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JOINT COMMITTEE ON HEALTH AND CHILDREN debate -
Tuesday, 8 Dec 2009

Discussion with Adoption Loss Natural Parents Network of Ireland.

I welcome the representatives from Adoption Loss Natural Parents Network of Ireland, Ms Bernie Harold and Ms Rhoda MacManus. I wish to draw the attention of witnesses to the fact that members of the committee have absolute privilege but this same privilege does not extend to witnesses. Members are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice that members should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person or an official by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable.

The detailed submission has been circulated to members and I invite an executive summary after which there will be a question and answer session.

Ms Bernie Harold

Before I begin, I was prepared but I am afraid Deputy Shatter has raised my blood pressure so I hope there is a doctor in the house. I hope we will introduce a little bit of balance into the proceedings.

He raises our blood pressure from time to time; therefore, Ms Harold should not be unduly concerned.

Ms Harold is not alone.

She should proceed with the presentation she had in mind, following which we can ask questions.

Ms Bernie Harold

This is our fourth submission on adoption legislation since our foundation more than ten years ago. Having waited so long, we are extremely disappointed that the Adoption Bill 2009 seems to be a hastily drawn up document which clumsily incorporates all previous domestic adoption legislation, together with a provision to give effect to the Hague Convention on international adoption. The resulting document is confusing. It appears our previous three lengthy submissions on the Hague Convention and domestic adoption remain unread and locked in the filing cabinets of the Department of Health and Children. We also note with despair that, despite constant reminders to the Department and the social workers who were here previously, we are hurt by the terms which we find inaccurate and insulting of "birth mother" and, more incongruously, "birth father" which appear in the text of the Bill. These terms continue to be used. We are the natural parents of people who are adopted and would like to be referred to as such.

We will summarise the main deficiencies of the Bill from our point of view and remind the committee that it has already received a more detailed document. The Bill continues to deny adopted people their birth certificates as of right. It proposes the continuation of the outmoded and unnecessary practice of issuing a short form or "pretend birth certificate" as we call it. It makes no provision for the right of natural mothers to read their own adoption files or for their adult children to have access to these files. Underlying all of this is the fact that the right of a person to know he or she is adopted is not included in the Bill. The denial of this right to identity is also the denial of the right to bodily integrity. In the event of serious illness, an adopted person may need a life-saving organ or cell donation from among their natural relatives. We contend that where the State, as represented by the Adoption Authority of Ireland, holds information on someone's legal or illegal adoption and withholds that information, it could be legitimately sued by those whose health is compromised as a result.

The Bill does not provide for a statutory counselling service to be made available to natural mothers and fathers who are considering placing their child for adoption. There is no mention of the inadvisability of the same adoption agency representing both the applicant adopters and the natural parents, nor does it provide for independent legal advice for such natural parents prior to signing a consent to adoption. It appears the consent procedure is being reduced to having one signed form in place of the present initial and final two-stage system. We also believe the Bill should include the need for GP or psychiatrist certification that persons are competent to sign such consent forms.

While we agree with the provision in the Bill for the adoption of children of married parents, we believe that, without statutory law providing for open adoption, the Bill could be used to impose permanent separation from his or her natural family on an unwilling child. Adoption in circumstances where a child has become separated from his or her family should only take place where the child has made the choice freely and without pressure. In our view, however, the addition of legal guardianship for long-term foster parents of some children in care could provide the security and permanence they need.

We are disappointed no upper age limit is mentioned for adopters. Children already deprived of their family should not have the additional worry that their adoptive parents will become dependent on them in their early adulthood. Regarding a lower age limit, it is notable that the Bill does not make provision for the special advice and help needed when natural parents are themselves minors — in some cases as young as 11 years. The Bill does not address the issue of open adoption, despite the fact that many adoption agencies and Departments are allowing some natural parents to believe such a process is possible when, in fact, there is no legal basis for it.

The main business of adoption agencies in Ireland is search and reunion, not adoption. The very people they separated in the past successfully fought for the provision of this service. However, the Bill provides no statutory basis for the right to this service for adopted people and their natural relatives, nor does it lay down statutory guidelines for those working as tracers or social workers in this sensitive area. One difficulty arising from this lack of regulation is that some adoption agencies refuse to inform adults they are adopted because of their belief that under present legislation, they do not have the right to do so. As we participated in the advisory group which set up the national adoption contact preference register, we insist it is essential that it receives a mention in the Bill and are amazed it has been omitted. It has been a notable success since its inception, saved many hours of social workers' time and helped to shorten the lengthy queues of adopted people and natural relatives awaiting search and reunion services with adoption agencies.

We are extremely worried that the register of adoption agencies, referred to throughout as "accredited bodies", will be expanded to include adoption agencies working in Ireland and abroad and also international adoption agencies working abroad and in Ireland. The short-staffed Adoption Authority of Ireland does not have the resources it needs to monitor or control their activities. We note that the regulations under which they will operate are not detailed in the Bill. A United Nations report on one such Irish adoption agency made worrying reading and the Bill does not appear to provide a mechanism to prevent a recurrence of the alleged illegal acts. The lack of statutory or regulatory control allows registered Irish adoption agencies to refuse to comply with requests for documents regarding illegal adoptions to the Adoption Board. This can be confirmed by the Adoption Board. We suggest its chairman, Mr. Geoffrey Shannon, be called before the Joint Committee on Health and Children to explain the matter in greater detail.

On international adoption, we have repeated our contention that Ireland should not enter into bilateral agreements with countries which have been unable to sign up to the Hague Convention. We realise that legislators have been under great pressure from lobby groups to expand the number of bilateral agreements and renew agreements with countries which had manifestly corrupt adoption practices. However, we are satisfied that our principled stance will be vindicated when natural parents and their children who were taken for adoption from these countries provide testimony in the future on the illegal and cruel methods used to separate them. Irish legislators will be asked why they allowed this to happen.

On the Hague Convention, we realise Irish legislators cannot change the text which is set down as an international agreement, but we will comment that there is no provision for statutory counselling of natural parents prior to signing adoption consent forms, nor is there provision for ensuring those signing consents are, in fact, the parents of the child in question. Additionally, no cognisance is taken of the fact that many parents may be illiterate or speak a different language from that of the adoption facilitator. How are we to be sure they will understand the meaning of legal adoption, the change of their child's name and his or her permanent removal to an unknown foreign country?

On implementation of the Hague Convention in Ireland as set out in the Adoption Bill, we are dismayed by the lack of evidence required in law which will allow the High Court to dispense with the consent of natural mothers in other countries. It seems proof is set at a lower bar simply because they are poor, foreign and matter less than Irish citizens. We are also concerned that the information requirement for the foreign adoption register about the natural parentage of children adopted from abroad is extremely scanty and would not satisfy the needs of anyone seeking information on their origins.

Adoption Loss Natural Parents Network of Ireland was formed more than a decade ago by a number of mothers who had been parted from their children by adoption and who wished to provide support for others who had suffered the same loss. Throughout that time we have provided help for many thousands of natural mothers and an increasing number of fathers who contact us via our helpline, by e-mail or letter. The majority of those who contact us speak for the first time about their loss and are simply relieved to talk to someone who has experienced a similar loss and will listen with understanding and without judgment. We have encouraged natural parents to set up support groups in Dublin and other parts of the country and inform callers about their location, as well as putting people in touch with others on a "phone buddy" basis. Our youngest caller was in her 20s and trying to retain contact with her son after the adoptive parents had withdrawn from the open adoption to which they had previously agreed. The oldest mother we helped was more than 100 years of age when she was reunited with her 60 year old daughter. It is unfortunately true, however, that some other cases have proved impossible to resolve because of the lack of a clear statutory law dealing with many aspects of adoption. Our service is free. All our committees give their time voluntarily. From the outset, we recognised the urgent need for adoption legislation to be reformed. We were determined to campaign for change. We improved our knowledge of the specific legal barriers in this regard as we learned about the difficulties faced by many mothers and fathers when they start the long journey towards reunion.

Thank you, Ms Harold.

I apologise if I raised anybody's blood pressure. These meetings are helpful because they allow us to tease out issues which are too frequently not teased out. They also inform our Committee Stage discussions. I am glad that the Adoption Loss Natural Parents Network of Ireland raised a number of issues in its interesting presentation. I apologise to the Chairman for having to make another declaration of interest. As a lawyer, I have been involved in a number of contentious adoption cases over the years. I have represented adopters and natural parents on various occasions.

A number of important points were made in the network's presentation. I am certain that over the years, children were placed for adoption even though the natural mother of the child did not understand the process fully and did not receive independent advice. Such people often face huge pressure, including their own internalised pressure and pressure from other family members. Some of them are just too young to make decisions of this nature. That is a real problem.

Under the Adoption Bill 2009, it will continue to be the case that the same agency deals with both sides in the adoption context. We need to ensure the staff of the agency are absolutely independent and do not put pressure on people to make decisions they regret at a later stage. I ask the delegates not to be too annoyed with the terminology I am using. I am not too hung up about the use of terms like "biological" or "natural" parents. I have been involved in court cases in which mothers changed their minds very shortly after they were pressurised by adoption agencies into leaving their children in situations they did not want to leave them in. That was a real problem. Many of the cases in question date from the 1980s and early 1990s, when there were far more domestic adoptions. We need to tease out this issue further.

I do not know whether the representatives of the network were present for this morning's exchanges with other groups. Many of the issues they raised have already been teased out. It is astonishing that the Adoption Bill 2009, which makes no provision for a register or for tracing, is before the Oireachtas. It does not change the current law in this area, as set out in the Adoption Act 1952. The courts have been required to interpret the obscure provisions of that Act, which does not make much sense. It does not differentiate between a child of seven or eight who is trying to get information, or that child's mother doing so, and a so-called child of 30 or 40 years of age who is trying to get information. The best-interest test is always applied by the authorities as if they were dealing with someone who is under age.

This is a complicated area. I do not want to talk it down. The delegates from the network made some interesting and valuable comments in their presentation, which was of relevance to natural parents and adopted children. The elephant in the room about which we are not talking is the Supreme Court decision on people who were promised privacy during the adoption process. One of the main court cases dealt with the promise of privacy that was given to natural parents when adoptions were effected. The same promise was also given to adopters over the years. The constitutional right to privacy complicates the statutory provisions relating to the register and to tracing. There is no reason we cannot enact legislation of a similar nature to that applied in Northern Ireland for a long time. We need to consider that in the context of the Adoption Bill 2009.

I will conclude by repeating a point I made this morning, when the witnesses were not here. It is clear that the Adoption Bill 2009 should contain provisions that allow for open adoptions, but it completely ignores that area. Such provisions are needed in these circumstances to protect the best interests of the child, the natural parents and the adopters. I hope the Minister will agree to address this substantial gap in the legislation on Committee Stage. As politicians, we will struggle with the various amendments that are to be tabled and considered. I hope the Minister will propose some amendments in these areas. If the Adoption Loss Natural Parents Network of Ireland would like to submit specific forms of wording to the various members of the committee for consideration on Committee Stage, that would be of help. I know that not everyone has the resources to do that. We will take seriously any suggestions that are made. Obviously, we cannot say we will take all of them on board. It is very valuable for us to have some detailed substance behind the comments that are made.

I thank the Adoption Loss Natural Parents Network of Ireland for attending this meeting. At the start of this process, the Chairman and the rest of the committee decided to organise hearings in advance of the consideration of the Bill. We all realise that this is a complex area, not just in terms of the child but also in terms of the mother, the father, the grandparents and the adoptive mother and father, etc. The comments we have heard from all sides during today's presentations, which have been rounded off by the agency, show how complex this area is. All of them need to be taken into consideration. It is clear that this Bill would be entirely different if it were child-centred. It seems that one of the parties to the agreement of confidentiality could be a child of six weeks or six months of age. Someone of that age cannot be tied into a contract when it is clear that they do not know what it is, or do not have the ability to fulfil it into the future. We will have to meet the Minister before the next phase of hearings on the Bill to ask him whether he is open to the type of amendment to this legislation that is needed. An entirely different Bill is needed to implement the tracing, open adoption and contact provisions that are best for the child. Ms Harold's opening remarks were worthwhile because they reminded us that we are dealing with the lives of people, rather than simply with the legislative process.

I welcome the delegates and thank them for their informative presentation. The various other groups that addressed the committee this morning made similar points. We also heard some things we had not heard before. I was particularly struck by the point that was made about the upper age limit for a person who wishes to adopt a child. I suppose that is worthy of more consideration. We should also reflect on the lower age limit. We listened carefully to the presentation. We will have to do some work on foot of all the things we heard today.

Ms Harold spoke about the signing of consent forms. Are they signed by the parents of the child? Having spent the last few weeks talking about the Ryan report and the Dublin diocesan report, the last thing we want to talk about in a number of years' time is another report looking into something that could have been prevented. We need to consider this aspect of the matter carefully. As Ms Harold finished her presentation, she mentioned the good stories of people who were reunited. We have to bear in mind that many people have not been and may never be reunited. I thank the network again for its presentation. We will take it into consideration. We will speak to the Minister before the Bill is considered further.

Do the witnesses wish to respond to members' remarks?

Ms Bernie Harold

Along with the adopted people, we are the human face of the whole process. I would like to leave the committee with a final thought. I have a memory of a documentary that was made on adoptions to the United States in the 1950s. In my mind's eye, I see rows of babies in cots. The American people were told that these children had been abandoned by their mothers and were lying unwanted in orphanages waiting for people to come and adopt them. We have since found out that this was not true. Let us not make the same mistake with China, Vietnam and other countries. Let us not have the mothers from these countries come back later, although the poor things will probably never be able to speak for themselves, and tell us we took away their children whom they did not want to go.

Ms Rhoda MacManus

Rather than concluding the meeting, I would prefer, if possible, to take time to amplify what has been said. Deputy Shatter should note that we circulated a lengthy submission which dealt with the Bill, section by section, and made many more points than are contained in the short synopsis we have delivered.

We have not discussed sufficiently the issue of illegal adoptions, the elephant in the room. The difficult cases we highlight involved illegal adoptions. The Adoption Board and others refuse to describe them as such, preferring to use the term de facto adoptions. The board will not call it as it is. Moreover, it will not refer to connected false birth registrations by their correct name, instead describing such cases as “direct registrations”. A spade is a spade; the individuals in question were falsely registered.

There are individuals who falsely believe they were born to the people who adopted them under the counter. This practice was common in Ireland until relatively recently. While there were many such cases, no one will specify how many there were. We have asked the authorities for information but they will not provide it. This refusal causes great difficulty. I will cite one example. A woman from England who contacted us first discovered in 2002 that her son was not registered. She realised in a panic that she could not prove she had given birth to the child and we helped her register her son's birth in October. Her son is 48 and does not know he is not the child of the people who brought him up or that his mother is still looking for him. Legislators should face up to this issue. The Bill does nothing for people in that position. These are the hard cases which can easily be forgotten because they are relatively small in number but we will not forget them.

I thank Ms Harold and Ms MacManus for presenting compelling evidence which will be of considerable assistance to members when we commence Committee Stage of the Bill. Members look forward to further engagement with the Adoption Loss Natural Parents Network of Ireland from now until the Bill is passed through the Houses.

The joint committee should inform all the organisations which have appeared before it of when Committee Stage will take place to enable them to follow proceedings in the Visitor's Gallery.

We will do so. It is proposed to adjourn until Tuesday, 15 December 2009 when we will have a private meeting to discuss the draft report on primary medical care.

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