage by leading from the front we will drift on through the nineties exactly as we have since 1973 as the poor man of Europe? All the fancy talk about structural Funds and convergence will get us nowhere.

A very short section of the Taoiseach's speech referred to direct taxation. He talked about the Government's commitment to the reform of income tax. Rather like a bad rugby centre he keeps kicking for touch rather than dealing with the issue — up along the wing all the time. He said he would hear the views of other people in this House and test them all for their political and reforming wind because he intends to send the whole issue of the reform of local government to an all-party committee. The Taoiseach stated:

The all-party committee on the financing and funding of local government will provide an opportunity to test how far the Deputies and parties in this House are really prepared to go on fundamental reform.

That was great when the Taoiseach led a minority Government and we on this side of the House, to put the show on the road and try to get some kind of economic progress, said we would work through an all-party committee. Now the Taoiseach has a majority and in the Coalition which he now leads he has the six apostles of tax reform. He should not hide behind an all-party committee of this House and pretend that there is a reluctance in relation to tax reform among the minority, which inhibits him from acting with his majority. The Taoiseach has 83 Deputies and if he wants to reform taxation he should introduce those reforms in the budget and walk those Deputies through the lobbies. If he wants to bring in a property tax, let him do the same thing. He should not hide behind all-party committees. I have seen that one before.

The NESC report says that for a variety of reasons of which we are well aware there is merit in transferring the tax burden from what is mobile, like young workers going into well paid jobs in England, to what is immobile. They leave it at that. Does the Taoiseach agree? Do the gentlemen who recommended this report — the representatives of the farming organisations, industry and the trade unions — agree with that recommendation? If they do, does the Taoiseach intend implementing that recommendation in the NESC report or will he dodge it through the device of an all-party committee?

Following on that the Taoiseach had a side-swipe at me when he said that the recent opportunistic call by the Fine Gael spokesman on Finance to restore the full mortgage interest relief could hardly be seen as the action of a courageous reformer. I called for the full restoration of mortgage interest relief because, even through the Taoiseach does not seem to realise it, interest rates have gone up by 3 per cent across the board since the budget was introduced eight months ago. The Taoiseach is still regurgitating some of the economic speeches made last spring when the Government's main claim to prosperity and fame was that mortgage interest rates were going down. They have gone up and practically every bit of the ground that the Government won on reduced interest rates has been lost again. When the Minister for Finance further reduced mortgage interest relief eight months ago he said he was doing so because he felt justified as the rates had gone down. It follows from that that when the rates increase by 3 per cent I am justified in calling for the restoration of the interest relief.

Courageously.

(Limerick East): If we had a debate on political opportunism I would have far more stones to throw than the Taoiseach could ever find on me. If the Taoiseach wants us to go down that road we will do so. Does the Taoiseach realise that the average young couple, both working, have a mortgage of £35,000? Does he realise that the increases in interest rates over the last eight months have meant an extra £70 per month out of their pockets? Does the Taoiseach realise that the earning power of such a young couple to produce £70 per month is £1,600 or £1,700? That is the gross earning they have to write off to meet the new mortgage interest.

Some of the people who have latterly rejoined the Taoiseach's party seem to be giving him bad advice and removing him from the reality of Irish life if he regards mortgage interest relief as something which is merely a political football. The Progressive Democrats, when in Opposition, were the great advocates of tax reform. I do not know what happened in the negotiations between their representatives and those of Fianna Fáil but it appears that they have dropped some of the more significant aspects of their proposals. In particular, they have dropped their proposal to reform PRSI. There has not been a mention of that but I would advise the Taoiseach to put it back on the political agenda because all the arguments one makes about low marginal rates are only the tip of the iceberg unless the Government also deal with PRSI. Most of the poverty traps, most of the structural difficulties in the labour market are not caused by high marginal rates of income tax, even though they create other difficulties and should be lowered, but are caused by the incidence of PRSI. That happens for the simple reason that PRSI and the levies are applied to every pound of income and because of that the combination of employer PRSI at more than 12 per cent and employee PRSI, plus levies, of 7.75 per cent is an imposition of 20 per cent on every pound of income from the first pound of the lowest paid workers in the country.

A man who called to me yesterday told me that he has an income of £145 per week and he asked me if I could help him get a job. That man, who has a flock of children, told me that by the time he would have income tax paid he would need a job that would pay him about £250 per week if he was to be as well off. Is it any wonder that there are poverty traps or that there is a shortage of workers in the resurging building industry? The poverty traps are created by a combination of high marginal rates of income tax and PRSI. To attempt to reform taxation without addressing the question of PRSI is an activity that is doomed to failure. The Taoiseach should examine this before the budget.

In passing it might be worthwhile saying that if the Taoiseach, as he hints in his speech, wants to introduce a property tax he has allies in the Progressive Democrats. Even the watered down version of former Deputy McDowell's proposals involve some form of local taxation which would bring in £300 million when fully implemented. I am sure the Taoiseach realised in those heady days of July that 77 plus six makes 83 and that 83 works in this House with a little help from the honourable Member from Roscommon.

The proposals on agriculture are interesting and when one compares what NESC say and what the Taoiseach said one finds them very interesting indeed. NESC, without putting a tooth in it, said that we do not have an agricultural policy, that we have transferred responsibility for agricultural policy to Brussels. They said that we simply, to use a bad pun, seek to milk the system. NESC, proposing that we should have an active agricultural policy, made one significant statement, and I was surprised the Taoiseach did not address it, to the effect that agricultural policy in the future should be based on land use considerations. If we based agricultural policy on land use considerations we would wipe out the family farm. If that takes place, family farms along the banks of the Shannon will be as rare as Indians on the Potomac. NESC went on to say that those removed from the sphere of economic farming activity would have to have their income supplemented by off-farm income or, alternatively, by direct payments. We have gone over that ground before and we know where that debate leads. NESC also said that if that is to be the approach the Government should have the right to decide how farmers in receipt of direct payments should use their land.

The Taoiseach, a former Minister for Agriculture, must understand the implications of that and I am not surprised that he avoided the issue in his speech. If the Minister for Agriculture and Food contributes to the debate I hope he will address those issues. He should tell the House if Government agricultural policy will be based on the one criterion of land use and, secondly, if we are moving towards direct support of income on the family farm through some European mechanism it is the Government's view that they should have the right to decide on how farmers use their land if they are to qualify for that benefit. We must develop an agricultural policy and I agree with the Taoiseach, and those who compiled the NESC report, that our progress in establishing a proper food industry has been very disappointing.

The Taoiseach was rather generous in his assessment of the NESC report on industry. The section of his speech was familiar enough, a standard comment on industry by the Department of Industry and Commerce. However, I did not read the sections on industry in the NESC report in the way the Taoiseach read them. I thought NESC effectively rubbished industrial policy here in the last ten years. They did it in the nicest way possible but economists at their best are also at their blandest. If one was half asleep one might not realise what they were at but I thought the clear message was that the industrial policy we have been following has been inadequate and is inadequate. NESC seem to say that we have not taken main factors into account such as the influence of scales, competition from Europe and new technology. One of the conclusions is that our manufacturing base has been reduced since 1973 and we have failed in effect to establish an industrial sector based on indigenous industry and indigenous products. They came very near to say the whole approach of having offices all over the world to attract multinationals to Ireland, while beneficial in the provision of jobs, is not necessarily an answer to our industrial problems.

I sometimes wonder what has happened in the Department of Industry and Commerce. I am old enough to remember when the former Taoiseach, Seán Lemass, was Minister for Industry and Commerce and it was seen as the engine of the economy. In Deputy John Bruton's time it was a Department that was productive of new ideas, yet in the past two years and the past two budgets there is not one identifiable concept, item, policy matter which has come out of that Department. I was there for 12 months and I know the civil servants there are highly competent, but there must be some demoralising factor because they are not the productive Department they used to be. I wonder if the public perception that in some way it is merely the Kildare Street office of the IDA is one of the factors which is demoralising the civil servants there.

I believe policy should be centred in the Executive, monitored by this House and come through Government Departments. The proper locus for industrial policy in this country is in the Department of Industry and Commerce, in association with the Department of Tourism and Transport and the Department of Labour, and I would like to see it put back centre stage as the main motor of industrial policy. It is difficult now to distinguish between an analysis of policy and marketing programmes, and any country that confuses its marketing with its policy is in a difficult situation.

I thought NESC were rather nice about it, but industrial policy has not been successful in delivering the kind of living standards we thought would be delivered when we entered the Community, and I do not believe the suggestions in the Taoiseach's speech that we are now nicely positioned to be the new home for the Japanese attack on Fortress Europe are realistic either. Certainly we will get some of the shakeout, some of the spinoff, but until we have an Irish industrial sector, an indigenous sector soundly based on our own products, our own competence and our own educated young people, where we have our own research and development and our own commitment, where decisions in the board room are made with national considerations on the table as well as considerations of profit and the best location for promoting industry into Europe, we will still be in difficulty.

I would like to move to the area of the Structural Funds. The whole handling of the Structural Funds by the last Government was inadequate, arrogant and unsuccessful. I think that is known to the Government, who certainly were signalled long enough and often enough by those who know in Brussels, and I think the Government would have got more funding had they had a different approach. I know there is some extra money from the discretionary part of the Structural Funds which the Government will still get, maybe as much as £150 million, but there will still be a shortfall of almost £700 million. Since some of the matching funds were not provided out of the capital budget here but were supposed to come from private industry, in exactly the same way as the matching funds in the capital budget trigger extra funds from Europe, extra funds from Europe trigger matching funds from the private sector here. Therefore, I believe the loss in capital investment on the 70-30 per cent breakdown is £1 billion, and £1 billion is a big chunk of investment activity to be taken out of any programme. It is about a fifth of the whole programme. As I called on the Minister for Finance today, I would like to repeat in the presence of the Taoiseach that the Government have to say very quickly what is being taken out of the programme.

That would not be my main criticism of the Government's approach to the Structural Funds. My criticism is simple enough. I think the programme is focused on a series of projects, and the problem with the project-led approach to infrastructural development is that there may not be an economic return on the individual products at all. You can run dual carriageways up the side of a mountain and down again and you can put down sewerage schemes, rural electrification and water schemes and they may have a marginal effect for the better, I hope, on the quality of life of those who live in an area but also they would obviously have a kind of Keynesian effect at the time when these projects were in construction. If £100 million is spent putting down a bridge, a road or whatever in a region people are employed while the construction is going on, there is a great deal of sub-supply going on and there is activity, but when the JCBs go away and the Minister cuts the tape, the road is open, the cars flow through and there is not necessarily any lasting benefit.

(Limerick East): There is in some and not in others. Let the Taoiseach not smile and shake his head. I will develop my point and I think he will agree with me. The approach to the plan should have been a very simple question, by integrating a series of investment projects. What disadvantages which at present exist in the Irish economy or in the economy of a region will be permanently removed? That is the only worthwhile test. What structural defects can be permanently removed?

Inadequate transport.

(Limerick East): Fair enough, and certainly there is a great deal in the roads programme which is worthy. I am not suggesting the Government and their advisers are so inane that everything they suggest in the structural programme or in the spending is wrong. Of course there will be a whole series of meritorious projects constructed right around the country, but my fundamental criticism is the same. There was no attempt to analyse what the integration of projects would do for the economy of this country or of any region. That is where the flaw is in the approach rather than the fact that you have £700 million less than you applied for and whether that was a negotiating strategy. That is my major criticism and I would like to return to it when I have more time because I think it is very serious criticism indeed.

If we are to talk about the roads, there are a couple of interesting remarks here. The development of a modern infrastructure, a roads infrastructure, is not necessarily beneficial if other structural defects remain, because roads run both ways. If the multinationals with the economies of scale in Europe in footwear, clothing, or food regard all of Ireland simply as a distributive province — that is the way they look at it — there will be no Border. They will have a manager for Ireland for X brand beer and in they will come and sell it. Of course they need a good roads infrastructure because when they wheel the articulated vehicles off the boats if they have not an adequate road structure in this country they will not be able to deliver to the shops. If we develop an economy which is uncompetitive and at the same time put in a very good roads structures we are facilitating the attack on the domestic consumer market by those who are highly competitive in the UK and in Europe.

The Taoiseach is shaking his head and his Minister of State is shaking his head and looking up at the ceiling. This is not just Deputy Michael Noonan speaking. If the Taoiseach read the report — I am not saying he did not — and had the time to study it he would see they deal with that issue here and they say that is a major danger, that we put the structure together which allows the European competition to come in and destroy the Irish jobs, the Irish distribution business and the whole supply business in Ireland in the normal consumer market to the shops and supermarkets. It is worth looking at. The Taoiseach did not believe it when Deputy John Bruton said it six months ago. Maybe he will believe it when he appreciates it is from the report of NESC when they were set up at his request with his own terms of reference.

There is a section which is also worth reading for the Minister for Tourism and Transport if he has time ever to read what is in the report and absent himself from photocalls in various parts of the country and get down to the real work of transport policy. There is a very interesting section here on transport policy — on his old ground again — which I have gone over several times with the Minister for Finance and before him with former Minister Mr. MacSharry. A Leas-Cheann Comhairle, perhaps you would advise me on what amount of time I have left.

The Deputy has three and a half minutes.

(Limerick East): I would like in that time to deal, very inadequately though it must be, with a significant departure in the Taoiseach's speech and that is in the area of European monetary union. The Taoiseach could have said much more but, of course, he might frighten his Deputies. It is very hard to keep calm Deputies who are used to a series of policy turns; you tell them now that you are going to seriously diminish the sovereignty of this State and transfer it to European institutions, not only is the Taoiseach suggesting that he would agree to a European central bank in Frankfurt, modelled on the Bundestag, but he is also saying that before he would agree to EMU, he would need budgetary mechanisms to compensate for any weaknesses in the economies of members of the federation, if I remember his phrase correctly. That is very interesting coming from a Taoiseach who opposed the Single European Act in this House. That must rank with one of the great leaps forward of all time. The Taoiseach delivered it in a most hesitant fashion but it worked. I suppose we will see very quickly whether it is economic spoof or whether there is a reality behind it.

The first thing we have to do in this country to ready us for economic monetary union is to make sure we have a rigorous macro-economic policy at home. I think we are tied now to the Deutsche Mark for the duration. The Germans are importing inflation. It is not engendered at home and as we all know inflation in West Germany is the greatest sin. When they had to carry shoe boxes full of DeutschMarks around in the thirties to buy a packet of cigarettes they learned of the dangers of inflation. Ever since inflation which we would regard as acceptable is considered catastrophic in West Germany. Their present inflationery trends are imported. They are trying to deal with that by increasing interest rates. They have done so three times in the last 12 months and we have had no choice but to follow. They increased them three times and everybody followed, including those who could not afford to follow — the French and the British. The Germans are getting tired of raising interest rates as a mechanism for controlling inflation. Some of our innocent commentators in the newspapers here have only looked at the first half of the sentence and said there will be no more increase in German interest rates. If there are no more increases in German interest rates, as sure as day follows night there will be a realignment of the DeutschMark within the EMS, because what they cannot achieve by the interest rate mechanism they are going to achieve by a re-evaluation or a re-alignment or whatever we like to call it. I believe we will have no choice but to stick with it. The implications of that will be, by mid summer or early autumn, the Irish pound being on a par with sterling. I remember when the exchange rate——

The Deputy will not have time to recall much now.

(Limerick East): It is a very short recollection. The exchange rate with sterling is over 90p again. I remember when it reached the high nineties during the last devaluation. It was a classically well organised devaluation by Deputy John Bruton and by the Taoiseach's Government when they came into office because it kept inflation down by having a moderate wage agreement and it kept a very rigorous fiscal control. You will see the indigenous section of Irish industry up in arms by the middle of next year calling on the Government to bring down the exchange rate with sterling. I would say to the Taoiseach that he should ignore the calls if he is getting ready for the hard road he has outlined in the section of his speech which deals with EMU. The first test is to stick with the Mark when the Germans realign sometime in the spring or summer of 1990.

On behalf of the Labour Party I would like to extend our appreciation to NESC, the council of the secretariat, for this very detailed, extensive, analytical report they have presented to us for examination as to the likely impact on the integration that will take place in 1992 and the sort of things that need to be done. They have put a great deal of work into that and it behoves us all to examine it critically, see what the recommendations are and each of us, in our own way, try to ensure that a maximum effort is made in the very critical times that face us.

The NESC report that we are debating here today was published on 13 September last, almost six weeks ago. It attracted relatively little public attention at the time, largely because the Dáil was in recess and the opportunity to debate this important report was denied to us. The lapse of time between publication of the report and this debate throws into very sharp relief the obsolete and outmoded practice of allowing the Dáil to adjourn for such long periods.

On the day the report was published the Labour Party issued the following statement:

The NESC report published today confirms essentially what the Labour Party has been saying for sometime. The Fianna Fáil Government in office up to recently was monumentally incompetent in its preparations for, and presentation of, Ireland's case in regard to structural funds and future economic development.

Surely now that so authoritative a body as the NESC has essentially found that even a doubling of the structural funds may not be adequate to help us prepare for 1992, the Government will finally admit that their approach was all wrong in the first place. The type and balance of projects submitted, the lack of any community involvement or participation, and the enormous reliance on the private sector to achieve extremely ambitious targets — all of these gross miscalculations doomed the National Development Plan to failure from the start. We know now that we will not qualify for a doubling of the funds, and that most, if not all, of the targets set out in the Plan will not be met. Even if they were met, they would not be enough.

It is still not too late for the Government to insist that the peripheral regions of the EC must get their fair share of economic growth and development arising from the Single European Market. In this aspiration we share common cause with Spain, Portugal, Greece, and large parts of the United Kingdom. As recently as a couple of weeks ago, the Labour Party began a process of working on this common cause with Neil Kinnock, the leader of the British Labour Party. We know that there is a great deal to be gained through solidarity with the Governments and other political Parties of other countries on the margins of Europe. It is a further mark of the failure of the Fianna Fáil approach that they have failed to make the slightest effort to develop this solidarity of common interests.

In order to amplify on that statement it is necessary that we remind ourselves again of some of the main analytical conclusions in the report. I summarise them below in the same order in which they appear in the report. First, in the period since we joined the Community our economic performance has compared very unfavourably with that of other member countries. One figure stands out in this regard. Between 1973 and 1985 the increase in unemployment in Ireland was the second highest in the Community and Ireland now has the second highest rate of unemployment in Europe. Our failure in this area has been compounded by the fact that in the same period we built up a huge burden of foreign debt. Our standard of living has grown less than in the other EC countries and all this combines with a serious build-up of the public debt liabilities and responsibilities that are left for future generations.

Secondly, part of the reason for our failure to perform on the jobs front was our failure to plan adequately. The report makes the point that even though the Irish people as a whole were committed to European membership there was very little understanding of the things we would need to do if we were to compete effectively. That was one of the reasons so much of our manufacturing industry base, already small at the time we joined the EC, disappeared altogether.

The report in one of its central conclusions argues that in the longer term the benefits arising from the completion of the internal market are likely to be unevenly distributed. The greater benefits are likely to go to those regions where industry is already efficient and highly competitive. To put it another way, there is every possibility that the internal market will mean many apples being thrown into many already well stocked orchards. This point was made again and again by those of us who have always been sceptical of the benefits of 1992. It flies directly in the face of the Cecchini report, which found that smaller member states will gain the most from completion of the internal market. That report is described by NESC as based on an inaccurate and incomplete account of the theories of international trade and integration, a polite way of expressing very little faith in the Cecchini report.

Because of the central conclusion that the internal market by itself will not lead to evenly spread prosperity across the Community, the report's analysis of the likely impact of the doubling of the Structural Funds is of crucial importance. That analysis is based on three salient facts leading to one inescapable conclusion. Those facts and that conclusion are well worth quoting here: (1) even doubled, the Structural Funds will still represent less than one half of 1 per cent of Community GDP; (2) in the past Structural Funds have failed to achieve a narrowing of the disparity between regional incomes and (3) the recent reform of the Structural Funds is certainly likely to increase their effectiveness but does not mark a dramatic increase in their concentration on the most disadvantaged regions. Therefore, it seems necessary to conclude that the Structural Funds as currently constituted will not be sufficient to create convergence, let alone establish equality in regional economic structures and incomes.

Arising from all this, NESC go on to set out what they describe as their most fundamental conclusion, namely, that neither member states nor the Community will be able to meet the challenges if they view the current level of integration and the existing set of Community policies and arrangements as the limit of what is available to deal with problems. It is difficult for anyone to disagree with this analysis.

There are many recommendations in the report with which I agree but there are others with which I take issue. The sections in the report which urge economic and monetary union — EMU — go too far because they largely ignore the counterbalancing social consequences that would flow from the economic adjustments required. However, the report is a valuable document which sets forward its views honestly and which should enable and encourage a higher level of informed debate on this whole vital area.

Particularly in the area of the Structural Funds it is clear that we have been badly let down by the Government representing us in the negotiations over these funds in the past couple of years. As we said on 13 September last, the gross miscalculations of the type and balance of projects submitted, the lack of any Community involvement or participation and the enormous reliance on the private sector to achieve extremely ambitious targets doomed the national plan to failure from the start. We now know that we will not qualify for a doubling of the funds and that most — if not all — the targets set out in that plan will not be met. Even if they were met they would not be enough.

The real value of the NESC report lies in the fact that NESC are both an authoritative and representative body. Many people have argued over the years that the process of economic integration in Europe was one that required a great deal of public debate, preparation and planning. Those arguments have in the main fallen on deaf ears as various sectional interest groups joined the headlong rush to secure whatever transitory benefit might flow from aspects of our European membership, the Common Agricultural Policy being a prime example. Now, for the first time, a body — representative of workers, employers, farmers and the Government — is saying essentially the same thing. It must be hoped that the call of NESC for debate and planning will not also fall on deaf ears. Tragically, the signs are that already the report of NESC will be allowed to gather dust on ministerial shelves in much the same way as a great many other reports in the past. The first straw in the wind is the Government's refusal to allow any Community involvement in the preparation of the National Development Plan. The narrow-minded and blinkered approach has extended to the refusal of the Government to take up the sum of £11 million or so of funds available for projects springing directly from the local community. The reason for that refusal is simple — the Government are afraid that once people in their own community get a taste of real involvement in decision making and are in a position, through direct contacts with the European institutions, to benefit their own communities they will want more involvement. Fianna Fáil in particular have always been afraid of any real decentralisation of power since it undermines the triumphalist philosophy on which the entire Fianna Fáil ethos is built.

That decision, bad though it is, pales into insignificance beside Fianna Fail's indifference to planning in the overall sense. An examination of the National Development Plan, set beside the needs outlined in the NESC report, illustrates this quite clearly. We need to improve our infrastructure and those of our amenities which will help our tourist industry to grow, but these measures alone will not help us to deal with the major issue of economy of scale from which our industry, particularly our manufacturing industry, will suffer in the context of 1992. The NESC report is very specific on this point; 1992 will lead to a radical restructuring of industry throughout Europe with larger, lower cost, more efficient producers swallowing up their smaller competitors. There are only two ways in which we can thrive within this process. The first is by encouraging the growth of larger, more efficient, indigenous industries, and the second way in which we can survive in an integrated Europe is by going for excellence in our products, innovation in our ideas and an absolute reliability in our delivery of products to the marketplace. Our record in this area gives little reason to be confident.

Our industrial policy for the last 20 years and more has been aimed virtually exclusively at attracting foreign multinational industry, precisely the type of industry which will be encouraged to gravitate toward the centre as the internal market nears completion and thereafter. Lip service has been paid to the need to build indigenous industry but the practice has seldom matched the sermon. The building of indigenous industry requires new structures, methods and an entirely new attitude. I will be returning to that attitude in a moment. Given the history and our experiences of industry here in the past, I find it remarkable that we continue merrily to go down that same road. There is no looking back, no assessment of the position into which reliance on multinational corporations has brought us.

There are very grave dangers for us in the context of 1992. I know we have to bolster ourselves and prepare or gear up but, quite frankly, based on the lack of planning, lack of policy shown in the course of the Taoiseach's remarks, shown in the lack of activity of Fianna Fáil Governments and this present Coalition Government, I am very pessimistic as to what will be the outcome of industry here in the approach to 1992 and thereafter. We have committed ourselves almost exclusively to reliance on the Japanese, the Americans, the Germans, heavily into the area of electronics, computers and so on. The Taoiseach had this to say in the course of his remarks:

An important strategy towards this end is the national linkage programme operated by the IDA which is developing a core of top class Irish supply companies to the global multinational corporations based in Ireland....

Is that what we are about? Is it to be our role that we provide service companies to service the industry that the multinationals will come in here and set up? Is that to be our ultimate aim? Is that to be our ultimate achievement in this country — to service companies to service the multinationals? Do we not realise, can we not see, that the very mobility of those multinational companies, as appears from their very names, is such that they cannot be relied on to remain here after 1992? These companies have many plants here, in Britain, Germany, Italy, in every country of the EC, and they can pick and choose; they can move here or move there at the drop of a hat. They cannot be relied on in any way to give continuing worthwhile employment here. Have not we seen that all too often in the past? They have no commitment to this country. Indeed, they have no commitment to any country, not even those in which they are based. Rather it is commitment to their profits and they move where it suits them to do so.

That is why the much-vaunted Telesis report, to which lip service is always paid, tried to engineer a change of direction there so that at least we would have indigenous companies which, if nothing else, would have a commitment to the country and its workers. Where is the policy directive of this Government? Where is the policy directive in the Taoiseach's speech to try to aim us in that direction, to endeavour to say, here are our plans, our policies which will lead us toward that end? There is already a complete abandonment of any kind of responsibility in that direction.

Within the last couple of years our industrial policy has been marked by three perceptible shifts in practice. The overall effect of those shifts has been to render the policy even less useful in terms of the future. The first shift led to a major concentration in the effort to attract those foreign companies in the financial services sector here. The Taoiseach made much of that in the course of his remarks. I do not wish to enter into the merits or otherwise of the approach being followed in this debate. However, the question will have to be posed: at a time when all the barriers to the utmost freedom of capital and money are being broken down, how long do our policymakers think a foreign financial services industry will last here, that is assuming it gets off the ground in the first place? What steps are being taken to ensure that our native financial sector, for instance, building societies, will cope with that level of competition?

The second shift in emphasis has affected the future prospects of some of our largest native wealth creating companies. I am talking here about public sector companies which have done so much over the years to contribute to the building of our economic base and the wealth of our country. The shift in emphasis we have seen is best described as the creeping into being of a perceptible and growing bias against the public sector. That bias has already ensured, in several instances, that those companies most affected will be less able to withstand the pressures of 1992, to go on to develop and provide the employment and resources we so badly need.

I will give just one instance of what I mean. The new air transport policy announced by the Government recently amounted to a cold-blooded attack on Aer Lingus, the national airline. It is impossible to see that policy as any more than a thinly disguised effort to ensure that Aer Lingus are hampered in their effort to successfully trade in an atmosphere of deregulation and growing competition. The rules of the game were altered overnight to suit other airlines at the expense of Aer Lingus. Under this new policy Aer Lingus will lose several important routes, one of considerable strategic importance to the company, the Stanstead one. The irony of the decision, or the importance of Stanstead, lies in the efforts of Aer Lingus to plan for the future. Stanstead is not such a loss now but Stanstead is all about 1992.

Our national airline has successfully traded its way out of enormous financial difficulties. Staff have adopted new work practices. The airline has become a great deal more efficient, standards have risen and fares have dropped. Faced with new competition, Aer Lingus have responded magnificently and professionally. Now the company is engaged in a major, expensive programme of fleet replacement in order to ensure that it remains an attractive and profitable State company into the future. In the middle of that they are faced with this shattering blow which would be the equivalent of telling RTE that they could broadcast only at certain hours of the day in order to facilitate the emergence of commercial radio, or of telling CIE that they cannot run buses at peak hours to give private bus operators an even break. That is not a policy aimed at strengthening the industry. Its sole purpose is to facilitate the private part of the industry at the expense of the public part. The effect of what the Minister announced on this issue is to introduce a hidden subsidy from the people of this country for private air transport. The announcement flies in the face of proper and fair competition. I find it impossible to believe it is legal in the context of European laws on the subject.

I cannot understand how the Leader of the Progressive Democrats, who argued so effectively for open competition in this area some years ago, can stand over the scandalous secret subsidy. Of course, on this occasion the subsidy is being given to the private sector. Perhaps that is the reason the advocates of fair competition will be silent on this occasion. The fate of Aer Lingus at the hands of this Government is but one example of how an anti-public sector bias is distorting our ability to plan and prepare for 1992. The public sector commercial companies in Ireland are among the very few companies capable of meeting the challenge of the internal market, but they must be helped and not hindered.

Earlier, I referred to three recent shifts in our industrial policy that have rendered that policy less than useful in so far as it was ever useful in our preparations for 1992. The first two shifts related to the growing reliance on the multinational financial services sector and the anti-public services bias. The third and perhaps most important relates to the "hands off", laissez faire approach of the last few years. NESC make it clear, as Telesis made it clear, that the development of strong indigenous industry is of fundamental importance and that this cannot happen without a strong interventionist Government approach. Where is that approach? I can see already in the way that the national development plan was drawn up that this Government and their immediate predecesors place an almost total reliance on the private sector, a private sector which never succeeded in providing the employment, resources and living standards that the people required. We have gone through good times and bad times but never have the private sector come any way towards meeting the requirements of ordinary working people.

This Government pin their support on that ethos which has dominated policy-making in the last few years, this idea that all that private industry needs to grow is the right climate. They say that when the climate is right the private sector will return to its divinely appointed task of wealth creation and that it will ensure that wealth is retained in Ireland and invested in risk-taking product manufacturing industry and that it is effectively and equitably distributed, leading to the creation of thousands of viable, sustainable, good jobs which we need. This policy is built on the assumption that the private sector is in reality a good fairy just waiting for the rain to stop so that she can wave her magic wand over our social and economic problems. I cannot come to grips with the mentality behind the policy approach which is informed by such a monumental delusion. Even when it is obvious to everyone that intervention is essential, this Government and their immediate predecessors cannot seem to grasp the point.

NESC make it clear that Ireland cannot be indifferent to foreign take-overs of indigenous business. To put it less bluntly, we have to be aware at all times that some of our enterprises will be taken over simply in order to be closed down. In that context the apparent indifference of the Irish Government during the take-over of Irish Distillers, for example, is quite staggering, but perhaps that is all that is to be expected from a Government willing to sell Irish Steel to the Germans, Irish Sugar to the French and Irish Life to the Arabs as long as the price is right.

There are many issues arising in the context of 1992 other than just the issues surrounding industrial policy. If I have concentrated on industrial policy it is because we cannot just survive, we can thrive in a vastly more competitive Europe, but we cannot do it without the leadership that a radical industrial policy change can give. The industrial policy we are following now is a recipe for inertia, and that will lead us to disaster.

The NESC report points out — and it is important — that clear Irish policy aims and methods are essential. Those policy aims must be written down, circulated and debated. The notion runs through this Government that by some mystical system or method, because we are a member of the Community, Irish aims and methods are not required. That is not so. If that is the road we go down we are in for a potentially disastrous situation in 1992.

In the run up to 1992 we have to face the dilemma of what NESC politely calls "tax approximation". For the purposes of this discussion we must recognise that the issue of whether or not there should be VAT on food is, in essence, a social issue. We know to an extent that no one can seriously deny the scale and the reality of poverty in this country. We know that here in Ireland the problem of undernourishment in children is a growing crisis. In that context it must seem to many to be absolutely ludicrous that we should be even discussing the possibility of increasing the price of many basic and essential items of food by perhaps as much as 15 per cent.

It is ludicrous. The imposition of VAT on food without very considerable compensation for those on low incomes would be a scandal of the highest proportions. The end result would be that the poorest mothers of the largest families would end up carrying the price of the Single European Act, and that can never be allowed. But neither can we tolerate the loss of £500 to £600 million in revenue that will inevitably result from the reduction of higher rates of VAT, without a spreading of the VAT base. From bitter experience we know that such a loss of revenue would be recouped from our health and education services. It is extremely unlikely, given the present complexion of forces in this House, that the owners of property and wealth will be asked to make up this shortfall. In that context I want to use the opportunity of this debate to put down a marker on behalf of the Labour Party. NESC make the case that Europe should be asked to make up the shortfall in revenue — perhaps by taking a hand in the financing of our health or education budgets. Whoever makes up the shortfall, I want to say on behalf of the Labour Party that it will not be the poor.

For too long already the poor of our country have been asked to carry the burden of our necessary adjustments. It is they who have suffered most from cutbacks in health, they who have to pay the iniquitous health charges and queue for deteriorating access to services; it is the poor who have suffered from all the cutbacks introduced by stealth to our social welfare system; it is the poor who are increasingly denied equal access to education; it is the poor who have suffered from the virtual elimination of the public housing programme. They cannot now be asked to carry the additional and unjust burden we desire to adjust VAT rates.

I want to register the alarm felt on our side of the House at the remarks passed by the Taoiseach in the context of his discussions with President Mitterand, in so far as those discussions referred to the social charter. The Taoiseach was reported as expressing the reservation, if I may paraphrase him, that even though the social charter was all very well in principle, it could not be allowed to interfere with the essential task of job creation. This is a classical right-wing response. The logic of certain sections of the business community and of a large section of the ideological right is that deregulation creates jobs. They point to America, where employment creation has been very considerable in the past few years, and they point out that deregulation was the key. They tend not to elaborate on what deregulation means in this context. It means no holiday entitlements until workers are in their third year of full-time employment, the right of employers to hire and fire at will, the absence of any sick pay or pension entitlements, a blank rejection of union representation and the loss of a host of other rights that workers in Europe take for granted. It is clear from any examination of deregulated employment that there is a balance to be struck between quantity of employment and quality.

For my part, I want to use this opportunity to emphasise the importance of the European Social Charter. It must be the cornerstone of all plans to remove barners between now and 1992. The Community we want to build must not be a Community of disparities but a socially cohesive one, and the social charter is as integral and vital an ingredient as any other. The social charter demands the right to fair wages and hours of work, the right to information, consultation and participation of workers in plans concerning the future of their companies. A Europe which aims to be cohesive must see its workers and its unemployed as Europeans too — every bit as much as the financial speculators and the wealthy businessmen.

The irony of the Irish Government's uneasy position in relation to the social charter is that that charter, if implemented in full, would only enable us to catch up to conditions in a number of other countries — countries like Sweden, Denmark, West Germany and Belgium. In all of these countries, many, if not all, of the elements of the social charter are already well established. These countries have something else in common as well. They all have levels of unemployment a lot lower than ours and standards of living considerably higher. It is hard to argue from that kind of comparison that a recognition of workers' rights is incompatible with high employment.

There is one passage in the NESC report that struck me forcibly. To those of us who have watched in anger as this Government have botched our preparations for 1992, it is hard to read the following passage from the report without feeling that NESC were trying to drop a hint:

... the objective of regional convergence, like other objectives, to be accepted as a Community priority, must be advocated by argument of the highest quality and in the widest possible forum. Ireland, both its Government and its people, must play a leading role in this debate.

I would interpret NESC as saying in that passage that our Government have yet to get their act together in arguing Ireland's case. It is not too late for proper planning, consultation, and leadership, but it will be too late soon. The matter is urgent.

NESC point out that ground lost now by businesses in preparation for 1992 cannot be made up later. There is no idea that we can say we still have time, it is still only 1989 and we will do it later. Every month that goes by is time lost that we will not be able to make up. As has been pointed out, uncertainty is a problem at present — uncertainty in regard to what 1992 holds in store and also uncertainty in regard to the intentions of Government. That is my major criticism. This Government have left industry, the public sector, the private sector, workers, all of us, in a complete state of uncertainty as to their intentions, and NESC confirm that.

NESC acknowledge that the Government are constrained because some issues are not yet clarified at Community level. That is understandable and fair enough, but NESC go on to say that there are many areas where the broad lines of Community policy are clear and where the Government here could thus set out their own position but that they have signally failed to do. NESC state at page 545 that in order to reduce uncertainty the Council recommends that the Government should review and publish their intentions in regard to these issues. I had thought and hoped that the Taoiseach would come in here today with a long speech and perhaps would give some indication what these intentions are, but that was not to be. There is no indication of that.

As I said earlier, it is essential that each party in the House should work with our sister parties in Europe to ensure that the country's needs in 1992 will be spoken for and advocated. We in the Labour Party, jointly with the Socialist parties in Europe, have done just that and have produced a package for 1992. Some of the items in that package are as follows. They would provide for a selective employment policy for disadvantaged regions with full local participation; they would provide emphasis on the job creation aspects of the structural funds, an active policy of environmental protection, a commitment to combat poverty, a charter of social rights for all workers covering health, safety, consultation and so on, and full worker participation in all aspects of policy development and change.

There is an important aspect we must look to and that concerns the infringements on even existing Community rules that many of the States in the EC are guilty of. It is clear from the NESC report and from other reports that even existing rules of the EC for free movement of goods and services in many cases are not being observed and there is a backlog of prosecutions and cases pending in the European Court to try to get those straightened out. Is that going to be repeated after 1992? There is no doubt that that kind of situation militates very seriously against Ireland, and that must be one of the serious matters of negotiation that the Government must take up at Community level.

Debate adjourned.
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