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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 29 Feb 1996

Vol. 462 No. 4

Adjournment Debate. - Maam (Galway) Garda Station.

Tá áthas orm go bhfuil an deis seo agam an cheist seo a ardú leis an Aire agus ba mhaith liom buíochas a ghlacadh leis an Aire as ucht teacht isteach agus éisteacht liom tráthnóna.

In 1991, long before the Deputy was Minister for Justice, a proposal was put by the people in the Maam Valley, Connemara, to the Office of Public Works and the Department of Justice which had much merit. A large old Garda barracks is situated in the Maam Valley with one resident garda. For security purposes there is no need for this big building. The proposal submitted was that the Garda barracks should be transferred to the local community for use as a community centre and in return the local people would provide, free of charge, to the Department's specification, a brand new Garda barracks.

We have all heard of Aladdin's lamp and old lamps for new. What was being offered was a purpose-built dwelling that would be suited to modern requirements in the Maam Valley. In return it was hoped that the Garda barracks, which is an old large building, could be made available to the community.

We hear much about communities helping themselves in self-help projects. It could be fairly said that this proposal was innovative and positive. In 1996 we are no nearer to getting a decision on the proposal than in 1991.

In 1991 a letter was received from the Office of Public Works stating that the matter was being investigated. In February 1995, in reply to a question raised, the response was that the options open to us have not been fully examined. With issues like this somebody has to ensure that the buck passing stops. If it cannot be done the community should be told. It would be more honest than continually saying that issues are being examined. If it can be done it should be done now. By any standard, four years should have been enough time in which to evaluate the merits of this simple and positive proposal.

A question that arises is whether in the event of a transfer of State property it would have to go to public auction. In view of the fact that a local community is involved, could some arrangement be made whereby the property would be valued and transferred in that way? The local community has also raised questions regarding the condition of the property but they could all be overcome. If the property was transferred to them in return for their building brand new alternative accommodation a clause could be inserted in the deeds providing, in the event of the property ever being transferred to private ownership, any proceeds arising from that transfer would be indexed and any surplus created would be transferred to the Department. That is not the intention; the intention is to use it in perpetuity for community purposes. I do not think anybody would quibble with conditions that would protect the public interest.

Public ownership is not only State ownership. We have to recognise other forms of public ownership such as community ownership and to draw up proper deeds of trust that would ensure that items would be truly in public ownership and would not be exploited for private personal gain. Those matters could be overcome. I ask the Minister to ensure that a deadline is given in the near future — if it cannot be given today — for a firm decision on this original and reasonable proposal.

This is a community which has suffered a huge population decrease. There has been good economic development in the general area, although Maam has not gained to the extent we would have wished. However, this is a genuine effort by a community to lift itself. I am sure the Minister more than appreciates what is involved as my colleague, Deputy McCormack, has beaten a trail to the same doors on this issue. We are ad idem as to the merit of the proposal and I hope the Minister will in some way facilitate the community.

I thank the Deputy for raising this issue. I am sympathetic to applications involving public buildings, which were essentially paid for with taxpayers money. Where possible, they should be utilised by local bodies. This is not the first time a project has been proposed for an old Garda station or courthouse. These are popular buildings which local communities would like to convert into heritage or community centres. They are often the only public buildings in an area. Communities may only have access to either that building, a hotel or a school and I imagine the Garda station is a focal point in this area. I will fill the Deputy in on the background to this matter which has been going on for a number of years. I wonder if the Deputy raised this issue when his party was in Government and the Minister for Justice was from Galway and whether he was not able to move the application on a little. It would be ironic if a non-Galway Minister was in a position to bring the matter to finality.

The Garda station in Maam is too large for foreseeable Garda requirements. It is in a poor state of repair and would require considerable investment to make it habitable. The main value of the property lies in its superb location. It is proposed to replace it as part of the Garda building programme with a new basic unit station on the existing site. This is the recommendation of the Office of Public Works and it has been approved by Garda management. The Office of Public Works is currently drawing up plans for the new station.

Coiste Forbartha An Mhama has written to the Office of Public Works stating that it wishes to purchase and convert the old Garda station for community use. It is anxious to know if the building will be made available to it and the likely timeframe for same. However, the exiting Garda station building cannot be made available until the new one is built and occupied by the Garda. Once the old Garda station has been vacated it will be a matter for the Office of Public Works to dispose of the building.

In that regard, I have been advised that when the existing premises are no longer needed as a Garda station, the normal procedure, provided the property is surplus to State requirements, is to sell it on the open market. The document entitled, "Public Procurement", provides that the disposal of State property should be dealt with by competitive tendering or by auction.

It should be appreciated that what is being proposed by Coiste Forbartha An Mhama would involve a departure from the normal tendering procedure for disposal of State property. In the circumstances any agreement that might be reached with it for acquisition other than through tender or auction would have to receive the special sanction of the Minister for Finance who has a responsibility for ensuring that the procurement procedures are complied with.

The normal timeframe for building the new station as part of the Garda building programme, taking into consideration overall priorities and the availability of finance, is three to four years from now. This timeframe reflects the fact that other stations are in greater need of replacement and so have a higher priority. On a general note, I remind the House that I have allocated over £8.5 million this year for the building and maintenance of Garda stations. More than a dozen major projects will commence this year and many other smaller projects.

I understand the Minister of State, Deputy Coveney has agreed to meet Coiste Forbartha an Mhama about acquisition of the existing station. I have no doubt the Minister will be as sympathetic as possible — I will tell him of my sympathy — to the worthy aims of Coiste Forbartha an Mhama. Perhaps an arrangement could be worked out, with the sanction of the Minister for Finance which would not only see the Coiste Forbartha an Mhama succeeding with its aims quickly, but also the new station, which is also important, being built in advance of the current timeframe. Provided the local needs of the Garda Síochána are fully satisfied as quickly as possible, the Coiste will have my goodwill.

Deputy Séamus Brennan was selected to raise a matter on the Adjournment. However, I understand the Deputy is unavoidably absent and wishes to extend his apologies to the House and to the Minister and Department concerned,

The Dáil adjourned at 5.15 p.m. until 2.30 p.m. on Tuesday, 5 March 1996.

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