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Seanad Éireann debate -
Thursday, 12 Jul 1928

Vol. 10 No. 25

PUBLIC BUSINESS. - COURTS OF JUSTICE BILL, 1928—REPORT.

I move amendment 1:—Section 5, to delete the section.

This section deals with and restricts the liberty given to a person accused of a criminal charge to appeal, and it restricts the liberty of the judges in dealing with that appeal. The Minister, speaking on the Second Reading of the Bill, stressed that it was a novel thing in our administration of justice to have an appeal in a criminal case except in cases referred to as Crown cases reserved. When it is remembered that on the merest grounds, in the case of civil action of one sort or another, it is open to a litigant to appeal, I think it peculiar that the Minister for Justice should stress the point that a person convicted of a criminal charge should be denied the liberty of having his case partly reheard or reviewed by another tribunal. I think that, when this measure was going through the Dáil, the Minister left a portion of this question to the free vote of the House. The two operative sections are subsections (a) and (b). Sub-section (a) puts on judges, who have to decide that some part of the trial was informal, the onus of convicting that person, though in their view the informality was not material, in other words, the admission of some evidence which they thought should not have been admitted. The judges are in the position of having to attach a certain amount of materiality to a piece of evidence without having seen the witnesses or without knowing the circumstances that prevailed when that piece of evidence was submitted, and vice versa. They have to take on themselves to judge what effect that evidence would have on the minds of a jury. I submit that is not the function of a judge. If there is an informality I think the safer and the better course to pursue is that the conviction be quashed. Under the section, where an informality of such a kind has occurred in the view of the court of appeal it vitiates the whole proceedings, and the judges have the power to order a re-trial. As I said on Second Reading, in my view when a man goes into the dock for a second time and it is known that he has already been convicted by a jury, he cannot possibly get an absolutely fair trial. It must of necessity weigh with the second jury that this man has already been convicted.

Lawyers are very conservative in those matters. It is well within the recollection of most of us that the establishment of the Court of Criminal Appeal in England was very much opposed by prominent judges and barristers at the time. It enabled an accused person to give evidence on his own behalf. I remember reading in the memoirs of Sir Henry Hawkins the admission that he himself was very much opposed to permission being given to an accused person to give evidence on his own behalf, but after the Act had been passed, and the first time it arose in his own court that an accused person took advantage of the permission, he admitted that up to that point he had been very much prejudiced against the accused whereas upon hearing his evidence he readily admitted that the man completely changed his outlook on the case.

Without stressing the matter unduly a number of prominent cases have occurred in our own time. It was the Beck case that really caused the House of Commons to establish the Court of Criminal Appeal at all, because it was conclusively proved that the man had been wrongly convicted and wrongly imprisoned. In the Maybrick case, the late Lord Russell of Killowen who defended the accused, always seemed to have some doubt as to the validity of the evidence and as to its justifying a conviction. Then there is the case at present under consideration, the Slater case. All this goes to show that in all good faith serious cases have occurred where accused persons have been convicted by juries, and those who are well competent to judge have really serious doubts about the validity of the convictions. I submit that a person accused of a criminal charge, whose liberty is imperilled, should not be in any worse position than a person seeking damages in the civil courts.

CATHAOIRLEACH

The Senator may not be aware that the provision in sub-section (a) is precisely the same as that in the civil courts.

I appreciate that, but to my mind where a man's liberty is imperilled that is a far graver and more serious thing than any civil matter. The power given under sub-section (b) of this section where the courts can order a new trial by reason of some serious informality in the first trial runs counter to the principle of autrefois acquit which really is a great safeguard to an accused person that he should not be imperilled on the same charge a second time. For the reasons that I have given, and having regard to the fact that in the other House a portion of this question was left to the free vote of the House and passed by a big majority I ask Senators to support me in moving the deletion of this section.

I am very strongly opposed to this amendment and to all the amendments down in the name of my friend, Senator Dowdall. The effect of all of them is really the same. What the Senator wants to do is to give an absolute right to everybody who is convicted by a jury of his fellow-citizens of a crime, either to get off altogether or to get a new trial for any technical error, whether that technical error in the opinion of the court could possibly have effected the result of the trial or not. That, in my opinion, does not accord either with common sense or with common justice. It is the desire of everyone, of every good citizen and, I am sure, of every member of this House, that every person who is accused of a crime in this country should have a perfectly fair trial in accordance with the law. That is why, very late in the history of our Judicature and of the English and Scotch systems, this court of criminal appeal was established. It was to ensure that if a person who was found guilty of a crime had not had a fair trial in accordance with the law, he should either have the right to be acquitted or the right of a new trial. This is quite a new court, which was established in the interests of persons who have been convicted of a crime, but it is most important that it should not be turned into an institution for the purpose of enabling persons who have been convicted of crime of getting a second chance of getting off.

What does this section do? Every human institution is liable to mistake in its operations and liable to error. There are two kinds of technical error which may occur in the course of a criminal trial. One of them is the class of technical error which is of such a slight nature that, in the opinion of the Court, it cannot possibly affect the result of the trial; that if it had not occurred the result must be the same. In a case of that kind, what this section does is: it gives the Court of Appeal the right to refuse it, that is, the right to refuse the appeal where they think that although there has been this technical admission of evidence which ought not to have been admitted—some technical error of that kind—that yet no miscarriage of justice has taken place. In that case it gives the court the right to refuse the appeal. In the other case, where the error is of such a nature that the court has the slightest doubt as to whether it could have affected the issue or not, in that case they have to order a new trial—with power as regards the costs. Nothing, I think, could be fairer than that, and am I not right in saying that that is consistent common sense and common justice?

Sub-section (a) of this section, to an ordinary layman at least, is not only unique but in some respects amazing. The paragraph reads:—"The court may, notwithstanding that they are of opinion that a point raised in an appeal might be decided in favour of the appellant, dismiss the appeal if they consider that no substantial miscarriage of justice"——

The word "substantial" is not in the paragraph.

I am glad to know that it has been knocked out, but it was in the Bill as originally introduced, from which I have been reading. The deletion of the word certainly makes this part of the section less objectionable. One finds it difficult to see what are the real functions of the Court of Appeal. Being convinced that the appeal should be dismissed according to the ordinary law, they still think that the appeal should be upheld. Sub-section (b) enables a man who is actually acquitted by the Court of Appeal, where they reverse the conviction as a whole, to be re-tried on the same charge by a jury again. The paragraph says:—"Where the court reverses a conviction in whole, the court shall have jurisdiction to make an order (in this section referred to as an order for a re-trial)." So that the person is re-tried on a charge in connection with which the Court of Appeal has quashed the conviction. There is a good deal of point in what Senator Dowdall has said, that a jury will find it very difficult to discharge from its mind the fact that the prisoner has already been tried and found guilty. It will be exceedingly difficult for the jury to get away from that fact, and I think it would be useless to suggest that it is not going to have some influence on the jury—an ordinary jury composed of citizens who are called in in the manner in which juries are summoned.

I would like to know from the Minister if this section has been introduced as a result of abuses of the law or owing to the fact that people have escaped punishment because of crimes known to be attributable to them. Unless there is some good ground for it, it seems strange that it should be introduced just now. The fact that a similar section operates in regard to civil cases is not, I think, a sufficient argument for introducing the section in a Bill of this kind, because the life and liberty of a human being are infinitely more important than some question or other relating to property or to some other civil matter.

CATHAOIRLEACH

I was not putting forward that at all as an argument against Senator Dowdall's amendment. I only mentioned it because the Senator said that accused persons ought to have the same advantages as people have in regard to a civil trial. I only pointed out that in the case of a civil appeal the court has the power, if it thinks a miscarriage of justice does not really affect the result, to disregard it.

At all events, this is a matter which I think should receive the very careful consideration of the House. It is not a Party matter and does not affect one section any more than another. But when it is a new feature that is being introduced in our law, one would expect that good reasons would be stated for the necessity for it.

Senator O'Farrell stated that sub-section (a) was unique. I do not know exactly what he means by unique in this context. If unique means that it does not exist in any other place, and that it is a new principle that is being brought into Ireland, he is entirely wrong, because that sub-section, word for word, is in the English and Scotch Acts, and this is only bringing us into line with England and Scotland, which have courts operating just as our courts do. There is this one difference between the wording of the Scottish section and the wording of this section now. The word "substantial" is in the Scottish Act, and was in the original draft of this Bill, but that word has now been left out of this section. My own opinion is that whether the word "substantial" is there or not there, it makes no difference. Senator Dowdall, I think, in all the points which he put forward, has been completely answered by Senator Brown. I am not going to waste the time of the Seanad by repeating the arguments which Senator Brown put forward. There is just one thing, however, that I would like to refer to, and that was the point put forward by Senator Dowdall and Senator O'Farrell, that a person should never be tried twice for the same offence. I am in complete accord with that. That is a very sound principle, and no part of this section infringes upon that principle.

Once a man has been finally tried, once the proceedings against him have terminated in favour of or against him, and he is in the one case acquitted or in the other case serving whatever sentence has been passed upon him, that is distinctly the end of it. That does not mean, and cannot be taken as meaning, and never has meant, that a man never should be tried twice. Men are repeatedly tried twice and tried three times. If a jury disagree, a man is put on trial again, and always has been. This is no more an infringement of the doctrine of autrefois acquit or autrefois convict than putting a man on trial for the second time when a jury has disagreed, because there has been no final determination of his case. The Court of Appeal has come to the conclusion, whether it was because of the fault of the Crown Prosecutor or the judge, or the fault of the counsel for the defence, that the case was not properly presented to the jury, and that the jury were not in a position fairly to say “guilty” or “not guilty,” and they say that, in the interests of the prisoner and of the community, the man should be tried again and that justice as between the State and the accused person should be done.

I am afraid that there is a certain amount of sentimentality with regard to accused persons in this country. We know that very often the people of this country do not come to the assistance of the Guards and do not give information in the way they should. I am glad, however, to say that the position in that respect is not as bad as it was. We know that at one time jurymen refused to convict, even upon clear evidence, and in the most ordinary cases. I know one county in which I used to practise myself—I think, sir, you will have knowledge of it—in which I do not think there had been a conviction for years. That is the sort of sentimentality that the guilty person should be let off in all circumstances——

CATHAOIRLEACH

Perhaps you had better not mention that particular county, because there might be a great migration.

I am glad to say that in that county they have improved, and have been convicting for some time, but that is the sort of spirit that I am afraid is behind Senator Dowdall's amendment.

It is nothing of the kind.

I would ask the Seanad to reject the amendment.

Amendment put and declared lost.

I am not moving amendment 2, but I am moving amendment 3, which reads:—

Section 5, sub-section (1). To delete in lines 16-17 the words "may by such order give such directions as to costs as they may consider proper" and to substitute therefor the words "shall order that the costs of the appeal and of the new trial of the accused person shall be paid by the State."

CATHAOIRLEACH

I take it that what you are seeking to do under this amendment is to give the accused man, as of right, the costs of his first trial. As the section stands at present, that is in the discretion of the Court to do.

Yes. Where the Court of Appeal decides that the informality that has taken place is of such a magnitude as to quash the conviction and to order a new trial, my amendment seeks to secure that the defendant is not mulcted twice in costs: that he should be allowed the costs of the appeal, even though he has to stand his trial again on the original charge. The Minister for Justice has stated that this may have been due to misdirection on the part of the judge, or to the State Prosecutor or to the counsel for the defence. I think it is very rarely that counsel for the defence convicts his own client.

CATHAOIRLEACH

I would not go that far.

Well, at all events, it is not usually considered his function. I will not put it higher than that. I have served on juries from time to time and I have not seen it occur very often. It might happen, of course, that an indiscreet question might give rise to a particular line of cross-examination with results not anticipated when the question was put, but that does not happen very often. At least it does not happen very often in Cork. I submit that where a trial is vitiated by such an informality that, in the view of the Court of Appeal, a new trial should be ordered, that then the accused person is in all fairness entitled to his costs of the appeal, the costs either of his first trial or the second trial rendered necessary by such an informality being allowed to creep in. I think that is only fair and reasonable. After all, in civil actions the costs follow the decision and I think that is only fair.

If I might advert for a moment to the charge of sentimentality it should not be attributed to me by the learned Minister for Justice. If he comes to deal with me he will not find a great deal of sentiment. I have no sympathy, good, bad or indifferent with the commission of crime in this country, either for ordinary criminal motives or for political motives. None whatever. Let me disabuse the mind of the Minister on that. My mind is perfectly clear on that. But, in such cases as I am putting before the Seanad where the fault is not to be attributed to any action of the prisoner and where he is simply taking advantage of the legal avenues open to him, I think that in cases where a mistake is made against him that he should not be made pay for them.

I have a good deal more sympathy with Senator Dowdall's amendment on the question of costs than I have with his other amendments. I think the way the matter stands is this: if a technical point was raised in the court below and decided against the prisoner or his counsel and that it had to go to the Court of Appeal he ought to get his costs. I think that any judge or any court of appeal exercising the discretion which is given the Court under this section would give him his costs. But, there are cases where the point is not raised in the court below. It may have been that the prisoner had not counsel or that if he had counsel that his counsel did not see the point when it was raised and when the case was going on, and only raised it afterwards in the court of appeal. In that case he ought not to get his costs. I think it would be better and safer to leave it in the discretion of the court which, I think, will always be exercised in the way of justice.

I desire to support the amendment. It may be that I am a sentimentalist, but in this case at all events it is obvious that the appeal was justified. In other words, the appellant has won, and though he is a criminal I think he should not be deprived of the victory which he has won in the court of appeal. So far as the costs that he has incurred in bringing his appeal are concerned, it is optional with the court to decide whether he is to get his costs or not, but I think it ought not to be optional. I think that a man once he has won an appeal ought to get his costs of the appeal. He has already had the costs of the original trial, and then these are the costs of the appeal. I think it is only equitable and right that he should get the costs of the new trial. I support the amendment.

CATHAOIRLEACH

I wonder would Senator Dowdall object to the addition to his amendment, at the end of it, of the following words: "Unless the court shall be of opinion that the necessity for an appeal and a new trial has been caused or contributed to by the defence."

Certainly. If the Minister for Justice is prepared to accept that addition I am prepared to accept it.

I accept the addition of these words. That is the only way, I am certain, in which a sensible judge could administer the Act.

Amendment, as amended, put and agreed to.

I move amendment 4:—

Section 11. To delete the section. I do not intend to press this amendment. I wish, however, to remind the House that in all cases of appeal the appeal is mainly on the report of the official stenographer to the court. As we know, and as I think the Minister rather led us to believe, it has been found that these reports are faulty, and I think he said the whole question was under consideration. The reporting of the proceedings here and in the Dáil is as nearly humanly perfect as it is possible to have it, but speaking on the Dentists Bill I used the word "pathology" and I was reported as using the word "mythology." Of course, I admit, that the acoustic properties of this building are faulty. The same thing applies to a great many of the courts. This system of appeal, based on the reports of the official stenographers, is, and necessarily must be, faulty, no matter how expert the stenographer is, by reason of the fact that a man physically cannot report hour after hour all that goes on in Court and write it out probably at night. Secondly, I submit that the reports do not give the Court of Appeal adequate grounds upon which to frame a judgment.

I would not like to see this section knocked out. In my opinion, it is one of the most useful sections in the Act. I agree with Senator Dowdall that the present system of appeal from the Circuit Courts is highly unsatisfactory. But this is a most useful section as long as we have this highly unsatisfactory system of appeal. It gives the Court of Appeal in every case, whether the stenographer's report is forthcoming or not, the power of summoning evidence of their own before the court either by affidavit or the production of witnesses. But it does more than that, because where the stenographer's report is not forthcoming it gives this court the right of trying the whole case over again, by hearing witnesses or by affidavits or whatever way it likes. In fact, it sets up a court of appeal, of which one of the best features is a re-hearing. It is a most useful section, and I would be very sorry indeed to see it deleted.

I really put it down mainly to deal with the question of stenographers' reports.

Senator Dowdall has put forward a proposition that, where appeals are brought on the stenographer's notes, that his notes must be wrong and perfectly unreliable. If Senator Dowdall's point is correct, then the Senator should immediately move that the Court of Criminal Appeal should be abolished, because the Court of Criminal Appeal hears appeals on, and can only act on, the stenographer's notes.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
Report Stage concluded.
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