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JOINT COMMITTEE ON ENTERPRISE, TRADE AND EMPLOYMENT debate -
Tuesday, 8 Dec 2009

ICT Standardisation in the EU: Discussion.

I welcome Ms Helen Curley, principal officer, and Mr. Brendan Smith, assistant principal, from the National Standards Authority of Ireland, NSAI, liaison and standards section from the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment, and Mr. Maurice Buckley, chief executive officer, and Mr. Enda McDonnell, director of standards, from the NSAI.

I draw witnesses' attention to the fact that members of the committee have absolute privilege but this same privilege does not apply to witnesses appearing before the committee. Members are reminded of the parliamentary practice that they should not comment on, criticise or make charges against any person outside the House or of any official either by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable.

We will first take Ms Curley's opening statement on behalf of the Department. Mr. Buckley may then make his make a statement on behalf of the authority. Members may then put questions to our guests.

Ms Helen Curley

I thank the committee for the opportunity to address it in respect of its consideration of the White Paper on ICT standardisation. I will first provide a brief outline of the importance of the ICT sector to the economy. Following on from this, I intend to give members some background information on the standardisation process as it operates in the EU, and the key aspects and goals of the White Paper.

Globally, the software and information industries are recognised as key drivers of the new knowledge economy and are among the fastest growing and most innovative industries in the world. Total global spending on ICT increased from $2.1 trillion in 2001 to $3.4 trillion in 2007. It is estimated that the growth of the industry will reach $4.4 trillion by 2011 at a compound annual growth rate of 7.7%.

The ICT sector is of vital strategic importance to the Irish economy. The current economic crisis has not altered this position. There are 110 foreign owned ICT companies in Ireland, including global leaders such as Microsoft, Intel, Dell, Google, IBM and others. There are also 660 indigenous software companies operating in a wide range of areas of activity. Figures from Forfás indicate that in 2008, total exports for agency-assisted companies in ICT services and manufacturing were €65 billion. Employment in these companies was 81,000.

Voluntary standards development has been one of the key building blocks of the Internal Market, with consensus standards underpinning the essential requirements of the European directives. The new approach introduced in the 1980s speeded up the EU legislative process by confining the legislative requirements to the bare minimum, with the technical details filled in by voluntary consensus standards. Many European standards are developed according to mandates from the European Commission so that European public policy guides the standards' work.

The flexible instrument of standards development is administered at European level by European standardisation organisations, known as ESOs, and facilitated at national level by national standards bodies, such as the National Standards Authority of Ireland, NSAI. The global level is administered by organisations such as the International Organisation for Standardisation, ISO, of which the NSAI is a member.

In developed countries such as Ireland, where technological improvement constitutes the main source of growth, standardisation contributes directly to pushing back technological frontiers, thereby benefiting the greatest number of people. Just like patents, voluntary standards are a way of codifying knowledge. Standards work in tandem with innovation and, because they enable companies to share innovation while developing good market practice, are also a means of disseminating it.

The development of European standards, called European norms or ENs, is open to delegates from all member states and the processes are open, transparent and inclusive. For example, there is provision for the representation of consumers, environmental interests and SMEs. In Ireland, the NSAI operates a number of consultative committees to provide input into European standards. Many Irish business people, including entrepreneurs from SMEs, and innovators take advantage of the fact that it is relatively easy in Ireland to gain direct access to European standards committees rather than, as might happen in the larger economies, working through a trade or industry association. European norms pass through different drafting stages with public consultation and national voting before final approval. These iterative processes help to ensure that the final standard is top quality and that products or services meeting the standard are fit for the purpose. I am accompanied by Mr. Enda McDonnell, director of standards at the NSAI, and he will be happy to answer any questions the committee may have on the standardisation process.

To turn to the White Paper, current ICT standards have been largely developed by industry fora and consortia outside Europe and without European public policy involvement. Consortia have been credited with producing fast, market-responsive documents, which have achieved widespread acceptance. However, these standards are not referenced EU standards. A referenced standard is a standard, the reference of which has been published in the official journal with an indication of the directive for which the presumption of conformity should apply. The European standardisation system has to adapt to the needs of fast-changing high-tech sectors. Examples given in the White Paper are e-health, accessibility, security, e-business, e-Government and transport.

Following a review of the current EU standardisation policy, the Commission brought forward the White Paper to determine the degree of consensus on “policy choices and specific measures that would help the European ICT standardisation policy to better respond to industry and societal needs”. I will comment briefly on the key aspects of the modernisation of ICT standards, as identified in the White Paper. The Commission suggests that four attributes should be applied to ICT standards. The first is openness. The White Paper suggests that the standard setting process be open to all interested parties and relevant stakeholders. This is important because if a standards body were able to preclude certain firms, it could be exposed to accusations of industry cartelisation. The second attribute is consensus. The standardisation process should be collaborative and consensus-based and should not favour any particular stakeholder.

The third attribute is balance. The standardisation process should be accessible at any stage of development and decision-making process to the relevant stakeholders. The participation of all interested categories of stakeholders should be sought with a view to achieving balance. The fourth attribute is transparency. The standardisation process should be accessible to all interested parties and all information concerning technical discussions and decision-making should be archived and identified. Information on new standardisation activities should be widely announced through suitable and accessible means.

These four attributes of openness, consensus, balance and transparency are the guiding principles for standardisation and are enshrined in the WTO criteria for international standardisation. In addition, the Commission recommends that the following attributes are reflected in the standards,namely, those of maintenance, availability, intellectual property rights, relevance, neutrality and stability, and quality. These attributes are supported by a large number of stakeholders, and we agree with their integration into future ICT standardisation policy in Europe.

Referencing standards in public procurement is identified in the White Paper as an important aid to public authorities in specifying requirements. Public authorities normally reference standards as a guide but allow tenderers to offer an equivalent solution which achieves the same end. However, when acquiring ICT services and products, additional requirements may prevail. Council Decision 87/95/EC lays down current standardisation policy in the field of ICT, recognises the specificities of the ICT domain and provides guidance for the public procurement of ICT systems. It emphasises the importance of interoperability and encourages reference to functional standards to achieve that objective. However, the decision is outdated since it focuses on products and not on services and applications as used today. The Commission suggests updating the public procurement provisions of Council decision so that public authorities can more easily acquire ICT services, applications and products that fulfil their specific requirements. The Department would agree with the proposal to update the decision, although a final position would await consideration of the terms of the Commission's amended proposal.

Standards may be used to translate research results into practical applications and this is recognised in the White Paper. The Commission proposes initiatives to link ICT standardisation and ICT research and development early in the research life cycle. The issue of translating research results into commercialisation opportunities is one of the most important aspects of research policy. A range of approaches are used to facilitate and encourage this. In Ireland, our research funding agencies such as Science Foundation Ireland and Enterprise Ireland include measures in their programmes to support this. Standardisation is another means of facilitating this translation. For example, open platforms are essential for user-driven innovation, to foster innovation uptake on a large scale within the EU.

The Government has devoted considerable resources to ICT research and development and encourages all Government agencies involved in research and development and standardisation to pursue initiatives to bring the fruits of research into the standardisation arena for the overall benefit of Irish researchers and businesses introducing innovative products and services.

The Commission, in this White Paper, suggests regularly consulting standardisation and research stakeholders to ensure that relevant European research initiatives contribute most effectively to ICT standardisation activities. The Department agrees fully with the intent of this recommendation but reserves Ireland's position on the actual mechanism for this consultation. Such a mechanism should contribute to communication without introducing more bureaucracy for researchers and standardisers.

In regard to intellectual property rights, as the White Paper states: "IPR has an important role in standardisation in order to respect proprietary rights covering technology solutions needed for interoperability." In general, European standardisation policy allows proprietary technologies to be incorporated into standards. The Commission suggests that ICT standards developing organisations should, subject to competition law and respecting the owner's intellectual property rights, implement clear transparent and balanced IPR policies. It is also suggested that consideration be given to a declaration of the most restrictive licensing terms, possibly including the maximum royalty rates before adoption of a standard as a potential route to providing more predictability and transparency.

The IPR situation is more complex for ICT standardisation than in other fields and we recognise that this is a sensitive area. Both IPRs and standardisation encourage innovation and facilitate the dissemination of technology, but they do so by different means. There is a need to balance the interests of the users of the standards with the rights of owners of intellectual property.

The referencing of standards against EU directives and policies is currently confined to standards established by the European standards organisations. As the White Paper states:

Fora and consortia have produced many relevant ICT standards, primarily in domains where the technical expertise clearly lies with specific fora and consortia and not with the ESOs. This is the case with standards covering internet protocols established by IETF and web accessibility guidelines produced by W3C. The market acceptance of the mentioned standards is undisputed.

The difficulty is how to bring those fora and consortia standards into the public domain, so that they can be referenced by the Commission in legislation and policies. The White Paper suggests that a procedure be found to enable the referencing of specific fora and consortia standards in legislation and policies, subject to a positive evaluation. We agree that this would be desirable. However, we would reserve our position until we see the detailed legislative proposals that would be necessary to introduce this idea into EU law.

The Commission, in this White Paper, proposes a discussion platform representing all the stakeholders concerned, to advise on matters concerned with ICT standardisation policy and its implementation. We are of the opinion that such a policy platform should be established if it clearly delivers benefits, which cannot be supplied by the existing bodies or committees in the area. We will reserve our position until more detailed proposals are put forward.

To summarise, the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment broadly welcomes the ideas outlined in this White Paper, while reserving its position on suggestions until more detailed proposals are put forward by the Commission for national scrutiny. There are many issues which will require discussion and in-depth consideration. While being aware of some concerns about opening the standardisation system to fora or consortia standards, the Department is of the view that such an opening up would be beneficial, not only for public procurement in the Internal Market, but to all stakeholders.

The proposed evaluation mechanism, with ESO involvement, could bring about a situation where the advantages of the EU standardisation system — inclusiveness, openness, transparency etc. — are enhanced by taking on board specific, successful standards developed by fora or consortia.

An expert panel for the review of the European standardisation system, known as Express, has been created by the European Commission to provide strategic recommendations on European standardisation with a horizon of 2020. The proposals on an ICT standardisation policy will be taken into account in the work of that panel, which is due to report by the end of 2009. The Commission envisages presenting any necessary policy and legislative proposals in 2010.

I thank Ms Curley for her opening statement. Does Mr. Buckley wish to add some comments?

Mr. Maurice Buckley

I thank the Acting Chairman and other members of the joint committee. I have a few comments to make about the NSAI and how our strategy deals with the important ICT area. NSAI has long been committed to consumer protection and using standards to benefit Irish society. In the last couple of years, however, we have extended this brief to focus on giving Irish enterprises an advantage through the standardisation process in dealing with export markets and the global presence. Along with the enterprise development agencies, we believe we can establish a location advantage for Ireland through the standardisation process in all areas. I will come to how that applies to ICT. Ireland is a small country but has equal access to all the standards bodies, as do the very large economies. Therefore we can offer international companies freer access to international standards bodies than perhaps they could get in some larger economies. Most importantly, however, the indigenous Irish companies, of which there is a large number in the ICT area, can be supported. We can give them fast-track access to the heart of the European and international committees where standards are developed. This works very well in the main European standards organisations, CEN and CENELEC. We have been looking closely at the area of fora and consortia where so much of the ICT development takes place. Parallel to the development at European level, we are very keen and have already started on the process of achieving that communication and interaction with private consortia at national level as well. We already have instances of members of such fora and consortia being involved in our national consultative committees. There is a debate at national level and the Irish position is fed into both the European standards organisations and the fora and consortia. We are also able to support the individual companies, which are sometimes very small, through our expertise in the standardisation process. That facilitation process is involved in the sometimes protracted development of standards. We do not support them financially at this point but we can offer that support through the system that is there. We are therefore working strongly towards integrating the fora and consortia activity in Ireland with the main channel of standardisation activity from the viewpoint of maximising the advantage that an Irish company, be it indigenous or foreign, has through this process.

I thank Mr. Buckley for his opening statement. We will open questioning to my colleagues.

I thank Ms Curley and Mr. Buckley for their presentations. For the record, page one of the written submission refers to 210 foreign-owned companies, while I think Ms Curley referred to 110. Which figure is correct?

Ms Helen Curley

I am sorry, it is 210.

I just wanted to correct the record on that. In terms of standards generally, I have worked in industry in the past and had dealings with quality standards, health and safety, and environmental standards. In terms of Irish standards, EN and ISO, what is happening to work towards an international standard, rather than doing something at European level only?

Ms Helen Curley

With the Chairman's permission, I will refer that question to the director of standards, Mr. Enda McDonnell of the NSAI, who is more au fait with the actual working of the various organisations.

Mr. Enda McDonnell

That is a very good question. Going back 20 or 30 years, the focus was on national standards — Irish or perhaps British standards. As time went on, the focus moved to European standards, which helped to create the Internal Market. Most of the NSAI's efforts in standards development are now on agreeing a national consensus to inform our position on the development of European or international standards. It has been more European in the recent past, but now the challenge is to look at the global level. In the ICT area, for example, companies are seeking a solution that works worldwide, not just in Europe. Therefore we have representation at ISO level, which is the International Organisation for Standardisation, and the other international organisations also. Increasingly, members of our committees, whether they are SMEs, innovators, established companies or representatives of multinationals in Ireland, would be more interested in the international level. We are equally equipped to work at a global level, as we are at the European level.

Is this work going on at European standard level?

Mr. Enda McDonnell

The standards we are talking about today are developed at the European level. There are agreements between the international and European levels to take on formal standards. However, the challenge with ICT standardisation is that many standards are developed outside the formal arena. There is not the same representation of social partners and consumers, so the challenge is to bring them into the system both at world level and at European level.

Does Mr. McDonnell see a future wherein there will only be global standards?

Mr. Enda McDonnell

A lot of the standards which are adopted globally become European standards, so there is an interaction between the European and global levels. I would say they will come to a situation where, more and more, the standards are developed at a global level. However, I imagine there will always be a need for particular European standards, especially to support European directives. For example, European public policy is oriented towards the Services Directive to encourage services standardisation. That will take place at European level and might even go to the world level from there, so it can go either way. I do not think there will ever be a situation where standards will be entirely on one plane — let us say, at the global level. There will always be European directives guiding them at European level.

I have two further questions, if that is okay.

As regards the advantages of standardisation in research and development, my initial instinct is to suggest that standardisation might very well stifle creativity if people have to work to a standard or an established norm. It might restrict them from making the big breakthrough outside the box and I seek the witnesses' comments. My final question pertains to the use of information and communications technologies, ICT, standards in public procurement, towards which the witnesses are working. When reviewing past projects, such as the procurement of e-voting machines, and anticipating similar procurement processes on foot of the arrival of new ICT standards, how might such processes differ in the future?

Mr. Enda McDonnell

I can respond to the first question on innovation and standards. The Senator's point is well made and there is a public perception that standards are the opposite of creativity and that, as the Senator observed, they can stifle innovation. There is a balance to be found in this regard. It is advantageous for researchers to have their ideas incorporated into standards at an early stage as this opens access to markets. An increasing number of standards are not aligned to a particular technology. They are performance standards rather than specifying what technology is used to achieve an objective and consequently are technology neutral. If a researcher is working on a product or service and wishes to gain acceptance for his or her new innovation against a particular performance standard, it is highly advantageous for him or her to get involved in the international networking that goes on to develop this standard in order that he or she can ensure his or her product meets the performance levels. Such researchers can see what is coming down the track, can meet potential customers or competitors, thereby finding out what is happening and where they are at. The informal networking surrounding the standards process can be incredibly advantageous to people who are past the stage of initial research and have a product or service to introduce. The NSAI is pushing this point to help people realise those advantages.

I also wish to ask a question on fostering synergies between ICT, innovation and standardisation. Does this pertain to creating a communication platform whereby people can share information, rather than having them going off on different tangents? In many cases, valuable Government funds may be supporting the same initiative. Anecdotally, I am aware of much difficulty in respect of the sharing and pooling of research information at third level. Is this issue also included in these proposals and is an attempt under way to try to co-ordinate this area?

Mr. Enda McDonnell

If I understand the Deputy's meaning correctly, her point is correct. Standards help to bring about a voluntary consensus and information sharing is very much part of this. While it is a little more complicated in respect of ICT, in most sectors, the intellectual property rights are incorporated voluntarily into the standard, which becomes an open standard that everyone can use, be they users, developers or whatever. An example in which standards could be particularly beneficial is the single patient record, whereby doctors, hospitals, ICT professionals, users, clients and everyone else can use several applications that meet one particular agreed standard. The beauty of standards is their potential to bring about an agreed solution. Is this what the Deputy was driving at?

Yes. I wished to confirm this for myself because I heard a discussion on this issue previously. The witnesses should cover the area of procurement policies. While procurement would have applied to products previously, it also pertains to services, which I am sure can be difficult to manage and for which it can be difficult to set standards. Moreover, the industry changes continually. It struck me that this pertains to consulting with forums and with the providers of ICT services. Who polices, if that is the right term to use, such consultations? Is the National Standards Authority of Ireland responsible? Has a voluntary code been in place thus far?

Ms Helen Curley

There are EU directives on public procurement. In addition, an old decision from 1987 lays down current EU standardisation policy in the field of ICT. It emphasises the importance of interoperability and encourages references to functional standards to achieve that objective. Consequently, when companies tender for business, they must have regard to this directive. However, as I mentioned in the presentation, it is somewhat out of date because it refers to products and does not really touch on the idea of services or ICT applications as they are known today. While I stress this simply is a suggestion from the Commission at present and we have not seen its details, it is proposed that the Commission will amend or update that decision to provide more guidance for tenderers in ICT systems. While I am not an expert on the public procurement directive——

I just asked to ascertain where it was going.

Ms Helen Curley

——if the Deputy has further queries, I can have them researched and can revert to her.

I am not an expert either but it is interesting.

No members are expert on this issue. As for the White Paper, while this consultative document is in preparation, can the public make representations on it? I believe Mr. Buckley mentioned the national consultative committee. I seek an explanation on what it is, when it meets and its purpose. Is the issue of confidentiality in respect of information and communications technologies addressed in this White Paper? Nowadays, most, if not all companies use information technology and a great deal of information is floating around in cyberspace. How can such information be protected from falling into the wrong hands? What finance is available to small companies to enable them to modernise and become more efficient in the use of technology? Finally, the Department is more or less hedging its bets at present. When do the witnesses expect that the Department will be in a position to give positive responses in this regard?

Ms Helen Curley

Perhaps we can share these questions between us because some were directed to the NSAI and others to the Department. As for the question on consultation, the White Paper was produced by the Commission and was the subject of a public consultation with a closing date of 15 September. It was open to all comers and not just to member states to comment on the document if they so wished. The Department did not make a formal response to the White Paper because it did not have a problem with the general principles enunciated therein. When the Commission brings forward its more detailed proposals, we then will have more time to undertake a wider consultation among the stakeholders and to engender a firm Irish position thereon, which will inform us in the negotiations.

This document does not touch on the area of information getting into the wrong hands and data protection. I suppose it is mainly prompted by modernising the ICT standardisation process. As we mentioned in our presentations, to a certain extent the formal European standard organisations are lagging behind the fora and consortia in some cutting edge technologies and standards are being developed outside the more traditional fora, if I could put it like that, and it does not deal with data protection.

In terms of SMEs and making them more efficient, process development can be assisted by the enterprise agencies under various research and development schemes, the details of which I do not have to hand. There is research and development available through various State agencies. There was a question on the consultative committee which one of my colleagues from NSAI will take.

Mr. Maurice Buckley

On the point of the consultative committees, NSAI operates a network of approximately 500 experts in different areas who are organised in different committees, which address the Irish input to international standardisation and would development an Irish standard when the occasion requires, although such instances are few and far between these days.

For example, we have a committee in the ICT area which would include members representing consumer bodies, industry bodies and individual companies with an interest in the area. It is a fantastic forum for small Irish indigenous companies to meet and interact with the very large players. In Ireland, we are fortunate to have the biggest names in the world in this area: Intel, Microsoft and IBM. Their members are interacting with their colleagues from small specialist companies in these fora. It is an opportunity to exchange ideas and to develop positions in a way that would not be possible in the normal helter-skelter of competitive work life.

These committees would meet, depending on the level of activity in the particular area of standardisation, every couple of months. They would interact by correspondence, etc. Representatives from those committees would go to the international meetings, come back, and report and bring ideas in. We want to extend this now to ever increasing interaction, not only with the formal European standardisation organisations but also with the most relevant private consortia and fora.

That, in itself, is an opportunity for SMEs to get involved. We are very much encouraging this with Enterprise Ireland and IDA Ireland. The investment needed is time. Often, it is a key person within the company. It can be priceless, however, at particular phases of that company's development when there is something important going on in standardisation. There have been a number of instances already where small companies have gone not just to the national committee where one meets people whom one meets in other fora but, even better, to the European and international committees where one meets people whom one has no chance of meeting in the normal run of business. In the latter instance, one is eliminating the possible drawback due to our peripheral location and bringing people right back into the centre of things. It works well, and it is available to small as well as large companies.

Earlier Senator Ryan made the same point on the aspect of research and development. Standards can play a big part. At the very early stages one is developing an innovative new idea but as soon as that becomes more than an idea and becomes something definitive, one wants to test whether that is compatible with the technologies being used in major markets. Otherwise, one ends up developing products and services for which there is no market.

In ways, it is a reality check.

Mr. Maurice Buckley

In a way it is a reality check to get involved early. It is important for Ireland, if we are financially supporting companies going through that research and development process, to have that reality check and the standardisation system can serve that purpose. For example, in the 1990s Iona Technologies, one of our most successful indigenous ICT companies, very much built its business on using standards to support innovation. At a very early stage when it was only a handful of people, they got involved in standards committees, they saw which way the technology was moving and because they were small and agile, they could fill gaps in the marketplace quicker than the large players. As they got a little bit bigger on the basis of that, they could start to influence the standards. For quite a period of time, they used the standardisation process to keep the standards moving ahead and keep their organisation moving with the standards. One can use it beneficially and this is something on which we are very focussed at present.

Is there any answer to the question on e-voting machines, and how the use of ICT standards might have impacted on the process of purchasing such important ICT equipment and might not have ended up with the result we got?

Mr. Maurice Buckley

I am not sure if we have any specific answer on that one. Obviously, as an area becomes developed and a topic like e-voting becomes established around the world in different societies, standards that specify and deal with the different important aspects are developed. Maybe if there had been international standards in place at that time it would have helped the purchasing process. However, I have no knowledge to add on the specific matter at that time.

It is a subject best forgotten. Mr. Buckley need not worry.

It is an opportunity to learn from the past and ensure it does not happen in the future. If this is the solution, then we all would welcome it. There is no point in forgetting what happened and then perhaps making the same mistake again.

Mr. Maurice Buckley

A current example with similar considerations is health infomatics. We are working hard in Ireland to invest in interconnecting our hospitals and health systems and all of the technology that goes with that, and there are many standards in that area. It is an example of what Ms Curley mentioned earlier, namely, the standards struggling to keep pace with the rapidly developing technology. It is also an example of where some of the fora and consortia standards are ahead of the European standards organisations. The procurement issues are extremely difficult. They help the process, but in fast changing technologies such as health infomatics, or at that time probably e-voting, it is extremely difficult to find a standards solution that fully does everything by itself.

Is Senator Ryan happy with that?

It is as good as one will get.

We are talking about a verifiable voter paper trail in that case but perhaps we will move on. Are there any further questions?

How does the NSAI set about involving small companies? How does it ensure the small start-up companies and those at growth stage feed into the process or are at least aware of it?

Mr. Maurice Buckley

It is difficult. At that critical stage they tend to have a small number of staff, everybody is very busy and the people who need to be involved are the key people in the organisation. We are taking a number of steps. First, at the standardisation level, we are working hard at national level to speed up the process so that the company that gets involved is investing a manageable amount of time, not a five-year drawn-out process. Nationally, we are developing instruments that can be developed in a short time — two or three months — which would be a starting block for such organisations, and this supports the process. Of course they want to get into the international arena. That is where it is happening.

What we are doing is encouraging such small companies. We are saying to them that our primary objective is to write good standards but in order to help business development we will encourage such companies to get involved. Even if they only get involved for one or two meetings, they will learn and meet people. They will meet potential suppliers, potential customers and potential future competitors and they will see if their ideas are in tune with what is happening or not. If they decide to pull back after two or three meetings, we are disappointed we have lost a standard developer but it is good for that organisation. We are convinced that if we do that with ten organisations, two or three of them will find it beneficial to stay involved and we will influence good standards for Ireland out of that.

How does the NSAI set about trying to identify them, or even knowing about them?

Mr. Maurice Buckley

We would not have the contact to do that, but Enterprise Ireland, in particular, would.

Therefore, NSAI works with Enterprise Ireland.

Mr. Maurice Buckley

We are looking to link it closely with research and development grant supports which is really the critical time. This is the time where the EI project officer can introduce them to the area of standardisation, which they probably regard at that point as something vague and woolly and well away from the reality of what they are trying to do with their business. We conduct an audit of standardisation in the area of business in which the company is interested and it may or may not be relevant. It will not always be relevant, as there might not be much happening at that time. However, sometimes there will be and the company must choose whether to get involved. If it does, we facilitate it and back it up as much as we can. The advantage in Ireland is there are many specialist high tech areas in which only one organisation is active. We, therefore, have no problem letting the company access the international committees. In the UK, Germany or the US, there are always five or ten companies in one area and they must, first, be brought together nationally to ensure a formal representational structure. We do that as well but we do not have to do it in many areas.

Does the NSAI try to standardise their contribution?

Mr. Maurice Buckley

It is tempting.

Mr. Buckley stated: "Innovators who participate in a development of an international standard can reap enormous benefits from exploiting the network opportunities". How many of our more than 42,000 SMEs have benefited from that expertise?

Mr. Maurice Buckley

I do not have a figure but it is small. This is a new policy and strategy we have been pursuing for approximately 12 months, as the NSAI tries to make its contribution to the smart economy initiative. We have a target of 0.1% of SMEs over three years, which is still a small number. Realistically, given the demands on time on the sector and the fact that only a small number of companies will tap into it, that would be quite a lot but the potential is there.

We all recognise the contribution the ICT sector has made to the economy and the continued importance of encouraging indigenous companies and attracting foreign companies to invest in Ireland. It is crucial. It is essential that the regulatory conditions are in place to facilitate the growth outlined by Mr. Buckley. We also have to recognise EU regulation has an important part to play in this but we must tread carefully to make sure such legislation is scrutinised to ensure Ireland is not disadvantaged by its introduction or implementation.

I thank the officials who attended. We, as legislators, are dependent on their expert advice on this complex issue. We have listened carefully. I acknowledge the NSAI plays an important part in promoting Irish interests at European level in this regard. I thank the officials on behalf of the committee for this work. I thank Ms Curley, Mr. Smyth, Mr. Buckley and Mr. McDonnell for assisting us in our deliberations.

The joint committee adjourned at 3.15 p.m. until 2 p.m on Thursday, 17 December 2009.
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