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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 16 Oct 1996

Vol. 470 No. 2

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Social Welfare Benefits.

Joe Walsh

Question:

43 Mr. J. Walsh asked the Minister for Social Welfare the number of applications made nationally under the scheme of community support for older people advertised in May 1996; the number of such applications which were approved; the average number of persons covered by the group applications; the average age of applicants; the late applications, if any, which were received; the recourse, if any, available to such applicants; and the plans, if any, he has to follow up this scheme with any other scheme to help our vulnerable older population. [18565/96]

One of the recommendations of the Special Task Force on Security for the Elderly was that my Department introduce a once-off £2 million grant scheme to provide grant-aid to voluntary organisations in relation to security initiatives for the elderly. That recommendation was accepted. Subsequently, I established a National Advisory Committee, on which the National Council for the Elderly, the Irish Association of Victim Support, the Reach Out Campaign, Muintir na Tíre, the Irish Country Women's Association and the Garda Síochána — Neighbourhood Watch — are represented, to advise on a suitable scheme that would ensure that the available funds are targeted on the most vulnerable older people and the best possible value for money is achieved. The scheme is being operated on a once off basis.

On the basis of the advice of this advisory committee and taking into account the amount of money available and the cost of security equipment, I decided funding could be provided for small-scale physical security equipment such as strengthening of doors and windows, window locks, door chains and locks and security lighting; and socially monitored alarm systems.

The scheme, entitled a scheme of community support for older people was advertised on Wednesday, 29 May 1996 in the national newspapers. The scheme is open to any voluntary or community-based organisation working with or providing support for vulnerable older people. Information on the scheme was disseminated through my Department, that is headquarters, regional and local offices and through the networks of the various organisations represented on the National Advisory Committee.

The deadline for receipt of applications was 28 June 1996. This was to allow time for my Department to assess all applications and to ensure that those most at risk benefit from the available funds before the onset of the winter months. The scheme is being administered in each of my Department's regions with the aid of a regional advisory committee which mirrors the composition of the national advisory committee.

A total of 425 applications have been received from voluntary organisations catering for approximately 11,103 individuals. These include late applications. To date, 297 groups have been approved for funding catering for approximately 6,263 individuals aged 65 years and upwards. Applications received after the formal closing date were and are still being considered, in the light of resources still available under the scheme. It is expected all the available funds will be spent very shortly. It is proposed that the scheme will be evaluated by the national and regional advisory committee to assess its effectiveness in meeting the objectives of the scheme towards the end of the year.

I am pleased to inform the House that my colleague, the Minister for Justice, and I will launch a campaign next week to provide elderly people with specific information and advice on how to improve personal security both inside and outside their homes. This will involve a mailshot to 320,000 pensioners and is being co-ordinated by the Departments of Justice and Social Welfare. The mailshot will include a letter signed by both Ministers and a number of relevant information leaflets etc. on security issues for older people.

I am glad that with this scheme there is co-ordination between the Departments of Justice and Social Welfare. Has the Minister plans to make this scheme open-ended and specifically to extend it to include individuals — it is available to communities and voluntary organisations who do an excellent job in this area — who wish to apply for a security or alarm system?

The scheme was constructed on the basis of discussion and consultation with voluntary organisations. I remind the Deputy the task force was established on my initiative. The report was available from the task force and a decision was made by Government on establishing the scheme within a matter of weeks, which is unique in terms of the way task forces operate. It is a matter of some pride on my part and on the part of the Minister of State, Deputy Durkan, that we co-operated and co-ordinated our work with many voluntary organisations and other Departments in this area.

The scheme will be evaluated towards the end of the year by the national co-ordinating committee and the regional co-ordinating committees on which my Department and other agencies, including voluntary organisations, are represented. Their proposals and suggestions on how we can further help the elderly to feel secure and safe in their own homes and communities will be considered by me.

While the task force did an admirable job in an expeditious manner earlier this year, it still took the Minister until 30 May to issue a press release. The unfortunate voluntary organisations had less than three weeks in which to complete and return the forms. Following the exertion of pressure they were given additional time to submit late applications but that was not the way to operate the scheme.

The thugs who viciously attack and beat up elderly people — regrettably, this happened again in Wicklow last week — are looking for money. Will the Minister agree that it is penal to apply a notional rate of 10 per cent to the small deposit accounts held by pensioners? It is five times the rate of return on any normal small deposit account. Does he have any plans to reduce this figure to the prevailing rate?

This was an entirely new scheme. It was a very good response to the concerns expressed earlier this year following a series of attacks on elderly people. I congratulate all those who participated in the task force on the work they put into it. While a closing date was set in terms of advertisements, no application submitted after that date has been refused. Applications are still being considered.

The Deputy mentioned that the thugs who attack elderly people are seeking money and raised the matter of the application of a certain notional interest rate to savings and capital held by those applying for non-contributory pensions. That is the subject of a specific question on the Order Paper and I propose to deal with it when we reach that question.

As the Minister and Minister of State will be aware, I submitted a comprehensive scheme to the task force based on my knowledge of rural communities, the essential part of which was that the person in danger should first alert one or two neighbours using a simple press button system. Without casting any reflection on the Garda Síochána, if such a system was introduced the neighbours of the person concerned would be able, at the very least, to give a description of the vehicle used and perhaps to take action. Will the Minister put this point to the task force when it comes to review the scheme?

Funding can be provided to assist voluntary groups in providing small-scale security equipment such as the strengthening of doors, windows, window locks, door chains and locks, security lighting and socially monitored alarm systems. A few weeks ago I had the pleasure of formally launching such a system in Wexford. It is a national system under which people in any part of the country can key in numbers in a unit in their home, including a personal device which they can hang around their neck, to alert a neighbour, the Garda Síochána, the health authorities or whomever they choose. The funding available from my Department can be used to acquire such a system.

One or two neighbours with access to a phone who know the terrain and are aware of the difficulties should first be alerted when there is a problem, using a simple press button system. They would be in a position to observe, perhaps furtively without having to take any action themselves, to gain information which would be of value to the Garda Síochána in pursuing the van or car used. That is the key to solving the problem in rural areas.

When I was in Wexford I met an elderly woman who lives on her own and has had the system to which I referred installed. She explained that one night there was a power failure. A neighbour who had a key was immediately alerted and called to her house to check that she was safe. When they discovered that she was still asleep in bed they did not disturb her and went home. When they told her the following morning what had occurred she was reassured that this could happen while she was fast asleep. I agree with the Deputy that no matter what technology is used, unless there is someone who can respond, preferably a neighbour, the system will not be effective.

How much does the apparatus cost?

I do not have that information but the £2 million we have provided has enabled voluntary organisations to install a significant number of these devices.

Are the devices installed by the Department in old people's houses?

No. Voluntary organisations which know of people in their area who require security will apply to the Department for a grant to provide the security that is needed. It is a matter for the voluntary organisation making the application to identify the needs of the person concerned. The Department can provide up to 90 per cent of the cost of the project.

Without it being capped?

Can Community Watch make an application for funding?

Any local organisation can apply.

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