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JOINT COMMITTEE ON JUSTICE, EQUALITY, DEFENCE AND WOMEN'S RIGHTS debate -
Wednesday, 14 Feb 2007

European Council Framework Decision on Fight Against Organised Crime: Motion.

I welcome the Minister of State at the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform, Deputy Fahey, and his officials to the meeting, the purpose of which is to consider a motion for a Council framework decision on the fight against organised crime. The motion was referred by both Houses to the joint committee. Before the Minister of State makes his presentation, I welcome Deputy Blaney as the new convenor of the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Justice, Equality, Defence and Women's Rights and wish him well in his task. I also thank Deputy Hoctor for the enormous amount of work and effort she devoted to the position of convenor in the past number of years.

Members have been furnished with copies of the briefing notes supplied by the Department and the text of the framework decision. I now invite the Minister of State to make his presentation.

I join with the Cathaoirleach in congratulating Deputy Blaney and in wishing him well in his new post, as well as in thanking Deputy Hoctor for the enthusiasm she brought to the position.

I thank members of the joint committee for allowing me to bring before them this EU proposal for a Council framework decision on the fight against organised crime. The proposal is before the joint committee on foot of motions and in line with established practice, as well as the advice of the Attorney General in respect of seeking the prior approval of the Houses of the Oireachtas on EU-related instruments.

The motion states:

Dáil Éireann approves the exercise by the State of the option or discretion provided by Article 1.11 of the Treaty of Amsterdam to take part in the adoption of the following proposed measure:

a proposal for a Council Framework Decision on the fight against organised crime, a copy of which proposed measure was laid before Dáil Éireann on 15 June 2006.

There is a similar motion from Seanad Éireann.

The proposal is made in the context of the provisions of Title VI of the EU treaty which deals with judicial co-operation in criminal matters. These provisions created an objective of providing citizens with a high level of safety in terms of freedom, security and justice. The objective is to be achieved by preventing and combating crime, organised or otherwise, particularly terrorism, human trafficking, offences against children, illicit drug and arms trafficking, corruption and fraud. The means for achieving this objective include closer co-operation between judicial authorities and approximation, where necessary, of rules on criminal matters. The purpose of the proposal is to strengthen the capacity of the European Union and member states to combat transnational organised crime. Its primary purpose is to have a common EU approach to criminalising the activities of those involved in criminal organisations.

It is important to remember that the European Union has been concerned about tackling organised crime for a considerable time. In 1998 a joint action making it a criminal offence to participate in a criminal organisation in any member state was agreed. The proposal being considered today will replace that joint action. It covers much of the same ground, but goes beyond it in some respects and will, if adopted, supersede it. Part 7 of the Criminal Justice Act 2006 gave effect to the joint action and provisions of the United Nations Convention against Transnational Organised Crime.

At its meeting on 28 April 2006 the Justice and Home Affairs Council of Ministers reached a consensus on the text of the instrument. It is expected that all other outstanding parliamentary scrutiny reservations will be lifted shortly, allowing for adoption of the instrument by the Justice and Home Affairs Council.

As members of the committee are aware, the Criminal Justice Act 2006 created new offences targeting the activities of those involved in or who may commit offences for the benefit of criminal organisations. It also provided for the transposition of international obligations under the EU joint action and relevant parts of the UN Convention against Transnational Organised Crime. Most of the provisions in the instrument we are considering have been addressed in the Act and any necessary proposal will in due course be drawn up in consultation with the Office of the Attorney General and brought before both Houses of the Oireachtas in the normal way.

Members will recall that officials from my Department appeared before the committee on 27 July 2005 and outlined the background and content of this measure, including progress and changes to the instrument. The committee requested to be kept informed of progress on the instrument, in particular concerning an expected UK proposal. It also requested details of the Tánaiste's legislative proposals in respect of organised crime which have been forwarded to members. I understand the committee was subsequently informed that the details of the UK proposal did not receive a favourable response from member states. In April 2006 it was informed of progress on the instrument. Regarding the provisions of the Criminal Justice Act 2006, members of the committee were involved in the debate during its passage through the Oireachtas.

The main change to the proposal since the appearance of departmental officials before the committee in 2005 is that the offence of directing a criminal organisation was removed from the instrument. Member states now have the option of creating an offence on the basis of either the conspiracy approach, that is, an agreement between parties to commit an offence, or a participation-type approach, that is, participation in the activities of a group knowing that the participation will help the group to achieve its criminal objectives. This does not preclude a member state applying both options, which is what we have done in the 2006 Act, section 71 of which gives effect to the conspiracy element. To meet our international obligations, the offence of conspiracy has been created, encompassing a conspiracy to commit a serious offence, that is, an offence attracting a penalty of four years' imprisonment or more, whether the conspiracy is committed in the State. Section 72 of the Act provided for a new offence of knowingly contributing to or participating in any activity of a criminal organisation for the purpose of enhancing the ability of that organisation to commit or facilitate a serious offence. We are aware, however, that the prosecution of an offence of this nature will be challenging and that proving the offence will be difficult.

I will now outline the main provisions of the framework decision. Article 1.1 defines "criminal organisation" as a structured association established over a period of time and comprising more than two persons acting in concert with a view to committing offences punishable by deprivation of liberty, a detention order of a maximum of at least four years or a more serious penalty in order to obtain, directly or indirectly, a financial or other material benefit. Article 1.2 defines "structured association" as an association which is not randomly formed for the immediate commission of an offence and does not need to have formally defined roles for its members, continuity of membership or a developed structure.

Article 2 provides for the conduct to be criminalised. Member states are required to create an offence on the basis of either a participation-type approach, that is, participation in the activities of the group knowing that the participation will help the group to achieve its criminal objectives, or the common law conspiracy approach, that is, an agreement between parties to commit an offence.

Article 3 provides for penalties. Article 3.1 provides that the maximum penalty for offences under Article 2(a), participation, will be at least two to five years' imprisonment and that the penalty for an offence under Article 2(b), conspiracy, will be either the same maximum term of imprisonment as the offence at which the agreement is aimed or a maximum term of imprisonment of at least two to five years. Article 3.2 provides that where an offence is committed within the framework of a criminal organisation, it may be regarded as an aggravating circumstance.

Article 4 provides that a member state may provide that the appropriate penalties be reduced or the offender exempted from penalties in the circumstances set out in the article. These include renunciation of criminal activity and providing helpful information for the relevant authorities. Articles 5 and 6 provide for liability of legal persons and the sanctions to be imposed.

Article 7 deals with jurisdiction and co-ordination of prosecutions. Article 7.1 includes a requirement that each member state should ensure that it can prosecute an offence which takes place on its territory, even if that is not where the criminal organisation is based, or pursues its criminal activities. Article 7.2 deals with co-operation in centralising a prosecution in one state where more than one member state has jurisdiction to prosecute. Article 7.3 requires member states to establish jurisdiction over offences committed by its nationals outside their territories and prosecute them where they do not extradite or surrender their own nationals.

Article 8 provides that an investigation or prosecution is not dependent on a report or accusation by a victim. Article 9 provides for the repeal of the existing Joint Action 98/733/JHA. Articles 10 and 11 are standard provisions dealing with implementation, reports and entry into force.

Members of the joint committee will be aware that the Government is strongly focused on tackling domestic and international organised crime. The Criminal Justice Act 2006 has already made legislative provision for matters which form part of the provisions of the framework decision under consideration. Members will recall that an extensive and unprecedented package of measures was announced by the Tánaiste across a range of areas pertaining to crime prevention and detection on 19 December 2006. They may also have heard that the Government has agreed to further proposed legislative changes. The Government recognises that firearms and drug trafficking are invariably interlinked with gangland activity. The proposals announced by the Tánaiste yesterday, therefore, focus on a number of particular areas targeting this activity. Specifically, sentences for drug trafficking and firearms offences will be stiffer and access to bail will be less readily available for those engaged in gangland activities. People who support and facilitate organised crime will face new penalties for the possession of articles, equipment and cash which they cannot account for, and those who reoffend can expect enhanced sentences. The right to silence will remain a core feature of our system of due process, although it will be reformed in order that the instances where inferences will be drawn will be clearer to all, including the accused. That does not come before time.

The Government has decided to provide vastly increased resources for the Garda Síochána to ensure the effective continued operation of targeted initiatives such as Operation Anvil. This initiative which targets organised crime has been particularly successful in recent months and is central to the strategy of the Garda in combating serious crime, particularly gun crime. For example, crime figures for the last quarter of 2006 showed an increase of 34% in the number of detections of possession of firearms. In addition, work is well advanced on plans to establish a DNA database. When available, the database, together with the information held on fingerprints, will ensure that the Garda will have access to a significant new source of intelligence which will assist in combating organised crime and crime of all forms in this jurisdiction.

Is this contained in the proposal before us?

I am outlining the proposals being introduced.

Do the creation of the DNA database and the continuation of the right to silence form part of the European proposal?

They are part and parcel of the improved situation in this country which will impact on the directive.

Is it just a statement on behalf of the Minister?

The Deputy will have time to respond.

By the time I respond it will be too late.

It is the usual public relations effort by the Government to pretend it is tackling crime.

I am sure both Deputies will want to respond and be enthusiastically supportive.

The joint committee may clearly see that the Government recognises the complexity of the issues presented by organised criminal activity. The requirements of the framework decision we are discussing have, to a large extent, already been taken on board in our own legislation, particularly the Criminal Justice Act 2006. The Government is continuing to take the most effective steps possible to tackle organised crime both in terms of new legislation and, equally importantly, the additional resources needed to carry out this task.

The framework decision will, subject to the approval of the Houses of the Oireachtas to participate, probably be adopted by the Justice and Home Affairs Council of Ministers sometime this year. There will then be a period during which further legislative change which may be required on foot of it can be enacted. I recommend the instrument to the joint committee and will be happy to answer any questions it may have in respect of it.

I am very happy to endorse the work of the European Union in the fight against organised crime. I would very much like to be in a situation where I could endorse the work of the Government in the same field but, unfortunately, as I have consistently pointed out in the past four years, its lack of action has left the country helpless in the fight against organised crime.

We can look at the historical background, as painted by the Minister of State. I operate on the basis of "by your fruit you shall know them". Even by the Minister of State's own statements, the Government is condemned, as the original EU joint action which made it a criminal offence to participate in a criminal organisation in any member state was introduced in 1998. When was it transposed into national law? When did the Government ultimately agree to provide in domestic legislation for the offence of being a member of a criminal organisation? The European Union action had no impact here until it was provided for on the Statute Book. It was eight long years before the Government stirred itself to take action, based on a very good joint programme agreed with the European Union in 1998. On the basis of that record, it must stand utterly condemned. I do not say that because this is an election year. It is not good enough that we are so slow to take measures to incorporate good European proposals for joint action to fight terrorism and illicit trafficking in drugs, arms and people into domestic law.

That brings me to the point aptly raised by my Labour Party and future Government colleague, Deputy Lynch. Yesterday's public relations effort by the Minister was a further effort to have him shown talking tough on crime but, as usual, this is not translated into action. Yesterday we heard him talking the talk but he did not walk the walk. He has not introduced legislation. He told us about the legislation which might be introduced and the heads of a Bill. He skipped the next step and gaily talked about having such legislation enacted before the Easter recess. Where is the Bill? Where is the beef? There is no legislation and there will not be because all we saw yesterday was a detailed list of the heads of a Bill. This is typical of the way the Government has dealt with the country's dreadful crime problems and the way it has talked the talk but has not walked the walk. There have been huge delays in introducing very necessary legislation and that record continues.

Four and a half years ago we heard talk of 2,000 extra gardaí. On 31 December 2006 the number of gardaí was 12,986, not even half way towards the extra 2,000 gardaí promised to bring the number to 14,000. In case the Minister of State has any doubt about the veracity of that figure, I am quoting from a response by the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform to a parliamentary question. Since the Minister of State, prompted by Deputy Lynch, has referred to the Government's record, he is being given a response. It is that the Government's record in dealing with crime is appalling. The consequence of that record is a 40% increase in headline crime since 2000 and a huge increase in the rate of violent crime. Last year saw the highest number of homicides in the history of the State. The number of firearms offences has increased by almost 40% and rape offences by 25% . The Minister of State introduced the issue of the Government's record. By their fruits shall they be known and their fruits are pretty rotten.

I approve the proposal for a European Council framework decision on the fight against organised crime. I am happy to endorse it. I want to see those aspects not already included in domestic law introduced as quickly as possible. I would have preferred that the offence of directing a criminal organisation had also been included in the instrument. However, that might be to take a belt and braces approach, as the offences of conspiracy and participation are both included. I endorse the effort being made at European Union level, while at the same time totally condemning the Government's efforts at domestic level in tackling organised crime.

It is generally recognised that crime is international in nature. For this reason, directives such as this are essential. While it may feed into the paranoia of the super state and international policing, it is, nevertheless, essential in this day and age. No country can operate on its own in respect of the organised crime about which we are speaking. Issues such as drug importation and the trafficking of people for the purposes of domestic slavery arise. While the directive is welcome, it is a little late.

I have one or two questions for the Minister of State. If not on the basis of a victim's report or by way of complaint, how will a person be convicted of membership of an organisation benefiting from the proceeds of crime? Will he or she be convicted on the word of a superintendent, as applies in respect of the legislation dealing with paramilitaries? It is unclear from the directive what will happen in that regard.

Will the directive result in the setting up of a unit to deal with trafficking, the most hidden of crimes which, unless one knows what one is looking for, is difficult to detect. It is a subtle crime. Will the directive result in the putting in place of a mechanism through which this crime can be detected?

When will the legislation announced by the Minister yesterday be introduced? Will this mother-of-all packages to deal with organised crime be introduced prior to the general election or will it be on the agenda during the election campaign? This is too serious an issue for that to happen. While it is to be expected that it will always be part and parcel of an election campaign, to allow such all-encompassing legislation to become part of the general election campaign would be wrong.

I welcome the Minister of State to the committee to deal with this serious matter. Recent events have highlighted the major problem with which we are faced. A Minister, Department or Government which does not accept the enormity of the crisis in respect of organised crime in the State is sleepwalking.

We all support sensible strategies and objectives to deal with organised crime. It is important to note when using the words "organised crime" that what we are, in fact, speaking about is racketeering, drugs and murder, including that of Donna Cleary, a constituent of mine shot dead at a party in Coolock, and the young plumber shot dead because he had witnessed "a hit". This is the reality of organised crime. It is important, therefore, when debating the issue, that we consider the innocent people affected by it. I would like the Minister to be aware of that.

On page 2 of his script, the Minister stated that the Government's objective will be achieved by preventing and combatting crime. While I accept that the objective is a sensible way forward, I wonder if we have explored enough creative policies to prevent crime. Much of our current emphasis is on what happens after a murder or significant drugs haul. Have we thought of sensible Government strategies to prevent crime by tackling social exclusion and major economic disadvantage and removing the demand for drugs? We must face the reality that tens of thousands of young people will go out on Friday and Saturday night and take drugs. What strategies are in place to address the demand they create?

Talk is all very well, but there must also be an effective Garda management plan to deal with organised crime. Currently, the impression is that the approach is to respond to crises like a tiger kidnapping or the horrific murder of an innocent young plumber doing a day's work. What is senior Garda management doing to formulate an effective strategy to prevent crime in the first instance?

In the context of legislative developments over the past 12 hours, I urge the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform to calm down. There is a great deal of legislation already in place and I would not like to see an overreaction. It does not mean one is soft on crime if one expresses concern for civil liberties and human rights. It means one wants to see sensible policies put in place. One does not necessarily agree with the Pinochet-type policies of the Minister who rants and raves and creates a great deal of hot air. I ask the Minister of State to ask the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform what can be done to prevent crime rather than to create more and more legislation. That crime will not be beaten by legislation can be seen from experiences in the EU, Latin America and elsewhere. Crime is often prevented by quality policing, effective preventive strategies and the simple operations of good police officers carrying out their work effectively and strategically.

Section 2 of the Criminal Justice Act 2006 provided for a new offence of knowingly contributing to or participating in any activity or criminal organisation for the purpose of enhancing its ability to commit or facilitate a serious offence. What does one do about young people who are sucked into organised criminal gangs but want a way out? They are often caught between the guy at the top with the gun and gardaí who might want to leave them in place where they can keep an eye on things. I have encountered circumstances recently in which people who want to leave gangs were subjected to a great deal of intimidation of them, their families and extended families, including threats of assassination and being burned out. As part of the debate on preventive crime measures, has the Minister formulated sensible strategies to deal with this issue?

I thank Deputy Finian McGrath for his wide-ranging contribution.

I will be brief. I thank the Chairman for his kind words earlier. I welcome the European directive in the context of the increase in organised crime which is an inevitable consequence of our new affluence as one of the richest countries in the world. We must face the fact and tackle the problem collectively. I commend the Minister for the efforts he has made in the circumstances. It will never be easy in a country so wealthy. We must face the reality that so long as the country does well, crime will be a major problem to tackle. I commend the recent moves by the Minister, particularly on the increase in the retrieval rate of firearms. I support the motion.

As a great deal was stated, I ask the Minister of State to stick to the relevant items and let the House deal with the social economy.

I thank committee members for their contributions. In response to Deputy O'Keeffe, the legislation announced yesterday leads the way on the framework directive and goes beyond what is required. I attended the most recent Justice and Home Affairs Council meeting on behalf of the Minister and saw that other European states were moving in the same direction.

It is correct to state there were 12,986 gardaí on 31 December 2006. However, 1,000 more were in training at that point and they will pass out in tranches every three months to bring the total figure to 14,000. The Minister announced a further increase before Christmas.

Regarding the points made by Deputy Lynch, the provisions of the Criminal Justice Act 2006 will apply to the detection by the Garda Síochána of organised crime when no victims are involved. Trafficking is not covered by the framework directive but is covered in other legislation.

Both Deputies raised the timing of the legislation which will be published in two weeks' time. The Government is committed to completing its passage through both Houses of the Oireachtas during the current session.

When is it scheduled to be published?

In two weeks.

Is there an obligation to consult the Human Rights Commission before drafting such legislation?

I am sure any issues of concern to the Human Rights Commission will be adequately dealt with, as will any issues with regard to civil liberties raised by Deputy Finian McGrath. We are all extremely careful when it comes to civil liberties. As the Minister stated, this is severe legislation but proportionate.

I state as a Fianna Fáil Minister of State that we enthusiastically support the Tánaiste on this legislation and the draconian approach being taken to organised crime and crime gangs. It is past time for the introduction of the provisions of the legislation, particularly those dealing with the right to silence and extended sentences and aimed at considerably reducing the possibility of criminals being granted bail. It is past time that we took a more right-wing approach towards organised crime and crime gangs. We now have young crime gangs running riot in cities throughout the country, not only in Dublin. In Galway a leading criminal obtained a videotape of a younger member of his gang and showed it to the rest of the gang to intimidate him. As committee members correctly pointed out, he wants to get out. I am glad the issue was addressed by the criminal law review group. It has become apparent in the past year that the time has come to fight such criminal gangs with legislation such as this. This is why the legislation is being put through the Houses of the Oireachtas quickly, following the recent introduction of the 2006 Act. Deputy O'Keeffe has called for such an approach on a number of occasions. An all-party approach should be taken to get the legislation through the Houses this session. Members should together take on the people who believe they are outside the law.

This is happening after five years have elapsed. Criminal gangs did not spring up overnight. The Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform has brought it forward two months before the general election.

I will concur fully with the Opposition after the next general election.

As this is an election year, I appreciate Deputy O'Keeffe's reticence in fully endorsing the measure.

As members must attend the Order of Business, that concludes our discussion. Is it agreed there will be no further debate on the matter in Dáil Éireann and Seanad Éireann? Agreed. Is the draft report agreed, subject to inserting details regarding attendance and contributions to the debate? Agreed.

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