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Wednesday, 22 Feb 2023

Vol. 1034 No. 1

Financial Resolution No.3: Value-Added Tax

(1) THAT the rate of value-added tax chargeable on the supply of goods and services provided for by section 46(1)(cb) of, and paragraphs 3(1), 3(3), 7(b) to (e), 8, 11 and 13(3) of Schedule 3 to, the Value-Added Tax Consolidation Act 2010 (No. 31 of 2010), being 9 per cent until 28 February 2023, be extended until 31 August 2023 and that section 46(1)(cb) of that Act be amended accordingly.
(2) THAT this Resolution shall have effect on and from 23 February 2023.
(3) IT is hereby declared that it is expedient in the public interest that this Resolution shall have statutory effect under the provisions of the Provisional Collection of Taxes Act 1927 (No. 7 of 1927).

The first financial resolution provides for an extension of the excise duty reduction to mineral oil tax that the Government initially introduced in March of last year. VAT-inclusive reductions of 21 cent for petrol, 16 cent for auto diesel and 5.4 cent for marked gas oil, MGO, or green diesel, were extended in the Finance Act 2022 and were due to expire on 28 February of this year. The purpose of this current financial resolution is to extend these temporary reductions with effect from 1 March and begin a phased restoration of the full rates from 1 June.

On 1 June, the mineral oil tax rates will increase on a VAT-inclusive basis by 6 cent, 5 cent and 1 cent per litre for each of petrol, diesel and MGO, respectively. On 1 September, the rates will increase by a further 7 cent, 5 cent and 1 cent per litre for each of petrol, diesel and MGO, respectively. Finally, the rates will be fully restored by the balance of 8 cent for petrol, 6 cent for diesel and 3.4 cent for MGO on 31 October 2023. The cost of this measure is estimated at €383 million.

These introductions were first introduced by my predecessor, the former Minister for Finance, Deputy Donohoe, almost a year ago. At that time, we were experiencing impacts of sharp inflation, particularly in energy product prices. This was a global phenomenon, and one which was exacerbated by Russia's invasion of Ukraine. I will reiterate now what was said then: that the spikes in energy prices were driven by market factors, and that the tax system cannot prevent this. The Government provided for these reductions, however, to mitigate the impacts of the price increases that we have witnessed. Though inflationary impacts are slowing, the Government recognises that households and businesses are still facing relatively high energy costs. Balancing the sustainability of public finances with the need to mitigate the impacts of high energy costs, it believes that it is appropriate to extend the excise reductions while beginning the process of a phased restoration of the full rates over the coming months.

These resolutions form part of a new package of measures announced yesterday, totalling almost €1.3 billion. The continuation of these excise measures and the VAT measures which I will outline shortly, in addition to the rest of the package, will assist families and businesses in mitigating the impact of increased energy costs. I might speak to the amendments if I get a chance, but I want to deal with the primary resolutions first and I will revert to the amendments if time permits.

The second financial resolution provides for an extension of the temporary 9% VAT rate for gas and electricity. This measure was first introduced on 1 May 2022, and was due to expire on 28 February this year. The Government recognises that even with some improvements in the global energy markets, households and businesses are continuing to struggle with the cost of living. For that reason, the Government has taken the decision to extend the application of the 9% VAT rate for gas and electricity to 31 October this year to provide ongoing support to those who are high energy prices. The estimated cost of this measure is €115 million. This will add to the substantial support provided by Government to help with the cost of living.

The final financial resolution provides for an extension of the temporary 9% VAT rate for the tourism and hospitality sectors and, indeed, a number of other sectors, including hairdressers, barbers, amusement arcades, theatres, cinemas and so on. This measure was first introduced on 1 November 2020, though, of course, it had existed since 2011 up to the beginning 2019. Following previous extensions, it was due to expire on 28 February this year. The Government recognises the challenging business environment that the tourism and hospitality sectors are currently operating in, as well as the role that these businesses play in driving employment and economic activity across Ireland. For this reason, I will extend the application of the 9% VAT rate for these sectors to 31 August this year. It will revert to the 13.5% rate on 1 September 2023 and there will be no further extensions. The estimated cost of this measure is €300 million. This extension strikes a balance between the cost to the public finances and the provision of support for these sectors. A key consideration on this issue is the fact that while inflation is falling, it is still at a high level and the Government wants to see inflation fall to a much lower level. To allow the rate to go up next week would undoubtedly push up some prices and add to inflation and the pressures that a lot of households are facing at this time.

With regard to the Opposition amendments, amendment No. 5, tabled by Deputy Doherty, seeks a review of the rate of mineral oil tax applied to other heavy oil, MGO, petrol and diesel by June 2023, and a review of mineral oil tax applied to non-propellant uses of kerosene by 31 October 2023. The amendments further seek that the rate of mineral oil tax applied to non-propellant uses of kerosene be reduced to zero until 31 October. The amendments also seek the reduction in the rate of mineral oil tax applied to MGO from €131.47 per 1,000 l to €111.14 per 1,000 l until 1 June 2023. As the Deputy will be aware, mineral oil tax comprises a carbon and non-carbon component. The carbon component is commonly referred to as carbon tax, and the non-carbon component is often referred to as fuel excise or fuel duty. Mineral oil tax rates are subject to review annually as part of the annual budget cycle. As the Deputy will be aware, these reductions were first provided for in March 2022. The rates were kept under review and have subsequently been extended, initially to budget day in October last year and again, until the end of February 2023. The resolutions I have moved will further extend the reductions and provide for a phased restoration of these rates. It is evident that the Government is acutely aware of fuel price impacts and has taken action accordingly over the last year. I do not believe there is any need for a Government to commit to a specific review. The rates are always reviewed in the lead up to the budget.

The Deputy's amendment proposes setting the mineral oil tax rate to zero on kerosene. Mineral oil tax applied to kerosene is comprised of carbon tax alone, as no non-carbon charge applies to kerosene. As the Deputy will be aware, the significant rise in energy prices which we have seen in the last year is attributed to external global market factors. The long-term carbon tax policy, which received cross-party support, sets out gradual annual increases in the carbon tax rate.

The 2020 programme for Government committed to increasing the amount that is charged per tonne of CO2 emissions from fuels to €100 by 2030. The Government followed through on this commitment by introducing legislation in the Finance Act 2020 to provide for a ten-year trajectory for carbon tax increases to reach €100 per tonne of CO2 by 2030. This measure is a key pillar underpinning the Government's climate action plan to halve emissions by 2030 and reach net zero not later than 2050. It is important to note that a significant portion of carbon tax revenue is allocated for expenditure and targeted welfare and energy efficiency measures, which not only support the most vulnerable households in society but also, in the long term, provide support against fuel price impacts by reducing our reliance on fossil fuels. Removing the carbon tax for this period would not effectively address the current fuel price trends and would also impact on revenues allocated for expenditure on fuel poverty prevention and, therefore, I cannot accept the Deputy's amendment.

I will turn to the amendment that has been put forward by Deputy Nash to Financial Resolution No. 3. I thank the Deputy for his suggested amendment. The measure this Financial Resolution deals with provides two important supports for the tourism and hospitality sectors. One is a financial support, allowing businesses to keep their current prices without having to either absorb the cost of a VAT increase or pass the additional cost on to their customers. However, this measure also gives businesses certainty. It allows them to consider their plans and effectively budget for the rest of the year. If the Deputy's amendment was to be passed, it would essentially make financial support for the sector contingent on the establishment of a joint labour committee. This would introduce an element of doubt into their plans and budgeting.

As the Deputy will be aware, there are businesses throughout Ireland in the hospitality and tourism sectors that are struggling with the running costs of their businesses in this very uncertain climate. Government wants to do what it can to give them the certainty and confidence they need to be able to maintain staffing levels and continue the operation of their businesses. I acknowledge it is important that the sector treats its staff fairly and, as a general rule, it does. However, I appreciate this does not happen everywhere. As the Deputy will be aware, joint labour committees are set up by the Labour Court, following an application from either the Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment, a trade union, or an organisation that represents workers or employers involved in the sector.

In the first instance, the establishment of a joint labour committee is a matter for my colleague, the Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment. I also note that establishing a joint labour committee is not a solution, in and of itself, and that the effectiveness of such a committee will be determined by how the various parties engage with it. There can be no guarantee that it would be a success. Making financial support contingent on a joint labour committee's establishment would not necessarily achieve the Deputy's aims, that is, to improve work, conditions and pay throughout these sectors. Therefore, I cannot accept the Deputy's amendment.

I move amendment No. 1:

In Schedule 2, inserted by paragraph (l), by the substitution of the following for the row dated 1 May 2023:

"

1 May 2023

€483.34

€483.34

€425.45

€425.45

€425.45

€0.00

€164.23

€11 1.14

€142.76

€79.17

€9.36

.".

I have tabled five amendments. Is é an chéad leasú atá ann ná leasú ó thaobh an mhéid cánach atá á gearradh ar ola agus, go háirithe, ar ola faoi choinne an tí a théamh. Is é ceann de na laigí is mó atá ag an Rialtas seo anois le tamall maith anois ó bhí an ghéarchéim maireachtála linn, le suas le bliain anois, ná gur fágadh daoine a úsáideann ola lena gcuid tithe a théamh gan tacaíocht ar bith ón Rialtas. Níos measa ná sin, ní hamháin nár tugadh tacaíocht ar bith don Rialtas, ach go ndearna an Rialtas cinneadh i ndiaidh cinnidh leis an gcostas don ola sin a ardú mar gheall ar cháin níos mó a ghearradh air.

Léiríonn an tábla atá os ár gcomhair inniu go mbeidh an Rialtas ag ardú na cánach ar ola faoi choinne an tí a théamh agus go mbeidh sí ag dul suas ar an 1 Bealtaine arís agus a mhacasamhail don mhí ina dhiaidh sin. Is droch-chinneadh é sin. Is cinneadh lochtach é agus. Is cinneadh é atá lonnaithe sa tuiscint atá ag an Rialtas nach bhfuil mórán sa tír seo nach bhfuil mórán sa tír seo taobh amuigh de cheantar Bhaile Átha Cliath agus na bardais thart air sin. Má fheicimid ar mo cheantar féin san iarthuaisceart agus ar an iarthar agus ar cheantair iargúlta na tíre seo, feicimid go bhfuil dhá thriain de thithe mo chontae féin, Contae Dhún na nGall, ag úsáid ola faoi choinne a gcuid tithe a théamh. Níl tacaíocht ar bith ansin ón Rialtas.

Feicimid go bhfuil tacaíocht ann má táthar ag úsáid gáis faoi choinne an tí a théamh nó má táthar ag úsáid leictreachais faoi choinne an tí a théamh. Tá ísliú ansin ó cháin agus bhí ísliú ansin le bliain anuas. Tá sé sin le síneadh anois ar feadh tamall eile. Tá fáilte roimhe sin ach má úsáidtear ola, is é an rud atá an Rialtas ag rá nach go bhfuilimid ag dul ag cur billí breise ar an duine agus ar a theaghlach. Tá dhá thriain de thithe i mo cheantar féin i nDún na nGall fágtha le cinneadh an Rialtais go bhfuil siad ag dul ag déanamh rudaí níos measa dóibh i mbliana, cé go bhfuil an costas maireachtála ag cur isteach go mór orthu.

Má fheicimid ar na ceantair atá ag úsáid ola agus tá an tríú cuid den Stát, go hiomlán, ag úsáid ola faoi choinne an phríomhróil ina chuid tithe a théamh, agus ar an áit a bhfuil siad lonnaithe, tá an mhórchuid dóibh lonnaithe san iarthar, san iarthuaisceart agus sa deisceart, i gceantair iargúlta. Feicimid, ar an mórchuid, gur tithe atá ann nach bhfuil ar an gcaighdeán céanna agus a bhfuil fadhbanna iontu ó thaobh insulation agus a leithéid. Tá siad ag cailliúint teasa níos mó ná tithe nua-aimseartha agus nua-aoise. Mar gheall air sin, tá costais bhreise á gcur ar na teaghlaigh seo.

Má éistimid leis an Central Statistics Office, CSO, deir sí go hiontach soiléir ó thaobh an ráta boilscithe, gurb iad na teaghlaigh a bhfuil an ráta is airde orthu ná iad sin ina bhfuil an t-ioncam is lú acu agus feicimid go bhfuil Dún na nGall ar cheann de na contaetha ina bhfuil an t-ioncam is lú ann. Is é an dara rud ná tithe agus teaghlaigh atá i gceantair iargúlta. Ní hamháin go bhfuil daoine ag feiceáil go bhfuil a gcuid costas ag dul in airde, ach go bhfuil siad ag dul suas fosta mar gheall ar an áit a bhfuil siad lonnaithe agus an teacht isteach atá na tithe sin, tá ráta boilscithe níos airde acu ná mar a mbeadh sé dá mbeidís ina gcónaí anseo sa phríomhchathair.

There are a number of financial resolutions before us and I will go through them one by one. I have tabled a number of amendments. There are five amendments in total, all dealing with the table with regard to excise duty, as the Minister acknowledges. I welcome the fact that the Minister acknowledges there is excise duty on home heating oil. The table also deals with the issue of excise duty on petrol and diesel and marked oil, which affects the agricultural sector. The other resolutions before us also deal with issues in the VAT rate, which I will come to, and a number of other matters. I will also deal with the Labour Party's amendment, but my colleague will speak on that.

The financial resolution not only provides for a staggered increase in the rate of excise applied to petrol and diesel to be applied over the year, but the rate of excise applied across a number of fuel types. With regard to the issue of petrol and diesel, we know that the cause of travel has increased for every household. There are people here in this Chamber who hope we would all get on a bus or a train, or would all be able to walk or cycle to our place of work, or the local doctor's appointment, school or hospital, but when one lives in the community such as the one I live in, that is not possible for many people. We all saw the imagery of the Minister holding up the map of Ireland and how my own county was left behind in that. The last train that rolled in County Donegal was in 1963 and we still have no plans for Government to increase it. There are considerable challenges in public transport in my own county, but they are not unique to it. They happen throughout the State.

Many households, if they wish to be able to make that appointment, get their children to the school or go to the local shop, need to get in the car and drive there and back. The reality is that the cost of travel has increased for every household in the State. The price of petrol and diesel at the pump now stands at €1.65 and €1.68 per litre, respectively, in February.

If the rates were to increase as originally planned, we would see the cost of petrol go up to €1.85 and diesel at €1.83. The resolution provides for staggered increases in the excise rate to be applied that will increase the price of petrol by 6 cent per litre in June, by 7 cent in September and by 10 cent in October and the price of diesel by 5 cent in June, 5 cent in September and 8.5 cent in October. People will notice that this will not just bring us back to where we were but that this excise is more than what applied last year. Of course, the reason for this is that, on 11 October, the Government is going to increase the cost of petrol and diesel further by putting additional carbon tax on those fuels. I genuinely believe that this is a short-sighted approach.

The Minister said that the Government will keep everything under review. One of the amendments we have put before him provides for the excise duty applying to petrol and diesel to be reviewed before 1 June, when the Minister proposes to increase these rates. The reason we propose this is that no one has a crystal ball and knows what will happen. Is the Government genuinely saying that, if the cost of petrol was €1.90 per litre, it would proceed with an increase in the excise duty on 1 June no matter what? Is the Minister suggesting that is a possibility? That is the wrong approach.

While there are other factors at play, the war in Ukraine is the primary driver of inflation, including inflation in the cost of fuel at the pumps. There is no guarantee that these prices will continue to drop. We would like to see them drop further than they have but there are a number of factors creating uncertainty or presenting risks. The reopening of China is happening at a more accelerated pace, which will have consequences for oil reserves. America is to make decisions on the supply of oil into the markets it supported last year. Will this continue in the same way right through the summer months? We have issues with regard to the sanctions being imposed on Russia. These are really biting now, which will have an impact with regard to oil products. Crucially, the recent EU ban on Russian oil products is to take effect this month. We do not know what the outworking of that ban will be.

The outworking of all of these factors may be that prices remain stable, that prices reduce or that prices increase. The Government decision to increase the price of petrol and diesel on 1 June regardless of what may come is therefore the wrong decision. I believe this is an ideological battle being fought in Government and that the case of the motorist and the individual I spoke to has not been at the centre of this decision. The most appropriate thing to do would be to extend the current rates of excise on petrol and diesel until that point in June and review the matter at that time. Let us look at what prices are at the pumps at that time and make an informed decision. The Minister of Finance has made it clear that he will make no further intervention until at least the budget. That poses a big risk for families and those who need to use their cars. I strongly argue that a review needs to take place before 1 June. We need a common-sense approach based on the state of petrol and diesel prices. I would not be able to support an increase in excise duty on petrol and diesel if we were in the situation we were in at this time last year, the situation that created the reason for a cut in excise in the first place. That review is required. I again strongly argue that the further increase the Government plans to put on petrol and diesel by means of a carbon tax on 11 October is not warranted and should not proceed. I am sure we will have that argument again in the run-up to the budget and beyond.

As I said in my opening contributions, one of the gaping holes in the Government's approach to the issue of excise duty is the question of home heating oil. There are people out there who feel genuinely abandoned by this Government in that regard. A third of households in the State use home heating oil as the primary way to heat their homes. In my community in the north west, in Donegal and in the west, two thirds of households use home heating oil as the primary way to heat their homes. The Government has offered no support to those families through a reduction in excise duty. The reason it has not supported a reduction in excise duty for those families is that this duty is called carbon tax. That is the only reason. It is because of the name by which the excise duty is commonly known. That is the only reason and it makes no sense. The Government has decided to provide support to families with regard to electricity and gas. We will talk about the level of support provided in that area but if you are one of those individuals who relies on home heating oil to heat your home, like two thirds of those in my own county of Donegal, the Government has decided not only not to help you by means of a reduction in excise duty on that fuel, a fuel whose price has gone through the roof since last year, but also to make things worse for you. It has decided to increase the cost.

The table of excise duty rates that is before us lays out very clearly that, come 1 May, the excise duty on home heating oil is going to increase further. That is an appalling situation. I mentioned that the rate of inflation is different for different people. It is not only different for different individuals based on their household income, but it is also different based on the geographic location in which people live. Those who use home heating oil are primarily in the west, north west and south west of the State. They are not completely concentrated in those areas but that is where they are primarily concentrated. These are some of the areas in which disposable incomes and household incomes are lowest, in which levels of poverty are highest and, in some cases, where the worst insulated homes are. The Government is therefore exacerbating the situation by continuing to refuse to reduce excise duty on home heating oil and by proactively deciding to increase costs on those families.

We have an amendment before the House tonight that would allow for excise duty on home heating oil to be reduced to zero. It can be done. It could be done tonight if the Government so wished. It should have happened before now. There is an opportunity for it to happen tonight. As to where the level of excise duty will be, it is currently €104 per 1,000 l and, in May, it will rise to €123 per 1,000 l. What does this mean? The rise in May means that the Government is going to increase the cost of filling your tank with home heating oil by €19. The proposal before us is to reduce the excise duty on home heating oil until October, which would reduce the cost of filling that same tank by €125. I strongly argue that those families and households who have been left behind over the last year should be supported in this way through the adoption of the amendment we have brought forward. My colleague will talk about agricultural diesel and the importance of reducing the rate on that fuel as also provided for in our amendment.

I will briefly mention the other resolutions the Government has brought before us, particularly that relating to VAT on electricity and gas. The financial resolution provides for the extension of a reduced 9% rate of VAT applying to electricity and gas until the end of October. We know that the price of electricity has shot up over the last two years. It has doubled while the price of gas has increased by 138%. This extension is therefore necessary. We called on the Government to reduce the rate of VAT applying to electricity and gas as far back as November 2021. We also called for this reduced rate to be extended and kept under constant review. However, it is important to put this measure in context because there is no further support for families in respect of electricity bills. Let us put it in context. The extension of the reduced rate of VAT on gas from March to October will save the average household approximately €22. At the same time, the Government is going to increase the average bill by €17 in May through the imposition of another hike in carbon tax. That is what is happening here. The Government is giving with one hand and taking with the other. On electricity, the net benefit of the measure is also small. As we know, the Government refuses to provide another energy credit on the grounds that energy usage will reduce following the winter months but that is not true.

Figures from the CSO show that the electricity consumption by households over the next three months is the same as the last three months of the year and, therefore, the electricity consumption over April, May and June is the same as the last three months of the year, October, November and December. The CSO will point out that in 2021 the electricity consumption for households was higher in the next three months than in the last three months of the year. Government has spun a narrative that the reason it is not doing anything more on electricity is because people will use less in the coming months, but the statistics prove that is not the case. In the best-case scenario, they are using the same and the months running into December and, as I said, in 2021 they used more.

From next week on, there will be no subsidy for the energy that will be consumed in homes. I accept another €200 credit will be paid but that will be paid for energy that was consumed in the previous two months. With the exception of Pinergy, which increased its rates seven times, including this year, and has now reduced somewhat, rates have not dropped. They are not looking to drop anytime soon and the Government has still not brought in a windfall tax on these energy companies. I hear the Taoiseach is briefing his parliamentary colleagues today saying that he will not stand for this.

When the Minister's predecessor, Deputy Donohoe, was where he is and I and others put to him the need for a windfall tax and energy companies, what did he say? He said that would be the wrong move. He made the point that it would push up prices on households and he argued against it. That was the position of Fine Gael at that time and obviously it only happened through continuing agitation by us in opposition and others, but also the European Commission moved to ensure that this would happen. The fact is we still do not have a windfall tax. We still see profiteering in this sector.

Moreover, the Government has decided that in the coming months the energy consumed by households will not be supported. There is no support for those consuming energy in April and May, which is absolutely the wrong approach. People feel abandoned because they know the prices of electricity based on the bills that are coming through their doors and they need some type of certainty. That type of certainty is being provided by countries throughout Europe. Germany has no radical government and is not way out there. Over the Christmas period Germany decided to introduce price certainty for their citizens, similar to the proposal we put forward that we have argued with the Minister and his predecessor. The Netherlands did the same over the winter period and gave price certainty to their citizens. France, Poland and other countries right across Europe are doing the same thing. They are bringing in energy price breaks. They are ensuring that they are affordable so that their citizens are not at the brunt edge of inflation. Crucially windfall taxes also need to be part of that and the Government should take similar action.

Today's financial resolution provides for an extension of the reduced 9% VAT rate on the hospitality and tourism sector until the end of August. When we discussed this in January, I acknowledged the risks and challenges the hospitality and tourism sector faces this year, including an economic downturn, rising input prices and energy costs, and a fall in disposable income that threatens reduced demand in both sectors in goods and services they provide. The importance of these sectors to our economy and to employment is significant. It cannot be overstated. It is essential that they continue to thrive and grow.

Earlier we dealt with the TBESS. I did not get an opportunity to contribute to that, but I welcome that the Government has amended the scheme. The Government designed a scheme that completely and utterly failed with €1.2 billion allocated and only €32 million drawn down. Companies the length and breadth of the State were locked out of a scheme at a time they desperately needed support. We have been raising this and, in particular, my colleague, Deputy O'Reilly, has been raising this with Ministers for quite some time. It was particularly egregious that certain companies were locked out. For example, those using home heating oil and LPG were locked out of the scheme. I welcome the Government's announcement to include them.

It now needs to do the same for households. It recognised businesses were locked out of that and it needs to do the same for households through taxation, etc. That scheme needs to be fit for purpose to make sure that the money flows to businesses, including those in the hospitality and tourism sector. We argued for additional support for small and micro businesses that are struggling but we do not have that. We have a one-size-fits-all where a large multinational company will get the same support that another business can get. I look forward to seeing the detail and dealing with that when we have the detail of that scheme. Because we have lost so much time, it is important to get that right.

When we discussed the issue of the hospitality VAT rate, the Minister mentioned that an economic assessment on the impact of increasing the rate of VAT was being carried out. While that is deferred until the end of the end of August, the issue is still live. He has informed the Dáil he is not doing this because it would increase inflation. That would not be my primary reason for doing it. My greater concern was the impact on the tourism product we offer and the development of that product which has grown recently but we still need to nurture it and also crucially how it will impact jobs. Those questions will still arise when this rate increases at the end of August.

I am sure the Minister will do this because the assessment that was carried out will be subject to freedom of information anyway. I call on him to publish the assessment on this VAT rate carried out by the Department of Finance so we can have an informed decision on the VAT rate appropriate for this sector in the long term. It is important that Government is transparent on this and that the economic assessment carried out by the Department is published.

I apologise for taking so much time.

I welcome the opportunity to participate in this debate. I appeal to the Minister to support our family farmers who are under enormous pressure at the moment. The measures proposed by the Government will increase the cost of agricultural diesel by 1 cent per litre in June, a further 1 cent in September and a further 3 cent in October. Those are costs that farmers cannot bear, particularly if the base price of diesel remains unchanged and certainly not if it increases. However, that does not tell the whole story because as well as restoring the excise duty, the Government is also planning on increasing the excise duty in May through a carbon tax hike. In this instance, the carbon tax is so cruel and unfair because there is no alternative for agricultural diesel for tractors and heavy machinery. For the vehicles and machines that need agricultural diesel, broadly speaking there is no electric alternative and if there were, most farms in Ireland would not have hope in hell of being able to afford them at this stage.

All that an increase in agricultural diesel does is to increase the costs for farmers going about their business. It increases the cost of them doing business. In reality, increasing the cost of farming is increasing the cost of food. Adding a carbon tax to agricultural diesel is just a form of penalisation.

It is part of an agenda of demonising those who are central figures in our rural economies and communities. For this reason, we need to reconsider. I appeal to the Minister to support Deputy Doherty's amendment in this regard. We should not proceed with an additional excise on agri-diesel in May.

There are areas where the agricultural sector must be central in addressing its emissions, but the areas where the interests of agriculture and the environment merge are the ones where the Government is preventing farmers from playing a part. I have just come from the Joint Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine's umpteenth meeting on forestry. Afforestation rates are embarrassingly low - they are at their lowest levels since the 1940s. Think about that for a second. More trees were being planted annually in Ireland in the middle of the Second World War than there are now. Only 66 ha were planted in January. It is a national scandal, given that it comes on the back of a new afforestation programme. On 8 February, the Minister suggested that 1,000 ha had been planted last month. That is how far reality is from the heads of this Government. The Government is always talking about anaerobic digestion, yet the Minister, Deputy Eamon Ryan, only came to the realisation late last year. If he had listened to farming organisations over the past ten years, they would have told him that it was a way of supporting farming families, helping the environment, producing renewable energy and providing a significant financial and economic boost and that it could be done on a regional basis. Nothing has been done, though. I cannot remember exactly which number report we are on in this regard, but that is what the Government is doing now.

Our pathetic targets in respect of organics are being missed wildly and that will continue to be the case because they are not underpinned by a strategy. There is no strategy for the promotion and marketing of Irish organic products. There is no procurement policy that would mandate public bodies like schools, hospitals and the Dáil canteen to invest in organic, locally produced food. This would be good across the board, particularly for farmers.

Farmers are crying out to participate in renewables, including solar generation. Is the Minister for Finance aware that there are farms in this country that have solar panels on their roofs but that are barred by law from connecting their excess electricity to the grid? That is how ludicrous the situation is in some areas, thanks to the way in which farmers receive their grants.

There are areas where farmers should and must play their part. In almost all of those areas, though, the barrier lies not with them, but with the Government. Instead of focusing all minds on those areas where we can support our local communities and farmers and help the environment, the Government reverts time and again to measures that penalise and demonise and do people a great disservice.

Members of the Government, particularly in the Green Party, get frustrated when they are accused of having an anti-rural bias, but it is sometimes difficult not to make that assertion. Take how the carbon tax is applied as an example. It disproportionately impacts poorer people and people in rural communities because it is a charge by the Government on people for doing things they have to do and to which they have no alternatives. Many people in my community have no choice – if they want to get to work, they have to take their cars. Every year, through the imposition of carbon tax, the Government makes it more expensive for them to do that. If they want to travel to their local health service, be it a GP or hospital, they have to take their cars. God forbid if they had to wait for an ambulance, but even the ambulance would be powered by diesel. Rather than taking the approach that would allow rural communities to move away from having diesel-powered engines in their cars by providing public transport and ensuring they have services, the Government targets them.

Nothing exemplifies the fact that there is an anti-rural bias in the Government's cost-of-living measures more than its approach to home heating oil. It is a fact that the more rural the community you live in, the likelier you are to depend on home heating oil to heat your home. Since the beginning of the cost-of-living crisis, though, the Government has actually added excise duty to home heating oil in the guise of carbon tax. At the same time, it has implemented measures to help other people to heat their homes. The Government is doing nothing. This situation would be laughable were it not so serious. The Government is charging people for using something to which they have no alternative.

The language around what the Government does with the carbon tax has changed. Initially, the Government sold the carbon tax as a mechanism by which to wean people off – that is the term some Ministers like to use – fossil fuels. As has been proven over the past 12 months, though, you cannot wean someone off his or her car if he or she has no alternative to it in order to go about his or her daily business. You cannot wean someone off an open fire or home heating oil if he or she does not have a mechanism to change fuel sources.

Consider where the carbon tax is spent. It is not spent on supporting families that are making a transition. Instead, it is a major transfer of wealth away from the poorest people in our society to the wealthiest. Those who are in a position to buy brand-new electric vehicles are the ones who get the carbon tax. They are not the people who are forced to drive to work every morning in my community. Wealthy people who can afford to carry out full retrofits are the ones who benefit from retrofit funding while those who want to apply for the schemes for which they are eligible have to wait years. This major transfer of wealth is unfair.

I appeal to Government Members to support Deputy Doherty's amendments. There is a better and fairer way of doing business. There is a way for us to have a well-functioning and well-resourced economy while ensuring that we meet our climate action targets without penalising people for just going about their daily business.

I am glad to have the opportunity to discuss the important issues of excise duty, VAT and the significant cost of fuel for people on the road. The Minister stated that excise duty and VAT rates would be increased in, I believe, June and September. I appeal to him not to restore the rates of excise duty and VAT unless the cost of fuel imports reduces to what it was in January 2022 before the war. People will not be able to afford it. There are those who cannot manage without a car or other form of transport. They have to use a vehicle, be it powered by diesel or petrol, to get to work.

I was over in New York and New Jersey a week ago at my uncle's funeral. There was no diesel vehicle to be seen anywhere, only the largest of V8 petrol Jeeps and cars. There was not a single word said about carbon or the like. We are all under the one sky – the same moon and sun shine over there, albeit at different times of the day and night, given the time difference.

People in Ireland may not travel to America but they know what is going on there. We need to be fair about it and Irish people always play their part but they are being vilified and demonised in a desperate way. They should not be. Our people are as good as any people in any part of the world but they are not being treated as such. There is a green tail wagging the dog and they are giving people an awful lot of grief. In Germany there is no problem in the world and they are opening up coal mines again. They are even moving a village to open a coal mine. Yet, there is a Minister here who says we cannot burn turf or sell a bag of turf or we cannot sell it online or whatever rubbish he is on about. It does not make any sense in the world. Then, other people are freezing with the cold because they cannot purchase oil or coal due to the cost of it. Single people who may be just on a pension cannot live with the carbon tax and the increase in fuel.

The basic thing I wish to tackle is the cost of green diesel. White diesel went up to €2 and €2.20, but if we go back before the war, green diesel was 38 cent per litre and white diesel was about €1.20 per litre. Both started to rise and then at one particular time - I do not have the date - green diesel was 90 cent per litre and white diesel was around €1.90 per litre. All of a sudden, green diesel went up in one week to €1.40 per litre, then to €1.45 per litre, and it reached €1.50 per litre. Today, it is €1.21 per litre. I want to know what is happening with green diesel.

I called for an investigation into fertiliser yesterday. I want an investigation and answer on this for the people using green diesel. It is not right. Something is wrong. Extra money is being charged. It is basically farmers who use green diesel. As I understand, it all comes in as white diesel but somewhere along the line Revenue gets at it and puts green dye into it, which is how it is marked gas oil at a lesser price. It is almost on par with white diesel now. I want an answer to that. I will be asking the Minister about it again. It is important and means an awful lot to many people. It is very hurtful and it is the difference between keeping going and not keeping going. Something happened somewhere along the line. It did not go up at the same rate as white diesel or petrol. It went up double or treble. It is now €1.20 per litre but before these increases started, it was 38 cent per litre. White diesel was €1.20 per litre, but now it is €1.70. There is a massive difference which must be examined and explored. We need to be told what happened or how it happened and given an explanation for why it is so exorbitantly dear today. I am interested in that issue.

I support Sinn Féin's amendment. It is all fine for the Minister to say he is going to extend the excise reductions until 1 June. I see petrol has gone up six cent, diesel five cent and green diesel one cent. In September, it will go up seven cent, five cent, and one cent, respectively. In October, it will go up 8 cent, 6 cent and 3.4 cent, respectively. That is an astonishing rise in fuel. People have suffered quite a lot in the last 12 months. This mainly affects rural Ireland. People in Dublin and surrounding areas tell me they are driving but certainly not as much as the people of rural Ireland who have no choice but to use their cars, vehicles or vans to get to work. Farmers have to use their tractors to provide us with food. People will feel this because the price of fuel at the pumps had reduced to perhaps €1.69 or €1.70 per litre. It is going to go back to €1.85 or €1.86 per litre. There could be further increases outside of the Minister's control, which could drive it over €2 per litre again.

It is a tax grab. I always think the Government is continuously grabbing where the easiest pull is, which is from the people on the road who have no choice but to be on the road. We saw a review take place on train services throughout the country and on where new train services could be provided, which would be fabulous if it was in west Cork but it is not even in the plan or even considered in it. The Government has not even considered west Cork for reopening rail. There was a rail service going down to Schull in the 1800s, yet it cannot even be considered to go to Bandon in 2023. That says it all about where the Government's focus is. There was a rail line to Bantry, through Drimoleague and places like that in west Cork in the early 1900s, yet today we cannot get it to Clonakilty. There is something wrong somewhere.

The focus is not on where the Government needs to spend the money. It has lots of tax takes on so many items. It is quite frightening. The fuel tax take is the biggest grab the Government is getting and it is getting away with it. Farmers are affected very badly by all of this and were affected throughout a terrible season last year. Perhaps some got a price increase for cattle, which they really appreciate. I see the dairy sector is now being hit again because there is a dramatic drop in the price of milk. There is no drop in the price of fertiliser or the price of fuel but the Minister intends to put fuel back up and to attack farmers further, kick them in the teeth further and to keep them down and to continue the attack on the agricultural sector. It is a continuous attack, one after another.

Deputy Carthy mentioned forestry, and I was at the debate earlier. What the Government is doing is an absolute scandal. It is completely out of touch but the Ministers there are unable for their brief, which is the whole point.

Public transport is an area that is not very strong in west Cork. I welcome any extra services that are being put on. We have been pleading for services for nearly three years. I am a voluntary member of Local Link. We have been working on a route covering Ardgroom, Castletownbere, Bantry and Kilcrohane for the last few months. I hope that will get up and running. I will not deny there is aid from the State, but we are left wide open. In the area I come from, Goleen, there is only one bus daily to Cork city. In areas like Dunmanway, Clonakilty and Dereen, there is little or no return service. I could go on all evening. The Minister has had three years to sort this out. If he wants to put up the price of fuel, I have no issue with that if he can put a bus service outside the door of the people of west Cork, the same as people in Bray, Dublin and Kildare get. If he can do that, I will come into the Dáil and say, "Fire it up" because we do not need the vehicle. At this time, there is only one mode of transport most people in west Cork can avail of, which is the car.

The Minister is shoving the price of fuel up from 1 June. He is attacking the ordinary man, woman and child on the ground. From 1 September and 1 October, they will be hit again. He is only hitting the ordinary people and they are not going to forget that. It is only a greedy tax grab so the Minister can have plenty of grants he can hand out to his buddies and provide nod and wink grants around the place. That is what it comes down to. Give it back to the everyday people who are working hard.

The Minister knows where this is coming from. He cannot tell me this is not affecting the people of rural Ireland. This affects the people of rural Ireland and he is going to throw carbon tax on top of that.

The Deputy just accused us of corruption.

Have a look at where some of those funds are going. Perhaps the Minister will sit down with me and I will go through where some of the funds are going. It is the carbon tax.

He is making an accusation.

You can talk when your time comes. Is that fair enough? I will not interfere when Deputy McAuliffe is speaking unless he wants to thank me and perhaps I might.

We will not accuse Deputy Collins of corruption.

Order from that side. I am trying to talk and that gentleman is interfering with my opportunity to talk.

He wants to support the Green Party.

We know that. They are worn from doing that. Most of the Fianna Fáil Deputies are green today anyway. We all know that and everybody knows that in my constituency.

The bottom line is the carbon tax. The Government will hit people with an increase on 1 June and in September and October. Where will it stop? Will the Minister answer me where it will stop? Can he tell me whether I am wrong in saying this will mainly affect the people in rural Ireland? I am not wrong. He knows I am not wrong. He has no answer to this question. Perhaps he might later but I am giving them the facts that the people are telling me. Where I live there is no public transport and the farmers are hit day and night. They will be hit again with this increase. Every small increase takes people over the edge. I speak to farmers. There is a loss of confidence because of the continuous attacks, mainly led by the Green Party and I accept that. It is wagging the tail and the other parties are just saying "Yes". Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael hide behind the ditch thinking that nobody will cop that they are backing the Green Party but they are.

People who wanted to invest in machinery are pulling back. People selling agricultural machinery are saying there are few if any sales this year. Recently I told the agriculture committee that I spoke to a farmer in west Cork who wanted to invest in a second robot for milking cows. In fairness, he is a big farmer. He asked me what I thought of the future. I told him the only hope he has of progressing or growing his farm is to keep buying land. He told me that he had enough ropes around his neck. He said it was over and that he was pulling the investment. He had clearance from the bank and the grants but he said that he would not go ahead. I told him it was up to him and not to stop on my behalf but that he would not have phoned me only that he was worried anyway. He said there is continuous negativity. Somebody sent me a text today to say we brought in 54,000 tonnes of beef from some other country. Well done. Instead of protecting our own agriculture, beef sector, dairy sector and sheep sector we are turning our back on them thanks to the Green Party. The other parties are aiding and abetting it.

Sinn Féin has tabled an amendment on the price of home heating oil. The Minister refused to take the VAT off home heating oil. This is a severe attack on the ordinary mothers and fathers inside in their houses, most of whom have spent a terribly difficult winter anyway. I meet a lot of people who ask me whether I think the price of fuel would come down so they could buy 500 l of home heating oil. People ask me questions such as this. I cannot come up with the magic answer. It is a difficulty for families who are perished in their homes and are paying top dollar for their home heating oil.

There is a lot of worry. People laugh at this. Members can laugh and smile all they like but they will all have to face the people when they knock on their doors. They can tell the people that they are sorry they left them without home heating this year because they could not afford to pay for it. They can tell people they left them in a situation where energy companies have overcharged customers and that they stood idly by and let it happen. The Government cannot be blamed for everything but certainly it could do a hell of a lot better than what it is doing when we see businesses such as shops paying €10,000, €12,000, €13,000, €14,000, and €15,000 for electricity bills. Hotels are coming to me on a daily basis. I received a text a while ago from someone in west Cork whom I do not know. That person is worried about the increase in fuel costs. The person's mortgage has increased. The person has faced so many cost increases and does not know where the money will come from. There is only one pool of income but there are a whole lot of pools taking money.

I want to speak about the fishing sector as I have the opportunity to do so. It has been hit very badly. There was a fuel subsidy available from Europe. The Minister, Deputy McConalogue, must have fallen asleep and not heard about it. The Minister for Finance should really get involved in this because the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine is unable to understand how to draw the subsidy. Every other country that has a fishing industry drew the fuel subsidy. The French are now drawing a second tranche while Ireland did not even draw the first. It is an astonishing attack on the fishing industry, the farming industry and mothers and fathers doing their best.

I welcome what the Minister has done for the hotels with regard to the 9% VAT rate. It is very important that he has not increased it. Many cafés, restaurants and hairdressers are very much on the edge in rural communities. I heard a radio debate one day that made me think I was in a different country. Those involved were saying that the hotels in Dublin are doing well. I have met representatives of the hotel sector in west Cork from Clonakilty, Rosscarbery and other places. They told me only a few months ago that in family-run hotels some of the family members will have to work for nothing this year to make ends meet. If the rate was taken from 9% to 13% it would have pushed them over the edge. It would have closed some cafés and other businesses. I fully welcome this measure. The Minister said it will come to an end at some stage. I hope he will reconsider this but let every day bring its own part.

With regard to the increases in fuel costs on 1 June, September and October, I plead with the Minister to give serious consideration to kicking the can down the road again and sending it away altogether. I ask him to give the little bit of relief he gave last year. Leave it in place. It will not be forgotten. The carbon tax is coming fast and quick and across the way the Government is jumping high and dry for it to come. I have certainly never supported it and I never will. It is a continuous attack on rural Ireland. The people of rural Ireland cannot keep dipping into their pockets to keep this country going. They need further assistance. They need the Minister's party to fight for them.

With carbon tax increases and fuel increases I do not know what the price of fuel will be in 12 months' time for the ordinary people who pull up at the filling station to fill the car every Friday evening. Their income is not rising but their expenses are. It is the same with the people trying to fill the tank of home heating oil. Their income is not rising but their expenses are. The tax take is severe on all of these. It is a complete and utter greedy grab. I would expect the Minister to look at this again. I ask him at least to have a look at the people it affects, such as the farmers and fishers mainly, and the ordinary man and woman in rural Ireland.

I wish to inform the House I have a list of speakers that includes Deputies Nash, O'Reilly, O'Donoghue, Devlin, and O'Sullivan and does not allow for the Minister to speak. If everybody wants to speak we will try to include them but they need to keep this in mind and try to allow a few minutes for the Minister to reply. Is that agreed? Agreed.

I agree and in that spirit I will limit my remarks to my amendment on the 9% VAT rate on the hospitality sector, which is being extended yet again. This VAT relief was introduced initially for good reason in 2011, when unemployment in this country was in danger of heading towards 20%. It was a very important measure introduced in 2011 to try to encourage a sector that we believed could recover quite quickly from the economic difficulties we were experiencing. The sector added jobs very quickly with the support of this innovation. Of course, as we know, the 9% VAT rate has continued to be extended beyond the period when it was of any real utility. We know that in recent years officials in the Department of Finance undertook research in respect of the efficacy of this particular very expensive VAT reduction applicable to the sector. They found that in these latter years the measure was considered to be a deadweight measure. In other words, it was using a significant amount of taxpayers' money to support activity that would have taken place in any event.

In recent days we have all listened to independent economists who have no particular political perspective and have looked at this from an academic and functional perspective. They have stated there is no longer an economic argument for the extension of this particular VAT rate reduction. We know to our cost in this country that the hospitality sector broadly in general terms, and not every hospitality sector employer, is the lowest-paid economic sector in the country.

It is responsible for a very significant amount of employment but it is a sector that is, as I have said before and will say again, addicted to low pay, long hours and precarious work.

A Fáilte Ireland survey in 2021 made it very clear that over half of all workers earned between €10 and €12 an hour, which is below what we now consider to be a living wage in terms of the hourly rate. The Unite trade union undertook research in 2021 and 77% of respondents indicated that low pay was the dominant and most significant issue in that industry. In fact, in November 2022, the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport and Media in its report recommended what I am recommending this evening, namely, that the joint labour committee that has been legislated for, and that has been in place since the Industrial Relations (Amendment) Act 2012, starts functioning.

I signed two employment regulation orders in 2015 under the restructured, reconfigured and constitutionally robust joint labour committee system. There are two in operation at present, one for the contract cleaning sector and one for the security sector, and they are operating very well. In fact, there are three in operation at the moment, and the third is in the childcare sector. I am sure the Minister, Deputy McGrath, agreed when the Minister, Deputy O'Gorman, brought the memo to the Cabinet suggesting that a joint labour committee would be set up in the early years sector to improve pay, terms and conditions, and when he decided, with Government approval, that he was going to invest several hundred million euro in the sector to bring down costs for families, but also to improve the pay, terms and conditions of workers in a sector that was finding it very difficult to attract, recruit and retain staff, and where low pay was a very real issue.

The same issue exists in the hospitality sector but, year after year, we have decided to transfer hundreds of millions of euro into the sector without asking for anything at all in return. That is not good public policy. Good public policy would insist that we use taxpayers' money to drive better economic and social outcomes for everyone. I read with interest earlier in the Irish Examiner online that the Tánaiste, when pressed, said that people who are dining out or staying in hotels should be able to get better value. He was saying this in the context of the €300 million VAT extension, and I agree with him. However, with regard to the workers in the sector - those low-paid workers who are delivering the service, day in and day out, often in difficult circumstances and on precarious contracts, with no Sunday premium and some working for minimum wage or just above it - I did not read of him saying that he wanted to see pay and terms and conditions in the sector improve.

The Labour Party is requesting, through this amendment, that the current situation as it applies to the sector, the 9% VAT rate, be extended until 30 April 2023 and if, on 30 April 2023, a joint labour committee for the tourism and hospitality sector stands established, that it be further extended until 31 August 2023. I believe that is a reasonable request. Many billions of euro have been used to support the hospitality sector in recent years, yet pay and terms and conditions are still poor and precarious. In my experience, very few people can make a good living and expect to have a decent quality of life while working those precarious hours in a sector that, as I said, has become addicted to low pay.

I appeal to the Minister to review the position and to take some leadership from the example shown by the Minister, Deputy O’Gorman. When he transferred funding from the State to private providers in the early years sector, he demanded that contingent on this would be compliance with a joint labour committee. The best way to organise workers and the best way to customise solutions, if I can describe it as such, in an economic sector is through collective bargaining. We have a sectoral bargaining system in place. It was the will of this House in 2012 that there should be a joint labour committee and, ultimately, an employment regulation order for the hospitality sector. It has happened in the contract cleaning and security sectors, and it is now happening, thanks to the Government and the Minister, Deputy O'Gorman, in the early years sector because significant moneys were transferred and it was made contingent on the operation of a joint labour committee. I ask the Minister, Deputy McGrath, to review his own position on that; to be consistent with his Government colleague, the Minister, Deputy O'Gorman; and to accept the Labour Party amendment, which I will be happy to move when it is appropriate.

I want to refer to the amendments put forward by an Teachta Doherty, specifically the one concerning home heating oil. It is not, as some might suggest, a rural-only issue and, in fact, it affects many people in my constituency. Many of them will be scratching their heads when they learn that the Government has accepted, the argument having been won by myself and others, that businesses that depend on kerosene should be assisted. I have welcomed that and the Minister was here earlier when I did so. However, they will be wondering why, if the argument can be won on behalf of business, it could not be won on behalf of people who heat their homes with kerosene. If the time allows, the Minister might advise us on his thinking in that regard. I fail to understand why the Minister left them out of TBESS in the first place. Notwithstanding that, although it took a while, eventually the Minister listened and that mistake has been rectified, and we await the details of that. What I cannot understand is why those who heat their homes rather than power their business with kerosene and home heating oil are going to be penalised.

For many people, it is the only way they can heat their house. It is not an optional extra; it is how they keep their home warm. When the cost goes up in the way it has, and then up again and again, while they might normally put in a full fill of oil, they might now put in half a tank because that is all they can afford, but then they realise that half a tank is actually the price a full tank was last year. If the time allows, the Minister might explain to those people what they have to do to win that argument with the Government. They do not have a choice. Not everybody in Dublin has access to gas and many people, particularly in my constituency, heat their homes with home heating oil.

I want to refer to amendment No. 1 to resolution No. 3 in regard to linking the extension of the VAT reduction to the establishment of a joint labour committee. There is no disputing that hospitality and tourism is a sector where low pay and poor terms and conditions are rife. We hear all of the arguments coming from employers, for example, that it is students or people doing it for a bit of pin money, and it is not a real job. It is a real job. If anyone has ever worked in catering or hospitality, as I have, they will know it is very much a real job. Certainly when I did it, I spent my money on what my family needed at home. It was not pin money for me. It was money that I needed to heat my house, pay my rent and pay crèche fees and all of those other things.

Just so the Minister is aware of the terms and conditions within that industry, the survey carried out by Unite found that 55.6% were paid less than living wage. Over 70% of workers cited low pay as being very much a defining feature of their employment. Some 75% do not receive premium pay for a Sunday and, very often, for those working in hospitality, Sunday can be the busiest day. Some 70% cited a lack of breaks during their working day; 72% said their workplace is deliberately understaffed, leading to an overload of tasks and demands on workers; and 70% experienced bullying, with up to 55% not reporting the incidents due to a fear of repercussions or lack of trust that anything will change.

Some 80% of workers declared working in the industry had a negative impact on their mental health and well-being and 52% of workers believed migrant workers were treated worse than non-migrant workers in their workplaces. This is further underlined by research conducted by Dr. Deirdre Curran. I again encourage the Government to engage with Dr. Curran's research because it is very instructive for us in here. She talks about how we address, and how workers can address, the issue of low pay and poor conditions. She says a way to address the issue of low pay and poor conditions is collectivisation within a trade union. This was indeed recommended by the tourism committee in its report.

Everybody acknowledges the tourism and hospitality sector has come through quite a challenging time over the last number of years. Nobody disputes it has been tough for many employers. The sector is not without its decent employers. I worked for some of them many years ago. However, there is absolutely no disputing the assertion the sector has an issue with low pay. I am not at all opposing what the intention of the amendment is but I caution against linking workers' rights to benefits for business. I have said before that if the Government or anyone tries to buy workers' rights, the price will eventually become too high and the workers will be the ones who lose out. Therefore, the only way workers can ensure they secure their rights at work and that they secure themselves a loud and effective voice at the level of their own workplace is to join their trade union and be active in it.

I appreciate the Minister is not accepting the amendment but I ask that he engage with his colleagues at Cabinet and urge them to progress the legislation on collective bargaining. It is something workers in the hospitality sector would very much benefit from. The collectivisation brought about by trade union membership is very low in the tourism and hospitality sector and that is something that needs to be addressed. I think we are all agreed there is an epidemic of low pay within certain sectors in this State that must be addressed and cannot go unchecked. If the Minister is not minded to accept the amendment - which as I have said I have my own difficulties with, though I support the intention of it - I urge him to engage with this colleagues and encourage them to bring forward legislation on collective bargaining to ensure workers' rights can be protected at their workplace.

Deputy O'Donoghue is next. Five speakers have indicated and the Minister should have an opportunity of saying a few words before the vote.

I appreciate that, a Chathaoirligh Gníomhaigh, but I believe everyone has spoken here. Deputy Doherty spoke for 30 minutes, Deputy Carthy for 15 minutes, Deputy Michael Collins for 17 minutes, Deputy Danny Healy-Rae spoke for ten minutes, Deputy O'Reilly spoke for ten minutes and now you want me to try to get in five other speakers. Not only that-----

Just a second, Deputy. Let me explain. I am trying to accommodate everybody insofar as is possible. Last week I did that as best as possible. It is to be fair to everybody and give everybody a chance to express some words. The Deputy may of course continue for the duration and run the clock down, in which case nobody else speaks.

On a point of order, our party requested all parties be allocated time. That was not agreed by Government and it set the order, unfortunately, for the time and the way it is conducted. Accordingly, we only have nine minutes and 23 seconds left.

Some people decided they wanted to have interactions and run down the clock themselves.

We asked that everybody have-----

I know, but I indicated from the outset the aim is to accommodate everybody. It is up to Deputies. Deputy O'Donoghue has the right to go on if he wishes to but there are swings and roundabouts and those kinds of things.

If other people who interacted with others while they were speaking had a bit of cop-on, they might have had a bit more time themselves.

We are looking at the Minister's budget and he had €5 billion left over from excess taxes after the Government did its accounts this year. There is €5 billion left over and people have increases in their energy costs of up to 300%. The Government is saying it will help people if their energy bills have gone up 30% since last September. I think that is what it said. That is welcome but at the same time the Government is taking in a massive amount of tax due to the increased cost of energy and oil.

I was the first person to highlight the fuel problem in this country when I brought a truck in the gate of Leinster House in November of the year before last. I could see the problem at that time because I am from a farming background and I am self-employed. I could see the issues that were coming down the line for transport and agriculture. I told the Government at that time, 12 months ahead, that this was going to create inflation. I said it was going to increase the cost of food production. I said it was going to increase the cost of people being transported to their workplace when they have no alternative.

When the Minister is being driven around, which I have no issue with, he might take one look out the window and look at the average age of a vehicle. As I was heading out of Dublin last week I decided I would do a survey and look at the average age of a vehicle in Dublin. The most popular cars in Dublin are from 2013 and 2014. Outside every door and house in Dublin there is a car. When you try to get in here in the mornings there are three lanes of traffic coming in and three lanes going out. The people in Dublin who have transport still cannot avail of it because it does not work if you have got a young family. If you have two or three children and they are going in different directions, public transport does not work. We have 2.3 million cars in the country and people in Dublin have a short journey to work. People in rural areas have all the long journeys. That includes going to the shop, to the school if you do not have transport, to the doctor, to work, to matches and to training. It is all driving.

The Minister's party did a survey recently that showed it is afraid it is going to lose all its rural Deputies. It would be right if that happened because they have not represented the people they were supposed to, that is, the vulnerable people of rural Ireland. I have mentioned the Red Cow before. It was a Limerick man that had it and it was a Limerick man that named it but I am afraid the Government has forgotten about anything beyond there. I hope it is taken out on the Government parties on the doors. I hope it is taken out on the party members who failed to represent people and who came to Dublin and nodded "yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir", which left their own people vulnerable. The Government has not tackled this because it does not understand rural living and it does not understand business.

The Government is now looking at the fuel cost. The price of picking up an acre of silage went from €90 to €160. Where does the Government think the price of that is going to go? The milk price went up but now it has come down. The Government is talking about putting the price of fuel back up again, and then there are the taxes it is taking out. The Government has 50 cent tax on a litre of petrol and 44 cent tax on a litre of diesel, yet green diesel and white diesel are nearly on a par. The Government is taking it out on the people who are trying to produce food here and trying to make their business sustainable. I spoke earlier about the warehousing of tax. I said people spent their savings to keep their businesses open because they thought it was only for a short time during Covid. They had a tax liability and warehoused it thinking there would be light at the end of the tunnel. However, every time the subsidies come in it does not cover the increases in energy costs, so people are losing all the time and the Government is not helping.

I welcome what the Government has done with the hotels, which I asked for as well, because I understand the business myself. I understand how important it is for the circular economy and the local employment it creates. When people come to the hotels they travel all around the country and spend in the local shops, so it is a circular economy.

It might be advisable if the Government got someone in from the business sector to explain how SMEs survive and how they have to work.

I ask for the Minister's advice. If he will please sit down with us, I will explain to him simply how we can help all businesses. I will leave the rest of my three minutes for the Minister to sum up, or will he have time after these three minutes?

No, there are three minutes left. Deputy Devlin wishes to make a point as well.

I will stop soon and leave time for the next speaker.

I thank the Deputy.

I ask the Minister to look at all his Government's Deputies in the rural areas and what people are saying to them, which is the same thing, namely, that they are not representing the people they are supposed to. If there is a desire to make this a Government based on the cities of Dublin or Cork, then go ahead with that.

I thank the Deputy. I call Deputy Devlin.

I thank the Ceann Comhairle, but I will give my time to the Minister to reply to this long debate.

I thank all my colleagues who contributed to this debate. We will have another opportunity because there will be a finance Bill 2023. What we are debating here are three financial resolutions. If they are not passed this evening, the result will be that this day next week the VAT on gas and electricity household bills will go up to 13.5%. The VAT on tourism, hospitality, hairdressers, theatres, cinemas, and so on will also go up next week to 13.5% if these resolutions are voted down. Equally, we will also have a restoration of excise duties next week of 21 cent per litre on petrol, 16 cent per litre on diesel and 5 cent on marked gas oil. This is essentially what the vote this evening, if one is called, is all about. Members can have different views on the nature of the deferral and on the plan we have for the restoration of the original tax rates. They are entitled to have different views on all that, but I have set out the bottom line regarding what we are voting on here.

A significant number of issues were raised that I will not be able to respond to given the time available. The carbon tax, however, did come in for a lot of attention and I wish to record that the amount collected last year is estimated to have been close to €800 million. A great deal of opposition was outlined to this tax this evening, but I must put the question: where will we find the alternative revenues if those who want to, essentially, from what I can see, get rid of the carbon tax have their way?

In budget 2023, we allocated €623 million of those hypothecated carbon tax funds. Some €291 million went to residential and community energy efficiency and €218 million was allocated to social protection measures. This was for the qualified child payment, to increase the means limit eligibility for the fuel allowance and to increase the threshold for eligibility for the working family payment. We also provided €81 million from the carbon tax proceeds for green and sustainable farming and €33 million for the continuation of other expenditures. This information was all laid out. On budget day, we publish a paper setting out how the carbon tax proceeds that have been hypothecated are allocated across all these areas. This information is there, it is transparent and it is there to be scrutinised and criticised

I commend these resolutions to the House. It is important that we provide certainty to businesses and households and that the increases in taxes that would otherwise happen in a week's time do not happen. We will have further debate in this regard when finance Bill 2023 is brought forward in the next several weeks.

As the time allowed for the debate has expired, I must now put the following question in accordance with yesterday's Order of Business: "That Amendments Nos. 1 to 5, inclusive, set down to the Motion for Financial Resolution No. 1 are hereby negatived and the Motion for Financial Resolution No. 1 is hereby agreed to."

Question put:
The Dáil divided: Tá, 77; Níl, 56; Staon, 0.

  • Berry, Cathal.
  • Brophy, Colm.
  • Browne, James.
  • Bruton, Richard.
  • Burke, Colm.
  • Butler, Mary.
  • Byrne, Thomas.
  • Cahill, Jackie.
  • Calleary, Dara.
  • Cannon, Ciarán.
  • Carey, Joe.
  • Carroll MacNeill, Jennifer.
  • Chambers, Jack.
  • Collins, Niall.
  • Costello, Patrick.
  • Coveney, Simon.
  • Cowen, Barry.
  • Crowe, Cathal.
  • Devlin, Cormac.
  • Dillon, Alan.
  • Donnelly, Stephen.
  • Donohoe, Paschal.
  • Duffy, Francis Noel.
  • Durkan, Bernard J.
  • English, Damien.
  • Farrell, Alan.
  • Feighan, Frankie.
  • Fitzpatrick, Peter.
  • Flaherty, Joe.
  • Flanagan, Charles.
  • Fleming, Sean.
  • Foley, Norma.
  • Harris, Simon.
  • Haughey, Seán.
  • Heydon, Martin.
  • Higgins, Emer.
  • Hourigan, Neasa.
  • Humphreys, Heather.
  • Kehoe, Paul.
  • Lahart, John.
  • Lawless, James.
  • Leddin, Brian.
  • MacSharry, Marc.
  • Madigan, Josepha.
  • Martin, Catherine.
  • Martin, Micheál.
  • Matthews, Steven.
  • McAuliffe, Paul.
  • McConalogue, Charlie.
  • McGrath, Michael.
  • McHugh, Joe.
  • Moynihan, Aindrias.
  • Moynihan, Michael.
  • Naughton, Hildegarde.
  • Noonan, Malcolm.
  • O'Brien, Darragh.
  • O'Brien, Joe.
  • O'Callaghan, Jim.
  • O'Connor, James.
  • O'Dea, Willie.
  • O'Donnell, Kieran.
  • O'Donovan, Patrick.
  • O'Dowd, Fergus.
  • O'Gorman, Roderic.
  • O'Sullivan, Christopher.
  • O'Sullivan, Pádraig.
  • Ó Cathasaigh, Marc.
  • Ó Cuív, Éamon.
  • Phelan, John Paul.
  • Richmond, Neale.
  • Ring, Michael.
  • Ryan, Eamon.
  • Smith, Brendan.
  • Smyth, Niamh.
  • Smyth, Ossian.
  • Stanton, David.
  • Troy, Robert.

Níl

  • Andrews, Chris.
  • Bacik, Ivana.
  • Boyd Barrett, Richard.
  • Brady, John.
  • Browne, Martin.
  • Buckley, Pat.
  • Cairns, Holly.
  • Canney, Seán.
  • Carthy, Matt.
  • Clarke, Sorca.
  • Collins, Joan.
  • Collins, Michael.
  • Conway-Walsh, Rose.
  • Cronin, Réada.
  • Crowe, Seán.
  • Cullinane, David.
  • Daly, Pa.
  • Doherty, Pearse.
  • Donnelly, Paul.
  • Ellis, Dessie.
  • Farrell, Mairéad.
  • Fitzmaurice, Michael.
  • Funchion, Kathleen.
  • Gannon, Gary.
  • Gould, Thomas.
  • Guirke, Johnny.
  • Healy-Rae, Danny.
  • Howlin, Brendan.
  • Kelly, Alan.
  • Kenny, Gino.
  • Kerrane, Claire.
  • Mac Lochlainn, Pádraig.
  • McNamara, Michael.
  • Mitchell, Denise.
  • Munster, Imelda.
  • Murphy, Catherine.
  • Nash, Ged.
  • Naughten, Denis.
  • Nolan, Carol.
  • O'Callaghan, Cian.
  • O'Donoghue, Richard.
  • O'Reilly, Louise.
  • O'Rourke, Darren.
  • Ó Murchú, Ruairí.
  • Ó Snodaigh, Aengus.
  • Pringle, Thomas.
  • Quinlivan, Maurice.
  • Ryan, Patricia.
  • Sherlock, Sean.
  • Shortall, Róisín.
  • Smith, Bríd.
  • Smith, Duncan.
  • Stanley, Brian.
  • Tully, Pauline.
  • Ward, Mark.
  • Whitmore, Jennifer.

Staon

Tellers: Tá, Deputies Hildegarde Naughton and Cormac Devlin; Níl, Deputies Pádraig Mac Lochlainn and Denise Mitchell.
Question declared carried.

As the time allowed for the debate has expired, I must now also put the following question in accordance with yesterday's Order of Business: "That the Motion for Financial Resolution No. 2 is hereby agreed to."

Question put and agreed to.

As the time allowed for the debate has expired, I must now put the following question in accordance with yesterday's Order of Business: "That the Amendment set down to the Motion for Financial Resolution No. 3 is hereby negatived and the Motion for Financial Resolution No. 3 is hereby agreed to."

Question put and agreed to.
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