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JOINT COMMITTEE ON ENTERPRISE, TRADE AND EMPLOYMENT debate -
Wednesday, 6 Feb 2008

Annual Report 2006: Discussion with Dublin City Enterprise Board.

I welcome Mr. Patrick Lynch, chairman; Mr. Greg Swift, chief executive officer; Councillor Gerry Breen and Ms Denise Brophy, members of the Dublin City Enterprise Board. I thank them for their attendance and for being here so early. I apologise for delaying them due to some housekeeping business. I am sure they appreciate that such matters have to be attended to. We have split our discussion into two sessions. In session No. 1 the committee will discuss the Dublin City Enterprise Board's 2006 annual report and in session No. 2 I have asked representatives of the Irish Small and Medium Enterprise Association, ISME, and the business development and support unit of National Irish Bank, NIB, to participate in a discussion on the impact of local government regulation and the general regulatory framework on the development of local enterprise. We will also discuss the merits of a proposal by NIB to phase out the use of cheques in business transactions and encourage the greater use of electronic payments, including direct debits, debit cards and credit cards. Delegates will be aware of this and will have something to say about it. We received a submission on the matter.

Mr. Lynch will make the initial presentation but before he begins, I draw attention to the fact that while members of the committee have absolute privilege, the same privilege does not apply to witnesses appearing before the committee. Members are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that they should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the Houses, or an official, by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable. That is the usual warning I have to give everybody who appears before the committee. I do not anticipate it will arise but that is the procedure.

Mr. Patrick Lynch

Thank you. We had better be careful about what we say since he has set the scene for us.

We are grateful to be asked to speak to the committee about our activities. The committee has selected a good vehicle in the consideration of our 2006 annual report. As we are compiling the 2007 report, the 2006 report is the most relevant and current.

The Dublin City Enterprise Board is a statutory agency. There are 35 other agencies in the other local authority areas. Our membership is prescribed. We have a county manager or his or her nominee — in our case, Mr. Michael Stubbs, assistant city manager for development and planning. We have representatives from Enterprise Ireland, FÁS, IBEC and the CIF and a nominee from the Irish Congress of Trade Unions. We are fortunate to have four elected members from Dublin City Council on the board and have asked Councillor Breen to come today. He is a long-standing member of the board and a businessman. Therefore, he knows both sides of the issues involved. We have five others who are experienced in establishing and running small businesses from the local community sector. Ms Brophy is a former chairperson and I succeeded her a few years ago. As she works as a professional business person for Dublinia, she also knows the full range of our activities.

Having discussed it with the clerk to the committee, Mr. Eugene Crowley, we decide to send a presentation rather than use overheads or a PowerPoint presentation. Our chief executive, Mr. Swift, will take us through a succinct and distilled version of our 2006 report and it needs that approach because only when one reads it after publication does one realise the range and extent of the activities engaged in by the board for the year.

Members should bear in mind that ours is an urban board. Many members of the committee have rural backgrounds and represent rural constituencies. The nature of our work is different from that of many of the rural enterprise boards. We are in an intensive area with much economic activity and development. It has a large number of third level institutions and benefits from the potential opportunities they present for entrepreneurship and business establishment.

Four fundamental pillars support our activities. One is the promotion of an enterprise culture in the Dublin city area as stated clearly in our articles and memorandum of association. We are obliged to give information and advice and offer mentoring services to prospective start-ups and small micro-businesses of fewer than ten people, because that is the sector in which we are involved. There is an issue in this, about which Ms Brophy might speak. We promote management development, thus improving the skills of those involved in small enterprises or micro-businesses in order that they can capably and effectively manage their businesses. We also give financial support to entrepreneurs and start-ups by way of grants and packages.

In the second part of the session we will examine the obstacles to entrepreneurship and enterprise. For the first part, as the Chairman suggested, Mr. Swift will take us through the first four elements I have outlined, after which, when the group is enlarged, we can discuss the impediments to starting up businesses. Mr. Swift will now take us through, in an efficient and effective manner, the activities pursued in 2006.

Mr. Greg Swift

We submitted a presentation entitled 2006 — A Remarkable Year, related to the annual report, which we also submitted to the committee.

We secured an extra 45% in funding from the Department towards the end of the year, some of which was earmarked for special projects. FÁS has been of great support, particularly with our training and management development programmes. We collected a large amount of fees from small and medium size enterprises and also got involved in a European project.

The services in the city are in great demand. We find it difficult to keep up with demand and have to take various measures to cope. There is a lot of demand related to starting, developing and supporting businesses. We organised and expanded a new range of management skills programmes during 2006, which we further developed in 2007 and 2008. Our mentoring services, which are incredibly popular, were up by 17% overall during the year and they continue to grow. We approved almost €1 million in financial assistance, almost €425,000 of which is refundable. In that way, the money returns to our coffers and is recycled. In total, 63 projects were approved, which led to the creation of 137 jobs.

In terms of our soft skills supports, such as management training and mentoring, it is very hard to quantify the number of jobs that would be created through the provision of those services. However, we get incredibly positive feedback from clients who very often tell us that the supports they received or the advice given by mentors made an enormous difference in terms of them employing larger numbers of people. It is very hard to quantify the value of such supports, but they are significant nonetheless.

In terms of promoting an enterprise culture, as referred to by Mr. Patrick Lynch, training was very important. Approximately 800 people attended training courses, most of whom were owner-managers or people who were starting a business. The 2006 figure is a significant increase on 2005 and in 2007 we trained approximately 1,000 people, which is an increase of 20%. We have a training programme for 2008 which I will outline later.

We received an additional €20,000 towards the schools programme, which involved 23 schools and almost 2,000 pupils engaging with the schools enterprise awards and the enterprise encounter programme, in which there were 207 individual projects. The latter programme is very important for the development of entrepreneurship and getting the message across to schoolchildren that enterprise is an option for them. We also work with an organisation called Nifty, which deals with some of the disadvantaged schools in the Dublin area.

At third level we also organised a programme called enterprise encounter, which involved several role-model entrepreneurs, including Mr. Denis O'Brien, Mr. Brodie Sweeney and Mr. Bill Cullen, among others. That programme also helps to encourage entrepreneurship.

In terms of advice, information and mentoring, the office received in excess of 3,000 inquiries by telephone, e-mail and so on. We usually try to signal to clients where to go to find the necessary information. We introduced and redeveloped our website during 2006. We aimed to make it operate like an additional member of staff, which was a good way to approach it. We automated many of our bookings and provided a lot more information on the web, which has improved our throughput of work. We were able to divert many of our facilities to the website.

We produced six newsletters to inform the target market. We launched our e-zine, which is sent out every two weeks. In 2006 there were 182 mentoring assignments, an increase of 17%. I must highlight the fact that the Dublin board has only five members of staff, which when one considers the population, means we are underrepresented in terms of resources and staff. This puts additional pressure on those working in the Dublin office.

In terms of management development, FÁS has been of enormous assistance and supported our 2006 and 2007 training programmes. We are currently working on the programme for 2008. There has been some talk of cutbacks and the situation for 2009 is uncertain. We do not know how things will develop but at the moment, the demand exists for training and we certainly could be providing more. However, we are looking at the possibility of cutting back on management development training in this calendar year.

Incredible demand exists for assistance in terms of starting one's own business and we are continually adding additional programmes. In 2006 we conducted 12 start your own business programmes and this year we have organised 14 such programmes, which are already completely booked out until April. That gives members some idea of the level of demand in this area.

We have a full range of management skills programmes which we are constantly reviewing and developing in terms of adding additional topics and new ways to support business. We also have a range of training modules, which act almost like a pick and mix of various topics, as referred to in our report. Today, for example, our sales and selling programme is booked out, with 27 participants. Two weeks ago, we conducted a module on tax, which was also oversubscribed, with 30 participants.

We have a range of support networks which are targeted at different sectors. Such networks are incredibly important because they support business people and remove their isolation by providing them with information, advice and peer support. One of the key networks in operation is the Plato network, which is for those in business for three years or more, with three employees or more. It is a very successful programme and participants invariably give us positive feedback. The Women in Business network has grown substantially in recent years. Last year 120 women signed up for it. We also launched the Bright network, which is a Skillnets funded programme aimed at ICT companies, which often have a particular difficulty commercialising their businesses. Last year we launched a new network called Link because we found that those coming out of the start-up phase did not have anywhere to go and were becoming isolated. The Link network supports businesses during the phase between start-up and growth.

We will be involved in a new programme along the M1 corridor in conjunction with Fingal and Louth to support manufacturing companies, as the city's decline in the manufacturing sector is noticeable. Handy Baby was the overall winner of our awards, while the winner last year was the world street festival. The female entrepreneur award went to 3Q Catering, while the winner this year was Cush 'n Shade, which received funding on the "Dragon's Den" programme.

We get involved in exhibitions and events. In 2006, we sent nine clients to an ICT exhibition in Hong Kong, tying in with the business related initiative for technology-based enterprises, BRITE, programme. As a result, some people have succeeded in doing business in China. We support Dublin fashion week, as it is important to support the growing fashion and crafts sector. We are involved in the SHOP exhibition at the RDS for food companies. I have addressed the matter of financial assistance, but we awarded approximately €1 million in supports. I stated how many jobs have been created and we introduced website and export supports during the year. We focused on commercialisation of the 36 websites instead of using them as brochure catalogues. Some 19 export grants were issued for people to attend trade shows or to go abroad in their export attempts.

On the issue of costs, in terms of giving financial assistance, the consumer price index is an important issue that we would like to highlight. We will do anything we can to get a grip on the situation because we are competing internationally.

Before I call members, I acknowledge the co-operation and help the Dublin City Enterprise Board has given the committee and its secretariat. We appreciate that the documentation was submitted in a timely fashion.

I welcome the delegates from the Dublin City Enterprise Board. Their commitment to small businesses over the years has been fantastic and they have made a significant difference in the lives and communities of many. The high level of start-ups in the board's remit is one of the great news stories in the economy.

From my experience, the Terenure enterprise board is particularly good. Recently, it received funding for expansion. A challenge facing the Dublin City Enterprise Board is a lack of space. I attended a conference with Deputy Cyprian Brady in Killarney last week at which it was mentioned that there should be a role for the docklands or facilities should be made available to the enterprise board for the development of small local and start-up businesses in the docklands and expanding Poolbeg areas. It is important that the council on which Councillor Gerry Breen sits works with the docklands board to ensure space is made available. The docklands is about a whole community and small start-up businesses are important to it. The mentoring service is a fantastic facility — I know people who have availed of it and found it to be worthwhile. What challenges will face the board during the coming two, three or four years? I thank the delegates for the commitment they have shown small business people.

Does Mr. Lynch or Mr. Swift wish to answer?

Mr. Patrick Lynch

Does the Chairman wish us to take the questions as we go? It is probably the best way to do it.

Councillor Gerry Breen

There is no reason to deny that fantastic progress has been made. Speaking as a businessman, the cost of insurance has fallen by approximately two thirds since I set up the business five and a half years ago — mobile telephones, web-based proof of deliveries, new accountancy packages, the Revenue on-line service and the web-based Companies Registration Office. I was introduced to on-line banking 13 months ago and have written approximately four cheques in the past year. All I do is sign petty cash withdrawal slips. I wasted my life queuing in banks and, at the age of 50 years, discovered banking on-line. I do not do it, but a member of my staff does.

A significant challenge is enterprise space for businesses. As a Dublin-based enterprise board, a considerable factor is congestion and how it plays out for business. I am based in Balbriggan largely because two of my staff live there. As to whether I want to try to beat traffic into Dublin when I go to Balbriggan once per fortnight or so, I can leave Clontarf, pick up a coffee and be there in approximately half an hour, faster than it would take me to get from Clontarf to Dublin city centre.

Regarding difficulties with landlords, I am housed in an enterprise centre. If the landlord allows us to stay after four years and nine months, which is my current lease, will it grant me tenancy rights or should a waiver system in which tenants could be given their rights according to a timetable be used? Enterprise space in the digital hub in Dublin city centre is a significant issue. The council is considering special planning exemptions to allow set-up info-companies to use retail spaces for a short period before they can effectively operate as retail spaces. The question of space is the largest issue in my book. There have been considerable advantages and I am sure someone else will discuss broadband.

Mr. Patrick Lynch

Recently, we were asked to nominate someone to sit on the council of the Dublin Docklands Development Authority. As Ms Brophy kindly fills that role for us, she may respond to Deputy Andrews concerning the docklands area.

Ms Denise Brophy

The enterprise board carried out a study of the shortage of enterprise space in conjunction with the city council, which carried out a study also. The information has been passed on to the DDDA, identifying the docklands as an area with great potential to deliver enterprise space, particularly community-based space that can be supported by funding from us and Enterprise Ireland. A model would fit the DDDA and I hope the council, which is reviewing the development plan for the area, can incorporate it in its future development plans. Any support from the committee would be helpful.

We must ensure that this matter does not slip down the list of priorities because it is a considerable opportunity. Can the committee make a representation to the council and the authority outlining our support?

Ms Denise Brophy

Perhaps it could do so, on the basis of information and advise them that it has become aware of the shortage.

If Ms Brophy furnishes the committee with up-to-date information, we will help in any way we can given the constraints within which we work. She could extend to us an invitation to visit the area, as it could bring focus to the area and advance the matter.

Ms Denise Brophy

I would be delighted to do so.

Mr. Patrick Lynch

The enterprise space issue is broader than the question of the docklands. Perhaps Mr. Swift could speak for two or three minutes about what we found when we did a study of enterprise space requirements in the city. As I said at the beginning, our clients are being pressured in the search for places to start up their businesses. In response to that pressure, Mr. Swift commissioned a study that tried to identify the issues. At the end, I will add a comment about Dublin City Council's line of thinking because that is an integral part of this issue and the solutions to it. Mr. Swift will speak for two minutes about the report, which every member has a copy of.

That is right.

Mr. Greg Swift

We are dealing with this issue on a daily basis in the Dublin city office. A total of 46% considered that there was a scarcity of space in the city, while 12% would have considered that space was plentiful so there is a void in between. A total of 47% of those canvassed are looking to grow their businesses into space between 20 and 100 sq m so that is the size of unit they will be looking for in the next three to five years. A total of 90% of those surveyed want to expand so there is a constant demand. Most of them want to stay in Dublin city if they can. A total of 64% would like to own their own space. There is an ownership issue, which is probably good for businesses' security as they go forward.

The need is for roughly 20 to 100 sq m units. The survey points out that all the enterprise centres in the city are at full capacity at the moment and that there is significant demand and waiting lists.

On page 24 of our report, one can see that we compared change over six or seven years in the sectors in Dublin city. This is significant because the IT software sector went up 55%; arts and crafts fell by 50%; manufacturing fell by 50%; textiles and fashion fell by 40%; food businesses went up by 15%, which is probably largely to do with retail; health and child care went up by 60%; and multimedia dropped by 12%. We need to address the sectors that are declining because affordability and the cost of space is the significant factor here. Businesses cannot access affordable space to make it a profitable to do business, which is probably significant.

There is a recommendation that an attempt is made to develop at least two very significant enterprise centres and to focus some of the sectoral clusters. The companies would benefit considerably from this.

We are also involved in a project with five other European countries. These countries are ahead of us in terms of the way they go about supplying enterprise space. We have a chart that shows how difficult it is for companies to enter an incubation centre in Dublin city. This is not a problem in the other countries. They are carrying out the things we mentioned.

Mr. Patrick Lynch

The committee might think it is all about problems and very few solutions but we have regular meetings with John Tierney, the Dublin city manager, and Michael Stubbs, who is on our board, to keep them abreast of what we are doing and to find out what the issues for Dublin City Council are in many areas affecting entrepreneurship and start-up businesses.

One issue we discussed at our last meeting was the burning question of enterprise space. As Ms Brophy said, the council has carried out an examination of the issue. In future commercial developments, for example, where industrial areas will be zoned and developed as industrial complexes, the council is considering prescribing incubator space or space for small industry so that there is a provision akin to the affordable housing provision in developments that can be availed of by entrepreneurs or people starting up their businesses. This is just an idea at the moment and must be fleshed out. The council will have views about how it will be implemented but it is a positive step to address an issue that is bedevilling the city administrators and elected members, as well as our organisation, in trying to get businesses going.

It begs the fundamental question of who will fund these enterprise areas. We have already been involved in partnerships with Enterprise Ireland, Guinness in the Guinness Enterprise Centre and the enterprise centre in Terenure, as Deputy Chris Andrews is aware. We were partners in that, having received money through the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment. I do not know from where future funding will come and whether we can interest private sector people because the rents for these premises must be sensible and competitive for small business start-ups. That is another part of the dilemma. Who will fund these facilities and how will they be managed? It is an issue facing us which we must address.

I will take contributions from Deputy Cyprian Brady followed by Deputies White and Clune.

I thank Mr. Lynch and the rest of the representatives from the board. Like Deputy Chris Andrews, I have first-hand experience of the difference the board makes at a local level. Quite a number of the projects are in my constituency.

Premises and access to space are issues. I welcome the linking into the planning system and putting an onus on developers to provide space because there is a lack of co-operation from the private sector in respect of providing enterprise space.

Deputy Chris Andrews mentioned the docklands, which is significant for us because it is part of our area. I would like to link this with the Dublin Institute of Technology, DIT, development at Grangegorman, which is the largest single development in third-level education in the country. Again, there might be a model in the docklands which can be translated into the Grangegorman development because it will be extremely important. The DIT has always been closely linked to innovation, incubation and small businesses.

In respect of infrastructure in general, there are many plans for extending the Luas and the metro, which will obviously have an effect on business while they are being implemented. What is the board's input into the planning and management of that issue? Does the board have a role in it?

The submission mentioned new communities. Again, it is an issue for us in the centre of the city, which contains many new communities with a culture of business and the setting up of small businesses, be they retail or production based. How does Mr. Lynch envisage the board's role in this area in the future? Will the board become involved in it?

I also welcome the delegation from the Dublin City Enterprise Board. Coming from a rural constituency, it is very interesting to hear about the board's activities.

I am delighted to see that 60% of the board's start-up clients were women. It is wonderful that dogged, determined and different schemes are coming from women in business. This statistic stood out for me.

I also acknowledge, as did Mr. Swift, the support of FÁS. Members know the integral part FÁS plays in the development of all sorts of projects within our constituencies.

I am most interested in using the planning system to remove the obstacles to enterprise and how the system is seen as cumbersome, complex and lacking in clarity. Is Mr. Lynch talking about an overhaul of the Planning and Development Act 2000 or pushing through more projects under the critical infrastructure Bill or that type of fast-tracking of projects?

I smiled when I read the reference to broadband needing a boost. Coming from the area where I live, broadband is a dream at the other end of the rainbow. We must fast-track broadband, not just in the city. Small broadband projects, whether they are wireless, coming from dishes on our mountains or fibre-optic cables, they are the key to business. Coming from a business background I am very interested in what the board is doing and I might be able to poach some ideas for my constituency. I thank the representatives for coming in this morning.

We will discuss the obstacles and impediments in the second half of the discussion. I do not want repetition in that regard. In fairness to the participants, they will stay on so they can hold Deputy White's question in reserve until we get into the main debate on obstacles and impediments, which is a relevant question.

Mr. Patrick Lynch

I will answer Deputy Cyprian Brady's questions. Mea culpa- I forgot to mention DIT. We have very close relationships with DIT. We had a meeting with it regarding its development plans for the incubation space in the new development of Grangegorman. It will be critical in the north side of the city, which is a black spot for us in terms of available and affordable space for our entrepreneurs. I thank the Deputy for reminding me of that. We have a relationship with DIT which is ongoing.

The Deputy mentioned planning. This is an idea that is being considered and I would not want people to believe it has been written in tablets of stone. The way the city council administrative people are developing their thought processes it has a long way to go before it is policy and it might be part of the next development plan. Councillor Breen might want to comment on that.

The new Irish citizens, the migrant workers, is an important element and it is becoming more so for us. Mr. Swift will comment on our recent experiences in that area.

On Deputy White's question on the women, some years ago when there was pressure on the labour force numbers and capacity in Ireland, it was recognised generally, not just by us, that there was an enormous cohort of potential workers available in terms of the women who wished to go back to work but who were not being facilitated in that. We took a reverse discrimination approach to encouraging women back to work and the women's network that Mr. Swift spoke about earlier is a wonderful success. That is getting women back to work into a flexible working arrangement. The buzz at those meetings is tangible. I reiterate that FÁS's contribution enables us to produce double the number of training programmes we would produce if we were to rely solely on the grants we get from Enterprise Ireland. It has a significant role to play for us and with us.

Councillor Gerry Breen

On Deputy Mary White's question, that was the result of some research with business people. They were unsolicited comments. That is what they felt. Rather than dismiss it by saying we will always have the moaners, similar to what we have in Dublin City Council, where two planners assist community groups in dealing with large-scale applications, which is unique in the country, we might make someone commercially specific to an entrepreneur in that he or she could call on someone and ask what they have to do to get started. Many problems arise due to the lapse of time, entrepreneurs being given wrong information or they are paying for a lease and they cannot open their premises. I will propose to the city council a type of one stop shop that will give them a straight answer in terms of what they do or do not have to do. These were small businesses. The strategic infrastructure Act is probably sufficiently wide, certainly for the medium and long term, without spreading--

(Interruptions).

I do not believe we would advocate that, Councillor Breen.

Mr. Greg Swift

On the new Irish, in recent years the number of people coming into our office who are not Irish has grown. We did a check on last year's figures and found that almost 20% of our clients that were mentored last year were the new Irish, as we are calling them. We broke it down into the different categories and many issues arise from this because we are not allowed support anyone who is not from the European Union. If they come in looking for financial support, unless they have got business permission it can cause problems. It is one of the barriers for these people. We have to check that out. It is a type of legal requirement that we must ensure they have business permission before we entertain anybody. It is a difficult and awkward situation.

In terms of the EU, there is a major demand for services from the non-nationals. The English language is a big problem. We are examining different ways of integrating the new Irish into our "start your own business" programmes and are developing various programmes for that.

I welcome the representatives of the Enterprise Board and thank them for their submissions. We had an outline of what they are doing and I congratulate them on that. I note in 2006 the board created 137 jobs. In regard to the start-ups, is there ongoing follow up and support for the groups? Are they just assisted in the start-up and then left on their own? I would have thought there would be many obstacles along the way so perhaps the representatives might expand on that aspect.What about businesses that did not succeed, if 137 jobs were created? Does the board have any figures on that for the year we are talking about, which is 2006?

I did not realise, Chairman, that we would not talk about obstacles in this part of the meeting but I would like some information on that area.

I appreciate that.

I, too, welcome the deputation from the enterprise board. Will they expand somewhat on the level of co-operation that exists with other enterprise boards? They mentioned Fingal and Louth in the context of the M1 corridor in regard to manufacturing. They might expand on what is going on in that regard.

In terms of the lack of space, and Councillor Breen referred to the fact that a city business is effectively operating in Fingal, is there a case for a greater Dublin enterprise board or is there any level of competition in that context?

There is much national concern about the loss of manufacturing jobs, particularly in respect of multinationals. What are the representatives finding on the ground in terms of people coming to them with manufacturing ideas?

Mr. Greg Swift

In regard to tracking jobs, we did a major tracking two years ago. We found that being a city board it can be very difficult. People start up but because of the enterprise space problem they move out and it is difficult to track them afterwards. Sometimes they change the name of the enterprise. When we support them initially it could be under their name but they might start a company under another name following that. It is difficult to keep track of them. The numbers and the growth is significant in terms of the ones we are able to track. We have a report on that from 2005 which I can provide to the members. It indicates the ones we were able to track and some of them have gone on to employ 30 people where we were supporting only one job. There is that element to it. It is swings and roundabouts, so to speak, but it is difficult to track. Sometimes we support a feasibility study that may not proceed while at other times we support a project that becomes a major project. I do not know if that answers the Deputy's question.

It does in that there is at least some awareness of it.

I can appreciate that it can be difficult if they move out of the jurisdiction.

Councillor Gerry Breen

There is also a networking system funded by the enterprise board, called Plato. It is very strong in Cork. It encourages problem sharing. People tend to dismiss networks but those who join tend to be interested in best practice. There is a facility for grant-aiding for web design and e-training, which I have done, although I did not receive funding for it.

Mr. Patrick Lynch

I wish to make a final point with regard to what Deputy Clune said. One of our main concerns is sustainability. Are these jobs sustainable and will the businesses grow? We keep track of those in which we have preference shares, as allowed under the Act. We receive annual accounts every year and if we see that the company is in difficulty, we assign a mentor to it to assist in particular areas. We are conscious of this aspect. Tracking small enterprises which begin in one place and move to a more convenient location is difficult. We try to do so but the question is relevant in respect of sustainability.

Mr. Swift will answer the question on collaboration with other boards, which is fundamental to us.

Mr. Greg Swift

I referred to the upcoming project which examines manufacturing along the M1 corridor and covers Fingal, Louth and Meath. It is a Skillnet funded project. In the Dublin region the Plato project is under way, covering the four boards. It is working well. The BRITE project is another Skillnets project and involves ICT companies and is shared by the four boards.

We also work on trade shows such as the SHOP exhibition and programmes shared with other boards. The boards of all regions meet five times per year. These meetings involve much collaboration and sharing and if one board has a successful programme, we tap into it. The DCEB "Start Your Own Business" programme has been developed as a national programme. The sharing is significant and we are in constant contact with our neighbours.

The enterprise bus was launched the week before last and involves 13 boards. It travels around the country over two weeks. In Dublin city we are under pressure to deliver the services we provide. Our board could use additional resources to deliver the services required.

Does the Skillnets programme concern training for existing manufacturing jobs?

Mr. Greg Swift

It concerns training and development but networking is involved also. It is not a perfect fit. Plato was a better fit for supporting owner-managers but we tap into it. Skillnet tends not to approve such projects first; it is at the end of the approvals for owner-manager projects.

Statistics show a 50% decline in manufacturing in the Dublin city area. There is no space — any shed that a machine could have been put into is no longer available. The ICT and software businesses are growing and take up the slack in terms of business.

That concludes the first part of the meeting.

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