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JOINT COMMITTEE ON ENTERPRISE, TRADE AND EMPLOYMENT debate -
Wednesday, 8 Apr 2009

Organisation of Working Time Directive: Discussion with Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment.

The Chairman, Deputy Penrose, has sent an apology for his absence.

I welcome Mr. Michael Cunniffe, principal officer, Mr. Frank Doheny, assistant principal officer, and Mr. Kieron Bradford, higher executive officer, from the employment rights section of the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment. I draw their attention to the fact that while members of the committee have absolute privilege, this privilege does not apply to witnesses appearing before the committee. Members are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that they should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the Houses or an official by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable. I invite Mr. Cunniffe to make his presentation.

Mr. Michael Cunniffe

I regret that our basic statement did not reach the joint committee until this morning. We sent it in good faith by e-mail yesterday evening.

I thank the committee for presenting us with the opportunity to elaborate on recent developments and the current state of play regarding the sensitive dossier on working time. The proposals on the table are the result of the work of six EU Presidencies and numerous and prolonged meetings of many working groups of COREPER and the Council. We are now at the final stages of conciliation, with negotiations being conducted between the Council and the European Parliament. Members have a copy of a short note for information which my Department has provided and should have to hand a copy of a two-page note prepared and circulated by the Department of Health and Children with a specific focus on the situation regarding working time as it relates to non-consultant hospital doctors, a topical item.

Before I comment on the current proposals for an amending directive on the organisation of working time, it is necessary to put the proposed revisions to the rules on working time in context. Ireland, with other EU member states, has a comprehensive set of rules on working time based on various EU instruments, commencing with the core directive which dates back to 1993. The terms of these directives were transposed into Irish law with the enactment in 1997 of legislation, namely, the Organisation of Working Time Act 1997. The legislation sets core standards to protect the health and safety of workers based on working time and rest periods. For example, it sets the maximum working week at 48 hours averaged generally over a four-month reference period as a core provision.

By way of derogation, as provided for in the original directive, the reference period can be averaged over six months for certain defined sectors. This arises in the case of activities involving the need for continuity of service or production, such as is the case with dock and airport workers, gas, water and electricity production or industries where work cannot be easily interrupted on technical grounds or where there is a foreseeable surge of activity such as agriculture or tourism. It is also possible to extend the average working period to 12 months by means of a collective agreement between employers and workers in the sector which must be approved by the Labour Court. Currently, over 70 such agreements are registered with the Labour Court covering a wide range of activities, principally under the headings of agriculture and construction and which, based on the most recent data, apply to some 120,000 workers.

Furthermore, the 1997 Act clearly sets out employees' entitlements to daily and weekly rest breaks, annual leave, night work and shift work entitlements. These robust provisions are backed up by strong enforcement mechanisms within which workers can vindicate their rights. They can, for example, make a complaint to a rights commissioner in respect of breaches of the provisions of the 1997 Act. Under the terms of the legislation, employers are required to keep correct and prescribed records of employee attendance, holidays taken, etc. Labour inspectors have powers to examine records held by employers in respect of the working time of individual employees to ensure the terms of the Act are being complied with. The Labour Relations Commission hears approximately 1,500 cases per year under the Act.

Since 2005 the European Union has conducted a review of certain aspects of this key legislation, arising from a built-in review clause relating to the continued application of the individual opt-out from the 48-hour average working week and key judgments of the European Court of Justice in 2003 and 2004 in respect of on-call time. The SiMAP and Jaeger cases raised a number of issues in this regard.

The Commission commenced the review process in 2004 with a period of public consultation, followed in 2005 by a first set of draft proposals, during the First Reading of which the European Parliament proposed amendments. There have been prolonged and detailed discussions on these revised proposals, conducted by no less than six EU Presidencies, culminating in June 2008 when Ministers for Labour reached agreement by majority vote on a Council Common Position on certain core matters, including the opt-out from the 48-hour rule in respect of on-call time and compensatory rest. The European Parliament, meeting in plenary session in December 2008, disagreed with and proposed a range of amendments to several aspects of the Council Common Position.

I will now elaborate on the Council's and the European Parliament's position on a number of these core aspects. The opt-out was provided for in the original directive of 1993 and allows for individuals who wish to do so to opt out from the average 48-hour working week, without limitation to the hours to be worked beyond the maximum. Ireland has not availed of the opt-out in its transposing legislation. At the time of enactment of the 1977 Act the then Minister for labour affairs indicated that Ireland would not avail of the opt-out as the 1977 Act was effectively a worker health and safety measure and, therefore, it was not appropriate to provide for an opt-out.

The position adopted by EU Ministers in June 2008 would allow member states who wish to do so to provide for an opt-out from the 48-hour rule by individual workers but with new built in safeguards and limitations, stricter reference periods and review and evaluation clauses. These are designed to act as further constraints against unlimited and irregular working hours which may be to the detriment of the health and safety of workers concerned. Under the opt-out provision in the original 1993 EU directive for individual workers, there is no limitation on hours worked, whereas a cap of generally 60 or, in certain circumstances, 65 hours is now being proposed in the Council Common Position. One can see the evolution of thinking in that area. The European Parliament, on the other hand, is strongly opposed to the continuation of the opt-out and has proposed amendments to the Council Common Position which would have the overall effect of terminating the possibility for member states to avail of the use of the opt-out three years after the amending proposal, namely, the revised directive, enters into force. In this regard the core proposal of the European Parliament is set out under amendment No. 16.

With regard to on-call time, Ministers have sought to distinguish between active and inactive periods of on-call time at the workplace. Their proposal creates a new category of on-call time, the inactive period, during which the worker is available in the workplace but might not carry out any duties. The Council position is that the inactive part of on-call time should not be considered as working time unless, in accordance with national law and practice, a collective agreement or an agreement between the social partners provides otherwise. There would be an element of national call on this in various member states. The Parliament, on the other hand, has opposed this approach and proposed that the entire period of on-call time, including the inactive part, be deemed to be working time and cannot be deemed to be rest time.

With regard to the issue of compensatory rest and the timing of compensatory rest, many member states have difficulty with compensatory rest occurring immediately following the duty period, as envisaged in the European Court of Justice in the cases I mentioned. EU Ministers sought that such rest be granted within a reasonable period, determined by national legislation, collective agreement or in agreement between the social partners. Again, there would be a devolved approach to this. The Parliament considers that compensatory rest should be granted to workers following periods of time spent on duty. There is significant divergence between the two approaches.

In view of the differences between the Council and Parliament, it has been necessary to move to the next and final stage of conciliation between the co-legislators on this dossier. Negotiations are also conducted by the EU Presidency in what is termed an informal trialogue format where the Presidency, following agreement with member states at COREPER on the Council mandate, bring the position of Council to the negotiations with the representatives of Parliament. These initial informal trialogue meetings usually precede the more formal conciliation sessions. To date two rounds of conciliation have taken place, on 17 March and 1 April, but without any breakthrough.

I should say a few words on the role of the European Commission at this stage. The Commission sees itself as playing a key role as honest broker and, in co-operation with the Czech Presidency and in accordance with its treaty obligations, is assisting the co-legislators in arriving at agreement on this important amending proposal. On 4 February this year the Commission issued its opinion on the way forward towards adoption of the revised directive. In effect, as regards the possibilities of finding agreement between the Council and the Parliament on the dossier, the European Commission is of the view that the Council should move towards the Parliament's position with regard to on-call time with the Parliament moving towards the Council regarding the opt-out.

This approach on these core aspects, together with the movement proposed on other elements of the dossier, is designed to obtain a successful conclusion to the outcome of the conciliation phase, leading to the adoption of the revised directive. The Commission does not see the necessary support in the Council for ending the opt-out; it feels a review clause should be retained.

The Czech Presidency has convened several meetings of COREPER in recent weeks to develop the Council mandate for negotiations with the European Parliament in preparation for the conciliation phase. Clearly the Council Common Position provides a useful base from which to consider further adjustments that will be needed. These will lead to the compromise necessary for a successful conclusion of the dossier at conciliation. In preparation for conciliation, member states have considered each of the core issues to achieve the balance necessary for a sustainable compromise that can lead to the adoption of the amending directive. With this approach in mind I will outline the most recent developments at conciliation.

Member states have moved towards the European Parliament's position in several areas. An agreement between the Council and the European Parliament on on-call time looks feasible; the Parliament wants inactive on-call time to be considered as working time, but on less than an hour for hour basis towards working time limits. This conception of equivalence has opened up the possibility for a compromise on this core aspect.

Member states are considering a re-formulation of the wording of the Parliament amendment on compensatory rest. A possibility is that, as a general rule, compensatory rest must follow the period of duty. However, national laws or collective agreements could provide that in certain sectors of activity compensatory rest could be taken within what is termed "a reasonable period". Again, according to the Commission, any solution in this regard needs legal clarity on timing and must ensure flexibility for workers in organising work patterns.

With regard to the reconciliation of work and family life, member states do not want to introduce excessive burdens on businesses. Nevertheless, aspects of the Parliament's position are being considered, particularly those dealing with a worker's right to have a request in this area fairly considered by an employer.

These points represent the positive aspects achieved to date in COREPER discussions between member states; they will help develop the Council mandate and the follow-on negotiations between the Council and Parliament at conciliation. However, the challenge remains to find a suitable compromise on the opt-out, which is a core issue. The Presidency is currently in intensive discussions with member states on a weekly basis to obtain the necessary consensus on the Council mandate in advance of the regular informal trialogue and formal Council negotiations. In this regard a substantial effort has been made by member states at COREPER aimed at strengthening the value to the Parliament of the review clause. This is a major focus of the approach by the Presidency, the Commission and member states aimed at forging a compromise between the two institutions on this important aspect of the amending directive. This has been the clear focus of the Commission from the outset.

Regarding the next steps, negotiations between the Council and Parliament are ongoing. Clearly there are challenges for all concerned relating to the successful conclusion of conciliation and the adoption of the amending directive. A further trialogue is scheduled for 15 April and this will strive for a compromise solution on outstanding matters, particularly the opt-out. Any such solution must aim at achieving the necessary overall balance to arrive at a sustainable compromise on this dossier. The challenge remains and is formidable.

It is obviously a complicated and detailed area. Could Mr. Cunniffe tell us whether agreement will be reached in the near future? Could this go on until next year?

Mr. Michael Cunniffe

My colleagues, Mr. Frank Doheny and Mr. Kieron Bradford, are involved in this on a daily basis and are very knowledgeable in the area. I will invite them to contribute. The key point at this stage is the imminence of the European elections. While we on this side of the table may not know much about elections, we know they are scheduled and provide a deadline that should concentrate the minds of all concerned. In that context, I do not know what is the thinking of the different parties to the negotiations. There is no guarantee that agreement will be reached before the elections.

When is the mandate of the European Parliament due to end? The elections are due to be held on 5 June.

Mr. Frank Doheny

The current mandate for the European Parliament comes to an end on 1 May.

Therefore, if there is no agreement on 15 April, it is unlikely we will have agreement.

Mr. Frank Doheny

On 15 April there will be an informal trialogue when, I hope, positive compromises will emerge that will allow us to move to the next phase, conciliation. There must be a conciliation meeting and I understand one has been tentatively scheduled for 21 April. This will depend on the outcome of the trialogue on 15 April.

Mr. Michael Cunniffe

As I mentioned, this issue has proved particularly difficult to resolve. It has gone through six, if not seven, Presidencies and has worn down the best efforts of those involved to find a solution. There appears to be a considerable gulf between certain member states. It would not be an overstatement to describe it as an ideological gulf in approach, particularly on the issue of the opt-out. There is no guarantee that, even with goodwill, the matter can be resolved by the current efforts. However, they will certainly continue right up to 1 May.

The committee regularly comes across the issue of the effect of directives, particularly the working time directive, on the way people do business and employ staff. A key point in the Department's presentation is that the directive must ensure flexibility which is vital. That is the key to the issue. We constantly come across employers and employees crying out for flexibility, but, unfortunately, their hands are tied. Whatever negotiations take place, flexibility must be built into the provisions, particularly in the current climate and from an Irish perspective. Discussions are ongoing but there is a need to come to agreement on the various aspects before final implementation. Will flexibility be maintained in the new directive?

Mr. Frank Doheny

The current directive dates from 1993 and has distinct features. Flexibilities are built into it, for example, the 48-hour rule over a four-month reference period. However, swathes of industry are allowed a six-month or even a 12-month reference period. These issues are further explored in the revised directive. I believe it provides, for example, with regard to on-call time, where someone is inactive, it would be deemed to be working time. However, flexibility is provided in the sense that when it comes to the calculation of working time, it is not done on an hour-by-hour basis.

Therefore, it does not have to be subsequent to the particular period of work.

Mr. Frank Doheny

Other aspects relate to the reconciliation of work and family life. While the amending directive tries to introduce the flexibilities required by workers, at the same time it tries not to place too many burdens on employers. People can ask to have patterns of work changed but the change would have to take account of the exigencies of business needs. That is a further aspect of the reconciliation of work and family life — the right of an employee to ask to have patterns of work changed. This is also a key feature of the amending directive.

There has been a difficulty with some European Court of Justice cases with regard to compensatory rest periods and their timing where people work long hours. The rulings of the European Court of Justice in the SIMAP and Jaeger cases stated that compensatory rest must be provided following the period of the large shift. This is proving a difficulty for many member states, particularly in the health care sector and sectors involved with rostering arrangements. This amending directive has tried to grapple with these issues.

Overarching the whole area is the issue of the opt-out. The European Parliament has insisted the opt-out should go, whereas the approach adopted by the Council is that it should be retained as enough member states wish to do so. It would be difficult to get the Council's agreement to have the opt-out abolished. In designing the new opt-out, the amending directive has a set of new limitations and safeguards in its use. That is the trade-off between the two sides.

Ireland did not choose to take up the position of an opt-out in 1997. Does Mr. Doheny feel that in the current economic situation this might change and Ireland may have to revisit its position?

Mr. Frank Doheny

No, this has been standard policy since the transposition of the directive.

With the advent of the National Employment Rights Authority and each individual case having to be brought to the Labour Relations Commission, is there a backlog in dealing with cases?

Mr. Frank Doheny

I am not aware of any delays. Of the 1,500 cases, approximately 50% relate to straightforward issues such as holiday pay and entitlements. We have no indications, either through representations or parliamentary questions, that there is a delay in this aspect of the commission's work.

With regard to non-consultant hospital doctors, it was my understanding that their working hours were an arrangement between the Health Service Executive, the Minister and the individual doctor. With this directive, it is now covered by European law and it is up to Ireland to adopt these new regulations. That has been agreed with the non-consultant doctors. Will Mr. Doheny give more details on this?

There has been much emphasis on employees but employers also have a role. It is important for employers to be fairly represented. How many of the cases taken to the Labour Relations Commission on holiday time or other matters go against an employer?

Mr. Frank Doheny

I do not have the specific information the Deputy is requesting to hand. There are 1,500 cases of which 47% relate to holiday issues. The holiday parameters are laid down in legislation or agreed between employers and employees. If they are the subject of dispute, it is ruled on by the Labour Relations Commission.

Junior hospital doctors are brought within the ambit of the Organisation of Working Time Act 1997. The original directive dates from 1993 but it was a subsequent directive that brought junior hospital doctors within the ambit of the organisation of working time legislation. Special facilities have been provided for doctors to comply with the 48-hour rule. The note indicates at what stage Irish doctors are. There is also a possibility that infringement procedures could be taken against those member states that do not abide by the 48-hour rule. There is the two-page note from the Department of Health and Children which has official responsibility, but beyond that note I do not have the ability to talk about the subject.

Mr. Michael Cunniffe

As the note indicates, we have moved into the area of industrial relations. The IMO has voted in favour of industrial action up to and including an all-out strike if the HSE unilaterally imposes changes in conditions of employment. It has been a contentious issue in that arena for some time.

It is a severe change in practices and tradition.

Mr. Michael Cunniffe

It will pose significant challenges for all of us. There are funding issues also within the health system, with which we are not familiar on a day-to-day basis. I would not underestimate it as an issue.

Mr. Kieron Bradford

To deal with the Vice Chairman's question on flexibility, under the Organisation of Working Time Act 1997, it is possible to average the 48-hour working week over 12 months but one must go to the Labour Court and obtain a collective agreement providing for this. Under the amending directive being discussed in the European Union, it will be possible to legislate for that 12-month reference period and the obligation to go to the Labour Court will be removed.

It will be built into the legislation.

Mr. Kieron Bradford

Yes.

I thank the officials for their work during six Presidencies and at God knows how many meetings, which was some sacrifice. I am concerned that we are again imposing increased burdens and costs on business such that we will probably have to set up some agency to monitor it all and more inspections will be needed. Has work been done in the Department on the impact of this measure in terms of the cost on business, particularly small businesses? Have the employer organisations been involved in consultations either at Irish or European level?

Will we transpose the directive line by line, word by word and practice by practice into Irish legislation, which was a major issue during the first Lisbon treaty referendum last year? In doing so, given that other European countries only transpose the spirit of legislation, we will put ourselves at a competitive disadvantage. Has the Department undertaken an impact assessment, first, of the cost involved and, second, the extra regulation required in implementation of the proposal?

Mr. Michael Cunniffe

Before transposing the legislation, we will first have to see what it contains and we may have to transpose it as such. Most of the proposals do not suggest major changes in our arrangements, although some do. However, not to have availed of the opt-out is a key aspect for us. If there were to be changes in this regard, it would pose a bigger challenge — I was going to use the word "threat" — for other member states.

In terms of the regulatory burden, at this juncture anything that arises will not be too large. We have been trying to decide which areas are most likely to be affected but not a great deal of information is available. The health service is the biggest sector affected. We thought some sectors such as transport might pose particular challenges but part of the difficulty is that we have not been able to obtain much hard information on the sectors which may be affected by the proposed changes. Generally, when an issue such as this has been teased out in public for so long, various interests are awakened to their own position and not slow to have their case heard.

Does Mr. Doheny wish to deal with the issue of the social partners?

Mr. Frank Doheny

As required under the directive, from time to time the European Commission asks for national reports on implementation of the directive to be developed and sent to it. We do this as a matter of course and in so doing consult the social partners which inform us how implementation, in practice and otherwise, is proceeding. It is fair to suggest in regard to social partnership that ICTU for its part would wish to see us maintaining our position on the opt-out, as we have from 1997, and not availing of it. IBEC has two points to make. I refer to the reference period used at the moment for the 48-hour rule being at the level of four months — there are some derogations of six months and 12 months as mentioned in our presentation. IBEC would rather see a general 12-month rule. However, as Mr. Bradford has explained, there is facility to apply this 12-month rule within the new revised directive.

The other feature which IBEC and, in particular, the Small Firms Association raises is the interpretation of the directive. It is complicated legislation and that is fine if a company has a large human resources department, but it can be difficult for a small employer. There is an issue about interpretation and application and there is a possible issue about filling out what we call the OWT1 form which records the hours of work.

How many forms are there?

Mr. Frank Doheny

There is just one form. It is a prescribed form which the two sides of industry and the social partners were involved in drawing up. It is a matter for the employers themselves. It is not necessary to complete that form if there is an electronic clocking-in system. However, it will be an issue and it has been raised in our better regulation forum.

Has the Department examined the cost implications for small business and on business generally of the implementation?

Mr. Frank Doheny

We are at the very fluid stage of this directive. We are at the final hurdle in the process as it is at conciliation, but we do not know what will emerge. In the transposition of the directive and when the directive is finally adopted, the Department will have to do its standard regulatory impact assessment which will be based on how we propose to transpose the aspects of the directive that are required to be transposed into our legislation and amend our current 1997 Act.

On that point, would the Department not do the regulatory assessment before the conciliation so that the Minister can fight for a better deal?

Mr. Frank Doheny

A lot of things can happen before conciliation. We have been going through this process and it has been over and back. All aspects of this directive have been amended at various stages. For instance, on on-call time, it could equally have arisen that the inactive part of on-call time could have been deemed to be working time. However, as we see in the conciliation process, there has to be some give by the Council towards the Parliament on that point. We do not know what is going to emerge as a final directive.

Mr. Michael Cunniffe

If I remember correctly, after the court cases in 2003 and 2004 to which we referred and in subsequent negotiations I think the health sector which appears to be the area most affected produced costings as to the impact on the Irish health system and the possible demands on the Exchequer of moving towards the areas indicated by the court. I think these issues are very much alive in discussions between the Department of Health and Children, the HSE and hospital doctors. As far as we can see, that is the area most clearly affected in sectoral terms. I have in the past seen costings which showed very quickly what it would take to move to the desired position.

I thank Mr. Cunniffe, Mr. Doheny and Mr. Bradford for assisting us. The committee has a particular interest in this area. I ask them to consider returning to brief the committee when events move on.

I propose the committee notes the presentation from the Department on COM (2005) 246 and notifies the Joint Committee on European Scrutiny. Is that agreed? Agreed.

The joint committee went into private session at 11.05 a.m. and adjourned at 11.10 a.m. until 10 a.m. on Wednesday, 29 April 2009.
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