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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 16 Dec 1997

Vol. 485 No. 2

Private Members' Business. - Scientific and Technological Education (Investment) Fund Bill, 1997 [ Seanad ]: Second Stage.

I move: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time. " Is mór an onóir dom an mBille seo a chur faoi bráid an Dhála. We live in the age of technology. Advances in science and technology since the 1960s and particularly over the past ten years have taken place with bewildering speed. Technology has impacted on all our lives. We see the benefits of technological change in the home, the workplace and in every aspect of life.

The rapidity of that change poses significant challenges to our society. In an era when information and skills are of paramount importance to individuals' life chances, we must guard against the risk of creating a two tier society. It is essential that we ensure that no sector of our society is left behind. The opportunity to learn and benefit from new technology must be available to all, irrespective of factors such as age, socio-economic status or educational background. By ensuring that no inequality results, we not only achieve a more equitable and just society, we also contribute to economic progress, adding to the stock of human capital and increasing the availability of skilled labour.

The sheer speed of technological change also poses great challenges to our economy. In the open markets, most Irish firms are compelled to develop and enhance continuously new and existing products to maintain competitiveness. Increasingly, firms are recognising the importance of investing in staff training and research and development to secure their continued economic viability. At the same time, industry requires a steady supply of well educated workers who will possess not only the latest skills, but who will have the capacity to learn and acquire new skills and to adapt to an ever changing environment.

Education's role is central to meeting these challenges. In terms of inclusiveness, it is necessary to extend educational provision to all groups in our society, while simultaneously developing new approaches to education. A number of initiatives have already been announced in this area and work will continue on the development of further initiatives in areas such as second chance education and the elimination of educational disadvantage.

The education system plays a central role in economic development. The performance of the economy in recent years has been outstanding and the phenomenal rate of economic growth and job creation, allied to low inflation and interest rates, has made us the envy of Europe. Increasingly, it is recognised that recent successes are due principally to the availability of a highly skilled and adaptable labour force. However, continued economic success will be contingent on ensuring that our education system retains the capacity to keep pace with and adapt to the changing needs of industry.

The Tierney report on science, technology and innovation lent its weight to the many voices highlighting the need for greater investment in university equipment, for more money to be spent on research, for producing more graduates in science, technology and engineering and for creating a better awareness of our national system of innovation and the key players in it. The Government accepted the thrust of these arguments in the White Paper and is delivering on them. The new investment fund is a powerful example of this.

The information society report is another of the drivers in this process. Earlier this year, the Government appointed an Information Society Commission to oversee developments relating to the implementation of the report. To highlight its critical importance, responsibility for the initiative has been transferred to the Department of the Taoiseach and a national director has been appointed. Action is happening on a broad front in relation to the thematic areas identified in the report. Specifically in relation to learning, the provision in the new fund for computers in schools is a major boost to the various learning initiatives already under way.

Just as on the learning front, we must address curricula, teacher training and technology deployment. Enterprise must also adapt and use the new technologies and participate fully in key growth markets of the information society. Strategically this means the adoption and use of information communication technologies by enterprise, getting a leadership position in certain sectors of the industry, developing a strong, indigenous software industry and maximising the job creation potential of the information society. The bottom line is that we cannot move fast enough in bringing all facets of our society up to speed where they can participate fully in, and enjoy the benefits of, the information society.

We are experiencing a rapid and dramatic transformation in the shape of our society and of its underlying economic base. The nature of production, trade, employment and work in the coming years will be profoundly different from those that exist today. Similarly, the determinants of economic success will be different from those that prevailed in the past. However, the basic economic objectives remain the same — the achievement of enhanced living standards and the opportunity to participate fully in the economic life of our country. The effects on economic change are already spilling over into our daily lives, whether it is in relation to smart cards and ATM machines or telecommuting, where people can now work from the comfort of their homes. As Mark Twain would have said: "the fiction is fast being driven out of science fiction".

This debate affords me the opportunity to address some of the issues relevant to the role of science, technology and innovation in the continuing development of Ireland's national economy. Whereas in the past there was criticism that the importance of science, technology and innovation to Ireland's future development was not fully appreciated at the highest levels of policy making, we can now say with confidence that the scales are clearly shifting. This change is being driven by a number of factors from the awareness which the White Papers on science, technology and innovation and on education created, to the huge rise in the level of research and development being carried out by Irish companies over the past seven years, to our success in attracting inward investment in the electronics and software areas, with the skill demands which that unleashes, through to the fact that this Government is prepared to acknowledge all these trends and to act accordingly.

The Government's response is a comprehensive one focusing on particular challenges or targeting other areas for broader treatment. This is all in the context of a confident business environment, which is good for sustained economic progress and for the social partners, employers, workers and farmers.

Specifically, we have seen the first ever science week, the launch of the £250 million science and technology capital investment fund, the relaunch of the Measure 1 in-company research and development scheme, the launch of a number of technology centres in Regional Technical Colleges, the launch of the Institute of Technology Management at the National University of Ireland in Dublin and the upcoming arrangements for the reorganisation of the programmes in advanced technology. Only two weeks ago we had an Israeli delegation here in Dublin for discussions on a bilateral research and development understanding to promote co-operative projects in market driven areas, which will lead to solid commercial results. As the Israelis made clear, they are not interested in agreements for the sake of agreements, but for the results that will flow from their successful working.

The science week may seem trivial in the context of the other science and technology developments of the past few months. Yet, in its own way, it is contributing to getting the broad message across to the widest possible audience — school children, parents, teachers, the public, civil and public servants, researchers, industrialists and politicians. It was heartening to see the overflow queues at the special fun day events, not to mention the other range of specialist events that filled the calendar for that week. Next year we hope to go one better and all sides have a part to play in this. I hope that universities and industrial representative associations will consciously schedule events to coincide with next year's science week.

The major development of this past year was the Government's announcement of the £250 million science and technology capital investment fund. There were a number of drivers in this process from the information society report, to the STIAC report and the development skills shortages in certain key inward investment areas. The skills shortage in certain areas, which is a reflection of our success in attracting inward investment and promoting indigenous company development, is a major driver in focusing all our attentions. This demonstrates the huge interdependence and interplay between science, technology and innovation, or between the creation of knowledge and the fruitful application and exploitation of knowledge.

One of the first acts of this Government was to make a £5 million capital investment for the creation of additional places this autumn in software courses at degree and technician level. We recognised that a more substantive response was necessary and that a comprehensive and co-ordinated plan was required to meet the full range of emerging skill needs. These needs are clear in certain areas and less clear in others. We need better arrangements to anticipate and respond to emerging demands and skills shortages at technician, graduate and higher levels.

As our economy continues to grow and strengthen and unemployment levels continue to fall, there will be a propensity for skills shortages to develop in any sector and all concerned must plan for this. It is not just a high-tech phenomenon; shortages can manifest themselves anywhere. We see them in the leisure and tourism sector already. There must be a partnership approach in addressing these. The best foundation is a good solid basic education for all with a curriculum which is geared to the needs of a modern economy and which provides a basis for all school leavers to diversify into areas for which they are best suited. The Government must also help with the retraining of workers and with particular emphasis on the unemployed who want to improve their skills. Life-long learning is not just for the out of work.

The Government must also help with the retraining of workers, with particular emphasis on the unemployed who want to improve their skills. Life long learning is not just for the out of work, it must become a way of life for everyone. The pace of technology advance requires that all of us, whether doctors, teachers, car mechanics, civil or public servants or politicians must continue to invest in personnel and personal development. Employers have a huge role to play in ensuring we have a world class technology literate workforce.

As the pace of technology steps up, so will the pace of change. Consequently, the orderly ways of supply and demand in the workplace will change and, therefore, we will have to be flexible and alert in anticipating and detecting change in demand for skills in the future whether for graduates or technicians.

Will the output in future years be determined by 17 year olds filling in their CAO forms in expectation of what they would like to do or by public policy makers who, looking to the implications for the public purse, fail to make adequate distinctions between the cost of one course over another or fail to make adequate provision for the types of skills outputs from our third level system, or will these matters be weighted to take account of changing production methods in industry or foresight studies of emerging technologies, which will be the key to our future industrial competitiveness?

We must take account of these factors and others in trying to get the best fix between supply and demand in meeting the needs of a buoyant economy over the next decades. There are many who will have important contributions to make and many important factors in this equation. All must be able to make an input and must be involved. It is wrong to think that shortages will appear in entirely predictable areas. Already we see shortages in critical software areas, but where are the next shortages developing? There are signs of an impending "tightness" arising in various areas of hardware and it makes little sense to move resources around to address a shortage in one area only by contributing to one in another. A comprehensive approach is called for.

While the new £250 million fund represents a dramatic initiative to address present and future needs, it is important to stress that the fund does not represent a roll up of existing activities, but it will be additional to annual capital allocations and will not replace ongoing investments. We must manage the interface with existing schemes in this area.

The Bill concerns this Government's strategy for ensuring the education system is capable of meeting these challenges. It provides the formal legal basis for the establishment of the scientific and technological education investment fund announced last month. This dedicated fund, which will comprise £250 million over three years, represents a comprehensive, multifaceted approach to the various problems which need to be tackled in the education system. It makes available the necessary capital resources to deal with issues such as overcrowding in third level institutions, the emergence of skills shortages, upgrading of equipment and research and development and increased availability of computers in schools. The Bill has already been considered carefully in the Seanad, where it was warmly received by all sides, and I am pleased to have this opportunity to present it to the Dáil.

I now turn to the main provisions of the Bill. I have specifically referred in its Title to the scientific and technological aspects of education. This serves to emphasise that the new fund will be specifically directed at areas which are critical to economic growth and employment creation. The fund does not purport to concern all aspects of education but is designed to deal with specific issues in the areas of science and technology and a more generic title would involve a loss of focus.

It is also important to stress that this is an investment fund — the funding allocations to be made will represent more than a form of social spending. They will facilitate the modernisation of the education system, prepare it for the challenges posed by technological change and safeguard future economic growth. In this sense, the fund clearly represents an investment in our future.

Section 2 establishes the new fund and sets out two accounts through which it will be operated, an account with the Office of the Paymaster General and a private donations investment account. Private sector business and industry is set to benefit greatly from the existence of the fund. Not alone will it assist in terms of continued supply of skilled labour, it will also concern the upgrading of research and development in educational institutions. As I remarked earlier, research is increasingly being recognised as crucial to economic viability and the support provided in the fund for such activities will ensure industry can continue to develop and enhance products and production methods.

As beneficiaries, industry and the private sector have a responsibility to contribute to the development costs. Over the years, this obligation has not been shirked and I wish to put on record our appreciation of the generosity of private sector donors, particularly in respect of contributions towards the cost of third level buildings. Most of the developments, supported by my Department in the university sector, now involve a substantial private sector input and without such contributions the development of the third level system would be hampered significantly.

This aspect of the fund dovetails with the terms of sections 16 and 25 of the Finance Act, 1997. Section 16 provides for relief on private or corporate donations to certain third level institutions for the purposes of research, acquisition of equipment, infrastructural development and facilities in areas concerning skills shortages, all of which the fund is designed to support. Section 25 provides for tax relief in certain defined circumstances for investment in the provision of new accommodation in third level institutions.

The designation of a separate account for private donors' contributions will reassure contributors that their investments are separate from, and additional to, the State's investment. Furthermore, the Bill provides in section 7 a mechanism for private sector donors who may wish to do so to specify how their contributions to the fund should be spent. Although section 2 states that the Minister for Finance will manage the fund, it is intended that these responsibilities will be delegated by him to the National Treasury Management Agency and the Bill provides for this. The NTMA will ensure funds which have been allocated from the private sector but not yet spent will be invested and that the interest accruing on such investments will be added to the funds available.

At the official launch of the fund on 6 November, the Government gave a commitment that £100 million would be made available in 1998 while the balance of £150 million will be allocated to the fund over the following two years. The revised text of section 3, which will enshrine this commitment into law, incorporates an amendment raised in the Seanad which should remove any lingering doubts concerning the strength of the Government's commitment on this issue.

Section 4 sets out the purposes for which payments may be made from the fund. These are defined as capital expenditure in connection with education and training programmes in areas of skills shortages, scientific or technological research and development including the use of the results of such research for commercial purposes, computers and information technology in schools and other education and training programmes considered appropriate.

The education and training programmes, under the terms of section 4 must be scientific, technological or vocational in orientation. The terminology of the section is necessarily rather broad and is designed to encompass a number of specific objectives which were announced at the launch. It would be helpful to review these objectives in some detail.

First, approximately £60 million will be set aside to combat emerging skills shortages. Much of our economic growth in recent years has been achieved by virtue of the availability of a highly skilled and adaptable labour force. In particular, this fact has enabled us to attract substantial investment from multinational companies and Ireland is now home to many leading hi-tech industry names. However, recent indications have suggested that, to some extent, we risk becoming the victims of our phenomenal success. The threat of potential skills shortages in certain areas has been well documented and the allocation of £60 million will facilitate the necessary provision of additional student places in courses relevant to industry's needs.

Second, similar problems have emerged in the hotel and tourism industry. This sector's importance to the economy has grown substantially in recent years. However, it has not been possible to cope with the rapidly increasing demand for skilled workers, mainly because the principal source of labour, regional technical colleges, were established at a time when tourism played a minor role in the economy. The allocation of £20 million for capital developments in the colleges represents a major boost to an area which in the past received only modest levels of investment.

Earlier, I referred to the importance of promoting inclusiveness in education. Sometimes when the spotlight falls on traditional high profile areas, such as higher education, other sectors may be forgotten. The further education sector, notwithstanding its importance in education into industry, may tend to suffer in this regard. Similarly, the established system of training for apprentices may be neglected despite its well deserved reputation for excellence internationally. A sum of £20 million will be allocated to these headings. This will be used to support the provision of additional apprentice places, many in trades where the boom in the construction industry has resulted in skilled labour shortages.

Ba mhaith liom comhoibriú leis na Teach. Dá bhrí sin, molaim an Bille don Teach.

I wish to share my time with Deputy Perry.

Acting Chairman

Is that agreed? Agreed.

I welcome the Minister of State to the House in his ministerial capacity. This is the first occasion on which he has presented a Bill and I wish him well in his task.

The establishment of a scientific and technological education fund contains the germ of a great idea. However, given the straitjacket put on this Bill, that great idea will wither and die. That is the sad tale we have to tell. A golden opportunity to inject dynamism into our scientific and technological sector will have been lost. The test of this Minister of State, who will take Committee Stage tomorrow, is whether he is willing to break out of the narrow confines of present thinking in the Department and allow the potential of technology to be realised. I will table a series of constructive amendments designed to do that and hope the Minister of State will be willing to take them on board.

Several ingredients are necessary if we are to create a really dynamic technological education fund. The fund must be managed by a strong independent board, bringing together the best minds in business and in education to focus on the task; it should as a key role take a long-term perspective identifying priorities and building strategic strengths for Ireland well into the new millennium and allocations from the fund should be transparent with the best proposals selected in open competition on the basis of objective evaluation. This fund should be available to the best projects, people should be free to apply for it and there would be a fair and equitable test of the quality of the proposal before money is disbursed in that way. The ideas for funding should be welcomed from wherever they come, be it from publicly funded colleges or private colleges.

All moneys in the fund should be invested, pending their allocation to individual projects, and the investment income should build up within the fund. That is a basic ingredient of any fund. There should be an active matching mechanism to leverage private contributions and make it worthwhile for people to come forward so that for every extra pound in private money, there is a mechanism to release additional Exchequer money. That would give real meaning to the invitation to the private sector to contribute. A fund with those ingredients could make a real mark. It would bring forward a coherent planning framework within which the vital need to invest in technology in our education system could be delivered.

Innovation could be supported, strong business education links could be developed and we could look to a future in which our long-term competitive advantage would be built upon the skills and creativity of our people. It would be the key to providing high income jobs for a workforce that aspires to those high income levels and rightly deserves to have them. Has the Minister delivered that framework? Sadly, the answer is a definitive "no".

Given the obvious need to address the agenda of investment in technology, it is disappointing the Minister's proposals fall short of what was hoped for. There is to be no board to manage the fund, all decisions are to remain in the hands of the Minister. Therefore, we will not bring together the best minds in business and in education to help us identify the projects, the key priorities, the strategic areas where Ireland must invest in research to forge the partnerships with the big multi-national computer companies so that our educational institutions can be relevant to their work and their research. That will not happen. It will be run by the Minister in the same way as the Department always ran its capital spending.

There is to be no competition inviting alternative proposals for selection. Nowhere in the Bill is there provision for a competition where people would be invited to put forward their best ideas. No criteria have been published for the selection of projects to be funded and the destination of all the money has already been announced by the Minister of State before any evaluation of the relative merits or proposals are in place. Every single area has had an amount of money allocated. These allocations are firmly fixed in stone or else the Minister will have to apologise, following his promise of £80 million, given that he has discovered those priorities were wrong. There will be no independent evaluation of where priorities lie and there will be no matching mechanism. The Minister adverted to section 16 of the Finance Act, 1997, as a vehicle for matching finance, in that contributions to the fund would be tax allowable. My reading of section 16 is different from that of the Minister. It deals with individual projects and not contributions to a general fund. It has to be an individual project, individually sanctioned by a Minister and only then will it qualify for tax relief. The idea that a donor would contribute £10 million which would be tax allowable is not provided for in the Bill or in section 16 of the Finance Act, 1997. In his reply perhaps the Minister of State will correct me.

It is disappointing that the investment income on the £250 million of taxpayers' contributions will not accrue to the fund. That is one of the hidden provisions in the Bill. However, there is provision to ensure the investment earned by that money will go back into the Exchequer. It is not a fund from the point of view of the public contribution in any meaningful sense. Any interest earned on that money, pending allocation, will go back into the Exchequer.

Ideas from outside publicly funded colleges will not be welcome. It is ironic that while the Government asks the private sector to contribute, it does not provide a list of private sector colleges which would be potential beneficiaries of the fund. No long-term perspective is encompassed by the Bill which provides by law that all Exchequer contributions must terminate within three years.

The establishment of this fund in this form cannot be seen as a serious attempt to introduce a strategic planning framework for investment in this vital area. It will not reach out for innovative thinking but will bankroll the existing pet projects, already lined up by the Minister and his Department. A golden opportunity to develop a dynamic education partnership is being lost. The Minister of State is out of touch if he thinks a single big push to investment in technology education in the next three years will put Ireland on the high road to competitive success. What is needed is sustained strategic planning and investment in this area.

The Minister of State has an opportunity to look afresh at this Bill. We have a really great opportunity to start to bring strategic thinking into how we invest in education and research. This type of thinking has been lacking in the past. The potential is enormous. Many overseas foreign companies invest large sums in research. If we want to be in the next generation of growth we need to invest in research and conduct it in Ireland. The key to that is through our higher education sectors, through the Regional Technical Colleges, the colleges and the universities and the NMRC. That is the key through which we can begin to draw down more of that valuable research investment which gives strength to our industrial sector. This vehicle, if transformed, could be a dynamic fund. It could start to prioritise the areas of research, to dynamically draw in the participation of business in identifying those priorities. The Minister must consider taking on a more radical approach. There is nothing new in this Bill. The higher education authority already has the right to receive gifts. There is nothing new in saying we will receive gifts from the private sector. Under the provisions of the Finance Act not only can third level institutions receive gifts but can have a tax allowance on those gifts. There is no need for a centralised fund to allow colleges to draw down private money. The only source of dynamism that can come from this idea is if the fund becomes the pump primer of new ideas, that is if one invites people to tender and there is a competition to chase the money and generate a knock-on effect.

That will not happen under the procedure envisaged by the Minister of State and his senior colleague. The decisions have been made. A sum of £25 million is to be invested in computers, £60 million in the universities, £80 million in the regional technical colleges and £15 million in research. There is no dynamism. An opportunity is being missed. The Minister of State should think again.

One has only to look at the reports in the Department of Education and Science to appreciate the scale of what is needed in the economy. The steering committee on the information society identified a need for investment of £150 million in computers and £35 million in teacher training. The Government has made a valuable start in investing £25 million in computers and £15 million in training but this falls dramatically short of even half the amount needed.

There is a need for investment in third level places. We know from research that 20,000 extra places will be needed over the next three to four years in the university and Regional Technical College sectors at a cost close to £250 million. There is a need for investment of £50 million in up-to-date technical equipment in the university sector. A similar amount needs to be invested in the Regional Technical College sector. The CIRCA report identified a need for investment of £60 million over the next three years in university research. These objective assessments have identified the need for investment of at least £750 million over the next three to four years. That gives some idea of the scale of the investment needed in this area if we are to play a leading part.

The need for investment will not fall away after three or four years, rather the amount required to be invested will continue to mount. As the Minister of State knows, Ireland will come under increasing pressure from the European Union on the question of direct aid to industry which will have to stand or fall on its competitive ingenuity. That brings us back to the quality and creativity of the people involved. As the pressure mounts rapidly, there will be a need for quality investments in the education system. If the Minister of State and his colleagues think that £250 million is a marvellous sum and will solve our problems, they are sadly mistaken.

There is an urgent need to do what could be done with this fund. This will require fresh thinking and a much more radical approach. The Minister of State may have to go back to his colleague, the Minister for Finance, before bringing forward the kind of Bill that would make a real contribution. If necessary, he should withdraw the Bill and take the time over Christmas to bring forward a proper Bill to take advantage of a huge potential opportunity.

I thank Deputy Bruton for sharing his time with me. The sum of £250 million will bring us to a level that we should have reached many years ago. If Ireland is to surpass other EU countries in terms of IT skills, infrastructure and innovation there is a need to invest more money to produce long-term dividends. Investment in infrastructure is of particular importance to peripheral areas such as the north-west. With the benefit of technology, it is possible for small indigenous companies in rural areas to process information transmitted from places as far away as the United States. New technology can reduce the negative impact of peripherality but only if there is the required investment in infrastructure.

The rate of expansion of the software industry has been significant in recent years. This year approximately 16,000 jobs were created in such firms and up to 2,000 jobs in the previous year. Almost half those employed are based in Irish owned companies.

Telecom Éireann's commitment to provide Internet access and PCs in primary and secondary schools is welcome. It will, however, require significant investment in the medium term to provide adequate IT equipment to the 4,000 secondary schools in the country. It is vital that Telecom Éireann ensures ISDN lines are provided in rural areas to prevent them being left behind in the slow lane of the information superhighway.

There are three third level colleges and two FÁS training centres in the north-west. Historically, the regional technical colleges within the region have been under-utilised. Under the 1993 Act they have more independence. A tool making centre of excellence has been developed successfully in Sligo and a set of material test centres in Letterkenny, among other developments. There is, however, a need for improved links between third level colleges and the business community. The Minister of State should identify practical measures by which third level colleges can assist in the development of the regions. This could include the development of further centres of excellence around which industrial clusters can grow.

It is essential that Sligo Regional Technical College is granted institute of technology status which it has been seeking for some time. The factors which apply in Waterford are replicated in the north-west which has been suffering from the effects of years of neglect.

While this fund will be of benefit, as Deputy Bruton indicated, many key areas have been missed. A large proportion of the fund should be targeted at peripheral areas as opposed to densely populated areas. The figures show that the north-west has not received its fair proportion of the jobs created in IDA assisted companies in recent years and that, in the main, inward investment has been concentrated in certain areas. It is critical that the pool of skilled graduates in the north-west is widened. This will require major investment in the regional technical colleges in the region to correct the imbalance. A proportion of the fund has been reserved for investment in apprenticeship courses. In this context, greater emphasis should be placed on tourism development. The number of places available on catering and management courses should be increased substantially.

Significant investment is required in technology and computing equipment in third level colleges. To allow the north-west to benefit from industrial growth the number of places available in these fields should be increased. Funding should be made available to small companies to conduct inhouse research. In this context, the barriers between third level colleges and companies should be broken down and companies encouraged to commission regional technical colleges to conduct research.

I, too, welcome the fact that Deputy Treacy is back in office and wish him every success in his new position.

This Bill is welcome. The payment into the fund of moneys voted by the Houses, totalling £250 million in the years 1998, 1999 and 2000 to be used for capital expenditure, including equipment, over a range of areas in technological, scientific and vocational education and research, on the face of it, is a means by which capital planning and its implementation can be embarked on with confidence. It also means that funds will not have to be extracted from the annual Estimates campaign as they would appear to be already spoken for.

The provision for payment into the fund of additional resources from private donations is also welcome but it remains to be seen whether it will result in any substantial donations. Perhaps a tax incentive could be introduced for this purpose in the forthcoming Finance Bill.

However, I seek quite an amount of clarification from the Minister when replying. First, I note a reduction of 12 per cent in the Estimate for third level and further education for 1998 as against the forecasted 1997 outcome, entailing a reduction from £601.801 million to £531.072 million, a net decrease of £70.729 million for the entire sector in 1997. Such a reduction in excess of £70 million begs the question: where is this money going?

For instance, building grants and capital costs of regional technical colleges, institutes of technology and certain vocational colleges have been reduced by 20 per cent from the forecasted outcome for 1997 of £31.3 million to £25.07 million in the 1998 Estimates, representing a reduction of £6.23 million.

Furthermore, the grant to An tÚdarás um Árdoideachas for building grants and capital costs for universities and colleges and designated institutions of higher education — grant-in-aid — has been reduced by 16 per cent from the forecasted outcome for 1997 of £19.35 million to £16.315 million in the 1998 Estimates, representing a reduction of £3.035 million. This means that a total of £9.265 million has been deducted from those two subheads.

In his remarks in the Seanad the Minister alluded to need for crafts in the hotel and tourism industry. He went on to state that he proposed an additional £20 million be set aside from the Scientific and Technological Education (Investment) Fund to support capital investment in the various regional technical colleges, the Dublin Institute of Technology and the tourism college in Killybegs but did not include the Waterford Institute of Technology. I want him to reassure the House that this omission implies no sinister message for Waterford.

I also want the Minister to confirm whether the £20 million being provided under this Bill represents the recycling of Structural Funds previously allocated for other purposes. For example, there is a £70.729 million shortfall in the general Estimate for third level and further education. If it is the case that the £20 million consists of recycled Structural Funds, then where is the additional funding for that sector?

The capital programme is impressive and worthwhile. However, one must ask from where will the attendant revenue emanate? That leads me to repeat my previous question whether this is, in fact, additional capital funding. Will the Minister assure the House that the additional requisite funding will be provided?

The Labour Party has tabled various amendments to the Bill for consideration by the Select Committee, the first being to its long title, seeking to clarify whether the moneys allocated to the Scientific and Technological Education (Investment) Fund represents an additional financial resource. My party has tabled a drafting amendment seeking to establish the reason for the word "Investment" needing to appear in brackets in the title of the fund since they appear superfluous. Another Labour Party drafting amendment seeks to remove any possible ambiguity in the use of the words "the Minister".

In addition, my party seeks a more prominent role for the Higher Education Authority in relation to the funding of institutions falling within its remit. Bearing in mind its functions under the terms of the Higher Education Authority Act, 1971, it appears that its role under this Bill will be reduced to one of consultation with the Minister rather than the development of third level education to meet community needs and an advisory role in relation to all third level education.

The Minister should not seek to undermine in any way the Higher Education Authority in the discharge of its responsibilities. I want him to explain in detail how the selection of specific projects under the provisions of this Bill will take place and how he will ensure equity and balance as between institutions and regions. For example, does he intend applying any specific yardstick for this purpose?

I contend that section 6(b)(i) to (vi) are superfluous as the necessary provision is contained in section 6(b)(vii). Therefore, my party seeks to have section 6(b)(i) to (vi) deleted to tidy up its drafting. I might remind the House that section 6 states:

The Minister shall, before he or she exercises his or her powers under section 4 in any particular case—

(a) consult with the Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment, and

(b) if he or she considers it appropriate to do so, also consult with—

followed by a list of Ministers. Subparagraph (viii) states:

such other Ministers of the Government or other persons as the Minister considers appropriate.

I believe the final subparagraph is appropriate and that the total list of Ministers is not of any real benefit to the Bill.

Another Labour Party amendment seeks to ensure that all forms of property are included in regard to the acceptance of gifts. Our reading of the Bill, as currently drafted, is that gifts other than cash must be sold and their proceeds invested in the fund and that there is no provision for the use of a gift of land or other property for the purposes specified in the Bill.

We also seek that, in the 1998 report, the Minister identify funding allocated for corresponding purposes in 1997 and shall indicate how much of that funding represents a continuation of the existing allocation.

I thank Deputy O'Shea for generously sharing his time with me and the Minister of State for agreeing to shorten his response.

This is an enormously important Bill, not least because of the very welcome allocation of £250 million toward scientific and technological education, providing a mechanism whereby private funding can be made available for investment in scientific and technological education but also because it deals with a subject so crucial to the development of our people's education, our economy and society in general as we approach the new century.

I wonder why such an important Bill on such a critically important topic is introduced in this House at a late hour, in the last sitting week before Christmas, for a hurried Second Stage consideration, with less than 24 hours before its consideration in Committee and a short interval thereafter before being considered on Report Stage. The urgency to get the 1998 allocation of moneys into the 1997 accounts — which is what appears to be behind the rush to have this Bill passed before Christmas — is not acceptable and should not take precedence over a more considered approach.

I happen to agree with many of the comments of Deputies Richard Bruton and O'Shea that many clauses in the Bill need time to be ironed out. For example, the Bill purports to make a contribution to tackling a significant current problem, that of skilled shortages in the information technology sector, broadly defined. However, as it stands, it will regrettably make very little contribution to this problem or to the equalisation of opportunity in respect of the available jobs and career opportunities that now exist in the IT sector; the Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment admitted as much during Question Time on 9 December 1997. My colleague, Deputy Rabbitte, asked her if she agreed that the welcome moneys provided by the Government through the establishment of the funds under discussion here to address the question of skills shortages were targeted almost exclusively towards young educated people and enhancing the number of places for young educated people. She replied:

There is some merit in what Deputy Rabbitte said about the fund, that essentially it will go to people who are better educated. It would be invested at an early stage in first and second level schools to ensure our young people are equipped for skills for the emerging jobs.

However much we need to invest in third level, as the Minister acknowledged, that is not the full picture. More is needed. The Bill should be amended to reflect the wider need for investment in information technology and scientific and technological education.

The short and long titles should be amended to reflect a reference to training, to give an explicit commitment to training and to establish some degree of parity of esteem between training and education. The core provision of the Bill, the substantive measure provided for, is set out in section 4 which deals with disbursement — to whom moneys may be disbursed, the basis for the decision and the purposes of spending to be supported out of the fund. That should be amended to reflect a parity of esteem to training and to the wider education sector outside the third level area.

The provisions in section 4(1)(c)(i) and (ii) should not be included. They allow for disbursement of moneys from the fund for capital expenditures connected with pure research, but also for capital spending related to spending for commercial purposes by colleges. This opens the fund to the role of venture capital and applying it to a purpose that more properly belongs to IDA Ireland type grant aid and assessment. It stretches the phrase "related matters" in the long title beyond its absolute limits.

Section 4(3) deals with the practical business of disbursement. This role is to be vested in the Higher Education Authority. There is some danger in this provision. The main third level colleges will see this fund as their own. The Higher Education Authority is also a third level body largely controlled and directed by the third level interest. The danger is that the colleges individually, wearing one hat, will be applying to the colleges collectively wearing another hat. This is too cosy an arrangement with all the inherent dangers contained in it. Ideally, the question of disbursement and the use of the fund should be vested in an independent body that embraces the colleges but also has a place for the second level area, especially its plc sector, the training sector, industry and the development agencies, particularly Forfás, which has overall responsibility for the working of industrial policy.

The approach of the Bill to the issue of its use is misguided. It is to establish an enormous fund of taxpayers' money and then leave it to the education sector to freely determine its own approach to seeking payments from the fund. However, this is a fund the purpose of which is purportedly, unashamedly and explicitly pragmatic, problem solving, practical and, above all, utilitarian. It is supposed to be about dealing with the specific problem and doing so effectively and expeditiously within a framework that ensures parity of esteem between training and education and equality of opportunity for all young people, regardless of what channel they come through to the world of work.

From this view it would be far more effective to see a framework that puts an explicit duty on the disbursing authorities to establish broad parameters, priorities and a focus for spending from the fund and then inviting education and training providers to bid for the moneys through a market bidding mechanism from the fund. This approach was envisaged by the previous Government but it was thwarted by the colleges. It would appear that they have finally triumphed in respect of this Bill.

The Bill should be amended on the two remaining Stages to reflect a greater degree of parity of esteem than at present between training and education. It should also be amended to ensure that the access to this fund will not be confined to the third level sector and that it reflects the wide range of activity which is taking place, especially in the area of research, technology and information development, much of which is happening outside the pure education sector.

I assure Deputy O'Shea that the Waterford Institute of Technology is included. With regard to Deputy Gilmore's point on the accounts, the £100 million will not be in the 1997 accounts; they will be provided for in the 1998 Estimates. The reason for introducing the framework legislation now is to have it in place for 1998 so that we can have the money voted as early as possible in 1998 and commence to expend money from the fund as soon as possible.

I listened with interest to Deputy Gilmore's other point about not confining this to the third level sector. It will not be. The Deputy may be familiar with the Information Technology 2000 programme, the funds for which will be provided from this fund. Under that programme we aim to have 60,000 multi-media computers in first level schools within the next three years. We also aim to have trained or provided the appropriate training for up to 20,000 teachers. We realise that life does not begin at third level.

I was disappointed that Deputy Richard Bruton rubbished the provision of £250 million for the specific purposes set out in the legislation. On taking office the Government identified certain needs and this money is being provided for those needs. Deputy Bruton's interpretation of section 16 of the Finance Act, 1997, is at variance with mine. I have no doubt that will be dealt with adequately on Committee Stage.

Deputy Bruton mentioned a number of amendments he proposes to introduce on Committee Stage to remove the straitjacket which he considers to be on the fund. I do not wish to preempt debate on the proposed amendments, but if they were to be accepted they would put a straitjacket on the fund where none exists. The legislation has been deliberately framed to give the maximum flexibility. Deputy Bruton's amendments would change the tenor of the legislation and introduce bureaucracy and decisions by quangos, etc.

It may be said that the allocation of £250 million to specific areas such as this is a lot of money when there are so many needs in other sectors of education. The money is being provided in a way which will be over and above the normal provision in the Department's annual Estimates. The money in the fund will not be provided at the expense of other sectors of education.

It is a continual source of amazement that the numbers in the regional technical colleges and the institutes of technology have more than doubled in recent years despite a total lack of commensurate funding. It is a great tribute to the students and the educators in those institutes. It would be an Irish joke to say that funding has kept pace. Despite the needs in the economy over the past several years, an unplanned, unco-ordinated and haphazard approach has been taken.

The educators in those institutes know the needs of the economy. They were loath to turn away bright students who wanted to participate in courses where jobs were becoming available, often in the appropriate region. The attitude adopted was that some funding might be provided this year or the next — it amounted to a latter day Micawberism. That will change as a result of this fund which should be warmly welcomed by Members on all sides of the House.

The aims of the fund are clear. They are to ensure that Ireland can hold its place with the best in the high technology world, that its young population is hi-tech computer literate and that we can provide a workforce with a high level of skills and knowledge to service and develop an industry vital for our economic future. This Bill provides the framework for the expenditure of that fund and I wholeheartedly commend it to the House.

Question put and agreed to.

I understand it is intended to refer the Bill to the Select Committee on Education and Science.

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