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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 26 Mar 2025

Vol. 1064 No. 7

Ceisteanna ar Pholasaí nó ar Reachtaíocht - Questions on Policy or Legislation

The Taoiseach set out the road to government of the Lowry TDs. He emphasised their willingness to serve, their forensic analysis of the programme for Government and then their accession to high office - all of the building blocks that define them categorically as Government TDs. The Taoiseach is quite right. After an election there is of course a necessity to assemble a Government and you did that - Fine Gael, Fianna Fáil and the Lowry group. You get to define the Government. You do not get to select the Opposition. That is at the core of this issue.

Maybe we can be of some assistance in defining the deal done with Lowry. I can identify two parts of it. One was the office of the Ceann Comhairle, is that not right, Taoiseach? Second was speaking rights at Leaders' Questions and of course that suits you because it blunts the accountability mechanism. Leaders' Questions is the set-piece event, as we know, for the Opposition to hold the Taoiseach to account and now he wants that to be occupied by faux Opposition in the form of Lowry and his crew.

Ask a question, please, Deputy. Time is up. Taoiseach to respond.

The Deputy has made it very clear from the outset and set the precedent on day one of this Dáil. Total disruption, total opposition. She said before the Dáil even convened that there would be total opposition. In the Sinn Féin tradition, I know what that means.

Robust opposition.

I know what that means. You have form in this. I say to the Deputy that she showed a complete lack of respect yesterday for the Ceann Comhairle, her party did and she did, in terms of the behaviour in the House. It is going to be very difficult for any Ceann Comhairle in future Dáileanna. The next Dáil will have the same problem because you have now created a new precedent. I regret that.

We are now in a new position where, if you successfully barrack down and intimidate people enough, you will try to get your way.

You put the Ceann Comhairle in position.

We cannot allow that to happen. The Government side is not going to allow that to happen.

Doublespeak. You have turned logic on its head.

I genuinely believe that what you have done yesterday and since day one of this Dáil when you did not want the constitutional obligation of the Dáil fulfilled-----

Thank you Taoiseach, time is up.

---you have set the tone for how this Dáil is going to go.

Do not preach the Constitution having done what you did. Spare us the homily, Micheál.

I call Deputy Bacik.

Yesterday afternoon Deputy Nash and I attended a briefing on tariffs and trade with senior officials from the Department of Foreign Affairs. It was also attended by other Opposition Deputies. I thank the Minister and Tánaiste, Deputy Harris, for setting up that briefing at my request. I had asked him last week that it would be set up. We are all very conscious that we are facing a particular crunch point next week with the prospect of US tariffs. There is deep concern around the country about the impact they are likely to have on jobs, the economy and the prospects for achieving the necessary change in terms of housing construction and investment in public services. The Minister, Deputy Donohoe, spoke about this on the radio quite candidly recently. What contingency planning is the Taoiseach doing at Government level? Can he brief the House on this, particularly next week once we see this deadline in place? Have he and the Tánaiste plans to engage further with Commissioner Šefčovič or indeed with the US officials on this?

Yes, it is a very serious issue. It will be profound if it is not satisfactorily resolved by dialogue. A trade war would have a very serious impact on GDP and GNI, in other words, the income of the nation. It could potentially have a serious impact on employment. It is the most serious challenge facing this Government. We had a number of meetings on Monday in respect of it, the Tánaiste and I with the Minister for Finance and the Minister for public expenditure, in terms of the various scenarios that could unfold. I have engaged with a number of companies, as have the Tánaiste and the Minister for Finance, and with our State agencies. We are working through this. It is very serious and will dwarf anything we have been discussing here in the past 48 hours. Given the profound nature of what could happen, it really is a huge reflection on the Dáil that we are having major rows about eight minutes and so on.

At your behest.

It is a reflection on you, Taoiseach.

Deputy Bacik got the briefing yesterday. It is ongoing. The contacts with Commissioner Šefčovič, the President of the Commission and the US Administration are ongoing.

From today, the crisis in our health service will deepen. This morning, 6,500 psychiatric nurses began industrial action in a dispute over unsustainable staffing levels. On Monday, a further 80,000 healthcare workers are planning to start a strict work to rule. At the core of this dispute is the pay and numbers strategy, a strategy which none of us has seen. This so-called strategy is just a recruitment embargo by another name. It has led to the introduction of severe recruitment caps, the abolition of thousands of funded posts and failure to fill maternity leave vacancies. These posts have disappeared overnight but patient need has not. Community waiting lists spiral. Infant developmental checks have been missed and radiotherapy machines lie idle. Why? Because if there is no staff, there are no services. Will the Taoiseach immediately publish the pay and numbers strategy? Will he undertake credible workforce planning and honour the previous commitment to these funded posts and provide for safe staffing levels across our health services? This crisis cannot be allowed to continue.

First I would ask that there would not be industrial action. We have 28,500 more staff working in the health system now than there were at the beginning of 2020. That is an increase of about 24% in staffing levels within the health service. I acknowledge that population growth has been significant but by any yardstick there has been consistent, huge and increased investment in our health service across the board. That is manifested in thousands more nurses and midwives, more health and social care professionals, more doctors and dentists. There will be a further increase in staff in 2025, in the thousands, in our health service. However, we also have to look and reflect to make sure we are getting value and that we are deploying and utilising all resources to the optimal degree. In the context of exponential growth in expenditure on health, the industrial action cannot be sustained, in my view.

The Taoiseach has repeatedly told the Dáil, and did so again today, that this is about eight minutes of time and that the Opposition is not losing a single minute of speaking time. I ask him to confirm that is not true and is not something the media should be repeating without interrogation because it is not based on facts. You are cutting Opposition time every single week by 69.5 minutes. You are halving from a meagre minute to 30 seconds for each group to oppose the Order of Business. You are halving the time for Taoiseach's questions from 90 minutes a week to 45 minutes a week - hundreds of questions that will simply go unanswered because you do not want to be held accountable. You are cutting time for the Opposition groups in Private Members' time by 22 minutes a week. Where is that time going? Not eight but 56 minutes of that time is going to Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael and the Lowry group in the form of Leaders' Questions, priority questions to Ministers and extra time on Private Members' business.

You are way over time. Taoiseach to respond.

I will finish on this. If the Taoiseach thinks that Michael Lowry or members of his group asking Leaders' Questions will be accepted here next week, he has another thing coming.

Thank you, Deputy.

The role of the Ceann Comhairle in this has been nothing short of disgraceful.

Your time is up, Deputy.

This is not over.

Deputy, you are the one taking other people's time.

This destruction of the rights of the Opposition in this Dáil will not be accepted.

I remember when former Deputy Mick Barry, Deputy Murphy's colleague, was first elected to the House he said on his first day that there is a saying in France to the effect that you must bring the politics of the street into the Parliament. That has always been Deputy Murphy's view.

I agree with people power, yes.

Exactly. He does not agree with parliamentary institutions.

We should listen to the people.

It is no surprise to me that he would threaten more mayhem and chaos next week because that is what he does. In terms of the Order of Business, we have had a charade for quite a long time whereby the Business Committee meets for a lengthy period-----

Probably going to close down that as well, are you?

-----and an Order of Business is allegedly agreed. We then come in here, and people stand up and sit down and say they do not agree the Order of Business. Sometimes we lose ten or 15 minutes when other Deputies could have the opportunity to raise issues specific to their constituencies or that they are concerned about.

So you are cutting our time.

No. We are allowing Deputies to have a greater say and not to be dominated by yourself and others, who tend to dominate and take ten minutes of other people's time every time they oppose, sometimes for superficial reasons-----

I call on Deputy Gogarty.

There are many pressing national and international issues we need to discuss. In this context, given that the total Opposition time has been reduced by almost 70 minutes and Government-related time has been increased by 56 minutes, the time for the Government to be held to account is being significantly curtailed.

The Taoiseach has to acknowledge his role, and that of his party, Fine Gael and the Lowry line-up in the whole debacle of calling time for Government Independents non-Government time. Will he now push for the Dáil to sit at 9 a.m. on Tuesdays to address the time balance? Even better, he could review this plan. Abusing the Ceann Comhairle is wrong, the way the Ceann Comhairle was treated yesterday was semi-feral and as a collective, there are more dignified ways to make a Dáil protest. Still, however, the Government's policy is wrong and the Taoiseach knows it. Will he please reconsider?

In respect of Leaders' Questions, no party here is in any way losing anything.

Some parties have gained more and will have more time on Leaders' Questions. I would favour Friday sittings for legislation because I do not think Government time is enough in terms of-----

Not for Taoiseach's questions.

-----getting legislation through. We are a legislative Chamber; not just a debating Chamber. If the Dáil wants to sit longer, I have no issue with that at all.

We need to consider increasing the mandatory retirement age for Bus Éireann bus drivers beyond 70 years of age. This week, I have been inundated with calls from bus drivers and operators regarding this issue. They feel we will face a crisis next September to fill school bus routes in order to get our children to primary and secondary schools.

I spoke to a bus operator yesterday which will have to refuse two bus routes next year because the company cannot get anyone to fill them. I spoke to another operator today who has nine mandatory retirements coming this year and does not see anyone who can fill the routes. It is nonsensical and illogical that bus drivers can legally drive from Malin to Mizen Head but cannot operate a school bus route because they are over the age of 70.

We must take all safety precautions and mitigate all risks, in particular regarding 101 licences, which require annual medical tests. However, I do not see why Bus Éireann must continue to enforce a retirement age of 70. We should consider a retirement age of 73 or 75 years. The Government must act now in order to avoid a crisis next September.

I agree with the Deputy. This needs to be urgently reviewed. I will ask the Minister involved to do that. Chronological age does not determine a person's health and fitness, in particular in a modern era where, thankfully, the population is living longer and lifespan is increasing.

There are huge issues around having enough drivers for school transport. Our systems need to be far more agile and nimble in facilitating the recruitment of drivers, in particular for the school run which is not overly taxing. The Deputy has laid out the position very well. I will speak to the Minister to see if he can engage with the relevant agencies. I believe the Road Safety Authority, RSA, has an issue with this. There may be insurance issues and so on. I will certainly pursue the matter on behalf of the Deputy.

I ask the Taoiseach for an update on the M20 Cork to Limerick project. Limerick City and County Council published a transport solution for the project in March 2022 and subsequently published updates in February and November 2023 and June 2024.

The dual carriageway will comprise over 100 km of safe shared active travel pathways connecting communities from Blarney to Patrickswell, encompassing towns in my area of Charleville and Buttevant and villages like Ballyhea and New Twopothouse. There will be transport hubs, EV charging points and freight hubs along the way. The project will facilitate essential public transport options, including the opportunity for quicker intercity express bus services and improved efficiencies on existing bus services serving communities between Cork and Limerick. I hope the Taoiseach will provide an update on the motorway. We will try to deliver it as quickly as we can.

The Government is very supportive of the motorway. I understand it has gone through the various planning stages. There will be a further review of the national development plan and I expect the project will be included in that. As the Deputy knows, the project has gone through route selection and so forth. It is something that people eagerly await.

We have seen the transformative impact that bypasses have had on towns like Ballyvourney and Macroom. Bypasses can free towns from pollution and congestion and also bring strong economic connections between areas. The M20 will have a transformative impact in terms of the Limerick-Cork nexus and economic development that could arise from greater and faster connectivity.

I want to raise the shocking case of 13-year-old Senan Maguire from my constituency, who is autistic. His case was covered by the Sunday Independent, which referenced the absolute failure of the State to provide services for Senan, his mother and father, Tina and David, and the wider family.

I could talk about major issues regarding community disability network teams, CDNTs. The child is not currently in school and I am not sure whether he has a secondary school place. There is a particular issue with child and adolescent mental health services, CAMHS, and CAMHS-ID. The fact is that when Senan was aged six he lost Sophia, his four-year-old sister, who had Down's syndrome. He witnessed the attempts to resuscitate her. The family have spoken to experts and believe there is PTSD. Obviously Senan's case has become a lot worse. In our area, there is a doctor connected to CAMHS-ID but there is no multidisciplinary team. We do not have follow-through in terms of a timeline. I would much prefer not to raise this issue here, but the situation is absolutely drastic.

I thank the Deputy for raising the issue. I know he perhaps did not want to identify the plight of a young boy. I will certainly speak to the Minister for Health to see what we can do. I understand there should be a CAMHS-ID team available. I will follow up on the matter and see what we can do to help.

Regarding proceedings which happened yesterday, I spoke with my four daughters last night about the carry-on, intimidation, bullying and abuse the Ceann Comhairle was subjected to yesterday, which was nothing short of disgraceful. Nobody should be bullied in the workplace. They asked me to say hello to you and wish you well as they are thinking of you.

I want to discuss a couple of infrastructural projects. The Government has put of lot of money into such projects, but there are a couple of key ones in my constituency, Kilkenny. Funding was made available for route selection on the north extension of the Kilkenny ring road and the N24 Waterford to Cahir road, which covers 20 km through south Kilkenny. We want to make sure these projects are fast tracked. They have been held up by Transport Infrastructure Ireland, TII . We need an update from TII on the ring road, the N25 Waterford to Glenmore road, the Waterford to Cahir road and the N78.

I agree with what the Deputy said regarding how the Ceann Comhairle was treated yesterday.

We have invested significantly in national roads funding. I take on board what the Deputy said.

As I say, the national development plan gives us an opportunity to review and refresh these proposals. We have invested heavily in the national road network but, obviously, we need to do more. The Department of Transport has allocated approximately €2.7 billion since 2020. Many projects are at different stages of progress. We will certainly do everything we can to respond to the issue the Deputy has raised.

I thank the Taoiseach and call Deputy Ó Muirí.

I thank the Ceann Comhairle, and commend her for keeping the car between the ditches yesterday, which was a difficult workday for her.

Cuirim fáilte roimh Bille um Údarás na Gaeltachta (Leasú), 2024 agus na hathruithe atá i gceist ó thaobh bord an údaráis a thoghadh. Tá athruithe beaga sa Bhille ó thaobh an t-údarás a bheith in ann talamh a dhíol le AHBs nó le húdaráis tithíochta, chun dídean a chur ar fáil i gceantar Gaeltachta. Tá aidhm ar leith i gclár an Rialtais go n-oibreodh an Rialtas le hÚdarás na Gaeltachta chun cinntiú go bhfuil a dhóthain tithíocht agus seirbhísí poiblí ar fáil i gceantair Ghaeltachta. Creidim féin gur féidir leis an t-údarás ról lárnach agus deimhneach a bheith aige, má chuirtear na hacmhainní cearta ar fáil dó. An aontaíonn an Taoiseach liom go mbeidh Acht nó Bille eile ag teastáil chun an aidhm seo a chur i gcrích? B'fhéidir go bhféadfadh sé iarraidh ar an Aire nó ar an Roinn amchlár a leagan amach don Bhille seo más rud é go n-aontaíonn sé.

Gabhaim buíochas leis an Teachta. Beimid ag plé an Bhille sin níos déanaí anocht. Tá súim agam scrúdú a dhéanamh ar na hathbhreithnithe atá ag an údarás ag an bpointe seo faoi chúrsaí tithíochta. Níl sé soiléir agus ní bheidh sé éasca, ach beidh seans againn é a phlé oíche anocht.

The gridlock on the N11-M11 has reached a breaking point and the Government's failure to act is a complete disgrace. In 2022, the Government pulled funding from this critical upgrade to the N11. Wicklow's population has skyrocketed in recent years and yet there has been little or no investment in key infrastructure, jobs or public transport. People have no choice but to rely on their cars because the Government has failed to provide viable alternatives. Commuters are trapped for hours in gridlock every morning and evening. They are missing work, school and vital medical appointments because our transport system simply is not fit for purpose.

In the programme for Government, the Government states it will invest in all road projects on the current national development plan. The N11 upgrade is in the plan. Wicklow cannot wait any longer for this upgrade. The Government must immediately reinstate the funding to allow the upgrade for the N11-M11. When will the funding allow for that critical infrastructural project to proceed?

As I said earlier, the Government will update the national development plan. We hope to have that ready by July and roads will be a part of it. We are conscious of the serious congestion issues and delays for people on the N11. We will also be investing in public transport, which is very important for the future sustainability of transport. There will be a parallel approach comprising roads, public transport and active travel.

Almost 70,000 health workers will go on work-to-rule next Monday. The issue is not about pay or conditions but the intolerable staffing levels in our health service. Not every part of the health service is impacted, but where it is staff are at boiling point. What action is the Government going to take to avert the industrial dispute that will start on Monday? We have gross understaffing in parts of our mental health and disability services, particularly in the community. Within hospitals, the spend on agency has increased to €250 million this year. The cost has been increasing in recent years. Even our new national children's hospital, the jewel in the crown of the health service, is 382.8 whole-time equivalents short of what is required to maintain existing services when they move into the new building next year.

A report was sent by Children's Health Ireland to the HSE and the Department of Health in October 2023 but it is yet to receive a response. The public are expecting at the very least the same level of service, and indeed more services, when the new hospital opens next year. We need that staffing.

There are established and well-tried industrial relations procedures to deal with any disputes that arise, particularly in our health service. As I said, there has been a significant increase in healthcare staff in recent years, higher than any comparable period before 2020.

For any new health facility, there will be engagement on the staffing arrangements for the new facility. That is not new in the context of other facilities that have been opened in the past. There will have to be a correct deployment in terms of numbers and so on to ensure not only the standard of the physical attributes, if you like, of the new hospital, which will be state of the art when completed, but also to ensure a sufficiency of human capital, the people working there, the doctors, nurses, social and healthcare professionals, and all the other staff who work in the hospital. I am sure that will be worked out between the different bodies and agencies.

I return to the change to Standing Orders that was rammed through yesterday. I have no doubt it was carefully choreographed and directed by the Taoiseach and the Government. That happened notwithstanding a solemn promise given by the former Government Chief Whip that the Government would work with the Opposition to come to an acceptable solution. The Government did the complete opposite. Instead of coming up with a solution, it used the situation. The change it brought was the result of an Opposition that was as united as I have ever seen in stating that what the Government was doing in giving the Deputy Michael Lowry group time was unacceptable. In the guise of changing that, the Government took away the time for Taoiseach's Questions. That time was halved and the Taoiseach is no longer accountable on the second sitting day of the week. The time for the Order of Business was reduced by 50%. The Government took away 22 minutes of Private Members' time to give to the groups. It gave priority questions. On every level, the Government misused the opportunity to deal in an agreeable way with the Opposition. It is a serious issue. Not only that, but the Taoiseach twisted language on its head and put the Ceann Comhairle in a most invidious position.

I absolutely reject the Deputy's assertions. What has happened with the Order of Business is to keep 30 minutes for Deputies, and to not have it for Questions on Policy or Legislation or to not have it as a second round of Leaders' Questions, which had become the practice for certain Deputies in the House. Questions on Policy or Legislation is much better now, in particular for backbenchers from all sides of the House, as per the new Standing Order. I ask the Deputy not to misrepresent the situation. Just because others in her milieu keep on saying something does not make it true.

On the commitment of the former Government Chief Whip, there were 20 hours of discussions. Nothing was rammed through.

There was a lot of discussion at the Dáil reform committee on the issue. I believe that certain elements of the Opposition did not want this situation to be resolved because it did not suit the agenda, which is to take a wrecking ball to the procedures of Leinster House and Dáil Éireann.

Figures for house prices came out yesterday. We are now seeing astronomical house prices and the highest rate of increase in inflation for eight years. The median price of a home is now €420,000. What nurse, garda or bus driver can afford these house prices? What is the Government doing by way of an emergency reaction to the housing crisis, particularly in the area of affordable housing delivery? It has not met its own affordable housing targets. We have a significant budget surplus available. What is the Government doing as an emergency response to allocate additional public capital money to not-for-profit housing bodies to deliver affordable housing that is genuinely affordable for sale and rent? Why are we relying on and seemingly orientating policy, such as on rents and tax breaks, towards institutional funds, which are a deeply unreliable source of finance, when we have the finance available?

In the two months of this Government, we have allocated close to an additional €800 million in public funding, much of it to the approved housing bodies. That is what we have done. We will continue to look at ways to provide more housing.

They say there are delays.

We came forward with the help to buy scheme and the first home scheme, now called the bridge the gap scheme, which the Deputy opposed.

That is helping a lot of first-time buyers. I accept that prices are too high and I accept that until we get more supply, we will not get into a position where we can moderate house prices. We need more supply. That is the key but the supply will have to be provided through State intervention but also through private sector investment. It is not either-or. I think the Deputy's position is that it is either public or nothing.

No, it is the institutional funds.

I think it has to be both.

Next Monday will see the launch of a new men's mental health programme in Baltinglass, County Wicklow. This is the Headsup programme. Headsup is an evidence-based mental health education and training programme for men who are finding life stressful, have issues with unemployment, feel isolated or lonely and who wish to learn ways to improve their well-being. Headsup gives men the opportunity to build their mental health and physical fitness, while developing their ability to make connections, set goals and develop a life plan to get back on track. In an era of increasing rural isolation, mental health issues are often cited as particularly acute. I see this myself at first hand. This is also evidenced by the high suicide rate among men. For example, CSO data recently showed that of 449 people who died by suicide, 80% of those were men, which is 359. Will the Minister of State outline what measures contained in the programme for Government would support and complement the important work that begins next week in west Wicklow?

I thank the Deputy for raising this important question about mental health, especially men's mental health. He is absolutely right. Unfortunately, in 2022 we had 410 deaths by suicide and 80% of them were men. We have been looking at this very closely. We encourage people like the Headsup programme. We also encourage men to attend men's sheds and to be able to speak openly about their mental health challenges. One thing in the programme for Government is that I allocated €2 million specifically for counselling supports for men under the CIPC programme. Anybody with a doctor only card is not eligible to receive these counselling supports free of charge. What it means is that we are starting off with men specifically, because that is the area we are trying to reach. I am working closely with the Department on rolling out these counselling supports specifically for men. I commend the Deputy on his work on men's mental health.

There are three Deputies left. We are out of time but I propose, with the agreement of the House, to take the Deputies. Is that agreed? Agreed.

As the Taoiseach knows there are huge cost pressures on small- and medium-sized businesses. Irish retailers support more than 370,000 jobs in every part of our country. Many retailers I have spoken to are concerned about the medium- and long-term viability of their businesses. Our retailers provide a great service to their customers and to our local communities. The landscape of the Irish high street as we knew it has changed dramatically, and unfortunately for the worse. Walk down a principal street in any town today, and if there are businesses, they are principally in the services area and not the traditional shops selling drapery, groceries, gift items, hardware or household items. International corporations trading in e-commerce and selling products online pose particular difficulties for small- and medium-sized Irish businesses trading online too. Government-imposed costs on retail need to be reduced and the Government needs to prioritise the retail sector for support. It is a sector that contributes much to employment in every parish in our country.

I accept what the Deputy is saying. There is a fundamental issue with the urban landscape, and with high streets in particular. The world has changed and that needs to be taken on board in the modern planning of towns and cities. We need more residential in our towns and cities. I believe there is a future for retail but it will be a different kind of retail than the multi-stores we had in city and town centres in the past. Town and city planners perhaps need to engage more proactively on this. From a Government perspective we want to develop initiatives that would incentivise more residential and public realm investments, which some towns have been doing through rural development funds or the URDF. That is where we have to go.

Everyone in the Dáil has someone close to them suffer from cancer at one stage or another. As I stand here, I express my heartfelt thanks to the Irish Cancer Society and to all who work and care for those suffering from cancer. This coming Friday is daffodil day and I hope people come out to support the cancer society in whatever way they can.

A cancer diagnosis turns people's lives upside down. Their daily routines change completely. They cannot work and they still have bills, childcare and mortgages to pay. The least we can do in this State is ensure that anyone diagnosed with cancer receives a medical card. On behalf of those who suffer from cancer, Independent Ireland is once again calling for an automatic medical card to be issued to all cancer patients for the duration of their treatment. Will the Taoiseach support this proposal?

What has happened in the past is there was a modification for those terminally ill. I know that is not a great message either in terms of allocation of medical cards. I think Government is sympathetic but then it would have to apply to all. There are different forms of illness, like motor neurone, dementia, chronic cardiovascular disease and others. The principle advanced so far on the ground is that every case should be assessed, and that flexibility and adaptability should be there. It should not just be through the income threshold prism but also through medical information and so on, in order that people can get access to the medical card. I fully accept what the Deputy is saying about additional costs. We are investing heavily in cancer centres across the country. For the first time ever, Cancer Connect is getting funding. That all helps patients, irrespective of income. That is the first time that has happened, and I insisted in the last Government with the then Minister, Stephen Donnelly, that we would for the first time create permanent funding for a lot of cancer centres. I praise the Irish Cancer Society for the work it does in advocacy and service provision.

Orlagh Aylward was stillborn in 2004. Her parents, Mildred and James Aylward, have tirelessly fought for recognition that her medical care in the lead-up to Orlagh's birth could have been different and if steps had been taken earlier, Orlagh would be here today to celebrate her 21st birthday. Mildred and James would like to move forward and to grieve their daughter. They received individual apologies from the staff in the Coombe, but they feel Orlagh's case should be recognised by the HSE and that the HSE should issue a sincere apology. I will send the Taoiseach notes on Orlagh's case. James and Mildred are asking the Taoiseach if he will follow up on this case with the HSE.

I thank the Deputy for raising the case. It has been a traumatic experience for the family and that continues to the present day. Will the Deputy send me the details? Generally speaking, in terms of maternal and infant mortality there are issues we need to be constantly vigilant about. There have been a number of cases. I will not say they are ongoing but there is no question but that issues have arisen from time to time. We need to be open and transparent about that to make sure we can ensure better care into the future.

That concludes Questions on Policy or Legislation-----

A Cheann Comhairle, because of what happened in the Dáil yesterday I was deprived of raising a question. Once only have I been allowed to speak in this Chamber, having been elected to represent Laois. I have never seen anything like it. I ask the Ceann Comhairle to make it good for those of us who were to ask questions yesterday. I think it is totally unfair and she has to change it.

I accept there is-----

I am the same as everybody else-----

-----democratically elected and I lost my opportunity. The Ceann Comhairle should make good of it.

Will the Deputy send me correspondence?

Have a chat with your Whip. Fuck's sake.

Thank you, Deputies. Language. I now move to Government business-----

A Cheann Comhairle, just before we move to Government business, can I raise a point of order?

I attempted under Salient Ruling 51 to raise a point of order on numerous occasions yesterday, which allows me as a Member of the Dáil to raise it before a question is put. I would like it to be heard now. The concern I have is that as Members of this House, one of the most important functions we have is the passage of legislation. We have a crucial legislation that will take a step forward later on, namely, the Údarás na Gaeltachta (Amendment) Bill. It will allow for democratic elections across the State. I have serious concerns about whether the Order of Business was actually passed yesterday. I put it to the Ceann Comhairle that I am asking for a direction and determination, maybe on the basis of legal advice as well, because I have now reviewed the audio of what transpired yesterday. The Ceann Comhairle clearly put the question. The Chief Whip agreed the question. The Ceann Comhairle declared the question carried and there was a clear call for a vótáil. Under Standing Order 85(2), when a division is called, a division has to be carried out.

I question whether the Ceann Comhairle has failed to fulfil her independent and impartial duty to allow that division to take place, which is now clearly on the Oireachtas website. The word “vótáil” stands out. Therefore, what is the legal basis for legislation that may be passed in this House later today, never mind what happened yesterday?

I thank the Deputy. I too have reviewed it and I will send him the official record that we have. Then we can then take it up, Deputy.

No. That is the end of the matter.

Can I ask for clarification? Is the Ceann Comhairle looking at the Oireachtas transcript, which is an abridged version of what happened, or the audio, which is what would be relied on in any court of law-----

If the Deputy gives me a second-----

-----as to whether the legislation that is being passed later will actually be valid or not?

I will ask the Clerk to clarify that. I will get the Clerk's Sheet and the Official Report of the Dáil for the Deputy.

Sorry, no. With respect-----

I will get that to the Deputy and then we will take it up.

The official record of the Dáil is an abridged version and does not contain - everyone can look on the Oireachtas-----

The official record is the official record.

Gabh mo leithscéal. There are two records in the Dáil, with respect Micheál Martin.

Gabh mo leithscéal.

I am asking a point of order. There are two records.

On the point of order, I have told the Deputy what I will do.

He is allowed to make a point of order.

I am looking for clarification. There are two records of the Dáil on oireachtas.ie. One is the script which does not contain a lot of what the Ceann Comhairle said. The second one is the video-----

I will send the Deputy the official record.

-----in which it is very clear that a vote was called which you refused to allow.

I will send you what is regarded as the official record.

Can I ask then-----

Thank you, Deputy.

This is a legal issue in terms of a piece of legislation that will pass. Will you seek legal advice as to whether the legislation will have standing or not, given that you did not allow the division which was clearly heard?

It has not been voted on.

The legislation has not been voted on, Ceann Comhairle.

I will send Deputy Doherty the official record and I will review it post sitting today.

Will you review the video?

Yes, I will Deputy.

We move to Government business, statements post-European Council meeting of 20-21 March 2025, pursuant to Standing Order 113.

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