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JOINT COMMITTEE ON HEALTH AND CHILDREN debate -
Thursday, 29 Mar 2012

Breast Implants: Discussion

I remind members and those in the Visitors Gallery that mobile telephones should be switched off completely. Apologies have been received from Deputies Colreavy, Conway, Regina Doherty and Senator Marc MacSharry and from Senator Colm Burke in being late for meeting.

I very much welcome Mr. Pat O'Mahony, chief executive of the Irish Medicines Board, and Dr. Joan Gilvarry, director of human products monitoring. We are discussing an issue that arose from news that broke in December of PIP silicone breast implants manufactured in France and sold in our country and elsewhere throughout the EU and worldwide that contain unapproved industrial grade silicone which could have serious implications for the health of many women. For that reason, we decided to hold a meeting today on this issue.

I invite Mr. O'Mahony to make his presentation.

Mr. Pat O’Mahony

I thank the Chairman and the members for this opportunity to speak with them. The Chairman has introduced us. In my introductory statement I will be as brief as I can and we will be happy to reply to as many comments and questions and we can deal with.

By way of a brief introduction, I will give a brief overview of the role of the Irish Medicines Board and in particular its remit in regard to medical devices. Our role is to protect and enhance public and animal health through the regulation of medicines, medical devices and health care products. We are involved in a wide range of these products. The IMB is the competent authority for medical devices in Ireland. We have a post-marketing role, which means we monitor products that have been placed on the market and are in use. The IMB is responsible for monitoring and vigilance of devices and we seek to detect, monitor, assess and act, when required, on safety issues that are identified. In addition, we designate and monitor the one notified body for medical devices which is based in Ireland, the NSAI.

There are many thousands of products classified as medical devices comprising a diverse array including, for example, syringes, crutches, contact lenses, diagnostic tests kits such as pregnancy test kits, devices such as CT scanners, and so-called invasive devices such as joint replacements, pacemakers, cardiac stents and breast implants, about which we are speaking this morning. Medical devices are widely used in health care and individual devices make a major contribution to health and well-being. Our role is to monitor the safety of these devices on the Irish market and in patient use in this country. We are committed to ensuring that any safety issue identified, be it through national incident reports or international data, is acted upon swiftly and decisively.

The IMB has no direct role in approving or certifying medical devices for marketing purposes in Ireland or any other country. I will set out how devices are approved in Europe. To place a medical device such as a breast implant on the Irish or EU market the manufacturer must be authorised to do so following an assessment conducted by a "notified body" for medical devices. There are currently over 80 such notified bodies based in Europe, and there is one in this country, the NSAI. A manufacturer can choose any designated notified body to award the CE mark for a particular product. Following its assessment and once satisfied that the device meets the relevant requirements, the notified body will issue a certificate for the medical device. This entitles the manufacturer to affix a CE mark to the device and thereafter market the product throughout the whole of Europe.

On the PIP silicone breast implant medical device under discussion today, this product was manufactured by the Poly Implant Prothèse Companybased in France which received a CE mark from a notified body based in Germany called TÜV Rheinland. As stated, this CE mark allowed the product to be sold throughout the EU, and it was exported worldwide with more than 300,000 units sold.

The product received its CE mark based on the details contained in the pre-market file reviewed by TÜV Rheinland. We now know that the PIP company acted fraudulently in changing the approved medical grade silicone to a lower non-medical grade and cheaper silicone. When this fraud was identified in 2010 by the French regulatory authority, the IMB, as well as other EU and international regulatory agencies, immediately moved to ensure this product ceased being used and was recalled. Since then, a series of actions have been undertaken in the interests of the women affected including a detailed investigation and testing of product to identify any potential safety risks, the issuing of specific advice, and at European level an assessment is under way to ensure that any lessons learned from this event are incorporated into the reform of the medical devices regulations which is currently being progressed by the European Commission.

Our absolute focus is patient safety. This was and continues to be the case with regard to PIP silicone breast implants. We fully appreciate the anxiety and concern this issue has caused the women affected and I will outline the actions we have taken to date. There is far more detail in the written submission we presented.

In summary, this issue began as an event on 30 March 2010 - two years ago tomorrow. The IMB was informed by the French regulatory body that it had suspended the manufacture, marketing, distribution and export of the PIP products. This action was taken following an inspection by it of the PIP manufacturing plant where it was found that most implants manufactured since 2001 were filled with an unauthorised silicone gel which differs in composition from the originally approved material. The inspection conducted by the French agency was prompted when an increase in the number of incident reports regarding device rupture and local complications associated with these products was noted in France. At that time the IMB had no reports of a device rupture in this country. The IMB immediately advised all clinics in this country that used these devices of the issue and advised them to cease the use of these products immediately.

From March 2010 to October 2011, the IMB continued to keep this matter under review and had repeated contact with the implanting clinics to whom we recommended that they directly contact all their patients who had received the implicated implants. We advised women with any concerns or queries to contact their implanting surgeon for clinical advice. During this period a range of test results also became available confirming that there was no evidence of toxicity in the unapproved silicone material.

In October 2011, the French agency was informed of the death of a patient who developed a lymphoma. This patient coincidentally had a PIP breast implant. That led to speculation in France that the implants might be associated with a risk of cancer and there was ensuing media interest. That led to a range of things happening in recent months. On 23 December 2011, following a detailed investigation in France, the French Ministry of Health issued a statement indicating "that to date there is no increased risk of cancer in women who have PIP implants compared to other implants." They dealt with the specific issue in regard to the patient.

On 21 and 23 December 2011 and 4 January 2012, teleconferences were conducted by the European Commission's Health Security Committee to discuss the PIP issue and to share the latest available information. The Scientific Committee on Emerging and Newly Identified Health Risks, SCENIHR, was requested to provide a rapid scientific opinion on the safety of PIP breast implants. In early February the committee published its initial findings. I noted its scientific opinion which concluded that "further work is proposed to establish with greater certainty the health risks, if any that may be associated with PIP silicone breast implants". It also concludes the important point that each case needs to be assessed individually. All of the women involved must be treated individually.

Over the Christmas 2011 period, the Minister for Health in the UK also established an expert committee to advise him on the issue. Following the review of all available evidence and data by this UK expert committee, it concluded that the existing advice given by our equivalent in the UK, the MHRA, remained valid and that there was not enough evidence to recommend routine explantation of these breast implants. The group also agreed that there was no evidence suggesting a link with cancer.

A co-ordinated approach to further laboratory testing continues and an international group of agencies, which includes the IMB, which is chaired by the Australian TGA, our equivalent body in Australia, has been established. To date, all the PIP implants that the TGA has tested have met the requirements of the standards. In particular, the TGA has not identified any toxic or irritant chemicals in either the shell of the implant or in the unauthorised gel, and the tests conducted by the TGA on the strength of the silicone shell and the consistency of the gel have also met all relevant standards. Laboratory testing of breast implants that have been surgically removed is also ongoing. It is not just unused retained samples; they have also been testing implants that have been removed. In mid-March 2012, the French authorities issued a further update to advise that it is possible that PIP implants manufactured prior to 2001 may have also contained the unauthorised silicone gel. I indicated previously that it was considered to be products from 2001 onwards, now it is believed that there could have been some fraudulent use of an unauthorised gel before 2001. While the number of Irish women involved during this period is not fully known at this time, current information suggests that fewer than approximately 50 additional patients in Ireland could be affected. The IMB continues to advise women with these implants that if they have any concerns about their breasts or implants, they should seek clinical advice from their implanting surgeon.

Since 20 December 2011, there has been a lot of media interest and, as a consequence, members of the public have contacted the IMB directly on the issue. We have dealt with more than 200 queries during this period. A significant number of these calls have resulted from lack of communication from one of the providers, namely, the Harley Medical Group, HMG. Following IMB recommendations in October 2010 to the three implanting clinics to contact their patients, the HMG confirmed in writing to the IMB on two separate occasions in November 2010 that it had written to all its Irish patients implanted with the PIP breast implants. Following a telephone call from a member of the public on 5 January 2012 to say that she had not been contacted by the HMG we contacted it for an explanation. It then informed us that in fact this direct specific patient contact letter was never sent and communication to patients was via its website. The IMB was extremely concerned and asked for an immediate explanation from the HMG. The explanation provided on the day was totally unacceptable and the IMB issued a statement to the press to this effect on the afternoon of 6 January 2012. The IMB also informed the UK's regulatory body of this development in Ireland as the HMG also operates in the UK where 18,000 women were involved with the Harley Medical Group, and, as in this country, they had not been contacted directly by the clinic.

Three private Irish clinics were involved in implanting these devices which are listed in the report. The Harley Medical Group was the larger of them, involving more than 1,100 women. The second was the Clane Hospital cosmetic surgery department, which treated approximately 250, and approximately 100 women were treated in the Shandon Street Hospital. Approximately 1,550 Irish patients were implanted with these PIP products. I mentioned the 50 cases which were before 2001 but are part of that total figure.

The Irish Medicines Board, IMB, has met with members of the patient-led PIP Action Group and discussed their concerns about the products and the follow-up they are receiving from the implanting centres. We have also kept the Department of Health fully informed on the matter.

If I may, I will briefly comment on the revision of medical devices legislation, which is an issue the members may want to probe today. The three primary European directives relating to medical devices, which establish all the regulatory framework about which I have spoken, are being substantially revised by the European Commission and it is expected that the Commission will adopt two new regulations relating to medical devices before the end of July of this year. These will then be subject to debate at the European Council and the Parliament.

Notwithstanding that, in early February the Commissioner for Health and Consumers, Commissioner Dalli, wrote to all national ministers for health across Europe indicating the need to increase control on medical devices, provide an appropriate level of protection to European citizens and restore trust and confidence in the regulatory system. Commissioner Dalli recognised in that letter that legislative revision would take several years to come into effect and identified the need to act immediately to achieve certain objectives in the coming months, as set out in his communication.

The IMB fully appreciates the anxiety and concern this issue has caused the 1,550 women affected in Ireland. We have been speaking individually to many of the women who have contacted us and have met a group of representatives. We are ensuring they have all the available information on this issue and are assisting them with their individual concerns.

We were also recently invited to attend a series of meetings arranged by the Department of Health and the chief medical officer with some of the cosmetic clinics and have added our voice to urging the clinics to have a duty of care to all their patients and to ensure that all their patients receive appropriate review.

The advice of the IMB, based on the evidence available from the ongoing investigation, remains unchanged, that is, there is no current evidence of particular health risks associated with the PIP silicone breast implants. The IMB continues to advise women with these implants that if they have any concerns about their breasts or their breast implants, they should seek clinical advice from their implanting surgeon.

The best interests of the affected women is our primary concern, and we are monitoring the situation rigorously and liaising closely with our European and international regulatory colleagues to ensure any new information that may emerge is assessed swiftly and that we continue to provide expert advice to the patients and to the cosmetic clinics involved.

Does Dr. Gilvarry wish to make any comment?

Dr. Joan Gilvarry

No, thank you. I will deal with the questions.

I thank the two witnesses for outlining the detail of this issue which is of grave concern to 1,500 women here. Many rumours were emanating from all quarters which created a high level of anxiety among people, but what I found alarming was that we did not seem to know who was ultimately responsible. The company no longer exists. It was using silicone fraudulently and there was no insurance.

What concerns me also is the issue of the licensing of medical facilities here, particularly in the area of cosmetic surgery. That is a key area to which we appear to have turned a blind eye in terms of regulation, licensing, oversight and ensuring these companies have insurance and indemnity. That issue will have to be discussed soon because the prevalence of cosmetic surgery here is increasing without there being any legislative oversight of it. That is a key point.

I refer to the international collaborative experience with regard to implants. Are the witnesses confident that if concerns arose in a country which had a greater usage of these breast implants, those concerns would be relayed automatically or would that be done by word of mouth? Has a proper system been established through which all information can be collated internationally because this issue affects 1,500 people here but affects multiples of that figure across the world? The statistics suggest that if a problem were to arise, it would happen first in an area where more of these breast implants are used. I ask the witnesses to give the committee clarity on the system in place.

Is the IMB statutorily responsible for ensuring that the Harley Medical Group, for example, liaises properly with its patients or are the witnesses doing this because they believe they are in some way responsible for the issue of devices?

On the broader issue, while this is a European-wide issue in terms of the legislation, and the European Commission is bringing forward more proposals with regard to oversight and regulation of medical devices, it is clear that the oversight failed in this particular case. If difficulties arise at some stage in the future, who is responsible if the company has gone out of business and had no insurance? Ultimately, who will be responsible in terms of funding for removal of breast implants or will that have to be borne by the people who had the surgery? Do medical companies such as the Harley Medical Group, Clane Hospital or Shandon Street Hospital have indemnity or would they be responsible for the removal of these implants if that was the wish of the patient? Some patients are concerned about that, and in Britain many of them are indicating that they want them removed. What is the position in this particular case?

I commend the Chairman's initiative in proposing that we address this issue in committee. I welcome Mr. O'Mahony and Dr. Gilvarry. We should make no mistake that there is a significant body of women and their families who are deeply distressed by all of what Mr. O'Mahony has shared with us this morning. When we talk about the combined figures across the three clinics of approximately 1,500, that is very likely not to be the full picture. I have no doubt that with the three clinics - Shandon Street Hospital in Cork, the Harley Medical Group and Clane Hospital - many other Irish women probably left this jurisdiction to access similar procedures. We must be mindful that it is very likely that a much greater number of women living in this jurisdiction are directly affected by the PIP scandal, to call it what it is.

We need to know today how we will ensure that real regulation applies not only to this product but to all products that are destined for use in terms of bodily implants in particular. I note from the Irish Medicines Board's own mission statement that it is the designated competent authority for the regulation of medical devices and cosmetic products in Ireland. In that context it is important that we get a sense of its duty and how it can give effect to that in terms of holding these clinics accountable for their duty of care to these women. It is in the first instance about their health. That is the first focus.

It is clear from what we have been told, and even in Mr. O'Mahony's account, that the Harley Medical Group has not engaged in a full and proper way with the women concerned. The advice the Irish Medicines Board and others have been giving is to consult the surgeon involved, but they cannot access the surgeon involved. I understand that is the experience of so many of the women. This is a dreadful set of circumstances and it is compounding a very serious problem for a cohort of relatively young women who have become deeply distressed over their prospect of a long and happy life. This is a very serious matter.

Somehow, there ought to be intervention, from whatever quarter, such as the Department of Health, to compel the clinics to remove the fraudulent products from the bodies of the women concerned and, where requested by the woman, replace them with safe products.

I am not taken by the most recent safety notice issued referencing no evidence of genotoxicity or chemical toxicity. With respect, the absence of evidence is not the same as there being no risk. Women need to have certainty in this regard; it is very important.

Let me recount a particular case that was brought my attention. There are consequences for women with fraudulent implants in their bodies. In the case in question, which may have been brought to the attention of other members, a young single woman in her 20s from a family with a significant incidence of breast cancer, resulting in the loss of life of her mother and aunt, is required to have mammograms every two years and a clinical check-up once or twice yearly because of her family history. However, because she now has implants, the hospital concerned, according to the nurses, cannot proceed with the mammograms. This is because there is a high risk of the PIP implants rupturing. Regardless of whether the implants have already ruptured, the mammograms are not being proceeded with. I do not know how many similar cases there are but this one is a real and fully verified one among those of the more than 1,500 women affected.

It is not enough for us to address this issue here today. While it is important that we do so, we need to have a plan of action to support the PIP action group that has been established. The group constitutes a representative voice for the women concerned. We must heed its call for help and support and offer them in a real and practical way.

In all my years as a Deputy and spokesman on health and children, I had believed I had seen and heard it all in regard to the dreadful treatment of women by health practitioners carrying out a range medical interventions. We believed poor treatment to be historical. I include symphysiotomy and a range of other interventions affecting women. It is incredible that a new generation of women is being shown the same disrespect by way of an attitude to the effect that anything will do. The implication is that the women do not matter. The profit motive is the real incentive of the manufacturers and those at all the other fault lines up to the delivery of the implant. It is absolutely outrageous that in our medical centres, be they in the public system or private clinics, low standards are the order of the day where women's health and bodily needs are concerned. This must stop.

I am sorry I was a little late. To follow up on a point made by Deputy Ó Caoláin, the central reality that determines the low quality of health care in general in Ireland and health care related to cancer and other women's health issues is the structure and staffing of the health service. In a system with one sixth of the European average number of specialists in any designated specialty, there will be deficient care. All the fiddling around the edges with contracts and new bureaucracies will not fix it. The reality is that we either grasp the nettle of fixing our health service or we do not. As long as we do not, we will have problems.

I thank Mr. O'Mahony and Dr. Gilvarry for attending. Were all the PIP implants inserted in the three clinics? Were any other centres involved? I understand one of the groups is no longer in operation. Deputy Ó Caoláin should note that none of the three centres is part of the mainstream health service. One is a small and generally highly reputed private hospital. The other two centres are way beyond the mainstream health service and are not in any sense representative of what happens either in the public or major private centres.

We know an inferior, industrial, non-medical grade of silicone was used. Were there specific toxicology tests that show the silicone was more dangerous than other types and that there were associated health risks? It is not so long ago that we were concerned about the possibility that medical grade silicone was very toxic. There has been a certain level of reassurance in this regard.

There are many issues related to this problem. The women have been done a considerable disservice and have been the victims of a considerable injustice. However, the principal problem is that many of them clearly had bad advice. They were not given full details of the time. Bearing in mind that Deputy Ó Caoláin has stated the absence of proof does not constitute proof that there is no risk, the reality is that many women will want to have their implants removed. The bigger issue, which is not really the responsibility of the Irish Medicines Board, concerns how the Government and health authorities will deal with the issue of women who had implants inserted privately and who wish to have them removed, in some cases without recourse to those who inserted them and without the option of having the procedure funded by those who inserted them. We need to send out a very clear message that the responsibility rests with the practitioners and proprietors of the private health facilities that inserted the implants. These are the people who should be pursued 100% to cover associated costs, losses, liabilities or future risks to the women who were subjected to the procedure.

I am trying to understand the roles of the notified body and the medical registration authority, such as the Irish Medicines Board. Is the CE mark, given in this case by the German company, just based on an assessment of documents provided by the manufacturer? Did the company have a remit for conducting an actual chemical analysis or other kind of structural analysis of the product implanted? Is there any provision for our setting a higher bar in Ireland rather than simply taking the word of one of the designated CE licensing entities in Europe? Can we in Ireland actually state we want something more and that before we license or approve a product, we would like to have it subjected to further scrutiny and perhaps analysis?

I have gleaned as much as I need to know from the Irish Medicines Board. This committee has a definite job to do on other issues related to this matter. I share Deputy Ó Caoláin's very strong concerns about the ethics applied in the handling of some of these issues. Those are my specific questions for the board.

Mr. Pat O’Mahony

I thank the members for their questions. I will try to take a few together, if I may. One of the central messages running through the questions is that the Irish Medicines Board is the competent authority - the regulator - for medical devices. However, in this case the devices are being used in cosmetic surgery clinics, as referred to by a number of the speakers. These clinics are not subject to any licensing regime or oversight. It is correct to state those clinics do not fall directly under the remit of the Irish Medicines Board. As the competent authority for medical devices, we take our responsibilities seriously. In this case, we followed the supply chain for the products directly through the wholesale system to find out where they had gone to and then contacted all of the users directly. However, we have no statutory basis to access these clinics or their individual patient files.

To whom are they accountable?

Mr. Pat O’Mahony

They are not accountable.

They may do as they wish.

Mr. Pat O’Mahony

They are not accountable.

In other words, they can operate on a laissez-faire basis.

Mr. Pat O’Mahony

Senator John Crown has referred to that issue. They are not accountable and not within any approval system. They are private cosmetic surgery clinics.

Consequently, they can do as they wish.

Mr. Pat O’Mahony

In essence, they can do as they wish.

Is that acceptable?

Mr. Pat O’Mahony

No one finds it acceptable. As I noted, the chief medical officer has called each clinic to a meeting and involved the IMB in these meetings.

Senator John Crown mentioned Clane Hospital. As members have been hearing, the hospital dealt with this issue as soon as it came to public notice 18 months or two years ago. It reviewed all its patients and had them undergo scans. It made available a surgeon for consultation; all cases were reviewed and everything was dealt with. As a consequence, a number of the women concerned have had their implants removed, replaced and so on. The anxiety is felt by the clients, patients and customers of the Harley Medical Group which has made very little effort to deal with the matter. For members' information, at the meeting with the group, the chief medical officer insisted that a level of care was required for the women affected. Although this included availability for a scan, access to a scan and direct access to the surgeon for a consultation, these measures have not yet been provided for by the group. A round of correspondence is under way between the chief medical officer and the chief executive of the group who is based in the United Kingdom and deals with the United Kingdom and Ireland. While this round is under way and progressing, it is absolutely the case that the 1,100 women dealt with by the group are not being adequately dealt with.

This has moved beyond the correspondence stage because, as Deputies Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin and Billy Kelleher and Senator John Crown have observed, this concerns 1,000 women.

Mr. Pat O’Mahony

We believe approximately 100 of the 1,100 Harley Medical Group patients have got to see a surgeon. The bar set for them before they can speak to a surgeon and have a proper review is extraordinarily high. In so far as we can comment on it, the IMB does not register or supervise such clinics and, as I stated, they are not supervised. That pertains to the statutory responsibility in respect of the group. The IMB, obviously, is the statutory agency responsible for devices.

Deputy Billy Kelleher raised another issue regarding international collaboration and so on and is absolutely correctly in this respect. My figures show that 300,000 such devices have been used internationally and that our numbers are very small. Consequently, one requires access to that bigger family to ascertain what is happening in the marketplace. However, one encounters the same problem in the cosmetic use of this type of product. For example, I refer to the use of cardiac stents which are medical devices that are also regulated by us. Stents are inserted into people's bodies in approved medical centres internationally with proper systems in place. Consequently, if an issue crops up with a stent, we will know about it very quickly. The issue with the product under discussion is that there are no registries or public records on where they have been used. This is one of the issues the new European regulations specifically seek to address, namely, the establishment of a registry. Such a registry would mean that each time a woman received one or two breast implants, a cardiac stent, or a hip that information would be available in a central registry to which we would have access and manage. This would give almost real-time access to information when problems arose.

We are aware that people are travelling abroad. We have made reference to this a number of times. A feature of the cosmetic surgery sector is that people travel abroad, again to unrelated clinics. They travel throughout Europe and further afield to unregulated, unregistered and unapproved clinics to have procedures done and then return home. Thereafter, if problems arise, they have very little support they can receive from anywhere. The duty of care must rest with the clinic. I refer to the issue of insisting on the clinic having a duty of care, as does the individual surgeon. Members must remember a surgeon is involved in each of these individual cases who has accountability to the Medical Council and so on. Such surgeons have issues they must take on board.

I fully appreciate the comment made that no evidence of toxicity, which is what the IMB is stating, is not the same as zero risk. While this is the case, members will appreciate that in each technological item we regulate, be it medicines or medical devices, nothing is entirely risk-free. We are always balancing the benefit and the risk and in this case, the reason our advice is as it stands is there are risks associated with having a review and further surgery to have implants removed and replaced. There are also certain risks associated with that course of action in respect of the surgery, anaesthesia, infections and so on involved.

Senator John Crown asked the same question regarding the tests available and so on. An extensive amount of testing is under way. While we do not have direct laboratory access in Ireland, work is being done in the United Kingdom, France and Australia. We are involved in a small group which is controlling and steering this work and have access on a weekly basis to the updates on all of the results of this testing. All of the results indicate that the silicone used, while it was not the specified medical grade, did not have a safety profile that was any different from regular medical silicone. I understand and fully appreciate this is of little comfort to the individual women who know it was implanted fraudulently.

Senator John Crown asked a number of questions about the CE mark and how it was applied to a product. I outlined the notified body structure. When breast implants were first approved more than ten years ago, they were classed as class IIb, a slightly lower classification of medical device. They subsequently have been reclassified at class III, the highest level of classification. They are classified as invasive devices similar to cardiac stents. A considerable portion of the file produced and then presented to the notified body for approval is based on laboratory testing, pre-clinical testing, animal testing and so on. Very little clinical trial work is conducted in medical devices. That is the regulatory regime. As to whether one can impose a higher standard in Ireland, I note these are European directives and regulations into which we have bought. In the next 12 months or so, particularly during Ireland's Presidency during the first half of 2013 when it will chair the Council, these new regulations will be going through the main part of their development and there will be a huge opportunity for Ireland to influence how they are drafted.

Do we have a plan in place in that regard?

Mr. Pat O’Mahony

We have. We are in dialogue with the Department. We also have met a number of the Irish MEPs who are involved in the European Parliament discussion on that topic. Would Dr. Gilvarry be comfortable in commenting on the individual case mentioned by Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin and the interference with the mammogram?

Dr. Joan Gilvarry

It is very difficult to comment on an individual case. My best advice is that she needs to talk to her GP or surgeon at the hospital in question. Without being a radiologist, a mammogram would not be a way to diagnose the rupture of implants. The sensitivity and specificity of an MRI would diagnose whether she implant had ruptured. However, mammograms are used as indicators of breast carcinoma and their sensitivity in diagnosing a rupture is not good. It is very difficult. She really needs to discuss the matter with her surgeon.

To clarify, it is not that she wants to have a mammogram, rather there is a strong family history of cancer that has led to a number of early end-of-life cases. It is part of the ongoing observation of her own progress in life. This is supposed to happen, yet it cannot happen now due to the fact that she has PIP implants.

Dr. Joan Gilvarry

I am not sure.

There may be other cases. With respect to Dr. Gilvarry, there is nothing to be unsure about, because this is what the hospital has actually said.

Dr. Joan Gilvarry

If I could clarify what I am not sure about - I am not sure one can say that this is definitely because of PIP implants. This is probably because of breast implants. All breast implants carry rupture rates between 1% and 10% and maybe more depending on how long they are in. Therefore this is not specific to a PIP implant, as such. Any lady with any breast implant who has a family history of breast cancer must discuss that with her individual doctor.

Mr. Pat O’Mahony

Could I come back in?

Mr. Pat O’Mahony

Senator Crown asked if all the implants were in the three clinics we have named. There may be some confusion about cosmetic clinics that went out of business or whose business was taken over, but we have traced all of the implants to those three clinics through the wholesale chain. Advance cosmetic surgery was involved early on and now the hospital group is involved, but they are all captured in the three specific institutions we have mentioned.

I will now call on Deputy Catherine Byrne, to be followed by Senator Colm Burke.

I want to thank the witnesses for appearing before the committee this morning. I am disappointed by the lack of women participants from the Seanad and the Dáil. All those people who have been busy sending out statements on this issue should be here.

I am sorry to interrupt the Deputy but I also wish to welcome all the women in the Public Gallery who are part of the PIP Implant Action Group.

I also want to welcome those women in the Public Gallery. I did not realise they were from the PIP group. I had a number of questions but some of them have already been covered by Senator Crown and the Irish Medicines Board representatives. Senator Crown referred to the body in Germany that decided to give a rating to PIP implants. Why do we not have some system in place here to double check that such implants have a safety certificate? Seemingly we only have one such body in Ireland, the NSAI, to which Senator Crown referred. Why is there nothing else to identify such material when it is classed as okay outside this country? We should have somebody else checking it here also. That is really important for us.

The House of Commons select committee on health was told that the implants contained industrial silicone some 20 months before a general safety alert was issued last December. That committee accepted that the women affected had not been adequately informed, which is disgraceful. The same goes for all Irish women affected by this matter.

We have been told that the Irish Medicines Board focuses on patient safety but - besides talking to private clinics first - when did the IMB issue a national safety alert about the silicone implants? As we now know, they were faulty implants. An earlier diagnosis should have been given to the 1,550 people concerned in Ireland because their lives were at risk.

How can the IMB's best advice be, according to its statement, that there is no particular current risk associated with PIP silicone implants, when one person has died in France and women in other countries have been advised to have the implants removed? I am not a doctor or a scientist, thank God, but one man's meat is another man's poison as far as I am concerned.

Should the Department of Health here, as in England, pay for the removal of these implants? If not, what will happen to the people concerned?

From a human angle, women in this country have been badly treated on this matter. Whether it concerns one, 20, 50 or 1,500 women they are human beings and deserve better. For whatever reason they decided to have these implants - be it cosmetic or otherwise - they should be treated as human beings, rather than numbers.

Sometimes we decide to close the stable door after the horse has bolted, and it now seems to be happening again. I was going to ask why was the lobby group not invited to this meeting to witness the proceedings, but the Chairman has already told me that there are some representatives here.

On the ITV news last night many women spoke about the distress this matter has caused them and their families. If an implant is leaking, but has not ruptured, it should be dealt with straight away. Those affected should not be allowed to continue walking around trying to go about their daily lives. They know now that what they believed they were buying into at the time was not what it said on the tin, and that needs to be identified.

I thank the Irish Medicines Board representatives for their presentation. I have a query about the IMB's supervisory role and the obligations on someone who opens a clinic. For instance, to whom are they answerable? There is also the question of minimum standards and professional indemnity insurance. For example, if I am practising as a solicitor I must have a minimum amount of professional indemnity insurance. Is there a regulation in place which means that companies opening such clinics have a certain level of insurance cover? If that is not in place, however, where is the accountability? I am somewhat concerned about that.

The second issue I wish to raise concerns the European directive. When I was an MEP, up to 2009, the manufacturers of medical devices were involved in a major lobbying campaign to water down various directives. There are quite a number of medical device manufacturers In this country, but it is a question of finding a balance. What input have we had to date on the development of directives and regulations? The IMB representatives referred to Ireland's EU Presidency next year and while we are doing some work in this regard, I wonder what input the Department of Health has had on this matter to date. We must ensure that we have strict and comprehensive regulation, while avoiding overregulation. It is therefore about getting a balance and I wonder how much work we have done on that to date.

I thank the Irish Medicines Board representatives for coming here today. Why is the IMB not directly involved in approving and certifying medical devices for marketing purposes in Ireland? Why are there 80 notified bodies in Europe but only one in Ireland? The CE mark is supposed to be of a very high standard. The PIP silicone implant medical devices were manufactured by Poly Implant Prosthesis, PIP, based in France. However, the CE mark was from a notified body in Germany. Over 300,000 such implants have been sold worldwide. Why was the CE mark not issued in France?

In March 2010, they were informed by the French medical device regulatory authority that the PIP products were suspended. From 2001 to 2010, the poly implants were filled with a silicone gel. I cannot understand why there was no inspection in the plant from 2001 to 2010, or were there inspections? How come it took so long to find out that there was a problem with these implants?

I apologise for being late as I was attending another meeting which overran its schedule. I join with other committee members in welcoming Mr. O'Mahony and Dr. Gilvarry, as well as members of the action group. Given the very nature of this subject, we need to do more than welcome people from an action group. We should be congratulating them and I hope they do not mind me saying so. Given the suffering and trauma of so many women in this case, that serves to remind us of the courage that some take in putting themselves forward in being representative of all those involved, and that needs to be acknowledged today.

The motivation for me here this morning is to be representative of that group, and that is why I particularly welcome the action group. This meeting should not be an end in itself. This should be part of a process, in fact, the beginning of a process, not only for people to go away from here and feel that questions were answered satisfactorily or, as I suspect is the case, some questions were not answered satisfactorily. This must be part of a process and we need to put this in context.

I was upset, as, I am sure, everybody was, when we heard about this development, not only because of what happened but also because of the way - Deputy Ó Caoláin touched on it - down through the decades the women of Ireland and women in general have suffered through bad practice. I want to see this as a first step in a process that will see the Oireachtas facilitating and supporting these people in every way it can.

Mr. Pat O’Mahony

On the notified body, whether there are any checks or can be any checks after the product receives its CE mark, and why it is imported directly when it is CE marked in Europe, the European approval system is that the companies are obliged to go to what are called "notified bodies". There are 80 of these notified bodies in Europe. They are generally commercial operators. As I told the committee, in Ireland it is the NSAI, which is a State body. There are a few other examples throughout Europe where these are part of state bodies, but generally they are private commercial organisations.

Their role is set out in the European directives. The specific task they are asked to do is to look at the files and then to award the certificate which allows the CE mark to be applied. The CE mark, once applied anywhere in Europe, is for the entire of Europe. The fact that it is a German, French or Irish notified body makes no difference. If the notified body in Ireland awarded a CE mark to a product that could have been produced in France or in Germany, that CE mark brings that product to the whole of Europe. That is the way the procedure operates.

On Deputy Catherine Byrne's question about what can be done after the product comes to the market, something that needs to be enhanced is what we call surveillance and vigilance, which is, looking at the marketplace and seeing what is going on, and taking samples of products, etc. Much of that is provided for in the revision of the legislation, strengthening the systems that are currently in place.

She mentioned the position in the UK. I will ask Dr. Givarry to address when our alerts were issued here.

She mentioned a person having died in France and removal already being approved or recommended in other countries. Certainly, the science is the same. The information that we have available to us across Europe is the same, but individual countries are certainly making specific decisions based on their own local circumstances.

She mentioned the issue of devices being not ruptured, but leaking. That is an important issue. That is why our advice all along is that these women, on a case-by-case basis, need to be able to go and meet their GP, then go on and meet the implanting surgeon and have a proper correct discussion and get advice that is specific to their particular circumstances, and then based on the evidence from the scan, make an informed choice with the full knowledge of what the revision surgery will involve, etc.

The question of insurance is quite an important one. It comes back to the earlier comments about the sector. The cosmetic clinic surgery sector is not regulated. We, with the Department of Health, have asked in our meetings with the clinics about insurance and what levels of insurance they have, etc. They would argue that they have various insurance, but not adequate for this current crisis. The individual professionals, such as the anaesthetist and surgeon involved, have their insurance but the insurance of the clinics which have the contract with the individual woman for providing this service does not seem to be adequate in this case.

Is there minimum insurance in place?

Mr. Pat O’Mahony

The question was, is there a legal obligation? Since they are not regulated, I do not understand that there is any particular legal obligation. No one can say to them they must have this or that level of cover because they are not being inspected or approved by anybody.

On the issue of medical devices lobbying and what input we might have in the revision of the legislation, we all understand how legislation goes through the European process and, of course, various voices are heard during that process. There is a division in the Department of Health reporting through the chief pharmacist which is heavily involved already in the preparatory work and would have met with those involved, right up to the most senior person, the director in the European Commission in DG SANCO. I am aware that they have had a number of meetings. Our own experts have also been involved in a wide range of meetings. We are heavily involved. Personally, as chief executive, I am heavily invested in all of this as well, recognising that it will be quite a big issue during Ireland's Presidency. We have been quite involved.

Returning to Senator Colm Burke's comments, is it of gargantuan consequence that there is no regulation, Murphy's law applies and the consequence is before us where women in this case are suffering and are the victims?

Even though the medical practitioners would have insurance, it is a question of whom the contract is with.

That is my point.

This is where the legal problem will arise.

Mr. Pat O’Mahony

The substantive issue in all of this is that while we are regulating the medical devices and can look to comment on their relative safety and respective issues, the non-regulation of clinics is the big issue.

I deal with the various aspects of the notified bodies. Perhaps Dr. Gilvarry would comment on the UK select committee and when women were informed, or when they were informed here.

Dr. Joan Gilvarry

I will not go through it in detail. It is all outlined in the committee briefing note for today in Annex 1, the outline of events as pertinent to the communication.

Everyone has seen this as part of the briefing.

Dr. Joan Gilvarry

Our safety notices are in there too.

At the end of March, approximately two years ago to the day when we heard this, we traced where the devices had gone to the different clinics and immediately contacted them to stop using the device. We had no further information at that time as regards advice. We had to wait for testing that was done in the UK, France and Australia. Initial results started to become available in September of that year. We contacted the clinics and told them that we would have full results the following month and to start preparing their lists of patients that they had treated.

In October 2010, we had results available and we went out to the three clinics at that time, told them the results of the tests and asked them to contact their patients and follow-on from them. In November 2010, we went again to the clinics to check that they had done this. As Mr. O'Mahony referred to earlier, Harley Medical Group came back and stated that it had told its patients and had sent a letter to them. We went back another time asking had they informed all the implanting clinics and the patients in all of those clinics. They came back and confirmed a second time to us in writing that they had informed all the different private implanting clinics all over the country. They gave us a copy of the letter they had supposedly sent and also told us, because Harley Medical Group, HMG, which is unregulated, is a UK company, that they had sent the UK regulatory advice to all the Irish patients. We had all of this documentation that the potential 1,100 women had been contacted.

We thereafter got reports of rupture reported to us from Harley Medical Group, in fact, I think, 16 between October 2010 and December 2011, and we could only believe that they had contacted their patients. We have no direct access to the patients. However, on the basis of those results in October, we sent a safety notice to general practitioners, plastic surgeons, the different hospitals - this is included in the committee's documentation.

I am conscious that representatives of the Harley Medical Group are not present to defend themselves. I do not dispute what Dr. Gilvarry is saying but I have to point this out.

Dr. Joan Gilvarry

That is fine. We have discussed this and corresponded with them on it. In May 2011, we issued a second safety notice. There was much media coverage of this. We put it on our website with an alert to the media and, therefore, women were informed. It became a bigger event after the death of the patient in France in October. France says the death of the woman was not related to PIP implants. As Mr. O'Mahony stated, we got a telephone call from a concerned patient at the beginning of January. We could not understand after all the communication why she had not been contacted and we then heard the group had not contacted its patients. We would not be here today if some of the groups had contacted their patients, looked after them and observed their duty of care. Since then, we have followed up with the clinics under the Chief Medical Officer and asked the groups to observe their duty of care to their patients.

I raised this issue in the Dáil a few weeks ago in the context of proposed legislation. Two Bills relating to medical practitioners and regulation of clinics are promised in the programme for Government but they will not be ready for some time and that is a concern. Clearly, the difficulty is the fact that there is no regulation and oversight of the private clinics. I read the debate in the House of Commons and the Harley Medical Group representatives were quite belligerent about this to put it mildly. Dr. Gilvarry might not be able to say that but I can. They have, at the very least, abdicated their moral and ethical obligations. However, the NHS has stated it will fund the removal of the PIP breast implants, although it will not fund replacements.

We have an obligation in this context. A total of 1,500 women are concerned and that is the issue we must address. We should invite the Chief Medical Officer to appear before the committee as soon as possible. We all have had representations from the various individuals and organisations affected. While I understand the legal responsibility of the Department, it seems to be pushing the responsibility for this back on to the private clinics in the replies I have received to parliamentary questions but some private clinics are not even making an effort to co-operate, for example, in releasing medical records to patients or even informing them a PIP breast implant had been used. That is a major concern and we should write to the clinics concerned-----

I was going to suggest that we invite their representatives to appear before us as part of this series of meetings.

We should outline our genuine disquiet about how some of them have handled this issue because our only obligation must be to the 1,500 women concerned and others who have concerns. The Chief Medical Officer should be brought before the committee.

We will discuss that during private session.

We should also make a case to the HSE and the Department of Health. This not only affects the women's physical health; it could have a major profound impact on their mental health. If they want to remove their breast implants, a mechanism should be put in place if the private clinics abdicate their responsibility. There should be a moral obligation on the State to assist them in some way. That is the clear view of committee members and we should be vocal about that.

I support that proposition. I referred to a case earlier in the context of mammogram access and there may be others. I checked my notes from the earlier exchange and I can confirm that the lady in question had mammograms following the implant process. It is not the case that because a women has implants, she cannot have access to mammograms. It is clear and specific that the hospital concerned and the nurse involved indicated they do not do mammograms on women who have PIP implants.

The emotional stress is real and it is being experienced now; it is not something that is coming down the road. We need to act with alacrity. I appreciate this is a sensitive and private issue for women and most will be reluctant to even acknowledge they are one of the number affected. The figures for the three clinics have been outlined, although the figure attributed to the Shandon Street, Cork, clinic is approximately 100 and a much higher figure had been signalled to me in a previous meeting I attended. The clinic is in liquidation. What is the position? Perhaps Dr. Gilvarry's figure is correct.

Women have accessed the procedure outside the jurisdiction. Could the IMB have a role in ascertaining how many? Is it possible to advertise on a website to encourage people to come forward to the PIP action group with discretion and in total confidence or Patient Focus or the Department of Health? Ultimately, addressing these matters must be undertaken by the Department.

Where can the committee get assurances that whatever product is currently in use is fully certified and appropriate? There is no regulation or monitoring of the practices of the Harley Medical Group and these procedures have not stopped. I hope it can be confirmed the PIP implants have ceased. I acknowledge the IMB has issued a directive not to use them. Can we have assurances that the product being used is properly certified and appropriate? Are all products used fully traceable? Has the IMB a hands-on opportunity to guarantee that standards today are as it would wish?

There are several issues. People should leave the meeting with some reassurance that we do not have clear evidence that a specific cancer risk is associated with these implants. That is in no sense attempting to exculpate the great wrong done to these women but, with regard to the mental well-being of those worrying about these implants, there is a lack of evidence at this point in time. A lack of evidence means something. I agree with Deputy Ó Caoláin that it does not mean conclusively that there is evidence it is safe but there is a lack of evidence.

The second issue is the women who have had these implants have an unanswerable, prima facie, bona fide case that the implants should be removed if they wish to have them removed. There should be no discussion about this. Women who wish to have one of these removed should be able to do so without having to jump hurdles. They entered a contract with someone to have a safe medically certified device put in and the contract was broken. The sad reality is those who were most proximately criminally culpable no longer exist as a financial entity with reserves that can be tapped into to defray the cost. We, as a society and as the proprietors of our public health system, have to look on these women not only as the victims of a crime in a tort but as our patients. There is an obligation on our system to look after them even if it was not the fault of the system. There should be no discussion about us not being held financially responsible for removing these implants. If women wish to have them removed, they should have access to a remove on demand facility following appropriate professional consultation with somebody in the employ of the State or contracted to the State to do it.

There should be a few avenues to pursue funding but this is not my remit. A number of agencies and entities have liability. I am not sure what is the legal position or the financial circumstances of the TÜV CE company but, clearly, it certified a product of a quality, which it was not, and it should face some level of culpability for it. I do not believe that a surgeon acting in good faith, who puts in one of these devices having been told by the regulatory authorities, TÜV Rheinland and the procurement agency in his hospital that it is safe, has a personal responsibility for doing that. However, it may well be from what I am hearing that many of these surgeons have a degree of liability in terms of failure to give appropriate advice, get appropriate consent, and give full information about the full risks and benefits associated with what is essentially a cosmetic implant such as this. If we are attempting to find some degree of funding to support the inevitable burden that will accrue to the health service from performing what I believe is a totally justified and necessary service in removing the implants, we should look critically at the cases involved and find out if their insurers bear some degree of liability.

It is not the biggest job in the world - the bureaucracies make everything sound awful. Some 1,500 women is not a large number to keep an eye on in the short term. We can work this out. There should be a system whereby they can all get ultrasound scans if necessary, mammograms if appropriate, and examinations by a suitably qualified breast reconstructive surgeon. We need a strategic meeting in this committee of all the relevant expertise we can bring to bear. In addition to the Chief Medical Officer, we should also invite representatives of the mainstream breast surgery, breast reconstruction and radiology who can give us some more informed opinion on what can be done. We should urge the Department and the HSE to set up some urgent monitoring facilities in the short term for these women now.

I have been taken aback by what Senator Crown has said. I agree with everything he has said. Ultimately the State is responsible for looking after these women - we have to look after them. In his presentation Mr. O'Mahony said he had met many of these women in recent months. How many has he met? Are they involved in any kind of treatment and, if so, at what stage?

I agree with Deputy Kelleher about inviting the Chief Medical Officer and it should be done at the earliest possible date.

Do Mr. O'Mahony or Dr. Gilvarry have any further comments?

Mr. Pat O’Mahony

We appreciate the opportunity to outline what is going on with regard to the regulation of medical devices. We have established to my mind that this is really an issue of lack of regulation in the cosmetic surgery sector. Many of the suggestions are very appropriate. Having spoken to hundreds of people on the phone we recognise that their emotional stress is very real and a solution needs to be found

I thank Mr. O'Mahony and Dr. Gilvarry for attending and sharing their views. It is incredible that there is no regulation. There seems to have been an abdication of responsibility and the committee will need to consider how we can take this further. This is an emotive issue. It is about women for whom there is a duty of care on the part of those with responsibility. I also thank the women from the action group who are present in the Gallery.

The joint committee went into private session at 1.15 p.m. and adjourned at 1.40 p.m. sine die.
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