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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 9 Jul 1997

Vol. 480 No. 2

Adjournment Debate. - Sacking of Midland Health Board Members.

I congratulate you, a Leas-Cheann Comhairle, on your appointment. You have been a Member of this House for a long time and the honour is well deserved. I also wish the Minister for Health and Children, Deputy Cowen, every success in his new position.

To be appointed Minister for Health with special responsibility for children is a great honour, but it also confers responsibility to work with people of different views and ideas. The Minister for Health must be able to take on board divergent views to help him and his officials in the formulation of policy. This approach needs to be extended to each of the eight health boards so that management and staff can benefit from these ideas and views, whether medical, social, legal or political. Irrespective of whether the Minister agrees with the views expressed, he has a duty to listen and assess them.

I had hoped the Minister would be generous. Regrettably, his actions have shown him to be covetous rather than generous since taking office. His actions in rescinding the appointments made by his predecessor, Deputy Noonan, to the eight health boards indicate that he wishes to stifle debate at health board level. The Minister's party, Fianna Fáil, has a majority on many of the health boards and the Minister intends, by hook or by crook, to retain that majority. He wants to use these majorities to push through policies and ideas and to have as little critical analysis or opposition as possible. This aproach is unwise and will be seen to be so in a short time.

The Minister's action in sacking Councillors Gallagher, Aird and Dollard from the Midland Health Board shows a negative and provocative approach by him to politics. I would have expected his approach to be one of goodwill rather than confrontation. I know he will state that Deputy Noonan made these appointments to the health boards before they became vacant on 1 July. However, the Minister is aware of precedents.

Not in the health boards.

That is not the situation in the Midland Health Board area. At a Midland Health Board meeting on 19 June, Deputy Moloney formally resigned as the Laois County Council representative. At the same health board meeting, Councillor Marty Rohan resigned from the board as a ministerial nominee and was then nominated to the board as the representative for Laois County Council. As there was a vacancy for a ministerial nominee to the Midland Health Board, why did the Minister sack the three councillors who were nominated, all of whom were workers with proven records? He replaced Councillor Aird with Deputy Moloney and Councillor Dollard with Councillor Keegan.

There is a lot of work to be done in the health care area in Offaly and Councillor Gallagher would have been able to speak about many of these health issues. Regrettably, he has now been silenced and will not be able to make a contribution at the meetings of the Midland Health Board.

This is a political not a legal matter and the courts are not the place to solve such issues. I recognise that people have the right to go to court if they wish. Many appointments are made before vacancies arise. This allows continuity. Teaching appointments, for example, are made long before the person resigns. The Minister will be aware that when the last Government came into office there was a vacancy for a Commissioner and it had been mentioned that the previous Government was appointing a former Member of this House. The incoming Government could have changed that but it would not have been fair or right. One must be magnanimous and generous in politics. I hope the Minister will have learned from this mistake and that at the end of his period in office, he will be seen to have been magnanimous and generous. I regret saying that the Minister made a genuine blunder. Such an approach is not good for politics.

I am glad the Deputy has raised this matter so I can put some facts on the record. This issue has been discussed on local radio and a selective view of history has been put forward by Opposition politicians. Deputy Enright will know from my record in this House, locally and nationally, that to suggest I have not been magnanimous on a range of occasions is to do an injustice to my record. I will let the record stand and I will refer to the minutes of Offaly County Council and any other local authority body in which I have worked with Deputy Enright or others.

I should like to start by expressly rejecting the contention that my actions in rescinding the purported appointments of the councillors named in any way amounted to, or could be construed as, "sacking" the individuals concerned. In my view, the appointments purported to have been made by my predecessor were not valid and I had, therefore, no option but to act to regularise the situation.

For the information of the House, I should like to explain clearly the situation in regard to appointments to boards by the Minister for Health. In total, there are 40 boards under the aegis of the Department of Health. The Minister for Health has the power under the relevant legislation to nominate members to 39 of these, including the eight health boards.

Normal procedure is that, when a vacancy has arisen on a board, the Minister makes an appointment to the board following consultation with interested parties and having regard to statutory constraints and factors, such as gender balance and the need to ensure the inclusion on the board of as wide a variety of appropriate interests as possible.

In the weeks from 1 May to 26 June 1997, prior to leaving office, my predecessor, Deputy Noonan, made two series of appointments. In the first case he made 43 appointments to nine boards under his aegis where vacancies already existed. These appointments have consequently been validly made and I have no intention of challenging any of them.

However, the purported appointments to which Deputy Enright refers which the Minister made to the eight regional health boards for vacancies which had not yet arisen at the time of the appointment are in a different category, and I challenge Deputy Enright to find any precedent since 1970 under the Health Acts for this attempt by the Minister to make such purported appointments. That which the former Minister did, and not that which I have done, is unprecedented. The former Minister attempted to fill a vacancy when one did not exist during his tenure.

I take the point Deputy Enright makes that, had those vacancies arisen on 25 or 26 June, on the last day of leaving office, I could not and would not challenge those appointments, but I will challenge on a matter of principle any attempt by a Minister to make appointments when vacancies do not exist while he is Minister. That is the reason for the present situation.

I would remind Deputy Enright that I put the former Minister on notice on 11 June by way of a statement suggesting that were he to purport to make such appointments he would leave me with no option but to rescind. That was before any individual was mentioned by the then Minister Noonan for such a purported appointment. The suggestion by Deputy Enright's colleagues — and not by the Deputy, in fairness — that I acted vindictively is given the lie by the fact that I put the former Minister on notice of what I intended to do should he proceed on the road on which he was about to embark. There is no question of any personal vindictiveness on my part and I reject that comment with contempt from whatever quarter it has come because the facts belie that. That did not happen because I said what I would do before any name was mentioned in relation to these purported appointments.

When I became aware that my predecessor might purport to make such appointments, I made that clear. I advised him on 11 June not to proceed with such appointments to the health boards and it was reported in the national media the following day. I also said at the time that it would be unconscionable for the then Minister to even contemplate actions on appointments which did not fall vacant until 1 July. I added that it would be a demeaning exercise for the purported appointees themselves as they would not subsequently be able to stay in office. Deputy Noonan was therefore aware that the purported appointments would be immediately challenged by me.

However, I regret to say he ignored my advice and made a total of 24 purported appointments, three to each health board, including the three appointments to the Midland Health Board cited by Deputy Enright. On taking office, far from acting arbitrarily or covetously, as has been contended, I obtained the benefit of legal advice from the Office of the Attorney General and in the light of this advice I concluded that the appointments were invalid. In the circumstances, I felt it was inappropriate and unsatisfactory to allow the situation to continue. I had no option but to regularise the situation, otherwise the boards would have been improperly constituted and as such their actions might have been open to challenge subsequently.

In the light of the advice I received I wrote, before the date of their purported appointments, individually to all 24 persons concerned, including the three councillors mentioned by Deputy Enright, rescinding their purported appointments. I explained in my letters to each of the individuals my reasons for taking this action. I also expressed my regret that this situation had arisen through circumstances beyond either my or their control and I assured them that my action did not in any way reflect on them, or my appreciation of their good standing. Any suggestion to the contrary by any politician in my area is not true, the facts speak for themselves.

Could the Minister not have been generous and appointed them?

I will answer that question in a moment. Deputy Enright has insinuated that I have behaved in a dictatorial fashion. My actions were proper and correct in regularising a situation created by my predecessor. It was my predecessor's actions that were dictatorial, not mine. I have since appointed members to five of the health boards and will make the balance of appointments soon.

Regarding the appointments I have made to the Midland Health Board, I have appointed Seán Keegan, James Coyle and John Moloney to membership of the board for the period from 1 July 1997 to 30 June 2002. I am sure they will make a valuable and substantial contribution to the work of the board. They will be responsible for issues throughout the health board area, not just County Offaly. The appointment of board members is not a matter for parochialism. The wider picture must be considered, and people in the whole health board area are entitled to full representation. The criticism that I have not appointed an Offaly person to the board is a vote of no confidence in the four Offaly people who are currently on the board, including Deputy Enright's colleague Councillor Michael Fox, who has made an excellent contribution along with Councillors Moylan and Feighery and Deputy Flanagan.

They could have done with more rather than less help.

The wider picture must be considered. I believe these members will be supportive of my policies and the policies of this Government, which is why they have been appointed. I ask Deputy Enright to check the records of members of his party who were Ministers for Health. They did not appoint Fianna Fáil members as political appointees, not because they were not generous but for the valid reason that it would be naive of a Minister to appoint people who did not support his policies as they are appointed by him for that purpose. Deputy Enright has experience of this House since 1969 and he knows that to be the case. That argument falls by the wayside also.

Let us have fairness on all sides. I acted within my rights. I did not seek confrontation; I suggest that my silence locally on this issue in the last two weeks has been an attempt to bring some dignity to the matter. Many undignified comments have been made by Opposition politicians who belie the facts and have not been prepared to look at what I faced. I will not allow a selective view of history on the matter. The Minister from Deputy Enright's party sought to put people on the Midland Health Board when there was no vacancy. Whether it happened during my tenure or another person's time, no Minister for Health worth his salt would have allowed it to stand. I have legal advice to that effect and would not have acted had I not received it. I therefore make no apology. All three persons appointed have long records of excellent service and I am sure they will represent my Department, this Government and the people of the Midland Health Board area excellently.

The Dáil adjourned at 9.25 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Thursday, 10 July 1997.

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