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Seanad Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 9 Jul 1985

Vol. 108 No. 14

Adjournment Matter. - County Galway Group Water Scheme.

I thank the Minister for coming here this evening and I am sorry that I had to disturb him to bring such a matter as this, which is quite unusual, before the Seanad. This matter has caused great concern and great complications to the community involved with this group water scheme, the Anbally group water scheme in Cummer, County Galway. It is as simple as that and as straight as that. They made an application some time ago to form a group water scheme and they went through the necessary formalities in the normal way to do it and, after the first judgment on the scheme, it was suggested to them that their costs were so high that there should be a review and a reappraisal of the full scheme, which they did. They had quite a substantial saving. They did that by way of taking the source of supply, the distribution portion of the supply of the scheme, by way of waylays across people's land and they saved the State and themselves an enormous amount of money in so doing. At the same time, they also saved the Galway County Council quite an abnormal amount of money in regard to the restoration of roads etc. The scheme progressed and was completed last April. The new appraisal was submitted to Galway County Council and to the Department. Everything seemed to be absolutely perfect. The headworks cost of the scheme at that time was, and still is, £16,000.

That is more or less a general synopsis of the history of the scheme. Recently they received a letter from the Department telling them that the Department now refused to sanction the headworks grant of £16,000, the reason being that it would be far better for them to wait for the source, known as the mid-Galway regional group water supply scheme, to come on tap. That is three years away but, that apart, when one examines the cost of the headworks, £16,000, which is the grant-in-aid by the Department of the Environment to the scheme and when one values the cost of the connection of the Anbally group water scheme to the nearest point of the proposed mid-Galway regional scheme, the minimum mileage on that would be approximately five miles. A four-inch pipe or a three-inch pipe at the minimum would have to be taken from the Ballinacregg distribution source, which is an adjoining group water scheme, or it would have to be taken from the Bullaun group source which is the next adjoining point.

I cannot understand, and neither can the people of the Anbally scheme or, indeed, the people in Galway understand how the Department could estimate that there would be a saving — that is the phrase used — in waiting for the mid-Galway scheme when they would have to take their main supply five miles along a main arterial road, in one instance, and along a very busy county road on the other hand. The cost of taking that source from Ballinacregg or from Bullaun would, in my opinion, cost five times more than the £16,000 for an adequate supply which they already had.

I have contacted the engineering staff who deal with group water schemes in Galway and they said that there is no logic to it. I made several efforts to contact the local inspector from the Department to see if he could produce some logic to this decision. I could not locate him — I do not know for what reason. He may have been out. When he telephoned me back on one occasion, I was not at home but in any event I did hear rumours that he could not understand the logic of this either. The group scheme had been informed by some hierarchy in the Department in Dublin that this was the thesis by which they proposed to do the examination of the scheme.

There is no logic to it. There is no mathematical logic to it and I bring the matter up here this evening because I feel that the Minister will be kind enough in his examination of the report on this scheme to see that a reasonable solution is brought to it. The only reasonable solution is the original one, the £16,000 headworks grant-in-aid, be sanctioned so that we can start immediately on this scheme. If the Minister does that, I think he will eliminate the belief that there is either a shortage of cash in the Department to pay for the scheme, which seems to be the rumour most rife in the district, or that there has been a new policy — this is beginning to creep in around County Galway — of a "stop-go" policy in the Department concerning group water schemes.

I must say that in all honesty I have not seen either, but the decision to stop the headworks grant-in-aid of £16,000 to let this scheme get into operation raises a certain doubt in my mind. I was a bit shocked. The people have suffered a lot over the years in being in a part of the county which geographically is very dry. They have this horrendous situation of cannisters of all types and descriptions shooting up and down the main arterial road going into Galway. Those people are left in a terrible position for water. It is imperative that sanction for the original headworks is granted by the Minister because the people will be unable to continue the business in which they are involved, especially farming. There are farmers with large herds of cows awaiting the sanction of this scheme. There are businesses, bed and breakfast and different kinds of rural business in dire need and dire straits awaiting sanction for the scheme. As I said, there is no logic to not sanctioning it. I am raising the matter this evening because I want the Minister's comment on it.

I welcome the mid-Galway Group Water Scheme. The sanction for that regional scheme was welcomed by Galway County Council and, indeed, by the community who were dependent on it but it was a bit horrifying that a Minister of State in the Department of Agriculture who represents another part of the constituency of Galway saw fit to have letters sent three and four at a time from the staff of the Department of Agriculture notifying people that he had been responsible for the sanction of the mid-Galway Group Water Scheme. I do not know whether he was or was not, but it was absolutely unnecessary for him to circulate letters in areas he did not know. In fact, they were posted to houses which are not and never have been and never will be dependent on the mid-Galway Regional Group Water Scheme. It is a sad reflection these days on politics if people try to reach out at times to the public through these devious means not even knowing the facts as to who is or is not dependent on such matters. It certainly is not very nice for any Minister of State to do that in such a fashion. An apology is due by that Minister to the people of the community. On many occasions he insulted their intelligence. I say that as an aside. It is far better for a person making representations on such intricate matters, as I am doing here this evening about a smaller scheme, to speak in public about them. I believe that writing to the Department nowadays might not be the best thing to do. Hence the reason why I feel that in such matters where there is political interference of the nature I described it is far better for me to use the public platform of this House to highlight them for the Minister and his Department.

I am sure the Chair found it odd that such an item should be raised on the Adjournment. That is the reason. Our representations on such matters, particularly in regard to group water schemes should be made in a public manner like this. I have used the facilities of this house to do it. I desire the Minister to ask his Department to sanction the headworks on this scheme for the reasons I have clearly outlined, and which are undeniable. I look forward to the Minister's reply and I hope it will be of a satisfactory nature.

I listened to Senator Killilea's contribution to this debate with interest and will take his comments into account when deciding on the group's latest proposals. I would like to assure the House that I am aware of the problems being faced by the householders and the farmers in Anbally arising from the lack of an adequate water supply in the area. This scheme has been on the stocks for a long time particularly because of the death of a contractor originally selected to supply the scheme. A determined effort has been made by my Department to help in working out a scheme which will overcome the difficulties inherent in this group's proposals.

The group's proposals to take a water supply from the existing Corrandulla group water scheme must be viewed in the context of Galway County Council's proposals to provide a water supply throughout the entire mid-Galway region including Anbally from the excellent source at Dereen. A total of £1½ million has already been spent on bringing this water supply to two reservoirs about five miles from Anbally. I have recently approved proposals by Galway County Council and the mid-Galway group which will bring the supply within two miles of Anbally over the next couple of years. My Department are currently examining the position with regard to bringing the mid-Galway supply the remaining distance to Anbally when these mains have been laid.

The Anbally group have applied for a special contribution to make a scheme based on the supply from Corrandulla viable for group participants. Essentially this would involve the county council and my Department in paying capital money, towards headworks for this scheme which would be rendered obsolete when the mid-Galway supply becomes available to the group within a few years. There can be no justification for approving a special contribution in such circumstances. I had no alternative but to refuse the group's request as was done in May 1985. In doing so I asked that the possibility should be examined of finding an alternative source which would give the group a water supply acceptable as a temporary measure until the mid-Galway supply becomes available. I would also be prepared to approved a special contribution towards such a scheme, provided the headworks would in time form an integral part of the mid-Galway supply network. This possibility is still under examination in my Department and I hope to make a decision on the matter at a very early date.

In the meantime the group have submitted revised costings for the scheme, based on the laying of mains in the fields instead of along the public road. This would result in a considerable saving to the group. These costings are being examined in the Department as a matter of urgency but I can assure the House that I will approve grants for this amended scheme provided it is acceptable to the council and the group can meet the net cost of the work from their own resources including the special contribution to pay for county council requirements.

There are three points I should like to make about the group's revised proposals. First, they are dependent on the council's agreement to water mains being laid through fields instead of along roads. The council have not agreed to this in the past but if this change in the design makes the scheme financially viable for the group, I am prepared to take the matter up with the council in this case. The second point I must emphasise is that the group will now qualify for the increase in the grant maxima recently approved for new schemes. A group in County Galway can now receive State grants of £1,200 for every farmer in the scheme which takes both domestic and farm supply from the group. This is £200 more than if the scheme had commenced by the end of last month.

The final point about the revised proposals relates to the amount of the contribution which the group members are willing to pay to make the scheme a reality. The group have said that they are not prepared to pay more than £500 per house towards the scheme. Although the revised costings have not yet been fully examined, it would appear that the group will have to pay more than that if the scheme is to proceed. While a contribution in excess of £500 may appear high for an individual, it is not, in fact. Group members in other parts of the country, including some of the poorer agricultural lands, have been prepared to pay contributions as high as £800 in order to obtain a good, piped water supply. When one considers that the State has also agreed to increase its grant for every farmer in the scheme by £200 it is reasonable to expect that local group members, who are the direct beneficiaries of the scheme, should meet any remaining shortfall in financing the works.

I must reiterate that I cannot agree to pay capital moneys towards headworks which would become obsolete within a few years. I will endeavour to finalise quickly the examination of the group's revised costings for a scheme based on the Corrandulla group scheme and the possibility of an alternative supply being utilised by the group until they can obtain a long-term supply from mid-Galway. That is a reasonable and sensible approach.

Senator Killilea mentioned that there is talk in Galway that special contributions are not forthcoming. There is no basis for such talk. Special contributions amounting to £100,000 were approved for Galway schemes last year. This represents 8 per cent of the total of special contributions approved for all counties in 1984 and, in the current year, a special contribution of £400,000 has been approved to enable the nearby mid-Galway group scheme to proceed. This is the largest special contribution ever approved. These new figures illustrate that Galway has, at least, a large share of the total funds available for special contributions and I can assure the House that adequate funds will continue to be made available for capital works with long term benefits for groups in the overall water supply network.

Our approach is right. We are looking at new costings and new proposals. We will get this examination done as quickly as possible. I understand the problem. Obviously we are anxious to get water supply to people as quickly as possible, but we also have to take the longer term view with the mid-Galway scheme on which the council are committed to spend a lot of money with State aid. It seems sensible to us that we should proceed along those lines and I think in the long term we will be proved right. That is not disputing the case that we should try in the short term to do something for the people in this area and we will endeavour to do that as quickly and as expeditiously as possible.

The Seanad adjourned at 8.40 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Wednesday, 10 July 1985.

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