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Seanad Éireann debate -
Thursday, 15 Jul 1971

Vol. 70 No. 15

Electricity (Supply) (Amendment) Bill, 1971: Second and Subsequent Stages.

Question proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time".

The purposes of this Bill are to provide statutory authority for the payment of £10 million Government subsidy to the Electricity Supply Board in respect of a programme of expenditure of £18 million on rural electrification during the four years ending 31st March, 1975, and to increase the limit of authorised capital expenditure by the board for all purposes, including rural electrification, from the existing combined limit of £340 million to a new figure of £450 million.

As Senators are aware rural electrification has been in progress now since 1946, a period of 25 years, and the time has come for an all out effort to complete the programme. A brief review of the situation is, therefore, not out of place.

The original programme for rural electrification was on the assumption that, given a subsidy of 50 per cent of the capital cost, supply could be offered at standard rates to about 86 per cent of rural homes and that about 70 per cent of the total rural households would accept supply on these terms. Among the 14 per cent to whom standard rates could not be quoted, because of the high cost of connection, there were many who wished to have supply and the ESB programme provided for connections to them if the persons concerned were prepared to pay an extra charge, over and above the standard charge, sufficient to bring the return up to the minimum acceptable as sufficient at the time after taking account of subsidy. This was, in fact, the origin of the special service charges. The distribution networks for the scheme were designed with a view to connecting the maximum possible number of consumers with the money available and expenditure on distribution capacity unlikely to be used for many years ahead was avoided.

By the time the original rural electrification scheme was nearing completion in 1962 about 75 per cent of total rural households had already been connected compared with the original target of about 70 per cent. The Government at that time decided that a second comprehensive scheme, known as the post-development programme, should be carried out to give a further opportunity to obtain supply to all those houses which, for one reason or another, were still without electricity. Since most of the households qualifying for standard charges had by then been connected, the post-development programme required relatively greater capital expenditure to connect houses to the system. Consequently, under the Electricity Supply Amendment Act, 1962, the rate of subsidy was increased from 50 per cent to 75 per cent with a limit of £75 per house for domestic connections. This financial limitation had the effect of increasing substantially the level of special service charges for the very high cost connections while qualifying a greater number for standard charges. To cater for such households, a scheme for the payment of grants of up to £10 for the installation of bottled gas as a more economical alternative source of power for lighting, cooking and heating was introduced.

The rural electrification programme was reviewed prior to the introduction of the Electricity Supply Amendment Act, 1968. This Act extended the limit of capital expenditure on rural electrification to £50 million which then was considered sufficient to complete the post-development scheme by 31st March, 1973. At the same time as the Act was enacted, arrangements were made to effect substantial reductions in the higher special service charges to be effective from 1st June, 1968, the cost being borne by the ESB. In addition, the maximum grant for bottle gas installations was increased from £10 to £35.

At the time of the commencement of the original rural electrification scheme in 1946, only about 14,000 rural households had electricity installed. At the 31st March, 1962, when the original rural electrification scheme was virtually completed, a total of almost 280,000 rural houses were connected to the supply. At the end of March, 1967, 325,000 houses had been connected and the estimate then made was that a further 26,000 connections only would be required to complete the scheme, bringing the total estimated number of rural connections to just over 350,000 houses. It was planned to achieve this total by March, 1973.

The 1967 forecast of 350,000 rural connections proved in practice to be an underestimate. The substantial reduction in special service charges in 1968 made electricity supply a much more attractive proposition for many households and this added up to a considerable increase in demand for connections. Increasing prosperity and a growing demand for television reception increased the numbers seeking supply. As a consequence, progress on the completion of the programme in the different areas fell well behind schedule and the backlog was increased by new houses constructed in the meantime and seeking connection. The position was aggravated by the need to allocate an ever-growing proportion of the capital provided for rural electrification to system improvement, that is to strengthening the distribution network in order to improve the standard of supply sufficiently to keep up with increased demand.

The rate of growth in consumption of electricity in rural areas is now about 13 per cent as compared with an increase rate of about 9 per cent in urban areas. This growth in demand which is continuing at a high rate has necessitated considerable investment in strengthening the distribution system to maintain adequate supply. The development of rural industries and the growth in rural areas of new hotels, registered guesthouses and new homes built by existing consumers as well as new installations for the mechanisation of farms have all added to the problem of completing the scheme of rural electrification within the programme planned from 1968.

The 1967 estimate of the number of further rural connections required to complete the scheme was 26,000. In fact, in the period from April, 1967 to March, 1971, about 34,000 connections had been made under the scheme and, as Senators are very well aware, the rural electrification programme is still far from complete in many areas.

I, therefore, requested the ESB to carry out a further detailed study of the position, district by district, throughout the country so as to be able to forecast as accurately as possible not alone existing requirements for electricity connections, but to take into account also new house building programmes and developments likely to require priority connections for new rural industries, guesthouses, etc., as well as farming developments. The ESB have recently completed this review and they have proposed a four-year programme designed to achieve by 31st March, 1975, connection of all outstanding connections at the present time, estimated at 14,000 together with other demands for new connections, estimated to amount to a further 14,000, likely to arise in the four-year period. The cost of these 28,000 new connections is estimated at £7 million. At the same time, the ESB realise the necessity to improve substantially the whole rural electrification network and they will need to spend £11 million on system improvements in this four-year period. The total cost of this programme is, therefore, £18 million from 1st April, 1971, which will bring total expenditure by the board on rural electrification to £67 million.

The Government have accepted this programme and the provisions in the Bill are designed as, what I might term, a crash programme to enable rural electrification to be completed within the next four years. The capital provisions for expenditure by the ESB on rural electrification in each of these four years have already been determined and notified to the board so that there should be no obstacle to the ESB achieving success in completing this scheme as planned. The board are already planning on this basis and I earnestly hope that all parts of the plan can be achieved according to schedule. This should eliminate entirely the unfortunate situation we have had for some years past where the commencement of work in particular areas has had to be deferred time and again because of the heavy work programmes developing in areas getting prior attention.

For comparison purposes I might mention that the total expenditure on rural electrification in the 25 years of its operation up to 31st March last was about £49 million, including Government subsidy of £17 million. We are now proposing expenditure in the next four years totalling £18 million, including subsidy of £10 million. In the past four years' annual capital expenditure on rural electrification has ranged from about £2 million in 1968 to £3.1 million in 1970-71. The new programme envisages expenditure of £3.7 million this year, £4.1 million next year, £4.7 million in 1973-74 and no less than £5.5 million in the fourth and final year of the programme.

Our existing level of rural connections to the electricity supply system is very high by international standards, more particularly when account is taken of the very many scattered households in rural Ireland—a position that does not obtain in most other countries where rural households are concentrated in small villages or townships. By the time the new programme is completed, we expect to have total rural connections of about 386,000 houses or something approaching 98 per cent of total rural households. Such an achievement is something that I think we can be proud of.

In the new programme of bringing supply to those households not yet connected it is not intended to make any change in the existing reduced rates of special service charges which will continue to be calculated on the same basis as has obtained since the Government arranged for a reduction in these charges in mid-1968. This reduction was designed to reduce particularly the highest special service charges and electricity is now available to rural dwellers at very reasonable terms. While special service charges are necessary in some form or another in every electricity distribution tariff I can assure the House that those who are asked to pay these special charges are, in fact, paying very much less than the cost of the service they are getting. The availability of grants of up to £35 for the installation of bottle gas equipment for lighting, cooking and heating is an alternative available to those liable to very high special service charges. I might mention that in the past three years, that is, since the new rate of subsidy was introduced, over 1,600 bottled gas grants have been given, so far, at a total cost of about £46,000.

I should make it clear that the new programme of rural electrification which we are introducing is not a mere continuation of the scheme which has been proceeding on an area by area basis for some years past. This is a scheme to complete the original programme once and for all by provision of the increased finances which I have mentioned. Under the existing planned post-development scheme, something like 520 areas have been completed out of a total of 792 rural areas. It is planned not alone to re-canvass and re-develop the remaining 272 areas, but also to offer electricity again at subsidised rates to all un-supplied households in the 520 or so areas where the post-development scheme has been completed. There will not be an individual canvass in these 520 areas. Supply will be offered by way of local advertisement and it will be a matter for householders in the areas concerned to apply immediately for connection.

As I have said already, the four-year plan which this Bill is intended to finance is aimed at completing the massive task of rural electrification on which we embarked in 1946. It is aimed at bringing electricity to all rural homes which it is possible to connect at any kind of reasonable cost. To keep down costs the ESB propose, as I have explained, to tackle the job area by area. After each area is completed the connection of rural homes for electricity in such area will have to be made on an economic basis without the benefit of subsidy. Rural dwellers, concerned to ensure that they are connected for electricity, should apply immediately for connection whenever the ESB announce the provision of supply in each of the 520 areas in which the rural electrification planned post-development scheme has already been completed.

It is not possible to deal with non-domestic connections such as industrial consumers, registered hotels and guesthouses and farming activities requiring supply on commercial or industrial tariffs on the basis of completing the programme in each separate area. Subsidy will be available therefore in respect of such connections up to the end of the four-year programme. After the end of the programme we will have achieved one of the highest levels of rural electrification to be found anywhere, and it should then be possible to provide and extend the supply of electricity on the same self-supporting basis as in urban areas and, indeed, the growth of the economy throughout the country which has itself been fostered by the spread of electricity supply should help to put rural electricity supply on a sound financial basis.

Completion of the proposed programme will require an additional £18 million over and above the £49 million expended by 31st March, 1971. This means a total provision of £67 million as compared with the existing statutory limit on capital expenditure by the ESB on rural electrification of £50 million. It is necessary, therefore, to increase the limit of expenditure by £17 million to £67 million. Because of the acceleration of the programme and the very considerably increased expenditure on system improvements now being provided, a new approach is being made to the amount of subsidy to be made available. Instead of the old arrangement of 75 per cent with a maximum of £75 per house the Government have agreed to make a global £10 million available as subsidy in respect of this programme and the ESB will complete the programme with this amount of subsidy but will maintain the 1968 terms to householders for new connections. Total subsidy payments up to 31st March, 1971, amounted to £17 million so that the total Government provision by way of subsidy towards the cost of the £67 million programme will amount to £27 million in all.

I wish to make one more comment before I leave rural electrification. The ESB now have firm plans to offer electricity in all rural areas over the next four years. It is essential that they plan their programme on an orderly basis in order to keep costs at the lowest level possible as well as achieving the maximum progress on the scheme. Any departure from the planned scheme can only increase costs and delay progress. It is clearly impossible to connect at once all who are seeking supply. Some areas must be at the end of the board's plan. I would ask Senators, therefore, not to be impatient if areas in which they are interested are not high up in the board's timetable. The longest any householder should have to wait will be the 31st March, 1975, but the great majority of rural households will have connection long before that date.

I now turn to the provision of capital for general purposes for the ESB. Under existing legislation, the ESB are entitled to incur capital expenditure for all purposes other than the electrification of rural areas up to a limit of £290 million as fixed by the Electricity Supply Amendment Act, 1970. At present, the board have approved expenditure under this head amounting to £240 million and the balance remaining would be sufficient to cover general expenditure likely to arise for approval up to about March, 1973. In order to avoid coming back to the Oireachtas again within such a short time, it is now proposed to extend the statutory limit to cover expenditure likely to arise for approval in the period to 31st March, 1975, that is for the period covered by the programme for completion of rural electrification now proposed.

During the next four years, the ESB expect to approve of expenditure for purposes other than rural electrification amounting to about £140 million. Of this total about £85 million will be required for additional generating plant. The plant already programmed for commissioning in the next four years will comprise two 120 megawatt plants at Pigeon House B, another 120 megawatt plant at Great Island, the pumped storage plants totalling 280 megawatts at Turlough Hill and the 40 megawatt extension to Shannon-bridge milled peat plant. It will also be necessary to proceed with the erection of the first 250 megawatt units to be installed in our system. Two of these will be at Tarbert and the third at Pigeon House B. A small 25 megawatt extension to the Erne Station is also planned. This plant programme will be necessary to meet increased demand for electricity which has been growing for some years past at between 10 per cent and 11 per cent.

Senators will note that no provision is made in this programme for the construction of a nuclear generating station. As I have already stated elsewhere no final decision has yet been taken to build a nuclear station. The ESB have for some time past been training engineers in nuclear work and have got together a special project team to examine in detail all the technical, economic, social and financial problems connected with the installation and operation of a nuclear station. The board will need to consider all aspects of the project before coming to a decision to recommend such an installation to the Government. The advice of the new Nuclear Energy Board will be required by the Government before any decision is taken on this project. If a decision is taken to proceed with the commissioning of such a station which, as I have already indicated elsewhere, could cost up to £70 million at current cost levels then additional capital will need to be provided for the ESB but, of course, such expenditure would not arise for some years to come.

In addition to expenditure on generating plant, a sum of about £55 million is estimated to be required for other essential items, mainly transmission and distribution networks. The total required for approval by 31st March, 1975, will, therefore, amount to about £380 million.

Increasing the limit on ESB capital expenditure will not involve demands on the Central Fund. Since 1955, the board have raised their own capital without recourse to the Exchequer, except, of course, for the State contribution to the capital cost of rural electrification. The board's programme for capital expenditure within the statutory limit is required to be submitted in detail for my approval from time to time.

At present, the ESB maintain separate rural and non-rural accounts and separate provision has been made by statute from time to time for the capital necessary for rural electrification and for other purposes. Now that well over 90 per cent of potential rural customers have already connected to the electricity supply and that we are making provision for accelerated connection of the remaining rural households, I consider that the time has come to integrate the two separate accounts and to make one general provision for total capital expenditure. Integration of the accounts and of the statutory provisions will not affect rural subsidy arrangements, but it should help to simplify ESB account procedures and thus to some extent at least reduce costs. As I have already stated, expenditure on rural electrification by the ESB is expected to reach £67 million by 31st March, 1975, while expenditure required for general purposes by the same date is expected to be £380 million. The combined total of requirements is, therefore, £447 million and the Bill proposes to fix the limit of £450 million.

One of the main difficulties of any electricity supply authority is the variable rate of demand for current arising during any 24-hour period. In Ireland, so far, due to the absence of any substantial three-shift industrial base, the daily load curve has had a high peak and low valley. The erection of pumped storage plants of the type being commissioned at Turlough Hill will enable cheap electrical current from the valley period to be used to pump water to the upper reservoir which will then be available to generate current during the high cost peak demand periods. This operation is, therefore, obviously designed to flatten the demand curve to some extent. An electricity authority have to have available sufficient plant to meet peak demand together with sufficient reserves to cope with plant outages. This means at any one time an electricity authority must have far more plant capacity than is necessary to meet average demand.

I might illustrate the point by stating that in the year ended 31st March, 1970, the ESB had total plant capacity of 1,410 megawatts to meet a peak demand of 1,128 megawatts, while the average demand during that year was just under the equivalent of 600 megawatts. It is essential, therefore, that the ESB should do all in their power to increase valley hour usage while reducing peak hour usage. In recent years, there is definite evidence of progress in this regard by the board. In the year ended March, 1967, for example, peak usage was 5.21 times valley usage. This figure was reduced progressively each year in the next four years so that the peak in the year to March, 1971 was reduced to 3.78 times valley usage.

It is because of the need not alone to meet peak demand, but to have a reserve or security margin in addition and because it is not practicable to store electricity in large quantity that such very large capital investment is necessary in an electricity system. Ireland is not unique in having peaks and valleys in the daily demand curves for electricity and indeed neither are we unique in having to invest an ever growing proportion of our national resources in electricity generation. Electricity has, of course, become the most acceptable of all types of energy and the ever-growing demand for it is evidence of increased national prosperity and an index of our continuing industrial and commercial growth.

I think the capital expenditure figure I have given should bring home to Senators the extent of the growth of this our largest industrial unit and the extent to which this industry has grown and requires to grow in order to supply power to our growing industrial, agricultural, commercial and domestic needs. The necessity to approve of expenditure as high as £157 million by one semi-State body in the short period of four years poses very considerable problems for the Government and for the board. The sums of money now involved are such as to require the ESB to have recourse to foreign borrowing to an increasing extent. Common prudence apart, resort to borrowing from financial institutions abroad requires that the affairs of the ESB be managed as efficiently and as economically as possible. It is essential that the board be enabled to balance their accounts taking one year with another as any action to unduly depress prices or force the board into a position where they are not able to recover their costs could be disastrous not alone for the ESB themselves, but for the success of any development programme we may wish to undertake in coming years.

I am, of course, very concerned that the ESB continue to supply electricity at the cheapest possible cost and in the most efficient manner possible. I have already indicated that I am personally quite satisfied that the ESB are in the forefront of electricity authorities throughout the world in supplying cheap electricity, but to ensure that the affairs of the ESB continue to be conducted efficiently, I am as already announced arranging to have a special investigation made into the efficiency of the board's operations.

I commend the Bill to the Seanad.

This Bill commends itself to the Seanad. The Minister in the course of his introductory statement has given us a review of the history of electrification in this country and has outlined the plans for the last lap of this job. I think it only right to point out that, whereas the story of actual work on rural electrification began in 1946, the idea of rural electrification was there right from the very beginning. The original reports on the basis of which the Shannon Scheme was set up, and on the basis of which the ESB were established, envisaged at that time that there would be progressive development for an electrical network and supply system starting in the cities and towns and spreading out to the rural areas.

The work of the ESB, the completion of which we are asked to facilitate by passing this Bill, is a culmination of the whole history of the ESB. It will mark a very important point in that history. The ESB started with a system based only on the Ardnacrusha station. They then grew from that system to the multi-station system and that was an important stage in their development. The completion of the rural electrification scheme that can now be foreseen is another important stage on the road.

It is very heartening to hear from the Minister of the rate of increase of electricity consumption in the rural areas. The fact that the annual rate of increase appears to be of the order of 13 per cent against something of the order of 9 per cent is very heartening. This is not entirely due to the factor of television which the Minister mentioned in his speech. We can recognise it as being a reflection of an increased use of machinery around the farmyard and, as such, a reflection of the improvement of many of the techniques on the farm.

In describing what is to be done in this last lap, the Minister mentioned the strategy that will be adopted for economic reasons of moving into an area, mopping up that area and moving on. I have no doubt that the board will give adequate publicity to this aspect of the scheme. I would urge the Minister to act, on behalf of the Oireachtas and the public, as our watchdog in this respect to make sure that the ESB do not underestimate the amount of publicity which may be required.

We have a habit as people—it is one of our main faults—of awakening too late in many respects. We realise when it is too late that the opportunity was there to do something and we start bemoaning it when the time has passed. We could easily run into a situation, quite apart from the complaints of those who have not been connected and who live in areas that have not a high priority in the scheme which the Minister mentioned, where we may have an equal number of complaints from those whose areas have been completed and who, for some reason or other, failed to avail of the opportunity. As I understand it from what the Minister has said, those people will lose their opportunity and they will not be able to be picked up again. Maybe I misunderstood the Minister on this point.

If they do not come forward this time.

If they do not come now when their area is being done they do not get the benefits under the Bill?

That is right.

For this reason the publicity campaign must be greater than normal. It must be very clearly brought home to the people that this is the last opportunity to have this done on the basis to which they are accustomed. We need here something far more than adequate publicity and far more than the formal publicity of planning notices and so forth. We need a real campaign now. It may be that the great spirit and fervour of the early rural electrification days will now be necessary in the last phase. This was a great period in regard to the development of the ESB and of rural development in this country. The early days of the canvassing of areas and co-operation in the first rural electrification schemes was the greatest period in the history of the ESB.

The other point which the Bill brings up is the extension of the amount of general capital and the proposal by the Minister, in section 2 of the Bill, that there should be an amalgamation of the capital accounts for rural and non-rural purposes. The Minister said this should ensure that there would be a certain economy but there are some dangers here. We are going to pass this Bill not because the ESB can produce cheap electricity in rural areas at the rural outlets but because we wish, for social reasons, that the ESB should make available cheap electricity at the rural outlets just as in the urban centres. In other words, the money which we are proposing to give here in order to subsidise this work is given not merely as an investment in the production of electricity in an economic sense but as a real social contribution. I think it is important, and I have talked of this many times in this House, that when we have objectives which are mixed in the sense that they are partially economic and partially social, we should not lose sight of the relationship between the true economic costs and the amount of social subsidy which is involved.

I would be a little perturbed that an amalgamation of the board's accounts would make it impossible for legislators, members of the public or anybody interested to disentangle the social element in the moneys that are being provided for rural electrification. I understand that the amendment of section 2 of the Electricity Supply (Amendment) Act, 1954, which is the subject of this Bill, relates only to capital purposes. I should like to ask the Minister does this mean that in the annual report of the ESB we will now have an amalgamation of their revenue accounts which are now separate? We shall still continue to have separate revenue accounts, rural and non-rural?

The Minister's assurance on this point perhaps tends to remove a great deal of force from what I have been saying. However, this Bill is one that commends itself to the House and is one that will be welcomed. The Minister is right to say that the ESB have done a good job. Given our natural conditions and our natural resources, the ESB are producing electricity at a remarkably economic cost. We forget that when the charges are raised we feel only the immediate increase. Perhaps it may be true that the ESB have shown themselves somewhat uneven.

If in their public and industrial relations they could achieve the same success that they have in regard to their economic planning and their technical expertise, then we should have very little fault to find with them. Down through the years they have not shown the same level of achievement or expertise, even in regard to their own internal industrial relations or, on a number of occasions, the public relations aspect of their work. Nevertheless, their work on the whole is work that must commend itself to the House and, accordingly, we support this Bill.

I also welcome this Bill. In common with Senator Dooge and with every Member of the House, I welcome any effort to bring rural electrification to all parts of the country. Many parts of rural Ireland have been left too long without electrification, and they find that it is only by paying very high special charges that they can avail of electrification. For this reason this Bill is to be welcomed, because it means that all parts of the country will have electrification. However, I am rather disappointed with that portion of the Minister's introductory speech, in which he says:

In the new programme of bringing supply to those households not yet connected, it is not intended to make any change in the existing reduced rates of special service charges, which will continue to be calculated on the basis that has obtained since the Government arranged for a reduction in these charges in mid-1968. This reduction was designed to reduce particularly the highest special service charges and electricity is now available to rural dwellers at very very reasonable terms. While special service charges are necessary in some form or another in every electricity distribution tariff I can assure the House that those who are asked to pay these special charges are, in fact, paying very much less than the cost of the service they are getting.

I should like to question the Minister on the last sentence—that they are paying very much less than the service they are getting. They are paying very much more than, perhaps, the service being given to their next-door neighbours. This is one of the anomalies that I find in relation to rural electrification. Two neighbours of mine live in an area, and have built new houses, where rural electrification has been installed since 1953. In one case where the house is already connected to a temporary supply, the fixed charge based on floorspace is £1.50, which is reasonable, but the service charge is £2.59, making a total two-monthly rental of £4.09.

In another case, where it takes five poles to take the supply from the existing transformer to a person's house, the service charge is approximately £3 in addition to the fixed charge. This is an anomaly that should be overcome. There is very little encouragement there. People who are building houses under SDA schemes will have to be careful about where they purchase the site in relation to ESB connections because they may find that when they have purchased the site and built the house, they will be faced with a very heavy extra charge. This is causing a certain amount of disquiet.

I should be glad if the Minister would assure us that this trend will not continue. If an area has been wired for rural electrification, it is wrong that, if you build a house in a field where there is an existing ESB pole, you should be charged a sum of 50s every two months for a service charge.

With these reservations, I welcome the Bill, and I hope that the Minister will be able to use his considerable influence with the ESB to see that this blackmail—I cannot find a better word —ends. If you do not get your electricity supply from the ESB you do not get it at all, and you would not even qualify for the grant for bottled gas.

Fáiltím go mór roimh an mBille seo, go mór mhór os rud é go gcónaím faoin dtuath agus go bhfuil daoine i mo pharóiste féin i ngar do 10 míle ó chathair Chorcaígh agus níl an leictreachas acu fós. Is mó uair a thangthas féachaint arbh fhéidir cabhrú chun an leictreachas a fháil. Pé scéal é, is cosúil nach fada nó go mbeidh an chumhacht agus an solus agus an teas leictreachais le fáil ar fud na hÉireann uile.

I welcome this Bill for many many reasons. Indeed I and all other Senators are very very grateful to the Minister and his staff for this excellent and informative statement. It is very informative and, in the ESB context, most enlightening. However, it is also rather terrifying when we look at the colossal sums of money involved. I note that by the time we reached page 10 we were speaking in terms of £380 million and, by the time we reached page 11, we had gone on to £450 million. I did not look for any further figure after that.

The Senator must have stopped at page 13.

It goes to show the way the cost of these things is rising. With any commodity, especially commodities such as are provided by semi-State bodies like the ESB, if we want to get a service we must pay for it. It is not a question of saying: "Let there be light, and there would be light". It is not as simple as all that.

Senator Jack Fitzgerald dealt with many of the points that I had in mind. I suppose it was inevitable that he should: we come from similar areas. He spoke about what I consider to be an exhorbitant service charge which has caused great annoyance and suffering to people throughout the country. When I hear complaints about it I often think of the 1916 Proclamation which promised to cherish all the children of the nation equally. It is very hard to convince a rural dweller who must pay an exhorbitant sum for getting electric power that he is as cherished as his cousins in the towns and cities.

It is a pity that something cannot be done to abolish this service charge. If the Minister should bear this in mind there might be found, some time or other, some formula to ease the problem. It would remove a great anomaly and the sense of injustice that people are suffering from. Everybody knows that electricity is no longer considered a luxury but a necessity. The two great necessities as far as living is concerned are light and water. While we commend the great job the ESB are doing, especially as far as their engineering and service staffs are concerned, that annoying service charge still remains with us.

I am glad the admission was made in the Minister's speech that there is gross underestimation regarding the number of rural connections required. The Minister also stated:

The 1967 forecast of 350,000 rural connections proved in practice to be an underestimate.

It is a gross underestimate. It would seem that the fact that new houses are being built and that there is a great growth in the promotion of guest houses at reasonable rates for tourists was overlooked. Every care should be taken in future to see that there should not be any further underestimation by any State or semi-State body.

Somebody made the point regarding making an all out drive to make sure that no household will be left out this time in the new four-year plan which will end on 31st March, 1975. I am sure appeals will be made to all parochial organisations to do their best to ensure that people, through inadvertence, neglect or forgetfulness, will not be without a supply of electricity, because when this four-year plan ends I am sure it cannot be repeated.

I remember when rural electrification began in a big way and how we went from house to house canvassing. We did what I consider to have been very rewarding work: we tried to convince people of the advantages of taking the supply early. Many of those who refused to come in at that time came on bended knees afterwards asking if anything could be done to bring it in.

We have come a long way since that time. Every effort should be made through advertising and through encouragement as far as rural organisations are concerned to make sure that everybody will be included this time.

I was glad to find from the Minister's speech that a special investigation is being made into the efficiency of the board's operations. While I can commend the excellence of their engineering staff, I could, if I wished, enlighten the House and the Minister in regard to some extraordinary things that have happened and are happening as far as other sections of the ESB complex are concerned. I am sure that the investigation will bring some of these things to light.

It is a pity that carelessness and indifference on the part of some employees have given the ESB a bad image, an image which no-semi-State body should have. I hope that when the results of this investigation are made available there will be a general tightening up.

Somebody referred to industrial relations. That was a very sore point when as a result of an industrial dispute in the ESB, the farmer could not get his cows milked and there was no light in the house. I live in an intensive dairy farming area and at times I have heard protests and very strong language being used against the ESB and the members of the Government. Something will have to be done at some stage at get over this dreadful danger that is hanging over us like the sword of Damocles. Some system will have to be devised whereby people will be assured of their supply of power.

I should like the Minister when he is replying to speak more on the point of the nuclear power station which he referred to in the course of his speech:

As I have already stated elsewhere, no final decision has yet been taken to build a nuclear station. The ESB have, for some time, being training engineers in nuclear power and have got together a special project team to examine in detail all the technical, economic, social and financial problems connected with the installation and operation of a nuclear station.

We spent quite a long time discussing the Nuclear Energy Bill here and I think everybody agreed that it was a thing that would have to be done and the sooner it was done the better. I know a lot of investigation must be done beforehand but it is also apparent that the longer one delays in building such a station the costlier it will become. With the supplies of fuel and fossil fuel running out, it is a matter of urgency.

I should like to compliment the Minister for his great enthusiasm for first-class service in the ESB. He is deeply interested in their operation and is deeply committed to providing the best possible service for the people. I hope it can be said five years from now:

"Brian said let there be light and there was light".

I should like to join with Senators who have welcomed the introduction of this Bill and extend my congratulations to the Minister on its introduction. It would be a mistake to let this occasion pass without paying due tribute to the foresight and vision of Mr. Paddy McGilligan and Dr. McLoughlin in the early days of this State when they introduced the Shannon Scheme and prepared this country for development in electrification. Not only should we pay due tribute to these people in this House of the Oireachtas but we should remember the people who rendered such a great service to this country, by naming some of the electrical generating stations after one or other of these men.

We have, by reason of our history, developed the custom, with which I find no fault, of naming streets, avenues, military barracks etc. in memory of those who fought for the freedom of the country. I take no exception whatever to that. I join with all those who pay respect to the memory of those who rendered service to the country in the past. We should never forget people who have led us on with great strides in other phases of our life, whether they be great medical men, great authors, great industrialists or people like Mr. McGilligan or Dr. McLoughlin.

Without the development of rural electrification we would be in a sorry state. We regret the continuous flight from the land but we often do not think how much greater that flight would be if we did not have the advantages of rural electrification which bring to the rural dweller many of the amenities of urban life and without which rural life would be intolerable to the coming generations. I believe rural electrification has stemmed the flight from the land to some degree. It has also helped to increase production in rural areas. We have the intensive pig farms, chicken farms, broilers, etc. that could not exist without electricity. For that we are grateful to the Minister present in so far as he has helped and his predecessors down along the line who have helped to bring this about.

Hotels can now be built in the most scenic parts of our country far away from towns and cities and this could not have taken place without rural electrification. There are a number of small industries in areas, where, without electricity, it would be impossible to have them. We should still keep our sights on the development of our skills in all parts of the country and aim for the day when we can, as the Swiss do, produce goods demanding a lesser amount of raw material and more skill. With advance in education and with power available in new areas, we can look forward to further development. We can maintain the pattern of life which has been traditional.

I should like to congratulate the executive, engineers and staff in the ESB in so far as they have played their part in the electrification of the country. I will join with Senator Cranitch in saying that it causes a great deal of annoyance and frustration when the supply of electricity is suddenly terminated, whether it be as a result of industrial action or otherwise. I do not have to go into the pros and the cons of these various disputes that occur but I should like to say that too many of them have occurred. It will always be a source of regret to me that an organisation such as the ESB with so much goodwill behind it, has not down the years developed a better system of relations between management and workers. In the sphere of industrial relations they could have given the same headline to the rest of the country as they have done otherwise. I hope an improvement will be evident in the years to come in this connection.

Something which caused great resentment amongst rural populations down the years was the fact that the electrical current came so far and somebody living 100 yards up the road could not get it without a special service charge. There were probably economic reasons for this. I am sure every Senator here has from time to time made representations on behalf of people who were in that position. If you made representations to your district engineer or office you received a reply which was very convincing on economic grounds. It could not be done as it entailed this, that and the other—as Senator Dooge pointed out, there was a tendency to forget the social aspect of this development.

The Government have, down the years, given attention to the social aspect of transport, education and various other activities, but the point is that the social aspect of this problem was just written off. If it did not match up economically, it was dropped. I do not think sufficient thought was given to the annoyance, the frustration and the sense of being left to one side that this caused in rural areas. I am glad to see that we now have hope that within the next three to four years this will have been eliminated and people who did not have much hope of being connected will, in the near future, be connected and will have an opportunity of sharing in the amenities. They will be allowed to take that significant step forward to attaining the standard of living we wish to have for all our people.

We should never lose sight of the fact that the standard of living in this country is not to be measured by the standard that prevails in Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Galway or Waterford. It should be the average standard of comfort provided to the citizens all over the country whether he be in a remote rural area or in a city. I know it is easier to supply services to a large concentration of people, but anybody who thinks in terms of providing the optimum to Dublin and the minimum, or a shade less, to the people on the west coast of Ireland has got a wrong slant. We should endeavour to reach a high average for all our people rather than have the optimum in one part and neglect in other parts. In so far as that was done—I do not think it was done on a very wide scale—it was wrong.

I should like to support what was said here by Senator J. Fitzgerald in regard to the supply of current to houses being erected in parts of this country. Even in cases where the county council decided that two or three cottages should be built in a certain area to solve the housing problem, very often in the past they have been forced to change their minds because of the outlandish charges asked by the ESB to connect power to those houses. I hope that that will disappear in the future and that we will have more consultation between local authorities and ESB officials and that if a local authority, with its knowledge of local conditions, decides to site three or four cottages in a certain place the ESB will fall in and co-operate with them rather than frustrate them in their efforts.

The ESB has been a remarkably efficient organisation. Some of our engineers, I am quite sure, compare very favourably with the best electricians in the world today. I have always been at a loss to understand how the ESB can fall down so badly with regard to the question of sales. I know that if the ESB goes into competition with ordinary commercial firms in regard to selling heaters, fridges, etc., that creates a certain amount of resentment; but we are here to speak on behalf of the taxpayers who have built up the ESB and who subsidise it.

The point is this. A person goes in to buy a fridge, a washing machine or some such appliance. It is bought in some shop in the town for maybe £1 or £2 less or maybe perhaps as the same price as the ESB charges. The person buying that appliance is led to believe that it will be serviced by ESB technicians. If that machine were bought through the ESB, it would be serviced by ESB technicians; but the other merchant gives the impression that his customers will get the same service from the ESB. In that way, I believe that the ESB have fallen down on the sales end. That is a point on which I am well informed.

These are the two criticisms I have: failure with regard to the development of greater harmony in industrial relations, and failure as modern salesmen with the proper know-how and approach to the public. Apart from that, I am an admirer of what the ESB have done. I admire their efficiency, their know-how and skill and I join with those who complimented the Minister on introducing the Bill.

At the outset I said that I would like to see people who took the initiative in launching electricity in this country honoured in time to come. If the Minister makes an equally great contribution to the development of rural electrification and the extension of electrification generally, I would not have the slightest objection to seeing a "Stáisiún Lenihan" in the years ahead.

I welcome this Bill and regard it as a special effort to complete the programme of rural electrification throughout Ireland. Those of us who live in the rural areas know only too well what rural electrification has meant to many thousands of people. It is one important project which has done a great deal to encourage families to stay in rural Ireland. Urban living standards can now be had in the remotest of rural areas. That, in itself, has been made possible because of the foresight of the Government of the time in embarking on such a huge programme—that of rural electrification.

It has helped to increase farm income as well as farm output. When we complain of the high service charges we must bear in mind that electricity is a highly subsidised commodity, subsidised to the tune of £75 per house in the past. The present charges do not relate to real costs. At the same time, we must bear in mind that, had it not been subsidised, the scheme would not have been a success in rural Ireland because the rural dweller would not be in a position to pay the full economic cost of the installation.

One problem which is very noticeable is that there is need for a better breakdown repair service, especially at weekends. A breakdown in supply can be very costly to a farmer who is depending on it, especially at weekends. Apart from having to milk his cows by hand, he may lose a batch of bonhams, or his wife may lose a clutch of chickens or turkeys. We all must bear in mind that rural electrification is now part of our everyday lives. We depend on it for heating our boilers and so on, apart from the fact that in more recent years we have gone a long way in the installation of central heating and again it has meant further use for electricity.

One very disturbing problem at the present time is the fact that when people build new houses grants will not be paid to those people, either by the Government or the local authority, until the electricity is already connected. Grants have been held back for as long as 12 months because of the failure of the ESB to carry out the necessary installation. I feel that something will have to be done so that a stand-by gang will always be available to carry out speedy connection of supplies. It must be borne in mind that great hardships have been endured by people who have had homes built and who have spent a great deal of money on those homes only to find that they cannot avail of the grants until the ESB have carried out their work. I would appeal to the Minister to urge the ESB to exercise greater co-operation with the contractors or private individuals and the Department of Local Government in an effort to alleviate this serious and urgent problem.

The most controversial problem today is, of course, the special service charge for new connections. While we could argue the pros and cons of that particular item until the cows come home, we must bear in mind that it is, in fact, penalising somebody who may not have resided in the area when the area was being wired up in the first instance. We can see, of course, from the ESB's point of view, that when they come back to carry out extensions it proves very costly. At the same time it is very hard to get the message across to the man who purchases a farm in any particular area that he has to pay more than his next door neighbour just because he did not reside in that area or because the particular house or farmyard was not built when the area was being connected up in the first instance.

The ESB has become part of our lives. It has done a great deal for tourism. It has done a great deal in every facet of our day-to-day lives. Apart altogether from that, of course, is the fact that it is a great source of employment and will be for many more years to come.

The ESB now find it necessary to go back and carry out maintenance on equipment which they installed when the scheme was started in 1946 or 1947. That again is a very costly scheme with the replacement of poles, wires and crossbeams, etc. While people may from time to time have reason to complain, we must all agree that the ESB is now part of our system and we cannot do without it. We will always have little problems but I must compliment the Minister and his Department on making this extra sum of money available and I wish their efforts in finalising the problem of bringing electricity to every part of rural Ireland every success.

I, too, would like to briefly welcome this Bill. It is most appropriate because it will help the people who are in the more remote areas of rural Ireland, and perhaps people who were not convinced of the advantages of rural electrification when it was first introduced. I should hope, now that the Oireachtas are giving the ESB this considerable amount of money, that perhaps they would have an opportunity of taking another look at the special service charges and the bi-monthly charges also. This has been the bone of contention with me over a decade in the House and I feel it is time that the problem was tackled.

We now find, if I am interpreting the Minister's speech correctly, that the people who opted out of the original electrification scheme throughout the country, thereby making the installation dearer for the people who wanted to avail of the service, are now getting more favourable terms than those of us throughout the country who cooperated with the ESB 20 years ago. This is something that should be taken into account at this time. The special service charges already levied for the past ten or 15 years should now benefit from the moneys about to be spent or, if not, the Minister should include an additional few million pounds to cover this contingency.

I should like to support Senator Fitzgerald's plea on this but he did not develop it as far as I would wish. When Deputy Childers was Minister for Transport and Power I remember going into this and we had the very famous problem of the large Georgian mansions acquired by the Irish Land Commission. These were allocated to farmers with what was then considered to be a viable economic holding of 45 or 50 acres of land. In one place in my own county the bi-monthly charge was something in the region of £6. This of course was altogether uneconomic for a man who had acquired a holding. This is something which we could go into.

It is most inequitable and unjust to have an overhead charged on the floor area of a house when nowadays large houses are more of a hindrance than a help. Surely this is the last opportunity we will get of putting a ceiling of, say, £2 on the fixed charge? I know one case of a family who have what could be described as a Georgian dwelling with about eight or nine rooms in it, but yet they are only one farming family. This one farmer, with a family, pays more in overhead charges than the families living in 12 adjacent county council cottages. This is surely unjust and the ESB now have an onus on them to look at this again. The extra money being voted to the ESB should be devoted towards easing the burden on those paying overhead charges in excess of £2.50.

Great credit is due to people who pioneered the rural electrification Scheme—people such as Canon Hayes and his organisation. At that time, or prior to that, people in the country had not thought of these advantages or had not expected them to come their way. It would be a pity now if the people who were public spirited enough to go out and canvass their neighbours to avail of the rural electrification scheme should have to pay higher charges in 1971 than the people who sat on the fence and criticised the more public spirited members of the rural community who not only availed of the service but believed in staying in the rural areas and making country life more attractive for their families. This is the Minister's last opportunity of redressing this grievance.

I, too, should like to avail of this opportunity of paying a tribute to the ESB for their service. From my own experience the men who man the 24-hour breakdown service, who are perhaps near the bottom rung of the ladder in the ESB, do a tremendous job. Many ordinary members of the public like ourselves do not appreciate the difficulties and dangers under which these people work.

I should also like to compliment the professional section of the ESB, the engineering staff, on the work which they have carried out over the years. In the ESB's house magazine, I have noted over the years the tremendous inventions and innovations which our people in the ESB have perfected. New techniques in handling lines and the development of the school in Portlaoise should be a great help towards maintaining a very efficient service for the public.

I often wonder why the ESB do not pay a little more attention to public relations. Maybe it is because they do not feel too friendly towards the customers who forget to pay their bills on time. When customers forget to pay in time I see no reason why the ESB accounts section cannot just write out and say "Dear Customer" or "A Chara", perhaps would be a better word, instead of this peculiar phrase "Dear Sir or Madam" right under the name of the customer. I think this is wrong. This kind of thing is unnecessary and the Department are quite happy to use "A Chara". I find it annoying when I find a letter addressed to me with the first words "Dear Sir or Madam". They use this phrase on all their circulars. Maybe they want to be a little different from the rest.

With regard to development, I feel that the ESB are giving a very good service and the number of complaints that people make against the service are few and far between. I note that the ESB, because they are a large organisation, are particularly lucky and they can afford to pick and choose the personnel they have working for them. The young men who represent the company are a very good type.

As regards the advertising of this final phase of the rural electrification scheme I feel that the company could go a little easy on television, because obviously people with television sets will already be customers of the ESB. Therefore, I think it is important that the advertising on which the ESB embark to ask for customers should go through the provincial press especially.

This should be done on three or four consecutive weeks, because it can happen that a family will miss out on a paper one week, but it is unlikely that they will miss three or four weeks running.

The ESB should also endeavour to put service lines in new housing estates underground. In some schemes this practice is adopted and in others it is not. Whether the onus is on the builder, be it the local authority or a private developer, to pay extra for this I do not know. For safety reasons I think the ESB should at this stage insist that all new service lines for new houses should go underground.

With those few remarks I wish to welcome this Bill. I am very happy to see rural electrification being extended to the last remaining people in the country who are without supply and I sincerely hope that the board will have every success in the years ahead.

I should like to associate myself with Senator McDonald's remarks. I was a little bit annoyed when I saw him getting up, thinking he might steal my thunder, and he did.

I should like to speak briefly about the charges to the rural dwellers on a floor area basis. It is entirely unjust and it means that the ordinary consumer in a rural area is paying far more for his electricity than the people in the urban areas. About two years ago the ICA did an enormous amount of research into the problem and at a council meeting which was held in Limerick they had an ESB official in attendance. He was unable to refute the statements that were made, and at that time the file was sent to the Minister's office. The Minister should look into this matter and see what is happening. We want the people to stay in rural Ireland and yet we penalise them in every way possible, even charging them more than we do the urban dwellers for electricity.

In regard to the advertising which is now being done, I would suggest that when there is a district-by-district census being taken of the number of people not yet connected, the names and addresses of all these people should be available. Even if the ESB only sends out a letter saying "Dear Sir or Madam", it will be welcomed.

I am thankful to the Seanad for a very constructive debate. This is a measure which has been generally welcomed in both Dáil and Seanad because the intention is a very desirable one from the social point of view: to finally achieve total rural electrification, or as much as it is possible to get. The target is 98 per cent rural coverage by March, 1975.

Senators Dooge, McDonald, Mrs. Farrell and other Senators spoke about the necessity for having a thorough advertising campaign in connection with this final drive. I agree with this. As I said in my opening remarks, the ESB have divided the country into a total of 792 areas. In 520 of these the scheme has been completed. There are therefore 272 areas where rural electrification has not been completed. In these 272 areas, which are mainly in the more remote parts of the country, such as Cork, Kerry, Galway, Mayo and Wicklow, there will be a total house-by-house re-canvass done, so as to bring this message home to the consumers.

In the balance of the 520 areas that have been completed but where there are individual people who have not been connected for one reason or another, there will be an intensive advertising and publicity campaign carried out by the ESB in co-operation with local voluntary and rural organisations and with the churches, as well as the provincial press. This will be an intensive campaign to bring home to the people the fact that this is, as Senator Dooge said, their last chance to avail of the subsidised rates which obtain at present.

I want to emphasise that aspect of the subsidised rate for rural dwellers in particular, because of the remarks made by Senator McDonald and Senator Mrs. Farrell about the charges in rural areas. The charges in rural areas are substantially subsidised at present. The special service charge reduction that was introduced in June, 1968, meant a reduction of as much as two-thirds of the service charge which operated until 1968. The very success of that reduction in the special service charge in attracting new applicants for rural areas is proven by the fact that the target set in 1968 was missed—to the extent it was missed—because of the increased demand stimulated by the reduction in the special service charge in 1968. I mentioned in my opening remarks that the ESB underestimated substantially the number of rural houses to be connected. The reason for that underestimation was that, side by side with this plan of connection in 1968, came the reduction in the special service charge that stimulated far more rural applicants than anticipated by the ESB. Senator Fitzgerald also raised this point and what I have just said is relevant to the point mentioned by him.

I shall give a practical example concerning the special service charge which, in fact, never covers the ESB's extra costs. The example is of a house costing £1,000 to connect. In respect of this house, it would require £90 a year in fixed charges or £15 per two-month period to cover interest charges alone without taking into account depreciation and maintenance costs. The normal fixed charge includes a special service charge in such cases of only £6 5s, instead of the £90 a year for a house costing £1,000 to connect. I mention that to emphasise the fact that rural connection is a highly expensive business.

Could the Minister say how far the current had to be brought to that house? Has the Minister got that figure?

I am giving it just as an example.

How far would the current have to be brought? How many poles would be involved?

If the cost is £1,000, that is the test figure.

That is the test figure. It is the money involved. The distance is a variable factor and there is some misconception here.

Distance must be involved in cost, surely?

It is a popular misconception that because a pole is near a house being erected the cost of connection should be lower on that account. A connection to that pole may not be feasible in such a case. Some other type of connection may be involved. I want to emphasise this, because it is all-important for people, when planning a house and before they commence building it, to consult the ESB as to the most economic location. They should get expert advice from the ESB on the location of the house so as to get the connection at minimum cost. This makes for commonsense.

But they would have to get planning permission if the house is re-located.

That is being a little bit native. If a person has no choice of a site how can he consult the ESB on the most economic location of the house?

I grant the Senator that. We cannot plan for everything. I am only offering a helpful piece of advice. The ESB find that many problems on their side could be obviated in regard to cost by simple consultation with them prior to the construction of a house. I am offering this advice particularly to people who may have an alternative site. This applies in the country, particularly where a farmer is not tied down to any particular site. He would have an area of land from which to choose and it is advisable for him in such a case, before he commences construction of the new house, to consult the ESB and obtain proper advice. He should not go on the visual, amateur notion that because there is a pole there the house can be stuck down beside the pole and the connection made at low cost. It is not as easy as that. There are more complex, technical matters involved in connection with the appropriate system, the load that the system where the house is being built can bear, and a number of other matters that can be ironed out between the applicant and the ESB.

Senator Fitzgerald has, obviously, got special cases in mind. He mentioned this to me on a man-to-man basis recently. I would like particulars of these cases and I certainly will look into them.

Mention has been made by Senator McDonald and other speakers of the question of underground supply. I want to emphasise that the ESB have pioneered investigation and research into underground electricity distribution. A new type of underground residential distribution called URD which enables a 10KV supply with underground transformers to be brought to urban housing development at a reasonable cost has now been undertaken in a number of new housing estates. This is the first time the system has been developed in Europe. The special transformers used in the system have been supplied by Irish manufactures and it is a pioneering development.

The board have decided, as a matter of general policy, that all supply to new major housing developments will in future be placed underground. This decision has been influenced by the board's desire to contribute to environmental improvement and the implementation has been made possible by the development of new techniques in the provision of such supply. I want to emphasise that point because the ESB are often criticised by people who are concerned with preservation and conservation. This is a practical example of a large, technological corporation which is taking a practical interest in the environmental aspect. Because of this interest the board has developed this new type of underground distribution system which is unique not alone in Europe but in the world. Certainly this is the first time it has been attempted in Europe.

A point raised by several Senators, including Senator Cranitch and Senator O'Brien, was that industrial relations within the ESB were not as they should be. This has not been the case since the new restructuring of the ESB has taken place. Because of a very real desire to improve industrial relations within the ESB, I employed McKinsey and Company two years ago. They brought in their report around 15 months ago and in it recommended a complete restructuring of the management system in the ESB. This has been done and now we have a proper management structure at the top and delegation of responsibility right down through the organisation. This has resulted in a substantially improved effect on the morale within the ESB. We have had no serious industrial relations trouble within the board since this recommendation has been implemented. In an organisation with over 11,000 employees industrial relations are all-important. The new management structure has been generally welcomed within the board I understand that relations are much better and there is greater liaison and a more flexible attitude taken towards decision-making in regard to any potential industrial troubles.

What does the Minister mean by "a more flexible attitude towards decision making"?

What the management consultants found, in effect, was that the ESB was too rigidly——

I am not being facetious. Does the Minister mean that the authority is being pushed outward?

Exactly. The main findings of the consultants was that the ESB was too hierarchically structured. There was no dispersed system of management structure at the top running down through the organisation. Decision-making was not dispersed sufficiently through the organisation. Since their findings were made known to the ESB a complete restructuring of the ESB organisation has taken place with a view to enabling decisions to be taken right down along the line. The result is that much of the friction that existed and was causing unnecessary industrial troubles has been removed. That has been our experience over the past 15 months within the board.

Senator Keegan raised the point about the inadequacy of the breakdown service in rural areas. I shall certainly have this investigated. That is one of the reasons why, of the £18 million provided for this crash rural electrification programme in the next few years, £11 million will go towards the improvement of the existing distribution system, to improve the breakdown service and all aspects of the existing system.

Another point to which I should like to refer concerns the special service charge. Senator McDonald appears to be under the misconception that the people who have come into the reduced special service charge in mid-summer, 1968, are in some way at an advantage, as against people who, prior to that had to pay the heavier special service charge. That is not the case. The new reduced special service charge introduced in June, 1968, applied to all existing consumers, as well as to consumers since then. It was made retrospective to people who had been connected prior to 1968.

Will this new concession be granted to all?

No. The reduced special service charge that came into operation in mid-1968 will continue to apply.

Is the Minister not giving an additional one now?

No. In this Bill I am providing more finance to enable rural electrification to be completed within four years. That is one leg of the Bill. The other leg is to raise the capital limit from £350 million to £450 million to enable the capital investment sought by the ESB to be carried out over the next four years.

That is the nub of the Bill and it is an objective that needs to be achieved because of the backlog that was arising in regard to rural connections. We are proceeding on a year-to-year basis instead of on a planned basis. We now have a planned four-year basis of attack on this problem, with the capital moneys allocated every year for the next four years, so that the board can go ahead on a planned intensive basis, to complete this job, rather than be dependent on the year-in, year-out, vagaries of the Exchequer. The important aspect of Bill is that whereas last year we spent £3.1 million on rural electrification, this year, as a result of this Bill, we shall be spending £3.7 million; next year we shall spend £4.1 million; in the third year, £4.7 million; and in the fifth year, £5.5 million. These moneys are being allocated; we can plan accordingly and complete this great task which was commenced 25 years ago.

On the last point, is the capital expenditure of the Board increased as a result of the Minister's estimate of the rate of inflation, or will they be doing more work each year?

Much more work. Extra finance is being made available. It will be much more costly work because more difficult connections are to be made; the more outstanding ones are the most difficult ones.

Question put and agreed to.
Agreed to take remaining Stages today.
Bill put through Committee, reported without amendment, received for Final Consideration and passed.
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