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JOINT COMMITTEE ON HEALTH AND CHILDREN debate -
Tuesday, 16 Jun 2009

Health Promotion: Discussion with Nutrition and Health Foundation.

I welcome the witnesses, including Dr. Muireann Cullen from the Nutrition and Health Foundation and apologise for being late in calling them today. We are under considerable time pressure due to meetings scheduled after this one. We will take a presentation from the witnesses, followed by questions from the members, before returning to the witnesses to wrap up.

Before we begin, I advise the witnesses that while members of the committee have absolute privilege this does not extend to witnesses so they are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that they should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the Houses or an official by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable.

Dr. Muireann Cullen

We thank the Chairman and the committee members for giving us the opportunity to make this presentation. I am manager of the Nutrition and Health Foundation, NHF, and I am a dietician. I have worked in public and private hospitals and GP surgeries. My work is associated with food law, public health nutrition, the food industry and research. With me are Mr. John McGrath, chairman of the NHF executive board and head of marketing and communications for Dawn Farm Foods.

Mr. John McGrath

I work with Dawn Farm Foods, an Irish cooked meat company based in Naas that employs 550 people. It sells products to the food manufacturing sector around the world. I am involved with the Nutrition and Health Foundation because my company is part of an important industry in Ireland and it sees obesity as a threat to that industry. On a personal level, I am from Dublin and am father of four young daughters so I see sport and nutrition as important elements in how they are raised. I have a professional and personal interest in this matter.

Dr. Muireann Cullen

With me also is Mr. Ruaidhri O'Connor, CEO of the Irish Society of Chartered Physiotherapists and a member of the NHF council.

Mr. Ruaidhri O’Connor

The Irish Society of Chartered Physiotherapists is the representative professional body for more than 3,000 chartered physiotherapists in the Republic of Ireland. The society has a major interest in training and practical day-to-day experience in the area of physical activity. The society's role relates to sports and exercise medicine and to other health areas including respiratory care, cardiac services, joint protection and physical activity and well-being in the workplace.

Dr. Muireann Cullen

The NHF was established in January 2005; Food and Drink Industry Ireland, FDII, as part of IBEC, invited Government scientists, academics, physical activity and health care professionals and other stakeholders to jointly address the challenges to health in Ireland, particularly those relating to obesity. These groups came together as the Nutrition and Health Foundation, a multi-stakeholder body that provides consumers with evidence-based information relating to nutrition and physical activity to help them make better lifestyle choices. To date, more than €1.5 million has been invested voluntarily in the organisation by the food and beverage industry representatives involved. While the initiative came from the industry, the foundation takes direction from its council, which is a multi-stakeholder group. For example, its membership includes Professor Pat Wall of UCD, Professor Donal O'Shea of St. Columcille's Hospital, Loughlinstown and Professor Niall Moyna of DCU, who cover physical activity. Other members, from the wide range that exists, include representatives of the Irish Nutrition and Dietetic Institute and SafeFood.

At the time the NHF was set up no other country in Europe had an equivalent body to address obesity. Following on from this, the EU Platform for Action on Diet, Physical Activity and Health, a multi-stakeholder group, was established. A number of EU member states have now set up an equivalent of the NHF, which shows that Ireland took the lead in an approach that has been replicated in a number of European countries. We take this as a compliment on what we are trying to achieve.

The NHF takes a multi-stakeholder approach; its concern is the consumer and its mission is to promote a healthier Ireland through evidence-based information that is easy for the consumer to use. This is achieved through the industry, internationally recognised scientists, key health care professionals, the Government, governmental agencies and consumers. The NHF seeks to give evidence-based information on which the stakeholders are in agreement. It aims to promote a balance between physical activity and good nutrition, which is essential in the maintenance of a healthy lifestyle. The stakeholders work in partnership to promote the messages and make a real difference in Irish society.

The NHF seeks to promote consumer understanding through research and communication and we have several initiatives in this regard; for example, our website, the "eat smart week" and the workplace well-being campaign. The foundation works with the Government and non-governmental organisations, NGOs, and is part of the implementation group of the national obesity taskforce report. We seek the further development of the NHF and have an open-door policy for groups that wish to add something constructive to its work. These groups can come from the public or private sector, provided they share our agenda regarding promoting health in Ireland.

There is no single cause of obesity; it is multi-factorial and this is why the NHF was set up. The NHF is a multi-stakeholder group that can look at the issue from different angles. Ireland is in the grip of an obesity epidemic at the moment; 64% of Irish adults are either overweight or obese and five years ago that figure applied to the United States. At the moment Ireland has the third highest obesity levels of the 27 EU member states; the UK is slightly ahead of Ireland and Malta has a level of 70%. The eating balance of energy in and energy out in Irish lifestyles has been misaligned. Research shows that while the consumption of calories and fat has fallen in the past 60 years, physical activity levels have plummeted. Sixty years ago people were much more physically active in their day to day lives whereas now we are more dependent on technology. The recent SLÁN survey and the national physical activity guidelines show that even among adults only 41% of our population meets the physical activity guidelines. In 1998 that figure was 38% which shows very little progress in 11 years.

The obesity epidemic raises serious economic concerns today and for the future. There is no single cause; several factors are involved, making it complex. A joined-up approach is needed in respect of the Nutrition and Health Foundation, NHF, and the report of the inter-sexual implementation group of the national taskforce on obesity to address the far-reaching aspects of obesity and its associated chronic diseases. The only way to achieve success is for each sector to support the other. There are international examples of this, for example, north Karelia in Finland had the highest level of heart disease in the world in the early 1970s but a multi-stakeholder approach over 25 years achieved an eight year increase in life expectancy, an 82% reduction in the incidence of cardiovascular disease and a 200% reduction in blood cholesterol levels. That was a very effective approach. We could have similar results in respect of obesity if we adopted a similar approach.

The HSE health of the nation report finds that there are roles for individuals and communities in achieving best outcomes, and that several risk factors need to be tackled as a priority, including elevated blood pressure, tobacco use, inappropriate use of alcohol, high cholesterol, excess weight and obesity, low fruit and vegetable intake and low physical activity. Several of those factors are related to diet and to physical activity. They are all closely connected to obesity.

We are here to get support for the NHF and its multi-stakeholder approach to addressing obesity. Our information is based on fact, focussing on energy in and energy out and achieving a balance between the two. It enables a joined-up approach across several sectors, an example being the salt reduction initiative undertaken by the Food Safety Authority and the food industry working together which achieved great results. This can be done in other areas if more people come together.

I thank the then Minister of State at the Department of Health and Children, Deputy Mary Wallace, for establishing the inter-sexual implementation group of the national obesity task force report in January 2009 and for chairing the task force. Now is the time for continued leadership in this area to continue cohesive and effective national strategies to tackle obesity, perhaps with a focus on physical activity which will result in a cultural change such that it becomes the norm. One of the major problems is that it is not the norm. When we are young we are taught to wash our teeth and we do so and pass the lesson on to the next generation. We should approach physical activity in the same way. There is increasing evidence that pre-natal and early childhood events can have a significant impact on one's health so the earlier the intervention the better.

Physical activity levels among adults and children are very poor. Fewer than 50% of our primary school age children achieve the physical activity recommendations. At 15 years 90% of girls and 70% of boys do not meet the recommendations. This has a serious impact from an economic perspective. It would cost much less to combat obesity now rather than in the future. The barometer readings for obesity and excess weight are rising. We need to immediately adopt wide-ranging and effective strategies to reverse that trend to avoid obesity and prevent chronic disease such as type 2 diabetes, heart disease and cancer.

In 2005 the national task force on obesity reported that the direct and indirect cost of obesity was €0.4 billion. Recent research by Irish consultant endocrinologists show that obesity-related diabetes accounts for €0.3 billion of the total cost of €0.5 billion for diagnosed and undiagnosed diabetes. If only one disease connected with obesity costs €0.3 billion what do the others cost? We need to take action on that issue. We are storing up health problems for the future. It is a medical time-bomb. It is key that obesity remain on the agenda of political parties and the Government. I understand that this might be difficult in the current economic climate but we need to take a long view of the matter too.

A wide variety of stakeholders is involved in the NHF. Our information is based on evidence from different sectors. The members of the committee should feel free to use our information and to contact us about it. We would be delighted to help them in any way and answer any questions they might have. We initiate, fund and co-fund research in respect of consumers. For example, we co-funded the teen survey published last year. We have also funded a project with the Irish College of General Practitioners to see what can be done in the GP setting. We have done research on consumer behaviour and what motivates them to make changes successfully and the barriers they face. Our workplace well-being campaign is a free health promotion initiative in the workplace providing a balance between nutrition and physical activity and advises people on their choices. More than 300 organisations in the country participate in this initiative, covering 80,000 employees. This has been very successful. Our evaluation of it found a high level of change in diet and exercise habits, lifestyle and even social interaction with colleagues.

The eat smart week has been running since 2007 and shows that healthy eating is not difficult or boring and does not have to involve sacrifice. When people hear the phrase 'healthy eating' they think that all the goodies are gone but that is not the point. It is a question of achieving a balance and making smarter choices about the type and quantity of food one consumes and how one prepares it. One can load foods up with extra calories or fat depending on the cooking method. We provide that information and how to balance diet and physical activity. The research in the GP practices involved examining behavioural risk factors in the practices. The results of this work have been submitted for publication in the British Journal of General Practice. They outline the approach to health promotion that GPs and health care teams would like to see in the GP setting and the barriers they face. The next stage of that will be a pilot study.

There could be a national campaign for workplace health promotion. The World Health Organisation and the World Economic Forum support workplace health promotion initiatives. There are several happening in Ireland which means that we are all competing with one another for the same field. It might be a good idea to bring all these initiatives together specifically in respect of nutrition and physical activity and see if one excellent product can be devised. We would also like to bring the GP project forward and roll it out nationally. A total of 75% or more of the population visit GPs who are the gatekeepers for health provision.

I thank Dr. Cullen for a very comprehensive presentation. We are under severe time constraints so I will take questions from three members.

I welcome the group and thank it for its professional presentation. Obesity is a huge epidemic which will cause tremendous problems in the future if we do not deal with it. This is a classic case of prevention being better than a cure. We all know that diabetes, stroke, heart attack, renal disease, cancer, erectile dysfunction and osteoarthritis are related to it and that it is a multi-factoral illness requiring a multi-departmental approach including the Department of Education and Science, and the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government. Medicine is the last resort because that is when the problem has reached the point where medical intervention is needed. It should never get to that point. There are policing issues such as that of a safe environment in which to exercise. However, many children are left at home to play video games and watch television because parents know where they are and feel they are safe. Years ago children ran out into the fields for three or four hours to play and nobody thought twice about it.

The use of food vending machines in schools is an issue. What are Dr. Cullen's views on offering a tax break or capital incentive to supply fresh fruit in vending machines? The turnover of such produce would be quicker, but it is surely technically possible.

The obesity task force has not made a great deal of progress, but I will not ask Dr. Cullen to comment on the matter. What percentage of the foundation's income is provided by the food industry? Why is none of the multinational fast food restaurant chains prepared to follow the example of their counterparts in the United Kingdom which are printing calorie amounts on their menus? What suggestion does the foundation have to address this, given that the industry is represented on its board?

I refer to the report of the national obesity task force. The practical thing to do would be to implement it. I presume a number of experts were on the task force and it is important that its report be implemented. Will Dr. Cullen outline what progress has been made in this regard? She used a Finnish example. I am a great believer in learning from what has worked in other countries. Will she elaborate on what worked in the Finnish experience?

I welcome the delegation. As a teacher, I am well aware of the plague of vending machines in schools. However, many schools have replaced the soft drinks with water but more should be done. Deputy Reilly referred to supplying fresh fruit. Every school has a tuck shop and it is not necessary to use vending machines to sell fruit. Schools have a role to play in promoting through SPHE classes a healthier lifestyle and in encouraging young people to be proactive in ensuring their lifestyle is healthier. I have young children and it is easy to have a group of "screenagers" who are physically active but only using their thumbs. They move from the computer to the television to the PlayStation, Nintendo or mobile phone and that is considered exercise. If one did not withdraw privileges during the months the weather was good and encourage them to go to outside, they would happily stay in. Technology has moved on, as have we. For example, children do not walk to school anymore, not because it is not safe but because the easier option is to get into the car when everybody is rushing. We cannot let this issue slip down the agenda because it is now more important than ever. The foundation's statistics highlight that obesity is on the increase and we will pay the price down the line. Good habits start in our younger years.

I recently had a conversation with a woman about the recession and her reduced household income. She said the one thing it had done was put everyone in her house on a diet. She only buys what she needs and no longer buys rubbish. When she had plenty of money, the sky was the limit and she loaded up the shopping trolley, with the result that her children permanently grazed. Now she has cut all that out and if they want to graze, they can eat fruit or drink water. People's reduced income will change mindsets and there will be a reduction in the number of luxuries they buy and graze on.

Food labelling needs to be simplified. It is difficult for somebody without a degree in science who picks up a food product to understand whether all the ingredients, including the additives and so on, are healthy.

Members have asked a number of questions. Will the delegates be brief? Perhaps they might correspond with the committee and elaborate on their replies to the questions posed.

Dr. Muireann Cullen

The food and beverage industry self-regulates regarding vending machines in schools. It has put policies in place, to which companies very much adhere. However, no matter what is available, it is about having choice and giving evidence-based information to people, thus enabling them to make healthier choices. Everybody likes variety in food and the issue is striking a balance between the types and amounts of food consumed and physical activity. Where vending machines are concerned, the focus should be on working with the industry to find out more about what companies have done.

Mr. John McGrath

The NHF is fully funded by food and non-alcoholic drinks companies and there is no charge for the other members.

I refer to this morning's newspaper report about the fast food industry. Those restaurants are not members, but the principle to which we work is the provision of good evidence-based information for the consumer.

Is none of those companies a member of the NHF or IBEC?

Mr. John McGrath

They are members of the food and drink federation, but the NHF is a separate agency within the IBEC organisation.

The NHF has a value. Surely it could use its influence to force fast food outlets to change. They have formed an alliance and will not follow suit. The key to fighting obesity is to ensure people have knowledge and power over what they eat. If they are not provided with a calorie count for what they consume in a fast food restaurant, there is a problem. As the newspaper reported today, when this was done in New York, it led to an average reduction of 50 to 100 calories per meal bought. Fast food outlets have a major question to answer. They should be castigated and I ask the NHF to do so because they should be brought to book.

Dr. Muireann Cullen

Deputy O'Sullivan referred to the north Karelia story. It is close to the Russian border. It was realised in the 1970s that the area had the world's highest rate of cardiovascular disease. A public health worker decided that something needed to be done and work was done with the industry to reduce salt and fat content and increase the consumption of fruit and vegetables. At the time Finns had the perception that if something was not grown in the country, citizens were not being patriotic. They very much had to change their mindset. At community level, public health workers visited churches, spoke to ministers and asked them to speak from the pulpit about health and lifestyle. In addition, every time people visited the doctor, their blood pressure was measured and a card given to them. They were given information in supermarkets and community competitions were held to encourage them to improve their physical activity and diet. Recipes were made easily available. According to the report on what happened, men used to give out if their wives gave them skimmed or semi-skimmed milk. It was suggested that one could transfer the semi-skimmed or skimmed milk into a full-fat milk container and put that on to the table. I do not know whether that worked.

There were other aspects to the approach, including a weekly television programme where somebody who needed to lose weight or improve his or her cardiovascular risk factors was followed over a period. The person who instigated the programme said that when he met people on the street they asked about how the featured individual was doing. Other people used to walk up to him with their blood pressure cards and show him that they were still within the healthy range and say how great that was.

It was an interesting approach and its success was phenomenal. The programme was rolled out on a bigger level. From 1972 until 1997 there was an 82% reduction in cardiovascular deaths. Life expectancy was increased by eight years and blood cholesterol was reduced by 200%. They are some of the indicators for heart disease. It took time to achieve results. In the same way that obesity develops over time, the improvement did not happen overnight. One has to roll back slowly, take initiatives and make sure they are working. For example, a progress report was published in April on the implementation of the national task force on obesity, NTFO. We view it as a stocktake of what has been done so far, what needs to be done in the future, and what we are going to focus on as well, because one could choose many different angles. We need to find a point of focus.

The other aspect is that many groups are doing great work. It is a case of measuring them to see whether they are effective in their work. If they are, then why should we not roll out those programmes on a national basis? The report was very much a stocktake. Some of the recommendations were fully implemented but others were only partly implemented while certain recommendations could not be implemented due to competition rules at European Union level. It is an interesting group because a wide variety of stakeholders are involved with it. Now that the stocktake has been done we must move the agenda forward. We need to continue the leadership that has begun in this area.

I will have to stop Dr. Cullen as we are under time constraints. Does Mr. O'Connor wish to make a brief point?

Mr. Ruaidhri O’Connor

Deputy Conlon referred to physical activity for children. There is a range of age-appropriate guidelines for children from age two to age 17 or 18. In the same way that a food pyramid exists, so too does an exercise pyramid. Watching television or DVDs come at the top of the pyramid. At the bottom of the pyramid there are guidelines on activities such as walking or cycling to work, helping around the house, walking dogs, playing outside and using the stairs instead of lifts. The involvement of parents in that process is very important, just as much as teachers and school staff.

I thank the delegation. I apologise for the lack of time but we are under inordinate pressure because an earlier presentation ran significantly over time. We must vacate the room at 5 p.m. and we have another delegation to meet. We would be happy to hear from the delegation if anyone wishes to correspond with us on matters raised in questions.

Sitting suspended at 4.45 p.m. and resumed at 5.10 p.m.
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