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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 27 Feb 1991

Vol. 405 No. 7

Adjournment Debate. - Cashel (Tipperary) School Project.

I would like to thank you, a Cheann Comhairle, for giving me permission to raise on the Adjournment this urgent and important matter of the proposed community school in Cashel.

When I spoke on this subject in February 1990, and yet again in November 1990, little did I realise that on 27 February 1991, not only would there have been no progress achieved with the community school in Cashel but, worse still, the situation would have deteriorated even further so that we now find ourselves locked in a legal tangle between the Department of Education and the quantity surveyors.

I am very disappointed that the Minister for Education is not present here tonight to hear this debate, but I can assure her there is no escape from this issue and there is no means of avoiding the anger and the frustration of the people of Cashel. I will, however, admit that the present mess is not of the Minister's making and I expect and hope that she is as disappointed as I am with the current situation. However, though our sympathy towards the Minister is willingly given, it does not alter our request, or indeed our demand, that the Cashel community school must be provided urgently and without delay and the responsibility for this rests entirely on the Minister's shoulders.

The deplorable conditions of the Presentation Convent in Cashel are well known to the Minister. I will, however, remind her that this school has poor, unhealthy sanitation; it is a fire hazard; it has no entrance for a fire brigade; it has grossly inadequate classrooms; there is constant flooding in the pedestrian area of the school premises; and there is no ventilation.

The past two months have seen the situation disimprove still further. In fact, one whole section of the school building is now without electricity supply and will remain without it unless a total rewiring job is carried out on the entire building. It has been judged unsafe to use any electrical appliances or even to turn on the light.

The result is that five classes now have to be taught in daylight — not always adequate or dependable. No equipment, such as record players, tape recorders or overhead projectors can be used. Yet these students are expected to compete in State examinations with their counterparts who have the facilities that are not only necessary but vital for participation or good results in State examinations.

Added to these appalling conditions I have outlined, there are 98 students on the streets in Cashel every day moving from one school to another to avail of optional subjects. Some of these students move between schools three times a day in hail, rain, sleet, snow or sunshine. I would like to say to the Minister for Education that this is just not on. I believe the Minister will agree that the appalling conditions for post-primary education in Cashel are not only undesirable but totally unacceptable.

On 28 November 1990, the management of the three schools — the Presentation Convent, the Christian Brothers school and the vocational school — along with the parents' representatives in a meeting with the Minister for Education were assured that the problem of the quantity surveyor would not be solved in the future but would be solved in a day or two. Three months later the problem remains unresolved and matters have deteriorated further. Cashel cannot wait until this legal mess is sorted out.

That is totally dishonest.

Cashel should not be asked to wait until a solution is found to a departmental problem. What is the current situation? Are the Department moving away from the new departure of design, build and finance? The most important question here tonight is when will the community school in Cashel commence? I am asking the Minister to include the Cashel project in the current capital programme. Having waited since 1976, having shown immense co-operation with the new departure, Cashel now deserves priority on her agenda.

The anger and frustration of parents, teachers, students and school managers in Cashel cannot be over-estimated. The present deadlock in the school development is not only causing a mounting tide of impatience and intolerance, but worse still there is a sense of despair and desperation. The people of Cashel implore the Minister to put Cashel as a priority on the agenda and to sanction the school immediately.

I support Deputy Ahearn in this.

I propose to give one minute of my time to Deputy Noel Davern if that is agreed by the House.

I am sorry, Deputy Ahearn chose invective, to be mean and political on this issue. She is well aware that that is not the problem for the Minister for Education.

That is not true.

She is playing for time. She is aware of the position with regard to the quantity surveyor, which is a major precedent for the country. She is being petty and mean about it and it is not in the interests of Cashel to be purely political about this. I am sorry to see the Deputy like that. Somebody who comes from the same area should understand the position.

That is not true.

In 1970 the solution was possible. The Deputy was still going to school in Cashel then.

I was going to school then.

I proposed the solution then and neither the Deputy nor her parents would accept it.

In fairness, the Minister for Education is doing something that is vital to make sure that we will not be bled by consultants in this country any more. It is vital for the educational system to make sure that the money is put into education and not paid to consultants.

I agree with that but Cashel cannot pay for it.

I am glad of the opportunity to put the record straight in relation to this particular project. Deputy Ahearn said she accepts that this is not of the Minister's making. I think it is important that that is repeated here tonight. This is not of the Minister's making. Having said that, I must say that I was a bit surprised at some of the Deputy's language. She knows exactly what the situation is.

The position regarding the new community school for Cashel is that the tendering for the project has been interrupted, as Deputy Ahearn probably knows, because of a difficulty encountered by the developers asked to tender in obtaining the use of a bill of quantities prepared for the project by a consultant quantity surveyor. My Department have been engaged in discussions with the quantity surveyor and the Construction Industry Federation, which represent the developers concerned, in an effort to get them to come to an arrangement that will satisfy both sides and resolve the difficulty. As a result of these discussions a draft agreement has been submitted by the quantity surveyor and is currently being considered.

As Deputy Ahearn said, a number of legal issues have arisen out of these matters and these are being examined by the Department's legal advisers at present. Again, I repeat that the Minister cannot be held to blame for this situation.

In the circumstances that I have outlined, I am not in a position at present to indicate what course of action will be taken to proceed with this project. However, I am extremely concerned to ensure that the problem is resolved as quickly as possible and I can assure the House that every effort will be made to find a solution as a matter of urgency.

Disappointing. You do not want it.

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